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Hi All,
I posted a similar question before without too much response. So bear with me as I repost it here in this forum as you guys seems most knowledgeable.
In where I live, GPRS data cost an arm and a leg. They charge you something stupid like 10 dollars for 12 megs, WITHOUT the option of purchasing an unlimited plan. What I'm trying to find out is is it possible for our Kaisers to act as an analog modem so I can tether it to my laptop and dial-up to a local ISP? Sure the speed would be terrible, but at least I'll get connectivity without incurring tons of data charges.
Any insights would be greatly appreciated
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What I'm trying to find out is is it possible for our Kaisers to act as an analog modem so I can tether it to my laptop and dial-up to a local ISP? Sure the speed would be terrible, but at least I'll get connectivity without incurring tons of data charges.
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It would really suck if you're moving such as on a train or such because this kinda of data doesn't handle tower swapping.
It should be possible, depending on your phone provider. I know at&t used to allow it, but it's unavailable with any new plan now, for instance.
NuShrike said:
It would really suck if you're moving such as on a train or such because this kinda of data doesn't handle tower swapping.
It should be possible, depending on your phone provider. I know at&t used to allow it, but it's unavailable with any new plan now, for instance.
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Hm... interesting. Technically my phone provider can "dis-allow" their customers from dialing into an ISP using a voice call, but in reality can they really prevent you from doing so? I mean from their end its just any voice call right?
But I digress. Does anyone know how I can set up something like this in WM6? I tried doing the following :
1. Create a new Connection
2. Select "Cellular Line" as my modem type
3. Enter the phone number of my ISP
4. Connect using this new connection
But it fails, saying that it got a problem establishing the connection. At first I thought it was failing to establish carrier with the ISP, but later I found out that it doesn't even dial out but changing the number to my home phone number.
Any ideas would be appreciated.. thanks!!
Actually, there is a circuit you can build, for the electronically inclined, that will connect the headphone/mic ports on the kaiser to the 2wire hole on your laptop, enabling you to use your minutes to DIAL aol or msn or whatever.
tyeo098 said:
Actually, there is a circuit you can build, for the electronically inclined, that will connect the headphone/mic ports on the kaiser to the 2wire hole on your laptop, enabling you to use your minutes to DIAL aol or msn or whatever.
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Would that be akin to using a mini usb to rj11 adapter? That would certainly be doable! However, I would imagine some drivers needs to be installed. Say, for the WM6 device to act as a modem and for windows to detect it as a modem.
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Hm... interesting. Technically my phone provider can "dis-allow" their customers from dialing into an ISP using a voice call, but in reality can they really prevent you from doing so? I mean from their end its just any voice call right?
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I'm not sure how it's done, but my provider certainly does block it unless one is provisioned.
On my Sony Ericsson t637, I can ISP dialup on one sim that is provisioned on the monthly plan, but on the other cannot dial through. If you hand dial it, you can hear the other side's modem for fax (for example), but if you try tether dial for instance, it doesn't work. Either sim does not contain any network setup information and it's all on the same phone.
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I'm not sure how it's done, but my provider certainly does block it unless one is provisioned.
On my Sony Ericsson t637, I can ISP dialup on one sim that is provisioned on the monthly plan, but on the other cannot dial through. If you hand dial it, you can hear the other side's modem for fax (for example), but if you try tether dial for instance, it doesn't work. Either sim does not contain any network setup information and it's all on the same phone.
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That's very interesting.... the fact that if you hand dial you hear the other side's modem but if you let WM6 dial through one of its connection setups you won't be able to connect.
This leads me to think it might be a software limitation. Any other thoughts?
I want to do this too and have the same issue of it not dialing. But if I hand-dial the number it connects (well, I hear the modem sound). Would it be possible to setup windows to work off those sounds? So instead of dialing, it will just send authentication information. Or dial without dial tone, then you hand-dial it on the cell, and route the "audio" to the modem?
It worked for me
Hi everyone
I use T-mobile in USA, I have the myFaves plan, it allows me to call 5 numbers of my choice for free. One of these numbers is a Dial-up number that I use to dial out and connect to the internet. However it takes about 20-30 attempts before I make a connection (or sometimes it connects in just 2 attempts).
The point is, I've done it and it actually works. All you need to do is go in 'Connections' and add a new connection. Select 'Cellular Line' and specify the phone number you wish to dial.
I would love to use this method of connection since its free, but the time it takes to connect is very frustrating. I came here looking for some free software that would allow the voice call to be easily recognized as a data call so that I can continue using this facility.
