Hi,
Convinced my wife to also get a Desire S and we are picking one up from Orange UK later today.
She will need root so that we can install an app to get the phone to connect to our car phone kit. I'm assuming that the phone will come with Android 2.3.3 and the associated HBOOT.
I'm guessing the options are to diable the OTA updates, S-Off with Alpharevx and use gingerbreak for root. I'm assuming the advantage is that this can all be reversed if there is a layer problem with the phone. The downside will be that we won't be able to update the phone until Alpharevx, etc, catches up with new phone software releases.
The alternative is to S-off via XTC-Clip (there is one nearby) which will ne permanent and allow pre-rooted updated RUU's to be more regularly installed.
Does anyone have any views on the best way forward.
As an aside, I'm guessing that installing an unbranded ROM does not affect any functionality of the phone on the Orange UK mobile network.
Many thanks,
Damian
Hello,
Assuming that you get a hboot version that can be s-off'd then I'd use revolutionary and follow the method that you described.
You're right about disabling ota updates do that immediately as if applied then they can seriously limit your options.
There is something called uma (I think that's right name?) which I believe enables you to use your wifi to make calls when mobile signal is weak, I believe that this can be used on orange but I don't know if your devices would come with it. If you're from UK you can now piggy back Tmobile so you have more chance of a decent signal.
If you get a later version of hboot, that can't be s-off'd then you still have several options open to you:
you could attempt to use the official htc unlock htcdev.com unlock routine, even though this devices still isn't listed as supported I've read that some users have successfully used this method to unlock their devices successfully. Although I can't provide any links so you'll have to either read around or post a further question in an attempt to get some info on how to do this method.
You could alternatively drop the revolutionary boys a line and ask them is they plan to update their software to later versions off this devices hboot To see If any etas are forthcoming , although developers tend not to like eta requests
Another option before considering xtc would simply be to wait HTC to add support for this device, it's supposed to be coming, but so is xmas, although you won't be unhappy with the device running stock, although I run a rooted custom and love it, my wife is still running stock as it's her first Android device and she's still loving it!
Although then there's always the xtc route and as an original xtc user I can recommend this route although as you're aware it's not reversible and you must consider the effect it well have on your warranty
Good luck with your choice, psst back any questions
Swyped from my Desire S using XDA Premium
Thanks for the reply.
Picked the phone up on Saturday and it is Hboot 0.98.0002 and Radio 3805.06.02.03_M.
My wife seems happy with things, apart from the mobile data/signal does not seem as robust as with her old Nokia. I've told her that a radio update may improve this as it did with mine when I recently updated it.
Think will go down the Revolutionary route. I need to check but assume that you can just flash a new radio with the Revolutionary Hboot. I think for now she will be happy with 2.3.3 and we will see how things pan out with updates in the next few months.
Thanks again,
Damian
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I just wondering as still haven't!
I never got 1.47, I'm still on 1.28. I'm not sure why.
My DS is an unbranded unlocked UK model.
We are certainly not the only people not to get 1.47.
At first I was glad that I did not get 1.47, but now I notice that (so far) only people with 1.47 seem to be getting the recent upgrade.
Least am not the only one! HTC support seems to think I would need to send my phone away for repair to have it updated!
podycust said:
Least am not the only one! HTC support seems to think I would need to send my phone away for repair to have it updated!
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Seriously. All HTC seem to say is any update news will appear first on Twitter or Facebook, yet when anyone has questioned them on there they deny any knowledge of the update even with proof
The only thing they use social networking for is product spamming and corporate shindig promoting!!
Got a small update months ago which installed an updater, but never got 1.47. Still on 1.28. Unbranded, unrooted.
Interested to learn what HTC told you about returning it...
Yes I got those same updates months ago too! This is what they said after first saying 1.28 was the latest and then me saying I know about some with 1.47
Thank you for your reply regarding your Desire S.
The case there is an update available and you cannot receive it through 'OTA', the device may need to be sent for repair. then your device gets updated to the latest version.
