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Q: What means CID(-unlock)?
A: Most providers add a Carrier ID to their devices. This CID is added to prevent a device being flashed with a ROM which is not from the provider.
To flash other ROM's, you have to unlock the CID. If you flash another ROM on a CID-locked device, the new ROM will not work properly.
As I have a non branded, non provider, just HTC phone how can it be impossible to update from one language to another without the 'hardspl' trick?
What is there to gain to make it so difficult to change language?
What is there to gain for HTC or Microsoft?
I can understand that a provider, like AT&T or Vodafone or whatever, lock their devices to keep their customers 'inhouse' but for all of us that have no provider/branded phone there is no issue to do this.
Anyone can explain this to me. (If anyone wants to explain )
Well, what if someone who bought the HTC branded device would flash the AT&T shipping ROM?
First of all, the AT&T Radio ROM does not work on HTC devices (except the latest). And... you'd need a HTC keyboard fix. But the most important reason is, that the CID prevents you from flashing a ROM, which is not designed for your device.
This would brick lots of phones in worst case and in best case HTC would need a several 100% more money and people for support just for telling the people, that they flashed a ROM which is not supported by HTC.
So this means that in my case, having a HTC branded device I can without any problems update this to an english version when I get my hands on a HTC owned version of the rom.
Yes, I do understand your point but still I see no harm in upgrading languages. And afaik this is just something HTC and MS agreed upon.
Thanks for your reply.
Well, unfortunately i cannot say you why HTC does not want that. I am sure, they have a more or less good reason, but which...???
Just keep is as it is ;-)
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I consider buying this phone. But I don't want to before it's rooted. Thought we could discuss it here. Or is it delivered open?
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I consider buying this phone. But I don't want to before it's rooted. Thought we could discuss it here. Or is it delivered open?
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Yesterday I was searching for the direct quote from Paul (modaco) regarding this; at least I think it was him who said this...
Basically, unless I made this up in my head, he (if it were him) stated that the oem unlock functionality built into the bootloader has been removed.
Of course this is all speculative until I can find that damn quote
I strongly doubt that this has the same oem unlock features as the Nexus. The OEM unlock is most likely only requested by Google, and I do not think that HTC will do the same thing. It would be awesome, no doubt about it, but hey, lets be realistic.
I guess we'll just have to wait until the device gets sent out to review.
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I strongly doubt that this has the same oem unlock features as the Nexus. The OEM unlock is most likely only requested by Google, and I do not think that HTC will do the same thing. It would be awesome, no doubt about it, but hey, lets be realistic.
I guess we'll just have to wait until the device gets sent out to review.
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Guess you're right. Hope there will be some kind of exploit we can use. Or a leaked RUU with eng SPL or anything.
Do we know who is going to root / make a custom rom for it?
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Do we know who is going to root / make a custom rom for it?
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I think (and hope) someone will manage to root it, unless it's delivered open. But at the moment we don't know.
Altoguh, I've heard that it's using the same radio and hboot as Nexus One. Therefore, they should be able to use the same ROMs.
hey it's almost 100% that it will be rooted! is there anything in the world of computers that is not hacked ??? if it's not like the same day of it's release like the nexus (which was even before its release) it will be rooted in some days!!!
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hey it's almost 100% that it will be rooted! is there anything in the world of computers that is not hacked ??? if it's not like the same day of it's release like the nexus (which was even before its release) it will be rooted in some days!!!
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I just hope that it's not that every good developer have bought Nexus One, and therefore doesn't bother trying to root the Desire.
i don't think so, as every enthusiast will try to have this phone. Also i see many "hackers" being involved in more than two or even three mobile phones very often in this forum so we hold our chance
This should prove to be interesting to watch unfold...
random thoughts...
-The usual suspects seem to be fully wrapped up in Nexus development. Hard not to be with such a fun device What does this mean for the desire? Not sure.
