Dear all,
Some questions around HTC CIDs driving me mad, because I couldn't find any clear statement so far. Or when I found some, they don’t match my own experience with my HTC phones…
I started to get interested in the HTC CIDs because I bought on ebay from Hong Kong an HTC One M8 and I couldn't update it. The standard HTC software / system update (in the setting -> about section) cries the following error: "we have determined that your phone may be running a modified version of its system software..." As far as I could understand thanks to my researches, my phone is branded, therefore, until the concerned carrier releases updates for my phone, I won't be able to get them.
But it is strange anyway, because I didn't ANY system update so far... whereas the HTC One M8 is now few years old… Moreover, a question comes to my mind: how to get patches directly from HTC? According to my researches, even the HTC super CID doesn’t help, but on the contrary blocks OTAs… so far this question remains unanswered for me. I didn’t find clear statement about that.
But here comes the weirdest stuff. I have also an HTC One M7 bought from the same ebay seller in Hong Kong. Out of the box, the phone had already the HTC super CID. The box was normally sealed, so it seemed to come directly from the factory. Also myself, I never tried to change it or even to unlock the bootloader or flash a new ROM, etc. Nothing, nada, niente, zilch, rien.
But I got system updates! The phone was originally shipped with Jelly Bean, I updated it to Lollipop through the HTC system updates, and got also other systems update patches, no issue at any point.
So here’s my question: What the hell??? How to get HTC update patches directly from HTC without waiting for carriers and does the HTC super CID really blocks them? I really don’t understand how to simply get a not branded phone receiving system update patches with no delay. And mainly, I don’t know if I should return the M8 to the ebay shop in Hong Kong, or if I should try to play with the CID and flash it with the HTC stock ROM to get it like an original HTC. If someone knows…
Cheers
Think I got some answers from another source.
Shall I detail ? Anybody cares ?
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Q: What means CID(-unlock)?
A: Most providers add a Carrier ID to their devices. This CID is added to prevent a device being flashed with a ROM which is not from the provider.
To flash other ROM's, you have to unlock the CID. If you flash another ROM on a CID-locked device, the new ROM will not work properly.
As I have a non branded, non provider, just HTC phone how can it be impossible to update from one language to another without the 'hardspl' trick?
What is there to gain to make it so difficult to change language?
What is there to gain for HTC or Microsoft?
I can understand that a provider, like AT&T or Vodafone or whatever, lock their devices to keep their customers 'inhouse' but for all of us that have no provider/branded phone there is no issue to do this.
Anyone can explain this to me. (If anyone wants to explain )
Well, what if someone who bought the HTC branded device would flash the AT&T shipping ROM?
First of all, the AT&T Radio ROM does not work on HTC devices (except the latest). And... you'd need a HTC keyboard fix. But the most important reason is, that the CID prevents you from flashing a ROM, which is not designed for your device.
This would brick lots of phones in worst case and in best case HTC would need a several 100% more money and people for support just for telling the people, that they flashed a ROM which is not supported by HTC.
So this means that in my case, having a HTC branded device I can without any problems update this to an english version when I get my hands on a HTC owned version of the rom.
Yes, I do understand your point but still I see no harm in upgrading languages. And afaik this is just something HTC and MS agreed upon.
Thanks for your reply.
Well, unfortunately i cannot say you why HTC does not want that. I am sure, they have a more or less good reason, but which...???
Just keep is as it is ;-)
I just wondering as still haven't!
I never got 1.47, I'm still on 1.28. I'm not sure why.
My DS is an unbranded unlocked UK model.
We are certainly not the only people not to get 1.47.
At first I was glad that I did not get 1.47, but now I notice that (so far) only people with 1.47 seem to be getting the recent upgrade.
Least am not the only one! HTC support seems to think I would need to send my phone away for repair to have it updated!
podycust said:
Least am not the only one! HTC support seems to think I would need to send my phone away for repair to have it updated!
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Seriously. All HTC seem to say is any update news will appear first on Twitter or Facebook, yet when anyone has questioned them on there they deny any knowledge of the update even with proof
The only thing they use social networking for is product spamming and corporate shindig promoting!!
Got a small update months ago which installed an updater, but never got 1.47. Still on 1.28. Unbranded, unrooted.
Interested to learn what HTC told you about returning it...