I called T-mobile a while back and asked as to why it was so inconsistent, the cusomer representative replied saying 'You are getting away with it, it's not supposed to happen'. He said that they needed to enable CSD for my line for it to actually work. I had the CSD inactive according to him. I argued that I used voice dialing and not CSD, he didn't agree with me.
Lets keep this thread active and search for a solution, let me know what you guys think.
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Hi everyone
I use T-mobile in USA, I have the myFaves plan, it allows me to call 5 numbers of my choice for free. One of these numbers is a Dial-up number that I use to dial out and connect to the internet. However it takes about 20-30 attempts before I make a connection (or sometimes it connects in just 2 attempts).
The point is, I've done it and it actually works. All you need to do is go in 'Connections' and add a new connection. Select 'Cellular Line' and specify the phone number you wish to dial.
I would love to use this method of connection since its free, but the time it takes to connect is very frustrating. I came here looking for some free software that would allow the voice call to be easily recognized as a data call so that I can continue using this facility.
I called T-mobile a while back and asked as to why it was so inconsistent, the cusomer representative replied saying 'You are getting away with it, it's not supposed to happen'. He said that they needed to enable CSD for my line for it to actually work. I had the CSD inactive according to him. I argued that I used voice dialing and not CSD, he didn't agree with me.
Lets keep this thread active and search for a solution, let me know what you guys think.
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That's very interesting! I have followed your steps exactly as above, however I can verify that mine doesn't actually dial out. Have you tried substituting your dialup number with your home phone number? That way you can verify at which stage the failure happens. For example, if your home phone rings, then we can conclude that you've managed to make WM6 dial out (which is further than what I've got), which most likely means it fails at the connecting stage.
That fact that I couldn't even get WM6 to dial out makes me think its a software issue more than a network limitation.
I think there's a problem with the Analogue CSD Modem on the TyTN II.
I've been trying to get mToken (http://www.choung.net/mToken/) to work as a simple VT100 async modem connection over the GSM cellular modem and have had no success. Works fine on my other WM5 device (XDA Orbit) using the same SIM card.
As another test I tried getting my ISP connection working over the dial-up Cellular Line (GSM) using start->settings->connections->connections and using then 'cellular line' option under modem selection. Again no success on the TyTN IIl. Again this works perfectly on my other XDA Orbit device.
I have a case open with HTC UK who are still investigating the analogue modem problem on this device.
There's another thread relating to this here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=357234
I've managed to call my home phone using the "Cellular Line" option when creating new connection. I'm using Q-Mobile 1.2 ROM with radio 1.27.12.32...
svilendotorg said:
I've managed to call my home phone using the "Cellular Line" option when creating new connection. I'm using Q-Mobile 1.2 ROM with radio 1.27.12.32...
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I can also dial out to any analogue phone no problem using the 'cellular line' modem. The trouble is the HTC's modem is not able to establish a connection if you have an analogue data modem at the other end - it just hangs indefinitely.
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I can also dial out to any analogue phone no problem using the 'cellular line' modem. The trouble is the HTC's modem is not able to establish a connection if you have an analogue data modem at the other end - it just hangs indefinitely.
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Interesting... the problem of not being able to dial out seems more and more like a software problem. In particular, it looks tied to the Radio ROM since I'm on the 1.27.12.17
I'll try some other Radio's and report back the results. zoggo, if you don't mind, please tell us what version of radio are you using. Wouldn't hurt to let us know which rom you're running as well.
Thanks
explorer82 said:
Hi everyone
I use T-mobile in USA, I have the myFaves plan, it allows me to call 5 numbers of my choice for free. One of these numbers is a Dial-up number that I use to dial out and connect to the internet. However it takes about 20-30 attempts before I make a connection (or sometimes it connects in just 2 attempts).
The point is, I've done it and it actually works. All you need to do is go in 'Connections' and add a new connection. Select 'Cellular Line' and specify the phone number you wish to dial.
I would love to use this method of connection since its free, but the time it takes to connect is very frustrating. I came here looking for some free software that would allow the voice call to be easily recognized as a data call so that I can continue using this facility.
I called T-mobile a while back and asked as to why it was so inconsistent, the cusomer representative replied saying 'You are getting away with it, it's not supposed to happen'. He said that they needed to enable CSD for my line for it to actually work. I had the CSD inactive according to him. I argued that I used voice dialing and not CSD, he didn't agree with me.
Lets keep this thread active and search for a solution, let me know what you guys think.