-oem unlock appears to not be present in the desire's rom. if the desire is built on the same everything else (with sense on top) as the nexus, which has not bee rooted any other way beyond oem unlock, I'm not sure how someone will circumvent the lockdown. Perhaps without oem unlock, people will be forced to get creative? *shrug*
-The desire's rom works on the nexus; to me this says one thing...there is little->no reason for anyone with an n1 to look into a desire as long as desire images keep leaking.
All random thoughts but it would seem that possibly the desire may wind up being a consumer product rather than a hobbyist product...only time will tell though
I hope it will be more then a consumer product. The reaseon I'm buying the desire is that it will be released in belgium the nexus one isn't.
Yeah, I'm intrigued about this too- ordered an HTC Desire earlier today for delivery beginning of April, but no idea if i'll be able to root it and stick a Nexus rom on it!
Will be keeping an eye on these threads, just about to pre-order the Desire.
Hi guys
preordered one too, coming from a Touch HD. Til now on the online shop I ordered its stated to arrive at the end of march. Hope they can hold this date. Cant wait to see this device beeing rooted
Ascenca
hmm, I really want a snapdragon+ phone with sense on t-mobile usa. or even just a snapdragon one that is for consumers.
It needs time, I think. Because it´s not to buy, I mean before the HTC Hero came out, do we know it has root? NO When it´s out it needs a little time, and we have root believe me.
sorry for my bad english
I have a few questions, i want to buy a htc desire but i come from winmo world so i don't understand everything...
If the phone doesn't get rooted...
-will it be still possible to install .apk directly on the phone ?
-will it be still possible to upgrade 'operators' roms to official or cooked roms ?
tibey said:
I have a few questions, i want to buy a htc desire but i come from winmo world so i don't understand everything...
If the phone doesn't get rooted...
-will it be still possible to install .apk directly on the phone ?
-will it be still possible to upgrade 'operators' roms to official or cooked roms ?
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-yes.
-no.
Nexus
I've got the Nexus One, and just wanted to point out a few things (from my perspective)
The Nexus one runs Desire / Sense - BUT flash in the camera is bad, and so is bluetooth. (I used to have a HTC Magic, running HTC Hero / Sense on it, never really worked as good as my friends Hero, so history repeats itself - even with my friend selling his Hero to buy a Desire
So there are a difference in the hardware
the Nexus was rooted very fast, but this is because Google intended the phone to be rooted, this is Google behavior, and clearly not HTC behavior.
I don't see why a developer finding a root method in the Nexus without using the google "practices" to root, would publish their findings for the Nexus, so there might be a couple of ways to root the Desire right when it comes out.
thats just my 2 cents. (For what they were worth)
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-no.
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But if the desire is rooted will it be possible for the custom/official roms ? are there custom "hardspl" who can be built like in windows mobile ? What are the requirements ?
(It scare the **** out of me to be stuck with an operator rom as you can see xD)
So I recently purchased an HTC Sensation online from Welectronics. So after getting the phone and trying to set it up, I noticed that it does not come with US English or even UK English in the Locale, it comes with English from Asian countries such as Vietnam, Malaysia etc.
I can live with it, as long as it's still English, but I would prefer to use US English or even Canadian English if possible. Is there any market apps I can use to get other locales installed onto my phone?
Furthermore, because I am in Canada and am using Wind Mobile, the notification bar does not display my "Wind Home", it only displays the operator network code. Again, any way I can change that?
Despite all this, I do hope HTC releases the S-Off ASAP so I can flash other roms onto it! Cheers
Bump. Same here, purchased from expansys.
Try this app:
https://market.android.com/details?id=jp.co.c_lis.ccl.morelocale&feature=search_result
haven't tried it on the Sensation, but it worked on my Desire HD.
Yup, tried that app and it's alright, at least I have standard English language now
hey mixmaven, did you purchase from expansys-usa. i haven't gotten it yet but want to know because i ordered one from them and they told me it was a US version with no bloatware, so i assume it would have US english on it.
hey chris, yes to expansys usa - and the more I used the phone the more I found that everything appeared to be correct, it just didn't have the English US option when I booted which was annoying. Selecting another english language triggers a few strange input screens. I see no major bloatware, looks like a clean version of sense. Has sound hound and a few other common apps.
