Hi,
I recently bought a Kaiser. I think it's great. Only thing missing is an FM radio. Or is it?
I think it's accurate to say that the only real difference between the Kaiser and the Polaris is the keyboard. They have the same Qualcomm chipset, same amount of memory, the lot. So why then does the Polaris have an FM radio and the Kaiser does not?
Does anybody know if anybody has attempted to "lift" the radio programs out of the Polaris for testing in the Kaiser?
Alan
Dublin, Ireland
Most of us are still waiting for the polaris to be officialy released
arabbitte said:
So why then does the Polaris have an FM radio and the Kaiser does not?
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Kaiser is supposed to be a "Professional" device and FM Radio is not one of it's features.
arabbitte said:
Does anybody know if anybody has attempted to "lift" the radio programs out of the Polaris for testing in the Kaiser?
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This is not possible because it is not only software but mostly hardware issue.
> Kaiser is supposed to be a "Professional" device and FM Radio is not one of it's features.
Hey, I'm a "professional" and I want a radio ;-)
>This is not possible because it is not only software but mostly hardware issue.
Ok, but as far as I know the hardware is identical, so this means it should just be missing software.
Hmm..
Just because the chipset and memory is identical, doesnt mean the rest of the hardware is identical.
Anyways.. I think O2's version of the Kaiser has radio. Go check it out.
yeah fm radio require a whole different radio chip compared to gsm
software is not enough to change it so gsm/umts at <800Ghz and are digital start recieving analog signals at around 100Ghz
MasK said:
Hmm..
Just because the chipset and memory is identical, doesnt mean the rest of the hardware is identical.
Anyways.. I think O2's version of the Kaiser has radio. Go check it out.
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Ο2 is identical to Kaiser... which means that this was a mistyping error. O2 version does not have FM radio and most sites have corrected their previous posts.
Rudegar said:
yeah fm radio require a whole different radio chip compared to gsm
software is not enough to change it so gsm/umts at <800Ghz and are digital start recieving analog signals at around 100Ghz
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Understood, but do you remember when the Trinity (aka 3600) was updated after launch with GPS? It had GPS all the time, but it wasn't activated on the original models.
I know the Polaris and Kaiser have the same hardware and only appear to differ with the keyboard. So if GPS can be activated on the Trinity, why not FM Radio on the Kaiser?
I'm assuming the FM on the Polaris is not built in to the headset ...
arabbitte said:
Understood, but do you remember when the Trinity (aka 3600) was updated after launch with GPS? It had GPS all the time, but it wasn't activated on the original models.
I know the Polaris and Kaiser have the same hardware and only appear to differ with the keyboard. So if GPS can be activated on the Trinity, why not FM Radio on the Kaiser?
I'm assuming the FM on the Polaris is not built in to the headset ...
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Trinity always had built-in GPS. Kaiser does not have FM Radio built-in. I don't want to disappoint you but this is the truth my friend.
athanaso77 said:
Trinity always had built-in GPS. Kaiser does not have FM Radio built-in. I don't want to disappoint you but this is the truth my friend.
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Oh dear
This is the first time I heard that there are actually hardware differences that would prevent FM radio functionality from being available on the Kaiser. It sounds like you know what you are talking about - I assumed that the Qualcom chipset that is common to both would mean FM radio was possible on the Kaiser. Does the Polaris have a different or upgraded chipset to the Kaiser or does the FM radio come from additional hardware?
Go on, I can handle the truth (albeit with considerable difficulty ...)
the radio only seem to work when the headset is connected
meaning that it use the headset wire as antenne which mean
that even if the fm radio was in the cpu not having wireing to an
antenna would mean that it could not recieve radio
Rudegar said:
the radio only seem to work when the headset is connected
meaning that it use the headset wire as antenne which mean
that even if the fm radio was in the cpu not having wireing to an
antenna would mean that it could not recieve radio
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I think all FM-equipped phones work like this. A friends 3300 has a headset just like my Kaiser. So no problems having to use the supplied headset then.