Yes I got those same updates months ago too! This is what they said after first saying 1.28 was the latest and then me saying I know about some with 1.47
Thank you for your reply regarding your Desire S.
The case there is an update available and you cannot receive it through 'OTA', the device may need to be sent for repair. then your device gets updated to the latest version.
Please confirm the following information in order to be able to book the device for repair:
From which address you wish the collection to happen
On which day you wish the collection to happen (please allow 48 hours’ notice)
The Serial Number of your device. (Serial Number can be found underneath the battery.) I will then book and confirm this via Email and provide further repair instructions:
We can arrange for UPS to collect your device from an address (Mainland UK only) that is convenient for you. UPS can collect on Monday through Friday from 1pm to 5pm. There is no UPS service on Weekends and Public Holidays.
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Do have in your applications (settings> manage applications> all) an install called Updater version 2.3?
I think - not sure - that this is what was installed by the small update? Or is it for the Market? Terribly tempted to uninstall it and see what happens, eg if it updates again, but to 1.47. Or perhaps just try clear data.
Unfortunately to ignorant to know the risk if any...
Yes I and this what small update was it just updates the FOTA program which updates the phone firmware
podycust said:
Yes I and this what small update was it just updates the FOTA program which updates the phone firmware
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Say again please?
yes it did install updater version 2.3. if you uninstall it you will be asked to install it again!
DON'T INSTALL 1.47!
Please! If you're looking to depress yourself, google "desire s late sms", look at the hundreds of pages of results, from users all over the world with the same problem.
You lucky ones who are still on 1.28 havent suffered the misery of the problem with 1.47 and the Desire S. Just imagine how much fun could be had, every time you're connected to a mobile data network (GPRS, 3G or HSDPA), knowing that there's a better than 50/50 chance all your 2G functions will stop working. Calls will go straight to voicemail, texts will fail to arrive for hours on end... And then randomly, you'll get a dozen messages at once, from people wondering why you've ignored them all afternoon...
Seriously, stick with 1.28 for now, wait for the next update.
We will need to have 1.47 before we can get 2.10!
fasty said:
I never got 1.47, I'm still on 1.28. I'm not sure why.
My DS is an unbranded unlocked UK model.
We are certainly not the only people not to get 1.47.
At first I was glad that I did not get 1.47, but now I notice that (so far) only people with 1.47 seem to be getting the recent upgrade.
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can you use wireshark to analyze what the update sever's response is?
as when I've done that it replys {"time_msec":"1317992280856","stats_ok":true,"reason":"FOTACANCEL_NO_MATCH_RULE_FOR_CID","intent":[{"action":"android.server.checkin.FOTA_CANCEL"}]}
as mine is also an unbranded unlocked uk model
podycust said:
can you use wireshark to analyze what the update sever's response is?
as when I've done that it replys {"time_msec":"1317992280856","stats_ok":true,"reason":"FOTACANCEL_NO_MATCH_RULE_FOR_CID","intent":[{"action":"android.server.checkin.FOTA_CANCEL"}]}
as mine is also an unbranded unlocked uk model
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I'd prefer not to install wireshark right now, but I'm certain that I would get the same response.
There are plenty of other people in the same situation. I'm guessing that HTC may have aborted deployment of 1.47 because they noticed that it caused so many issues.
I assume that the "no match rule for CID" simply means that there are no updates available for our particular software version at the moment.
I've just factory reset my DS in the hope of fixing another issue, and after doing so it politely updated the version of it's FOTA loader but nothing else new.
Starting deployment of the sense 3.0 version to a few users without any explanation seems a bit dumb of HTC unless they are simply beta testing.
I could understand them prioritising those who have already loaded 1.47 as clearly this is causing them the most issues. We just need to hope that they don't forget those if us who are still on 1.28
- Steve
had your phone been rooted before you get it?
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had your phone been rooted before you get it?
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Nope, I don't think so. My phone was new, carrier unlocked "sim-free" version from an authorised HTC retailer in the UK. I was previously using an Orange SIM in it, although recently switched to Three. (Have tried to get update when connected to both)
Why after the Mango update I don't receive the Htc update drive ? I update my phone with the U2M7720
Can Some bodyes help me ?
Assuming you used U2M7720 to update to Mango ISV.
Go and see this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1287505
Skip all parts until you reach the "HTC ADDITIONAL UPDATE" part.
There you will find a guide to get the official HTC update, but do keep in mind that at the moment, you will not be able to use applications such as Advanced Config, FileXplorer.
