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Your thoughts on TyTN II vs Treo 800w vs Xperia

Hi. Just wanted some opinions here. I'm currently a TyTN II user. But I've seen the new Xperia and 800w Treo(rumored) specs, and they look promising. I use wifi alot, not much in the name of GPS, but heavy texting/emailing, not much of document editing while on my PDA (that's why I carry around my MacBook Pro ) and also, definitely, as an organizer(d'oh) Which phone do you think I should go with? Should I stick? Or change? To which? Please state your reasons why too.

I will keep my opinion reserved till something is known about the Tero screen if it is 320 X 320 or 240 X 240.
Right now I am waiting for my ipaq 614C to arrive to replace my TyTn II

The Xperia looks really nice with a great screen (no multipoint touchscreen yet though). Specs look great.
The treo looks like crap. I hate their keyboards. The screen hasn't changed, and it still only has a 1.3MP camera.
I'll definitely be taking a look at the Sony.

Let's assume for the sake of the poll that Treo is 320x320. What then?

Stick with the TyTN II until they are released, which still isn't for quite a while.

As soon as the Xperia is released, the kaiser will almost certainly have the graphics drivers ported to it which will make it even better than it is now.
Gimik said:
The Xperia looks really nice with a great screen (no multipoint touchscreen yet though). Specs look great.
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Multi touch is not supported by WM ATM, so no advantage in having hardware thats better than the software.

Stick with the TyTn II. When the others are available, let's see then. IMO the Treo is not a big advantage over the TyTn (by the way, it's 320x320). The Xperia looks really nice but won't be available for a long time, and then, we know nothing about the price and final features. When it IS available, will it still be the most interesting gadget, or will there be others? Why should you make your mind about that now, when we know nothing about the future?

Given that the biggest complaints about the TyTN II are things that no-one knew would be an issue until after it launched, it would seem to be very premature for anyone to be saying that they will be getting either of those devices. Surely what happened with the TyTN II makes this point all the more salient; I am guessing that there was a lot of hype for it, and now a large minority of users are desperately unhappy with it.
For the record, I am extremely happy with mine. The other 2 devices would have to be truly outstanding to persuade me to move on.

Hmmm... interesting... Xperia winning over TyTN II by a slight margin... but 800w no points... keep it coming guys!!

Sony Xperia X1 does not have the driver for MSM7200 too, but seem Sony may going to implement it when it is "necessary"
So, any advantages compare to TYTN 2?

Wow!! Treo800w has 0 votes... darn!!

I really liked what I seen until now about Xperia

daniel_rh said:
I really liked what I seen until now about Xperia
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what changed your mind?

i voted keep tytn but im also a strong suporter in the xperia i just said keep tytn cus for the stuff you say you use the xperia wont be any better then your kaiser

Nice Comparison Table: Touch Diamond, Pro, Cruise, TyTN II, X1, iPhone, iPhone3G

Hello my friends.
I wanted to do something for this community, but since I don't have any particular skills, I made this table.
It's very handy when comparing some of the newest phones.
Feel free to make suggestions. I worked a couple of hours on this and I am happy to improve it. There are things missing so feel free to share your knowledge.
The Excel 2007 file is attached to this post in the zip file.
I'd like to know if you find it useful or if you appreciate it.
Cheers!
Phones Currently in the table:
HTC Touch Pro
HTC Touch Diamond
HTC TyTN II
HTC Touch Cruise
Sony Xperia X1
Apple iPhone
Apple iPhone 3G

touch cruise and tytn II both has 128 RAM not 256,
regards

It wrongly represents HTC Touch Diamond and Pro as quadband phones...

ful babu said:
touch cruise and tytn II both has 128 RAM not 256,
regards
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FIXED! Thanks for your comment. I checked it on my TyTN II, and I can remember it from my HTC Touch Cruise.
joedoe said:
It wrongly represents HTC Touch Diamond and Pro as quadband phones...
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FIXED!
HTC's website states it is indeed Triple Band GSM and Dual Band UMTS.

Nice idea!
Thanks for this, and for stopping me having to trawl through countless web pages!

useful document, thank you.
I wish more was known about iphone3G.