So, if not in the Qualcomm 7200 and not in the headset, just where is the FM?
a phone have more components then it's main cpu and the headset
if you look in the various wiki's for devices where they are opened
it's full of various IC's
if Qualcomm 7200 is not spec'd as having fm radio on Qualcomm's site
htc put another fm radio chip on the pcb to handle the fm radio
fm radio is a pretty old teck so i would understand why Qualcomm would not put too much work into having it on chip
Exactly!!!
Rudegar said:
if Qualcomm 7200 is not spec'd as having fm radio on Qualcomm's site
htc put another fm radio chip on the pcb to handle the fm radio
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Look, I know I'm sounding desperate here, but you do say if. I have actually looked at the schematics for the 7200 but there is so much detail, it's impossible for me to see if/where FM radio functionality might be lurking.
So, do we know for a fact that FM radio is not part of the 7200? (Forgive my pedantic questioning - I'm desperate! ;-))
cant say 100% but all the techs are listed and fm is not so i would guess another chip is used
http://www.cdmatech.com/platforms/convergenceplatform/msm7200_chipset_solution.jsp#top
http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm7200_chipset.pdf
you can look in wiki for pcb pics of the other devices with fm to see if you can see a fm chip on any of their pcb's
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LSo, do we know for a fact that FM radio is not part of the 7200? (Forgive my pedantic questioning - I'm desperate! ;-))
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Why don't you buy this?
Rudegar said:
you can look in wiki for pcb pics of the other devices with fm to see if you can see a fm chip on any of their pcb's
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I had a quick look, but didn't see anything. Then again, I'm not an expert ...
Now that some time has passed since the last update in this thread, is anybody out there any more knowlegable about the possibility of an "FM extract" ?
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Why don't you buy this?
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I had a look and it's an interesting device, but ...
No screen interface, station selection a bit bit and miss
Bigger than just headphones
I already have a Jabra wireless for car use, so this is overapping functionality
(my biggest issue)It needs it's own seperate power supply for recharging purposes. I'm big into convergence (that's why I bought the Kaiser!) so this is a no no
Some progress on this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355524&page=210#2095
Now, it's not working. Yet.
Anyone have any comments on the possibility of the Polaris headset having something in it that the Kaiser's doesn't - & thus preventing the FM application from working in Kaiserland?
The thing is, I still find it hard to understand why HTC would change or add to the hardware of the Polaris just to get FM working - especially when the target audience for the 2 devices cannot be that different. Surely there is a big cost to make any mods on a standard platform?
But of course, this could simply be wishfull thinking on my side
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Ok as the heading stated we just need some people to test this radio especially if they have another device with built in Radio.
I Have managed to extract it from a Polaris Rom and compiled it into a cab.
So far it install ok [ Multimedia Folder] When activated it ask for headset to be plugged in [ this is why I believe its has to do with the Headset ] But nothing happens when the kaiser headset is plugged in.
HTC_Radio_1_5_1722_2131
Please provide feedback and help if can.
Thankyou, sir..
Artemis
Hi,
tested without hands free, got please insert FM antenna.
Inserted the Artemis Hands free Kit. Then nothing, no warning and the App would not lauch. Any ideas?
I can borrow a HF kit for the next 50 mins or so.
Same here dutty.
It asks for headset, but when you plug it in, nothing happens.
johanromijn said:
Same here dutty.
It asks for headset, but when you plug it in, nothing happens.
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Ditto
johanromijn said:
Same here dutty.
It asks for headset, but when you plug it in, nothing happens.
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I'm wondering if the polaris headset is compatable with the kaisers as this would let us know directly.
I get this message;
"Your wired headset serves as an FM antenna. PLug in the headset and tap Retry to continue."
Would the settngs of the XML file have anything todo with it??
I know very little about such things!!
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I'm wondering if the polaris headset is compatable with the kaisers as this would let us know directly.