Please confirm the following information in order to be able to book the device for repair:
From which address you wish the collection to happen
On which day you wish the collection to happen (please allow 48 hours’ notice)
The Serial Number of your device. (Serial Number can be found underneath the battery.) I will then book and confirm this via Email and provide further repair instructions:
We can arrange for UPS to collect your device from an address (Mainland UK only) that is convenient for you. UPS can collect on Monday through Friday from 1pm to 5pm. There is no UPS service on Weekends and Public Holidays.
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Do have in your applications (settings> manage applications> all) an install called Updater version 2.3?
I think - not sure - that this is what was installed by the small update? Or is it for the Market? Terribly tempted to uninstall it and see what happens, eg if it updates again, but to 1.47. Or perhaps just try clear data.
Unfortunately to ignorant to know the risk if any...
Yes I and this what small update was it just updates the FOTA program which updates the phone firmware
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Yes I and this what small update was it just updates the FOTA program which updates the phone firmware
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Say again please?
yes it did install updater version 2.3. if you uninstall it you will be asked to install it again!
DON'T INSTALL 1.47!
Please! If you're looking to depress yourself, google "desire s late sms", look at the hundreds of pages of results, from users all over the world with the same problem.
You lucky ones who are still on 1.28 havent suffered the misery of the problem with 1.47 and the Desire S. Just imagine how much fun could be had, every time you're connected to a mobile data network (GPRS, 3G or HSDPA), knowing that there's a better than 50/50 chance all your 2G functions will stop working. Calls will go straight to voicemail, texts will fail to arrive for hours on end... And then randomly, you'll get a dozen messages at once, from people wondering why you've ignored them all afternoon...
Seriously, stick with 1.28 for now, wait for the next update.
We will need to have 1.47 before we can get 2.10!
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I never got 1.47, I'm still on 1.28. I'm not sure why.
My DS is an unbranded unlocked UK model.
We are certainly not the only people not to get 1.47.
At first I was glad that I did not get 1.47, but now I notice that (so far) only people with 1.47 seem to be getting the recent upgrade.
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can you use wireshark to analyze what the update sever's response is?
as when I've done that it replys {"time_msec":"1317992280856","stats_ok":true,"reason":"FOTACANCEL_NO_MATCH_RULE_FOR_CID","intent":[{"action":"android.server.checkin.FOTA_CANCEL"}]}
as mine is also an unbranded unlocked uk model
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can you use wireshark to analyze what the update sever's response is?
as when I've done that it replys {"time_msec":"1317992280856","stats_ok":true,"reason":"FOTACANCEL_NO_MATCH_RULE_FOR_CID","intent":[{"action":"android.server.checkin.FOTA_CANCEL"}]}
as mine is also an unbranded unlocked uk model
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I'd prefer not to install wireshark right now, but I'm certain that I would get the same response.
There are plenty of other people in the same situation. I'm guessing that HTC may have aborted deployment of 1.47 because they noticed that it caused so many issues.
I assume that the "no match rule for CID" simply means that there are no updates available for our particular software version at the moment.
I've just factory reset my DS in the hope of fixing another issue, and after doing so it politely updated the version of it's FOTA loader but nothing else new.
Starting deployment of the sense 3.0 version to a few users without any explanation seems a bit dumb of HTC unless they are simply beta testing.
I could understand them prioritising those who have already loaded 1.47 as clearly this is causing them the most issues. We just need to hope that they don't forget those if us who are still on 1.28
- Steve
had your phone been rooted before you get it?
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had your phone been rooted before you get it?
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Nope, I don't think so. My phone was new, carrier unlocked "sim-free" version from an authorised HTC retailer in the UK. I was previously using an Orange SIM in it, although recently switched to Three. (Have tried to get update when connected to both)
Okay, so I guess these problems may not seem serious to you, but they really do to me.
I'm on my third Sensation in two weeks. Ridiculous, I know. My local Orange store seems to have received a 'bad batch'.. yeah right, more like their software messes the phone up. Anyway I'm having problems with S-off'ing.
The first two Sensation's I recieved from Orange, had *Bootloader Locked* on the HBOOT, however this one does not have that at all? It doesn't say anything about a locked or unlocked bootloader at the top of HBOOT.