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hey mixmaven, did you purchase from expansys-usa. i haven't gotten it yet but want to know because i ordered one from them and they told me it was a US version with no bloatware, so i assume it would have US english on it.
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mixmaven did you try the app that kuba1410 say to use and did it work. also how are you liking the phone. thanks for the reply.
not yet, I wanted to pull down a sense 3.0 rom and pull out the en us file. Haven't had time. I wonder if the dictonary contains more words if you are using the correct language.
Differentiation, assuming it work perfectly on your sensation did it change everything to US english without problems?
Anyone willing to provide a system dump off a US edition phone with no bloatware?
Locale2 did not fix the keyboard settings screen (Thai Keyboard is shown) and Vietnameses IME. However the keyboards are in english and work correctly so far.
Not sure where the files are saved in a US rom. I was hoping I could push them to the rom and then run setup again. S=On is killing me.
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Differentiation, assuming it work perfectly on your sensation did it change everything to US english without problems?
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Differentiation, assuming it work perfectly on your sensation did it change everything to US english without problems?
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I just chose Canadian English, so far it seems to be alright, haven't really had too much problems.
Is there anything you would specifically want me to look at?
Differentiation just want to know that when i get mine that i can set things to US english using the app and work fine. is there any areas that are not working like google maps, weather..etc. thanks for the info.
thanks mixmaven for trying the app. Differentiation said he used canadian engliah and seems to work with little problem. dont know if you seen his post. you may want to try it and see what happens.
There is a thread in the development forum for the sensation that includes links to the official RUU roms for various regions of the world. I'm wondering if you would be able to flash one of these official roms to your phones. I think you should be able to flash a rom for an unbranded phone since I'm assuming your phones are unbranded. You might want to try it.
I don't have Canadian English only Singapore, Vietnam, Malaysia, and Philippines.
Time to look at the other ROM's
-jm
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There is a thread in the development forum for the sensation that includes links to the official RUU roms for various regions of the world. I'm wondering if you would be able to flash one of these official roms to your phones. I think you should be able to flash a rom for an unbranded phone since I'm assuming your phones are unbranded. You might want to try it.
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Yes my phone is unbranded.
As soon as S-Off becomes official, I think I will flash a North American rom onto my phone.
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Yes my phone is unbranded.
As soon as S-Off becomes official, I think I will flash a North American rom onto my phone.
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I don't know if the radios are compatible. North American Sensations are the T-mobile branded one, with 1700,2100,1900MHz 3G bands, and the one that went thru the FCC with 850/1900MHz bands for an unknown carrier. As far as the Vodafone/unbranded European/Asian phones, their 3G frequencies are listed as 900/AWS/2100MHz. I would make sure it won't brick your phone before trying to flash a "North American" rom onto your Sensation.
In the mean time, you might try one of the unbranded European roms and chose UK English.
Oh you are right! I have the 3G version, not the 4G.
I tried 3 different HTC Roms, all 3 ended with the 131 error of invalid ID.
Hi,
Convinced my wife to also get a Desire S and we are picking one up from Orange UK later today.
She will need root so that we can install an app to get the phone to connect to our car phone kit. I'm assuming that the phone will come with Android 2.3.3 and the associated HBOOT.
I'm guessing the options are to diable the OTA updates, S-Off with Alpharevx and use gingerbreak for root. I'm assuming the advantage is that this can all be reversed if there is a layer problem with the phone. The downside will be that we won't be able to update the phone until Alpharevx, etc, catches up with new phone software releases.
The alternative is to S-off via XTC-Clip (there is one nearby) which will ne permanent and allow pre-rooted updated RUU's to be more regularly installed.
Does anyone have any views on the best way forward.
As an aside, I'm guessing that installing an unbranded ROM does not affect any functionality of the phone on the Orange UK mobile network.