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Do you know anyone with one? I might be able to borrow one off a friend who works in the o2 shop - but they are not out yet..
WOW... this is realy awsom
Thank you Dutty!
If you need help......
Cheers,
Leo
Does the Kaiser have a radio tuner?
according to the wiring diagram for the Kaiser, there is no radio tuner for FM radio... not sure how this would be possible then...
firstbuddha said:
according to the wiring diagram for the Kaiser, there is no radio tuner for FM radio... not sure how this would be possible then...
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just a wild stab...anyone tried a bluetooth headset or headphones?
Possible
Have a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=338238 it discusses the fact the Polaris and Kaiser have the same Chipset which in theory could support FM radio.
Typically, for a phone to work as an FM radio, the wired headset has to be plugged in to act as the antenna. Bluetooth headsets won't work, as there's no cable to receive the radio signal.
Similarly, if the usb port on the phone isn't wired up to the FM radio hardware inside, it's never going to receive a signal either.
I don't think anything's going to come of this, but I commend Dutty for trying.
duncstar said:
Would the settngs of the XML file have anything todo with it??
I know very little about such things!!
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I will have another run through the registries to see if I can find anything else regarding he radio. Someone told me its the same with some other phone, that the tuner is build it the headset so I feel 85% that this coulld work for the kaiser with the same headset as the polaris
DaveShaw said:
Have a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=338238 it discusses the fact the Polaris and Kaiser have the same Chipset which in theory could support FM radio.
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Would it be possible that the Polaris has another chip for FM? I dunno just a wild guess. I want FM too, but it doesn't make sense that it doesn't work. I just let my friend borrow my Tilt (he's going out of town and needed GPS); so I'm unable to test at the moment, but will do when I get it back. Since I got a Tilt it didn't come with a headset, but I have one of those extUSB to female 3.5mm things from eBay that I've been using with my Trinity. We'll see how it goes.
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Typically, for a phone to work as an FM radio, the wired headset has to be plugged in to act as the antenna. Bluetooth headsets won't work, as there's no cable to receive the radio signal.
Similarly, if the usb port on the phone isn't wired up to the FM radio hardware inside, it's never going to receive a signal either.
I don't think anything's going to come of this, but I commend Dutty for trying.
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Your absolutely right but the kaiser and polaris is almost the same,
If I told you I flash a polaris rom on my kaiser with just changing some drivers and I flash it without editing it and it booted and worked 100%
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Would it be possible that the Polaris has another chip for FM? I dunno just a wild guess. I want FM too, but it doesn't make sense that it doesn't work. I just let my friend borrow my Tilt (he's going out of town and needed GPS); so I'm unable to test at the moment, but will do when I get it back. Since I got a Tilt it didn't come with a headset, but I have one of those extUSB to female 3.5mm things from eBay that I've been using with my Trinity. We'll see how it goes.
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Having read the thread the both use the same chipset and no-one can see an extra chip for FM. It's way above my head though. . I imagine you need to get the radio to recognise the antenna and all should work... Dutty...?
Another Possibilty is that its dependant on a specific Rom Radio like before with gps
So thus far there is no FM radio cab on the Touch pro from sprint.
If you are interested in the sprint diamond, there is a fix for that in the diamond forums both here and at ppcgeeks.
If you are interested in a fix for the Fuze:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2692292&postcount=204
from what i under stand that works..
For a current discussion of the FM radio on the Sprint Touch Pro:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=49654
wont flashing a different ROM do the trick?
RavenY2K3 said:
wont flashing a different ROM do the trick?
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I don't think there is a rom out there yet for the Sprint Touch Pro - it's a CDMA phone so none of the existing roms will work on it (I assume?).
Any luck with this anyone
no luck
Just loaded the cab i found in one of the threads. installed on my sprint touch pro and loaded fine. but would not play. I think they removed the hardware.
benthere06 said:
Just loaded the cab i found in one of the threads. installed on my sprint touch pro and loaded fine. but would not play. I think they removed the hardware.