-Xeno
doesn't start
I just read and try the guide, but my Zune doesn't find the HTC Update and I don't want come back to NODO
is there a litle solution for me ?????
I read it somewhere that htc update depends on regions too, which means that not necessarily everybody with htc device will get the same update. I have not gotten any htc update for my mozart, and I live in indonesia. I haven't asked around whether other people have got htc update on theirs, because I think I am the only one using windows phone in indonesia ahahahahahahah.....
As far as I know, people with htc in european and US regions get updates... I am not sure about the people in asian regions. Maybe others can confirm this. What sort of rom and region do you live in?
as you can see from here:
http://wmpoweruser.com/firmware-update-for-htc-mozart-pops-up-did-you-receive-any-notifications/
not everybody got updates either.. just dont worry about it too much
cheers
joseph.sapri has a valid point.
In my case I live outside the USA, but have a T-Mobile HTC HD7, hence why I received the updates early on.
Let us know the ROM and region.
I'm in Italy, but some people that live in Italy have just receive the update, why i don't receive ?
Well, you can try to wait for a while I guess. Since the update is deployed randomly to people, means your neighbor might get the update but you won't.
Have you tried the force update technique?
Otherwise I'm all out of ideas.
I update my phone with the U2M7720 method......but my main problem is that the program usb switch doesn't run on my phone and I think that it's depend on the htc update
Can you link me the thread for program usb switch?
I will see if it works on my HD7.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271253
ecco il link
Hello all.
I'm having some major problems with my Desire S - stock firmare v1.47, T-Mobile - and would be very thankful for any support and advice provided
I've had the phone since late August, and just over a month of having it, the phone completely died. T-Mobile replaced the mainboard, and returned it. Since receiving the repaired handset, text messages are delayed when coming through - sometimes upto an hour. Sent it off to T-Mobile again, and this time they've replaced the antenna. The same thing is happening.
While it was away the second time, I did some research and found lots of people claiming it's an issue with the 1.47 update on the Desire S.
The main reason for this thread is just to ask what my best options are from here. I'm ok S-OFFing and flashing another ROM, or downgrading if this is possible and will definitely resolve this issue; but as I'm a certified noob, I was wondering what advice you guys may have for me
Thanks,
DJM.
can't you just flash the 1.28 RUU?
Hi, thanks for the reply.
I used a T-Mobile 1.30 RUU, and S-OFF'd with revolutionary.
I *think* I might have cracked it - touch wood.
I'm amazed at android releasing updates which impede such basic functions though
great, hope you get it sorted
Thanks man
I'm getting texts through as they should at the moment, so fingers crossed it will stay that way.
I recommend that anyone with a Desire S, especially on T-Mobile UK, resists the urge to upload to 1.47
I have a sensation on Three uk and I have been checking daily for ICS update.
Today, I was talking to customer services about other issue and asked about ICS, they put me through the technical team, and when I asked, they said there is nothing going on with sensation.
I said other networks have released ICS for the Sensation, and they answer was that they don't have to do so, and for now there is no plan to do so either!
I was more waiting for an answer like: we are working on it, or we are testing it...
I know I could root and I have done this when I had my old HD2, but just can't be bothered to do it again lol
I was under the impression that if the software was released from HTC, it should be make available to all users??
Anybody knows what this policy is?
I've been with three for a few years and my experience is they are absolutely useless with firmware updates, your best bet is to just debrand, the only problem is you lose your warranty. and the firmware is released by HTC but its amended by operators and released for their handsets, so if three never bother to change and release the firmware you will never get it.
Will do as soon as warranty expires, I think I will be changing networks after this.
I need some kind of assurance that the phone I am stuck with for 24 months will get the updates released by the manufacturer or I'll go elsewhere...
I though I was getting closer to get rid of the screenshot and overheat problems, but I see that is not the case...
Three
I tweeted Three three times and each time they have told me it is in testing. A friend of mine got a 4.#### update the other day and he told me it made his phone really laggy. He is on three, I don't know why he got that.
Just take the plunge and flash a custom ICS ROM,
Its easy to revert back to stock if needed.... Either that or wait......... wait for a very long time..
Update today!
Three UK announced on their Twitter this afternoon that the ICS update for the HTC Sensation (Not XE/XL) has been rolled out.
The update should appear soon for you