Many thanks,
Damian
Hello,
Assuming that you get a hboot version that can be s-off'd then I'd use revolutionary and follow the method that you described.
You're right about disabling ota updates do that immediately as if applied then they can seriously limit your options.
There is something called uma (I think that's right name?) which I believe enables you to use your wifi to make calls when mobile signal is weak, I believe that this can be used on orange but I don't know if your devices would come with it. If you're from UK you can now piggy back Tmobile so you have more chance of a decent signal.
If you get a later version of hboot, that can't be s-off'd then you still have several options open to you:
you could attempt to use the official htc unlock htcdev.com unlock routine, even though this devices still isn't listed as supported I've read that some users have successfully used this method to unlock their devices successfully. Although I can't provide any links so you'll have to either read around or post a further question in an attempt to get some info on how to do this method.
You could alternatively drop the revolutionary boys a line and ask them is they plan to update their software to later versions off this devices hboot To see If any etas are forthcoming , although developers tend not to like eta requests
Another option before considering xtc would simply be to wait HTC to add support for this device, it's supposed to be coming, but so is xmas, although you won't be unhappy with the device running stock, although I run a rooted custom and love it, my wife is still running stock as it's her first Android device and she's still loving it!
Although then there's always the xtc route and as an original xtc user I can recommend this route although as you're aware it's not reversible and you must consider the effect it well have on your warranty
Good luck with your choice, psst back any questions
Swyped from my Desire S using XDA Premium
Thanks for the reply.
Picked the phone up on Saturday and it is Hboot 0.98.0002 and Radio 3805.06.02.03_M.
My wife seems happy with things, apart from the mobile data/signal does not seem as robust as with her old Nokia. I've told her that a radio update may improve this as it did with mine when I recently updated it.
Think will go down the Revolutionary route. I need to check but assume that you can just flash a new radio with the Revolutionary Hboot. I think for now she will be happy with 2.3.3 and we will see how things pan out with updates in the next few months.
Thanks again,
Damian
I've been doing a lot of searching/browsing around these forums on-and-off the past few months (since the phone came out) because I'm keenly interested in it.
There seems to be a lot of confusing/contradictory/missing information, so I'm hoping someone can help me out, answer a few quick questions, not just idly lambaste me for not magically knowing these things, and ultimately help me settle on a phone.
I have an HTC HD2, have had it for 2.5 years, it's a great device, but it's showing its age and (more importantly) it has diminutive internal storage.
I'm switching from Telus to Rogers on August 8th, so I have the opportunity to subsidize this phone with Rogers (only reason I'm considering this is because apparently Rogers allows you to buy out your contract any time for just the price of your remaining phone subsidy, at least, that's what the rep I talked to at a Rogers store told me).
So:
Is the phone SIM locked/can it be SIM unlocked at this time? (This is important to me, I travel and always get a plan local to the country I'm in.)
What's all this business/brouhaha about "S-OFF", what does it mean (exactly, I don't seem to be able to find specifics or comprehensive information anywhere) et cetera?
What's the state of custom ROM development/accessibility, specifically for the Rogers version versus the other versions (including the international version).
Basically I'm just tired of groping around the forums finding half answers or information that leads to assumptions, so if anyone who knows can condense this information, or link me to a thread I've missed where any/all of these questions are answered, I'd be much appreciative.
Thanks!
1) Yes you can unlock the phone. You can do it on.eBay for 3.99$ . Currently we do not have free méthod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1704321
2) s-off is byp*** the security of the device . (Correct me if anyone with more knowledge) to make more changes to device But I think since we already have bootloader unlocked and root exploit this is not Going make any significant impact
Since now we have keneral we will soon be seeing s-off or we will have awesome custom
3) compared to intl versión we have less custom roms But what we have are awesome and really nice. Its better having few really good ones. When compared to quailty of custom roms we are not behind compared to any device
Sorry for my bad english
If you tired grouping information then use search option , you can easily find info u need
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1) Yes you can unlock the phone. You can do it on.eBay for 3.99$ . Currently we do not have free méthod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1704321
2) s-off is byp*** the security of the device . (Correct me if anyone with more knowledge) to make more changes to device But I think since we already have bootloader unlocked and root exploit this is not Going make any significant impact
Since now we have keneral we will soon be seeing s-off or we will have awesome custom
3) compared to intl versión we have less custom roms But what we have are awesome and really nice. Its better having few really good ones. When compared to quailty of custom roms we are not behind with than any device
Sorry for my bad english
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Thanks a lot for this -- despite the "bad english" it made perfect sense to me!