The problems first started when I attempted to S-Off. I have ALL my drivers installed and do not have any interrupting applications. Revoloutionary manages to complete all steps however on the 2/3rd time rebooting the bootloader it suddenly losses connection with my phone. It manages to root and everything, but then it will loose connection at this point and there seems to be not a thing I can do about it.
I have no idea how to fix this situation, I don't want to run a custom rom, I just want to be able to run a stock de-branded phone with S-ON!
Also, I was wondering if I S-Off, install Stock HTC Software, then S-On again will I be able to recieve updates OTA?
Thnaks XDA.
Hey guys,
I've got a stock Sensation XE running stock ICS wiith a 1.27 Hboot and Firmware 3.32 on Android 4.03 - sense 3.6
Basically everything's stock.
I'm waiting for revolutionary to update so I don't have to try Juntobear unlock for HBoot 1.27
Anyway, I've been experiencing problems with multi touch, especially when playing two button games such as NBA Jam or Shadowgun. I've checked the forums and there seems to be a fix but my phone isn't rooted. Is there any other methods to fix the multitouch e.g. for unrooted and locked stock devices?
or should I just wait for the Android 4.04 update or revolutionary - which ever first?
thanks for reading...
I'm having this same problem. One finger touch always works perfectly, but when I bring the other finger in, it usually loses the first one's input. How annoying! Must have appeared after the ICS update. I'm all stock.
yeah there was a thread about this being an ICS update problem. They've fixed the problem already but it requires root or at least super user.
I'm unwilling to use HTC DEV because it's HTC being blimey bums for locking their bootloader and then saying "we can unlock it for you at the cost of warranty".
Modern electronics blows. supposedly we, the consumer, don't own anything anymore.
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yeah there was a thread about this being an ICS update problem. They've fixed the problem already but it requires root or at least super user.
I'm unwilling to use HTC DEV because it's HTC being blimey bums for locking their bootloader and then saying "we can unlock it for you at the cost of warranty".
Modern electronics blows. supposedly we, the consumer, don't own anything anymore.
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How did they fix it?
I've been doing a lot of searching/browsing around these forums on-and-off the past few months (since the phone came out) because I'm keenly interested in it.
There seems to be a lot of confusing/contradictory/missing information, so I'm hoping someone can help me out, answer a few quick questions, not just idly lambaste me for not magically knowing these things, and ultimately help me settle on a phone.
I have an HTC HD2, have had it for 2.5 years, it's a great device, but it's showing its age and (more importantly) it has diminutive internal storage.
I'm switching from Telus to Rogers on August 8th, so I have the opportunity to subsidize this phone with Rogers (only reason I'm considering this is because apparently Rogers allows you to buy out your contract any time for just the price of your remaining phone subsidy, at least, that's what the rep I talked to at a Rogers store told me).
So:
Is the phone SIM locked/can it be SIM unlocked at this time? (This is important to me, I travel and always get a plan local to the country I'm in.)
What's all this business/brouhaha about "S-OFF", what does it mean (exactly, I don't seem to be able to find specifics or comprehensive information anywhere) et cetera?
What's the state of custom ROM development/accessibility, specifically for the Rogers version versus the other versions (including the international version).
Basically I'm just tired of groping around the forums finding half answers or information that leads to assumptions, so if anyone who knows can condense this information, or link me to a thread I've missed where any/all of these questions are answered, I'd be much appreciative.
Thanks!