This doc will be very helpful! Good work...

the iphone has a samsung 620MHz cpu, not a 400, it couldnt run the bloated animated crap with 400mhz

pr5owner said:
the iphone has a samsung 620MHz cpu, not a 400, it couldnt run the bloated animated crap with 400mhz
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400 MHz and there is no bloated crap.
I have tons of gadgets here, incl. several iPhones and several WM6 and WM6.1 devices.
None of the WM6/6.1 devices comes even close to iPhone GUI performance, not even Dutty's excellent ROMs.
So please keep the XYZ fanboy/anti-iPhone attitude to yourself, we're big boys here, playing around with all kind of toys, incl. iPhones and Symbian devices.

P996 said:
400 MHz and there is no bloated crap.
I have tons of gadgets here, incl. several iPhones and several WM6 and WM6.1 devices.
None of the WM6/6.1 devices comes even close to iPhone GUI performance, not even Dutty's excellent ROMs.
So please keep the XYZ fanboy/anti-iPhone attitude to yourself, we're big boys here, playing around with all kind of toys, incl. iPhones and Symbian devices.
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But, for what is behind the nice UI, software wise, it fails. Epically.
Anyway, this isn't an iPhone flame thread, so I'll stop there!

l3v5y said:
But, for what is behind the nice UI, software wise, it fails. Epically.
Anyway, this isn't an iPhone flame thread, so I'll stop there!
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Hey what I always say is if you want a PHONE, get an IPHONE. If you want a PDA, get something else. So far, the inability to multitask is what knocks a lot of people back from the iphone, apart from the inability (once again) to remove the battery. Arg... It's a nice UI! Beautiful, but it's not for me (for the moment).

zkyevolved said:
Hey what I always say is if you want a PHONE, get an IPHONE. If you want a PDA, get something else. So far, the inability to multitask is what knocks a lot of people back from the iphone, apart from the inability (once again) to remove the battery. Arg... It's a nice UI! Beautiful, but it's not for me (for the moment).
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Let the flames begin
The UI is nice, but it feels too limiting for me, and the marketing for it was just lies!

Nice work!
Would like to make a request to add in a Blackberry Bold and/or 88xx/83xx series device. I would think then you have hit all angles.
Cheers

whats an iPhone?

ayyu3m said:
whats an iPhone?
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*hits head* It's that thing Apple tried to market that does nothing but looks shiny... And now I'm going to cry...
Or not...

l3v5y said:
*hits head* It's that thing Apple tried to market that does nothing but looks shiny... And now I'm going to cry...
Or not...
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oooooooooooh that one!!! i thought it was some candy bar. keke!

P996 said:
400 MHz and there is no bloated crap.
I have tons of gadgets here, incl. several iPhones and several WM6 and WM6.1 devices.
None of the WM6/6.1 devices comes even close to iPhone GUI performance, not even Dutty's excellent ROMs.
So please keep the XYZ fanboy/anti-iPhone attitude to yourself, we're big boys here, playing around with all kind of toys, incl. iPhones and Symbian devices.
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It's got a 620 MHz...
http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/01/iphone-processor-found-620mhz-arm/

Yes it has a 620 Mhz processor, but it's scaled down to 400 Mhz to save battery life.

Curare said:
Yes it has a 620 Mhz processor, but it's scaled down to 400 Mhz to save battery life.
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Those are only minor details...
Do you know if that is permanent underclocking, or just occasional?

RobbinM said:
Hello my friends.
I wanted to do something for this community, but since I don't have any particular skills, I made this table.
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Oh, wow. That's a handy table. Thanks.

HTC 2009 Roadmap - all 25 pictures

Since PPCGEEKS is getting hammered, I grabbed all the pics from the roadmap to post here. Sorry if this has been posted already, couldn't find it when I looked.
Also sorry I was too lazy to individually post them.
-Mc

Wow, now that's what I call a leak... I can only hope for HTC that current generation sale won't suffer that much...
I was really considering getting Touch Pro, but the only thing holding me back was the performance of Qualcomm CPU. However, now that HTC announeced that they most likely will use other CPUs with next generation of phones, makes me really wonder if I should get Touch Pro or wait
What I really would like to have, is a Touch HD, with side QWERTY and performace of Asus 565 ) (HTC hope ur reading this topic!)
Well, but anyways, in terms of viual aspect - I think the new lineup is pretty nice (with few colourful exceptions...)