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Interesting, I wonder if my provider will charge me data for this
The topic becomes more and more interesting;
now i have an idea - to connect an old gsm phone to my linux server and configure it as a dial-in server/gateway, with free data plan between my Kaiser's SIM card and my server's one... This way i will have 500 free minutes of internet every month
The problem is...i don't know how to do it ...yet
12.32 is no good
shinji1 said:
Interesting... the problem of not being able to dial out seems more and more like a software problem. In particular, it looks tied to the Radio ROM since I'm on the 1.27.12.17
I'll try some other Radio's and report back the results. zoggo, if you don't mind, please tell us what version of radio are you using. Wouldn't hurt to let us know which rom you're running as well.
Thanks
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I have just tried the 12.32 radio and I'm still not able to dial out. Just to clarify, I couldn't even get the connection to dial out.
So this means something other than the radio rom is allowing zoggo and svilendotorg's kaiser to dial out to an analog number from a connection. If you dont mind zoggo, can you tell us what ROM you're running on? I myself am running on dutty's v3 final.
Thanks
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I have just tried the 12.32 radio and I'm still not able to dial out. Just to clarify, I couldn't even get the connection to dial out.
So this means something other than the radio rom is allowing zoggo and svilendotorg's kaiser to dial out to an analog number from a connection. If you dont mind zoggo, can you tell us what ROM you're running on? I myself am running on dutty's v3 final.
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I'm running the original versions supplied with my Kaiser:
ROM version 1.56.405.5
ROM date: 08/28/07
Radio version: 1.27.12.11
Protocol version:22.45.88.07H
New developments
Thank you all for the feedback, I was on phone with the T-mobile Customer care (level 3 data) today. According to this very knowledgeable person, it is 'supposed' to work and we are 'supposed' to connect without any problems.
This also goes with the fact that there wont be any data call charges if we use the dial-up connection. However we will be using our voice minutes, depends on your plan.
The representative explained to me that CSD was only used for incoming data calls, like fax etc. and assured me that I did not need CSD for it to work properly (he proved my point). T-mobile offers CSD option for additional fee every month. I also told him that I was able to connect many times before, but the connection was inconsistent (30 attempts etc.).
To shinji1: I used Q-Mobile 1.1 with radio ROM 1.27.12.32 and was able to dial out properly (In fact, I personally think that this is the best radio ROM for this purpose). Currently I use dutty's v3 ROM with the same radio and was able to establish a dial-up connection many times before. You better flash to these ROMs; there is no tweaking involved, just flash and try to connect.
The mToken utility looks very promising. I'll tinker with it later and let you guys know my progress. As zoggo pointed out, this indeed could be yet another HTC software problem (or even the new windows mobile problem), lets hope they solve it.
Finally, I noticed that I am able to establish a connection on some days and failing to do the same on others (no matter how many times I try). So if its not working for you, try connecting again after 2-3 days? Its just a hunch, but its an observation I made.
explorer82 said:
Thank you all for the feedback, I was on phone with the T-mobile Customer care (level 3 data) today. According to this very knowledgeable person, it is 'supposed' to work and we are 'supposed' to connect without any problems.
This also goes with the fact that there wont be any data call charges if we use the dial-up connection. However we will be using our voice minutes, depends on your plan.
The representative explained to me that CSD was only used for incoming data calls, like fax etc. and assured me that I did not need CSD for it to work properly (he proved my point). T-mobile offers CSD option for additional fee every month. I also told him that I was able to connect many times before, but the connection was inconsistent (30 attempts etc.).
To shinji1: I used Q-Mobile 1.1 with radio ROM 1.27.12.32 and was able to dial out properly (In fact, I personally think that this is the best radio ROM for this purpose). Currently I use dutty's v3 ROM with the same radio and was able to establish a dial-up connection many times before. You better flash to these ROMs; there is no tweaking involved, just flash and try to connect.
The mToken utility looks very promising. I'll tinker with it later and let you guys know my progress. As zoggo pointed out, this indeed could be yet another HTC software problem (or even the new windows mobile problem), lets hope they solve it.
Finally, I noticed that I am able to establish a connection on some days and failing to do the same on others (no matter how many times I try). So if its not working for you, try connecting again after 2-3 days? Its just a hunch, but its an observation I made.
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Did he explain why it doesn't work consistently?
Hi,
I am almost sure that all Windows Mobile devices are softwarly unable to use skype properly...I have a Kaiser, which have a UMTS HSDA connection. Think about the following tests I have done.
Everyone is able to make skype call if the Pda is connected through wifi, so the device has no cpu problem using the skype codec, it can handle it.