1) Yes you can unlock the phone. You can do it on.eBay for 3.99$ . Currently we do not have free méthod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1704321
2) s-off is byp*** the security of the device . (Correct me if anyone with more knowledge) to make more changes to device But I think since we already have bootloader unlocked and root exploit this is not Going make any significant impact
Since now we have keneral we will soon be seeing s-off or we will have awesome custom
3) compared to intl versión we have less custom roms But what we have are awesome and really nice. Its better having few really good ones. When compared to quailty of custom roms we are not behind compared to any device
Sorry for my bad english
If you tired grouping information then use search option , you can easily find info u need
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
abhipati said:
1) Yes you can unlock the phone. You can do it on.eBay for 3.99$ . Currently we do not have free méthod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1704321
2) s-off is byp*** the security of the device . (Correct me if anyone with more knowledge) to make more changes to device But I think since we already have bootloader unlocked and root exploit this is not Going make any significant impact
Since now we have keneral we will soon be seeing s-off or we will have awesome custom
3) compared to intl versión we have less custom roms But what we have are awesome and really nice. Its better having few really good ones. When compared to quailty of custom roms we are not behind with than any device
Sorry for my bad english
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Thanks a lot for this -- despite the "bad english" it made perfect sense to me!
abhipati said:
If you tired grouping information then use search option , you can easily find info u need
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It's not about that, it's about the fact that when I find information -- by browsing, searching, et cetera -- it usually tends to be vague and builds on top of other information that I don't have, so it turns into this weird depth-first recursion of the whole forum.
It's easier to create a thread, get nice, straight, to-the-point answers from nice people like yourself (thanks again) so that I can proceed with confidence.
Spike15 said:
Thanks a lot for this -- despite the "bad english" it made perfect sense to me!
It's not about that, it's about the fact that when I find information -- by browsing, searching, et cetera -- it usually tends to be vague and builds on top of other information that I don't have, so it turns into this weird depth-first recursion of the whole forum.
It's easier to create a thread, get nice, straight, to-the-point answers from nice people like yourself (thanks again) so that I can proceed with confidence.
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No problem. :thumbup:
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
abhipati said:
2) s-off is byp*** the security of the device . (Correct me if anyone with more knowledge) to make more changes to device But I think since we already have bootloader unlocked and root exploit this is not Going make any significant impact
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S-Off is short for "security off". On past HTC devices, S-Off was the key to being able to flash custom ROMs, recovery, radios, kernels and permanently root the device. Now that HTC is offering the bootloader unlock via HTCDev.com, we don't really need S-Off for most things. The bootloader unlock allows flashing of custom recovery and ROMs by default, then the devs figured out now to flash boot images and radios through recovery also. So as abhipati mentioned, S-Off is not needed for many things, including installing custom ROMs.
What some are hoping S-Off may allow is SIM unlock, further radio hacks (to enable the AWS frequency compatibility) and the ability to change the bootloader unlock flag from "RELOCKED" back to "LOCKED", among possibly other things.
HTC One M8 on Verizon. Android version 5.0.1. I did a lot of research yesterday, and could not find any working solution to root the phone. It's hard to find anything on Google because generally the information will be outdated (from last year or the year before). So can someone fill me in on what exactly I'd need to do? This is my first smartphone and I've never rooted an Android device before.
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HTC One M8 on Verizon. Android version 5.0.1. I did a lot of research yesterday, and could not find any working solution to root the phone. It's hard to find anything on Google because generally the information will be outdated (from last year or the year before). So can someone fill me in on what exactly I'd need to do? This is my first smartphone and I've never rooted an Android device before.
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Assuming you are still S-On and locked then you are stuck without root for now.
BladeRunner said:
Assuming you are still S-On and locked then you are stuck without root for now.
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This is what I was afraid of. How can I keep track of when there is an update to the situation?
ziddy5 said:
This is what I was afraid of. How can I keep track of when there is an update to the situation?
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keep checking these forums and/or follow @teamandIRC on twitter
Rooting the already updated HTC One M8
It's going to be difficult. I've been scouring the webs for weeks looking for the answer to that one. The Sunshine S-off didn't work for me. The only way I can find right now to do this requires finding somone that has purchaced the elusive "HTC java card" sometimes called the HTC S-off card. They can s-off your phone in a heartbeat. Wish I had one, I just can't see forking over 375.00 to get one.
So if your S-off there is a root method available ? I haven't found it if there is.
I'm running 5.0.1 Verizon S-off
Thanks in advance
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So if your S-off there is a root method available ? I haven't found it if there is.