Great info mate, thnaks, now I can say that HD with kb will appear sometime this year!!!!

McHale said:
Since PPCGEEKS is getting hammered, I grabbed all the pics from the roadmap to post here. Sorry if this has been posted already, couldn't find it when I looked.
Also sorry I was too lazy to individually post them.
-Mc
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nice one

Its all down to if they perform as good as they look.....hopefully yes!!

25 devices in one year does sound a little too much to me.. I just hope they have the time and the will needed to support today's models.
In other words, I hope this doesn't stop them from developing a new ROM for the Touch HD when WM7 is out!

EXCITING!
If there was only specs... uggghhh. this'll hold me over for sure though.

Flickr Gallery Slideshow:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157612448219843/show/

fbifbi said:
Wow, now that's what I call a leak... I can only hope for HTC that current generation sale won't suffer that much...
I was really considering getting Touch Pro, but the only thing holding me back was the performance of Qualcomm CPU. However, now that HTC announeced that they most likely will use other CPUs with next generation of phones, makes me really wonder if I should get Touch Pro or wait
What I really would like to have, is a Touch HD, with side QWERTY and performace of Asus 565 ) (HTC hope ur reading this topic!)
Well, but anyways, in terms of viual aspect - I think the new lineup is pretty nice (with few colourful exceptions...)
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which other chipset? you mean other than qualcomm? the OMAP 34x0 of the palm pre?
which contender do you see?

stefn22 said:
which other chipset? you mean other than qualcomm? the OMAP 34x0 of the palm pre?
which contender do you see?
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Here's what I was referring to:
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090106PD224.html
and this is the website of the mobile platform:
http://www.ericsson.com/solutions/mobile_platforms/
I wonder how good it is really.
As much as I like HTC products, I think many people would welcome faster CPU. Personally, I would be more than happy if HTC decided to go for Xscale (made by Marvell) and left a 3d accelerator as well.
That's a nice 'lil thingie for instance: http://www.marvell.com/files/technologies/Marvell_PXA168_Product_Brief.pdf
I guess time will tell...

fbifbi said:
Here's what I was referring to:
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090106PD224.html
and this is the website of the mobile platform:
http://www.ericsson.com/solutions/mobile_platforms/
I wonder how good it is really.
As much as I like HTC products, I think many people would welcome faster CPU. Personally, I would be more than happy if HTC decided to go for Xscale (made by Marvell) and left a 3d accelerator as well.
That's a nice 'lil thingie for instance: http://www.marvell.com/files/technologies/Marvell_PXA168_Product_Brief.pdf
I guess time will tell...
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Ericsson? interesting
and what do you think of qualcomm snapdragon?
http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html
Surely Qualcomm must put some money in to keep HTC using them...
I am quite sure the snapdragon will be available in summer in the next HD or Diamond.
Anyway thanks for the information

stefn22 said:
Ericsson? interesting
and what do you think of qualcomm snapdragon?
http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html
Surely Qualcomm must put some money in to keep HTC using them...
I am quite sure the snapdragon will be available in summer in the next HD or Diamond.
Anyway thanks for the information
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Well, I'm pretty sure HTC won't completely move away from Qualcomm. It's really a well balanced solution for smartphones - a kind of all-in-one chip.
Snapdragon is pretty interesting too. I saw the specs while ago, the only thing that's missing there for me is hardware support for video decoding. It has 3D accellerator all right, but HTC has basically shown that it doesn't care much about utilizing its' speed for things other than the fancy GUI.
Of course, it won't bother people who don't watch any videos on their smartphones, but those who do that won't be happy. For instance I still have my Axim X50V, which can playback a 2CD DVDrip at 215Mhz, without any hickups. This unfortunately isn't possible on Diamond and the rest of the bunch.
Here's an interesting comparison test on Asus P565 and Diamond.
http://gadgetmix.com/index/?p=2420
and another one:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=1806
I read a topic here on XDADev about Touch Pro, and someone has contacted HTC for official statement about the 3D drivers. Their reply was (regarding Touch Pro at least) that it is a business device and they have no plans for developing a 3d driver...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429679
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=449391
I know many people were pretty disappointed when HTC announced the specs of TouchHD and it turned out it has the same CPU as the rest of 2008 lineup.
Problem is, that if u r a person who likes to play around and tune your device (like I think all people here on XDADev) there's no real alternative for HTC
Hopefully HTC will hear the calls of masses
PS. Check out youtube for Nvidia Tegra This is a killer CPU.