If you try to make a skype call using the UMTS and even HSDPA connection, the service is not usbale (you hear one word on three!!) So the first thing you think is: the HSDPA data connection is not enough for skype, but, here is the point: if you use your pda as modem with your Pc, you can use skype with no problem on your Pc, using the same data connection as before, even if you make a video call! No delay for sound...so you will think: the problem could be that the cpu radio (if there is one, I am not so expert on Pda hardware) is not so powerful to handle all the data traffic that skype generates, maybe when we use them as modem is not the Pda to manage the traffic (I do not know), but, if you try to download a file from the web using pocket IE or Opera mobile, you will se that our wonderful Pda download it at the same speed you will download the same file from the Pc using the Pda as modem...the same speed and the same time spent for download...it means that the Pda has absolutely no problem using its data connection at its 100% of power.
Thinking about all of this, do not you think that our devices are "blocked" using skype through UMTS connetcion? I also thought, maybe the problem is that the skype client itself is buggy, but it works so well using wifi!
What do you think about that?
Hey Alex,
haven't tried Skype over UMTS/HSDPA, but I know that some carriers block SIP(skype and co) and IM(msn,icq,aim,y!..) over the data connection!
Greetings
tomoffel said:
Hey Alex,
haven't tried Skype over UMTS/HSDPA, but I know that some carriers block SIP(skype and co) and IM(msn,icq,aim,y!..) over the data connection!
Greetings
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I know that, but in that case it does not work at all. If the carriers does not block SIP it should work well, it is impossible that I hear one word on three, or they block it or they allow it ...try to make some test if your carriers allow SIP, I am really thinking that tere is a software block.
Okay, tested it and it worked fine for me over 2mins T-Mobile Germany (x-tra prepay)! Have atm just EDGE, but will test it if I have UMTS!
Maybe the carrier is to "slow" to block the skype call in the moment you connect.. and you have a little delay (the two/three words).. and then the carrier cuts the call?
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I know that, but in that case it does not work at all. If the carriers does not block SIP it should work well, it is impossible that I hear one word on three, or they block it or they allow it ...try to make some test if your carriers allow SIP, I am really thinking that tere is a software block.
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tomoffel said:
Okay, tested it and it worked fine for me over 2mins T-Mobile Germany (x-tra prepay)! Have atm just EDGE, but will test it if I have UMTS!
Maybe the carrier is to "slow" to block the skype call in the moment you connect.. and you have a little delay (the two/three words).. and then the carrier cuts the call?
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No, I can go on for minutes and minutes, it is not a carriers fault. It is interesting knowing that calling are fine for you in EDGE, it proves that the problem is only on my Kaiser, or on UMTS, or my carrier is joking with us in Italy (H3G) creating this holes on calling. Your test show that there is not any kind of software block by MS. There is someone else that can make other test with different devices, data connection and carriers?
Moved to Q&A
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Moved to Q&A
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Thanks, I thought it was an hacking matter.
Skype works and has worked for over a year now for me on whaatever signal I feed it. UMTS, HSDPA, EDGE, WiFi, ActiveSync, they all work for me. FWIW, I have a Touch Cruise and I'm on ATT's network in the US.
sonus said:
Skype works and has worked for over a year now for me on whaatever signal I feed it. UMTS, HSDPA, EDGE, WiFi, ActiveSync, they all work for me. FWIW, I have a Touch Cruise and I'm on ATT's network in the US.
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So it seems that the problem is my own Kaiser or my carrier...anyone else has other expirience with different devices and carriers?
is it possible that you have other programs running in the background and your phone is out of memory?
JR_de said:
is it possible that you have other programs running in the background and your phone is out of memory?
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absolutely not, I made tests even after flashing new rom without installing anything.
Today I made a test after month, I tried to use skype over wifi and...it does not work as when I am under UMTS, is my Kaiser broken??? I mean, I hear one word on three, and under wifi it is not a data speed problem...
Hi All -
Sorry for a weird (simple) question:
I am used to GSM / At&T - where if you had a 3G connection you could talk on the phone and be on the internet at the same time.
Is CDMA / VZW different? I just talked to a tech and she said it wasn't possible.
Confused...
-Daniel
According to what I have read on this forum and experienced, with CDMA, you cannot be on the internet and on the phone at the same time.
If I am incorrect, I am sure someone will correct me!
KD8FRE
that is correct. It's not possible on CDMA.
Wow. Interesting.
I guess there's a map for that in AT&T's future.
Thanks all - appreciate it.
-D
I never really noticed any kind of problems with it. I can make a phone call while my phone is tethered and I can still also receive calls, I think it probably temporally boots you off 3G during the phone call but put you back on right after.
Yeah EVDO is "1x Evolution Data Only/Optimized" which means that once a voice call comes in you are switched to 1X mode.