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It's not about that, it's about the fact that when I find information -- by browsing, searching, et cetera -- it usually tends to be vague and builds on top of other information that I don't have, so it turns into this weird depth-first recursion of the whole forum.
It's easier to create a thread, get nice, straight, to-the-point answers from nice people like yourself (thanks again) so that I can proceed with confidence.
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Thanks a lot for this -- despite the "bad english" it made perfect sense to me!
It's not about that, it's about the fact that when I find information -- by browsing, searching, et cetera -- it usually tends to be vague and builds on top of other information that I don't have, so it turns into this weird depth-first recursion of the whole forum.
It's easier to create a thread, get nice, straight, to-the-point answers from nice people like yourself (thanks again) so that I can proceed with confidence.
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No problem. :thumbup:
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abhipati said:
2) s-off is byp*** the security of the device . (Correct me if anyone with more knowledge) to make more changes to device But I think since we already have bootloader unlocked and root exploit this is not Going make any significant impact
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S-Off is short for "security off". On past HTC devices, S-Off was the key to being able to flash custom ROMs, recovery, radios, kernels and permanently root the device. Now that HTC is offering the bootloader unlock via HTCDev.com, we don't really need S-Off for most things. The bootloader unlock allows flashing of custom recovery and ROMs by default, then the devs figured out now to flash boot images and radios through recovery also. So as abhipati mentioned, S-Off is not needed for many things, including installing custom ROMs.
What some are hoping S-Off may allow is SIM unlock, further radio hacks (to enable the AWS frequency compatibility) and the ability to change the bootloader unlock flag from "RELOCKED" back to "LOCKED", among possibly other things.
Dear all,
Some questions around HTC CIDs driving me mad, because I couldn't find any clear statement so far. Or when I found some, they don’t match my own experience with my HTC phones…
I started to get interested in the HTC CIDs because I bought on ebay from Hong Kong an HTC One M8 and I couldn't update it. The standard HTC software / system update (in the setting -> about section) cries the following error: "we have determined that your phone may be running a modified version of its system software..." As far as I could understand thanks to my researches, my phone is branded, therefore, until the concerned carrier releases updates for my phone, I won't be able to get them.
But it is strange anyway, because I didn't ANY system update so far... whereas the HTC One M8 is now few years old… Moreover, a question comes to my mind: how to get patches directly from HTC? According to my researches, even the HTC super CID doesn’t help, but on the contrary blocks OTAs… so far this question remains unanswered for me. I didn’t find clear statement about that.
But here comes the weirdest stuff. I have also an HTC One M7 bought from the same ebay seller in Hong Kong. Out of the box, the phone had already the HTC super CID. The box was normally sealed, so it seemed to come directly from the factory. Also myself, I never tried to change it or even to unlock the bootloader or flash a new ROM, etc. Nothing, nada, niente, zilch, rien.
But I got system updates! The phone was originally shipped with Jelly Bean, I updated it to Lollipop through the HTC system updates, and got also other systems update patches, no issue at any point.
So here’s my question: What the hell??? How to get HTC update patches directly from HTC without waiting for carriers and does the HTC super CID really blocks them? I really don’t understand how to simply get a not branded phone receiving system update patches with no delay. And mainly, I don’t know if I should return the M8 to the ebay shop in Hong Kong, or if I should try to play with the CID and flash it with the HTC stock ROM to get it like an original HTC. If someone knows…
Cheers
Think I got some answers from another source.
Shall I detail ? Anybody cares ?