this just announced Marvell's PXA168 Capable of 1GHz+ would be awesome on a new PPC device!
http://www.marvell.com/products/cellular/marvell_pxa168_applications_processor_sheeva/release/1199/

Raphael vs Rhodium

Hi all,
maybe a stupid question but maybe not.
I usually use a Kaiser and a Blackstone and I'd like to buy a new device BUT I can't understand last choices from HTC...
Why Rhodium can be better than Raphael...? only for the bigger screen and tilt? For only these reasons I can't accept to have a so big device in my pants!!!
I compared datasheet but I can't find anything more... can you explain me the secret of this comparison?

Bisis said:
Hi all,
maybe a stupid question but maybe not.
I usually use a Kaiser and a Blackstone and I'd like to buy a new device BUT I can't understand last choices from HTC...
Why Rhodium can be better than Raphael...? only for the bigger screen and tilt? For only these reasons I can't accept to have a so big device in my pants!!!
I compared datasheet but I can't find anything more... can you explain me the secret of this comparison?
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Well
Design is much better on TP2, size screen, keyboard (As some mention)
Have a lookinto Rhodium section and see what others say about it
Just my opinion

OK. As you can already see from my signature, I am a raphael owner. The thing I like in new tp is the resolution. But thats all.. Its way too big and design is too japanese - like a soap. The "old" TP, Diamond and new Diamond2 has beautiful straight lines which makes it look sterling and maybe a bit more objective/traditional. Not so biopod-like (check the movie "eXistenZ"). The new TP2 has also a proximity sensor and a newer manila (which will be fully ported any moment now to other phones). The keyboard... I dont know. I have no problems with mine as I use it all the time to chat in MSN/skype. I removed these apps from my laptop. But as we already know the specs are VERY similar.
And of course - the new TP2 is much more expensive. Compared to the differences the new TP2 is just a marketing trick.
Like the previous poster I am also saying that this is my own opinion

darfri said:
And of course - the new TP2 is much more expensive.
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The strange thing is that unofficial news speak about a lower price than tpro. If so I'll be really confused.
I agree with your opinion... maybe diamond2 (compared to HD that I own) and pro2 are only made for marketing trick

darfri said:
OK. As you can already see from my signature, I am a raphael owner. The thing I like in new tp is the resolution. But thats all.. Its way too big and design is too japanese - like a soap. The "old" TP, Diamond and new Diamond2 has beautiful straight lines which makes it look sterling and maybe a bit more objective/traditional. Not so biopod-like (check the movie "eXistenZ"). The new TP2 has also a proximity sensor and a newer manila (which will be fully ported any moment now to other phones). The keyboard... I dont know. I have no problems with mine as I use it all the time to chat in MSN/skype. I removed these apps from my laptop. But as we already know the specs are VERY similar.
And of course - the new TP2 is much more expensive. Compared to the differences the new TP2 is just a marketing trick.
Like the previous poster I am also saying that this is my own opinion
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tp2's design is not finalized yet. So we'll see i guess.

Check out the Rhodium section for exciting info...a few have just bought the TP2: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=488

HTC Rhodium vs. HTC HD2

you may be thinking of course the HD2 is better because of its processor speed.
well do you really need a 1ghz processor because the rhodium apparently runs fine running the hd2 system. also the rhodium has a slide out keyboard. but i if you are thinking that i'm just taking the rhodium's side i'm not because there is some better things about the hd2 like the screen and the thinness etc.
Thanks

Well a lot of people form the rodhium go to the hd2. The 1 GHZ is really noticable with a touchpro 2 there is much more lag etc. Wich really downgrade the user expierce. On a rodium evrything run a lot slower. You need take care of the ram etc. In my opinion the 1 ghz it is not something extra it is really useful. For the rest the hd2 is more future proof. The populairity says enough why there are not so much tp2 users.

but it is a lot lot lot easier to type on the hard keyboard.