The latest SVDO specification (recently released) allows carriers to quadruple their voice calls and also allows data and voice at the same time. However nobody has implemented this yet.
I believe no one will implement this.... Because all providers are going HSPA or right to LTE... Where we will be able to have data and voice at the same time.
3G - voice and data
You can talk and surf the internet but only if you establish a Wifi connection
relicsoul said:
You can talk and surf the internet but only if you establish a Wifi connection
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or if you use VoIP
Seriously though, what's the benefit of having an internet connection going at the same times as making a phone call? Please note, I'm not trying to be rude about this, I'm just curious about it.
Doesn't navigation(on sprint) use the internet? Im able to talk on the phone and still use navigation
There are some "live caller id" services which will do an online 411 lookup for any number that calls you, plus it's nice to be able to browse the internet to look something up while talking with someone (usually handsfree) for example if we're trying to decide on a movie or dinner or where to go out - all very handy to have a simultaneous internet and voice connection.
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Seriously though, what's the benefit of having an internet connection going at the same times as making a phone call? Please note, I'm not trying to be rude about this, I'm just curious about it.
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Two big ones:
1. Conference calls with email coming in. Like - your next meeting has been moved (exchange, push).
2. On phone call - someone asks a question that needs internet connection (I found it this way - they asked what the weather would be like on Sat (it was Monday). I said... hold on a sec... I'll find out... then realized that there is no internet... so I pulled my iPhone out of my pocket and checked it instead. Again - this is something that AT&T does today - just didn't think CDMA was behind the curve on it...
-Daniel
Cool, thanks for showing me the light
My problem (with Sprint) when I had to have a CDMA device is that there is a difference in signal between EVDO and 1X. For instance, I had full signal for EV, but hardly any for 1X... Thus I could be on data all I want, but I had troubles with phone calls....
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Seriously though, what's the benefit of having an internet connection going at the same times as making a phone call? Please note, I'm not trying to be rude about this, I'm just curious about it.
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yeah honey, i'll meet you ... where was that? let me punch it in my google maps... o wait CDMA FAIL
Is there a program out there that will allow you to use programs that require wifi or 3g on the edge network? I know on my iPhone they made a program called 3g unrestrictor and tricker 3g. I want to use some IM programs and skype when my phone switches over to edge network when I'm out of reach of the 3g network. Any help would be awesome!
Huh?
All programs I've used take whatever is available, be it wifi, or data (3G or EDGE are not differentiated by programs AFAIK, they're both "data").
same here
how long u had that problem
Well, I think it was just coincidence or something because every time I tried to open a couple of programs when the phone was on edge they weren't working. Being that I just swapped over from an iPhone and it was an issue with that phone I figured this one needed the same kind of thing.
I know for some the title is a little contradicting, but here is what I am looking for:
I would like to turn off calls and sms, and enable only mobile data (3g). Airplane mode is not good for this as it turns off mobile data. I have done this on an old windows mobile phone I used to have (motorola q) but I haven't found much info on android for this. I know some people have also asked the same question but no answer (forums.androidcentral.com/htc-evo-4g/61387-how-turn-off-cell-phone-radio.html).
I have an Samsung exhibit 2, it's on gingerbread.
I am wondering if it isn't as simple as to replace the normal phone apks with the ones from a tablet (since tablets cannot make voice calls or sms) was anyone tried this? Maybe can point me to a place to try? I think the apks to replace would be the 2 being discussed here:
android.stackexchange.com/questions/7133/how-do-i-turn-off-the-cellular-radio-without-disabling-bluetooth
Thank you.
Tablets can make voice calls AFAIK. Although one looks very stupid holding a large pad onto the ear. Normally, it goes to Loudspeaker by default.
Anyways, what you are looking for might not be in Android. From the look of it, this is a driver feature. So if the drivers of the phone's radio does not support this feature it might not be possible.
Anyways, is it possible to do this in real GSM radios? Isn't GPRS in the same band as in Voice calls? I'm not sure about HSPA.
Why would you want to do that?
Do you just want to disable texting and calls? (You could just ignore them?), or you could just use Wifi.
In older phones (like 2g and basic cell phones), they did not have mobile data, so all they had was the cellular radio. In newer phones though, the cellular radio and 3g/4g is the same piece of hardware, so it is not possible, as far as I am aware, to disable one or the other selectively. Sorry
If you're own a sprint phone and try to download a phone call can break the connection. I am also looking for a way to temp disable the cell radio while downloading.
"Juice" might do it. I know some of the battery saver apps will allow this customization where you can have data only, radio off, radio on data off...etc