I'm running 5.0.1 Verizon S-off
Thanks in advance
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If you're already s-off then just install twrp and flash, reboot recovery and it should ask you if you want to install root
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If you're already s-off then just install twrp and flash, reboot recovery and it should ask you if you want to install root
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It seems you have to be rooted to install TWRP........at least what found
You only have to be rooted to install it with their app. If you are s-off you can download it from their site and flash it with fastboot.
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You only have to be rooted to install it with their app. If you are s-off you can download it from their site and flash it with fastboot.
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I followed this method and I have re-gained root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...ow-to-root-ota-pc-s-off-t3048604#post59750567
Now I'm going to try and flash the Dragon ROM with Sense 7
Thanks again for the help
same boat ; old filmware?
just received this HTC One M8 thru verizon, lollipop 5.0.1 after day 2 OTA update. I've been rooting every device i've owned since 08. Busy with daily tasks I haven't had a chance to sit and try unlocking bootloader until this weekend. I hit a wall when HTCdev returned an error after entering the identifier token \(^~^)/ . I did some reading, couldn't find anything.
I'm coming from a xt912 I've pretty much squeezed all I can get out of it since I got that brand new. I put CM12 on that just recently this HTC makes that the moto seem primitive. After bricking that (moto)spyder a few times flashing bad zips or doing things out of sequence I've put it thru the ringer and used RSDlite to just start from scratch. I have also found these device can put up with a lot and still bounce back. Geeze, I have three years of continuous text and data backed up on SD, lol . Something I haven't tried and wonder, does anyone know, is there any old VZW filmware for this M8 maybe 4.4.2 and try un locking from that point or Does the token id stay the same no matter what filmware?
Htcdev won't work on our phone because it's blocked by Verizon. Also, it's not possible to downgrade firmware or the OS without having s-off. At this time there's no way to get s-off on lollipop so you're pretty much stuck where you're at until an exploit is found by someone. Sunshine works for anything up to 4.4.4 but it won't work on a Verizon phone that's running 5.0.1. About all you can do right now is wait to see if Jcase and Beaups come up with a way to make it work on a Verizon phone too. I know that's not what you want to hear but that's how it is at the moment.
benjdevel said:
I've been rooting every device i've owned since 08. weekend. I hit a wall
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Okay, glad I didn't spend too much time trying to figure this out, never rooted a device before
Gotcha . ...Stupid vzw ? I glanced at a procedure to unlock SIM. Have no idea if that would help anything. Havent tried it. Ill have to keep a watch out for something. Really compaired to that spider this thing is like a ferrari. Not too much bloatware. Lollipop rocks and knowing Im up to date for the most part calms me a little. I still dont like the idea of not having complete control of my device. I've already received a few notification marketing related from verizon that i could not close unless i looked at it. I did notice control over saving things to my ext sd i do like. I am a student just getting into the ist world.wish there was something i could help with. 5 classes is killing me at the moment though. I did also try to install an imsi catcher apk updates version and it seemed like it ran fine. I could of swore that app needed root access. I could be wrong with the newest version though.
Joint Java Card?
Same boat (Verizon, htc one m8) . . . For some reason I was thinking Lollipop was the update which was still able to be handled by Weaksauce 2. So I accepted the OTA, without thinking. -hadn't gotten around to s-off, etc., before this time around.
So, in some 2013 posts, I saw that some people had tried to pool resources and share a Java Card, etc. But sending phones to a "card keeper", is expensive, and unsafe (besides having to live without your phone for a few days.). jcase, on their company's IRC support channel, indicates that the card is more than just a simple microSD card, which one might be able to dd a filesystem image from (i.e. copy it for distribution). That's entirely possible, since all SD cards have micro-controllers for dealing with failed sectors, etc (check out "Bunnie's Blog"). Basically, the controller could make it tough/impossible to access part of the card, and can take care of decrimenting credits, encryption, signing, etc. Even if it were a basic SD card, the use of signed binaries, and external license/resource server, etc. could still make it tough . . . -although the card I found states it needs no internet connection. It would be much cheaper to send the card, rather than phones. But how to coordinate and pool the cost seems like it could be a pain?