Zac.Santer said:
but it is a lot lot lot easier to type on the hard keyboard.
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That was exactly my concern (and it was a big one!), but I finally gave in and decided to try the HD2 for the 2-week period that Tmobile allows here in the states. I had extreme reservations about switching to the on-screen keyboard...but after getting comfortable with swype, I can say that I'm at about 80-90% of the texting speed I could achieve with the hardware qwerty, and the ease of one-handed typing and the loss of bulk MORE than make up for that little bit of difference, for me anyway.
The HD2 also affords you sooo much more "breathing room" with the increased memory and proc speed compared to the Rhodium...it really is great to not have to worry all the time about installing or running too many things at once like I had to on my TP2. I still keep it around for tweaking/testing/playing, but I can honestly say I've never once felt the need to go back to it, even when it comes to typing.
But, it's definitely an individual choice...among those of us who moved from the TP2 to HD2, a bunch are thrilled with the new hardware, but many also opted to ditch it and go back. So...try the HD2 for a little bit if you have the option, especially with swype, and see what you think

thanks thats changed my view

Zac.Santer said:
thanks thats changed my view
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I might also suggest browsing the HD2 (Leo) forums here too, just to get an idea of what different things users are experiencing etc

Hardware keyboard is more important than any faster processor, at leas on my personal opinion
My vote goes for Rhodium!!
See here please

orb3000 said:
Hardware keyboard is more important than any faster processor, at leas on my personal opinion
My vote goes for Rhodium!!
See here please
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You are a newswritter. You are typing the hole day

jan-willem3 said:
You are a newswritter. You are typing the hole day
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Yes "orb3000" is actually the name of a secret government project where normal lab rats and copy editors were surgically enhanced with bionic thumbs.

jan-willem3 said:
You are a newswritter. You are typing the hole day
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Really?
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Yes "orb3000" is actually the name of a secret government project where normal lab rats and copy editors were surgically enhanced with bionic thumbs.
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Right, actually I,m the most advanced prototype of humanoid with 4hands

I take the Rhodium anytime. I'd rather wait for the new Touch Pro.

I give my vote to the Rhodium.
When my Raphael brake down (a bath in Sprite) i was able to choice between HD2 and Rhodium, I was able to test HD2 which move allot more faster and it's cheaper (in my country) and the rhodium who has the almost "orgasmic" keyboard, my choice was Rhodium and I love this phone.

I have both devices.......
Both are excellent PDAs........
HD2's advantage: SPEED.....very little lag. Having owned several WM devices I never had a device faster
Rhodium's advantage: Keyboard. If you been using PDAs with keyboard, it will take some time to get used to the HD2
Overall I have to pick the HD2.......

HD2 for the capacitive screen. Resistive screens are lame. I thought resistive screens were pretty cool when they were the only ones I had (XPERIA X1), but as soon as I tried a capacitive there was no going back.
Personally for me I type (barely) faster on Swype than I could on the Rhodium's keyboard, so I'd never take it with that extra bulk. Did I mention the resistive screen?
Psst.. in the stickies the Leo did edge out the Rhodium for HTC device of 2009.

if you haven't voted yet think about the price the rhodium is so much cheaper about 100 pounds

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okkk.... i'm not sure how that fits in with the poll but there you go! if you want to unlock your rhodium or your hd2 he's the man

orb3000 said:
Hardware keyboard is more important than any faster processor, at leas on my personal opinion
My vote goes for Rhodium!!
See here please
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friend'scatdied said:
Psst.. in the stickies the Leo did edge out the Rhodium for HTC device of 2009.
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Really?

friend'scatdied said:
HD2 for the capacitive screen. Resistive screens are lame. I thought resistive screens were pretty cool when they were the only ones I had (XPERIA X1), but as soon as I tried a capacitive there was no going back.
Personally for me I type (barely) faster on Swype than I could on the Rhodium's keyboard, so I'd never take it with that extra bulk. Did I mention the resistive screen?
Psst.. in the stickies the Leo did edge out the Rhodium for HTC device of 2009.
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I had no idea HD2 has a capacitive screen! I guess I'm a little behind on that. My vote went to the Rhodium, mostly because of the keyboard and maybe some other little features.
I'm definitely considering trying out the HD2. Ithink I'll wait for more 1Ghz Snapdragon Phones to come out later on this year or early next year instead of switching to the HD2. I'm also hoping by that time the Android development for Rhodium will be at least close to fully operational.

In this day & age (21st century) you need to have 1Ghz Snapdragon or greater cpu!