So here's what I'm thinking about:
Someone (me?) could purchase a legit, new htc Java Card. After I use my 2 or 3 credits to s-off/unlock my phone, I could put the card on, say, ebay for maybe $5 less than what I bought it for. Then, another person could use some credits, then sell it again, for a little cheaper, etc. If we want to keep it "in-house", we could just send to each other and pay with PayPal or Google Wallet. But, with e-bay, one could just copy/build on the ad the first person started. Take a picture of your phone's screen, when the remaining credits are shown, and put it on the ad. With 2000 credits, my conservative estimate is that it could cost less than 72 cents, for each unlock. The $5 incremental discount might be close enough to cover re-shipping costs.
The Sunshine guys have, for free, helped many of us over the years. So I was planning to purchase their solution, if it worked for this situation. But their download page states that "Verizon 5.0.x users will have to wait until we update.". They indicate they could get us supported soon, but they also indicate that Lollipop is much more secure, with SELinux updated and better enforced., etc. So I am a little concerned about when that will actually happen. I see they've been posting updates for Motorola, and making sure people are able to pay them via PayPal, etc. But nothing yet for Verizon 5.0.x.
Does anyone know/recall how long after the last android update, someone came up with a root exploit? I'm just trying to get a rough guesstimate about the minimum time people will have to wait this time. -then add time because Lollipop is apparently significantly more secure. I guess I don't completely mind that my phone might be secure enough to not make it tougher for someone to get into the deepest parts of it, without specialized hardware (Java Card), if I were to lose it.
But, really, what Verizon and htc and others have done to these devices . . . They are, essentially, specialized computers. It would be like if Dell or another computer manufacturer sold you a computer, without allowing you access to your administrator account (and no clear/easy way to boot from another drive, to recover/fix things, etc.). That's crap.
I dunno. What do people think? I suppose I could just try it, and see.
Are new devices updated already? If I were to get a phone from verizon today will it already have the Lollipop update or would I get a still root-able device that I can deny the update?
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But, really, what Verizon and htc and others have done to these devices . . . They are, essentially, specialized computers. It would be like if Dell or another computer manufacturer sold you a computer, without allowing you access to your administrator account (and no clear/easy way to boot from another drive, to recover/fix things, etc.). That's crap.
I dunno. What do people think? I suppose I could just try it, and see.
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I like the idea of that Java card:good: and I completely agree with you on how wrong it is restricting administrative rights, especially considering these things are comparable to a new computer.
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Are new devices updated already? If I were to get a phone from verizon today will it already have the Lollipop update or would I get a still root-able device that I can deny the update?
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No guarantees either way.
What is the status on SunShine for our device?
I got the Java Card.
@vazersecurity: still "Verizon 5.0.x users will have to wait until we update.", as of today.
I got the card, as previously proposed, and was able to get S-Off on my USA-Verizon HTC One M8 with the Lollipop OTA.
I needed to download and place two files in the root of the card (now done).
I then (CID changed) was able to use htcdev.com to unlock my bootloader, and ultimately gain root. I'm now happily running a current Cyanogenmod ROM. To regain some functionality from my camera, etc., I installed the htc camera, HTC Gallery, and Zoe apps from the Play store.
So I've already created a listing for the card on eBay. I assume the forum rules won't allow me to post the link. But I, honestly, always intended to use that as a way to make it more convenient to share with a community of people who wish to join in. -not to try and make any money off the card. Again, rather than have people ship phones to one person (with the shipping cost, and being without their phone), if figured it would be cheaper, and less disruptive, to ship the actual card. So, you'd purchase the card from the previous user, then re-list it for a bit less than what you paid for it. With the starting cost and credits, S-Off is about 30 cents, each. As the card credits get used up, it gets cheaper. Maybe each person would end up paying a few dollars for S-Off, when you factor in the shipping.
Maybe a moderator could chime in about whether it might be OK to post a link to this "community-intended" listing. -or suggest a better contribution/distribution method.
Also, since many users in our situations have been out of luck regarding S-Off, for a few months now, might a moderator or someone suggest/implement a way to post/place this information more prominently, in the forums?
Thanks.