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Did you have headphones plugged in? On the Fuze I had to install the cab and plug the headphones in before the program would run because it uses the headphones as an antenna.
yeah i plugged them in. it did say i needed to do it before hand but no luck, just shows that little colorful circle waiting icon. I assume it is searching for a signal or something and then will just sit there and nothing works. Maybe that is why the unit is a smidge smaller than the gsm version.
Same thing here, app installs fine but doesn't do anything.
same here but how about the headphones with built in fm radio antenna has anyone tried those and see if it works?
leoiden said:
same here but how about the headphones with built in fm radio antenna has anyone tried those and see if it works?
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It shouldn't matter. On the Fuze I just plugged in a pair of iPod earbuds and the FM radio worked great.
Don't want to kill the buzz, but my understanding is that Sprint took it a step further than AT&T and neutered the phone to remove the radio chip so there is no software solution...
bugsykoosh said:
Don't want to kill the buzz, but my understanding is that Sprint took it a step further than AT&T and neutered the phone to remove the radio chip so there is no software solution...
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I don't think so. They took the same exact hardware that AT&T did except that the mold is different (appearance). It is probably only restricted by software. Try installing the cab for the fm radio. It could possibly work.
I installed the cab and it wouldn't work on my sprint touch pro.
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I don't think so. They took the same exact hardware that AT&T did except that the mold is different (appearance). It is probably only restricted by software. Try installing the cab for the fm radio. It could possibly work.
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I installed the FM Radio App on my Touch Pro and, with the headphones plugged, the app starts, waits for a little bit, and then I get an "Unspecified Error".
Do we know for a fact that the FM circuitry has been removed? Is there a driver that needs to be installed in Windows Mobile? Could the radio be re-enabled via a change in the firmware?
Chris
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I installed the FM Radio App on my Touch Pro and, with the headphones plugged, the app starts, waits for a little bit, and then I get an "Unspecified Error".
Do we know for a fact that the FM circuitry has been removed? Is there a driver that needs to be installed in Windows Mobile? Could the radio be re-enabled via a change in the firmware?
Chris
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It could be the FM Radio is specific to the GSM versions of the phone. But we need a tech person to prove that.
im curious to see what the answer to this question is. i would like to have fm radio in conjunction to my sirius subscription
Kraize92 said:
I don't think so. They took the same exact hardware that AT&T did except that the mold is different (appearance). It is probably only restricted by software. Try installing the cab for the fm radio. It could possibly work.
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I wouldn't say that. Along with changing from GSM to CDMA cellular radios they could have changed virtually anything. At this point there is no telling wether the hardware is present or not. I'd love an FM radio on my Sprint Pro, but I'm not too optimistic.
I wanted the radio, too. But as a pratical matter, I doubt it would have worked too well unless you were right on top of the station. I find I can listen to most of the radio I want using Kinoma's media guide. It's wonderful. I'm still hoping someone discovers a way to activate the radio. How ignorant of Sprint to disable it.....
Why is it always SOMETHING with every Sprint phone? Why do they always have to disable something? What good does it do them to disable the FM radio?
bigray327 said:
Why is it always SOMETHING with every Sprint phone? Why do they always have to disable something? What good does it do them to disable the FM radio?
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Well thats a no brainer there bud...if we all had the FM Radio working thanks to this new HTC Product..then Sprint would get there ass kicked in regards to their sprint store with the music downloads and all... It takes from their profitasbility for us to have the Built in FM Radio functioning.
Hi,
I saw people here tinkering with the HD2's built-in radio antenna to get TMC broadcasts.
Is it possible to use it in order to recieve DVB broadcasts and using some kind of software which uses appropriate codecs (like TCPMP or the discontinued VLC) to watch them?
Interested to hear your thoughts...
Not possible.
one other thing...
The HD2 doesn't have a builtin radio antenna.
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Not possible.
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now comes the part where you explain why...
spastik,
what i meant was that it has the ability to recieve radio transmissions, although using headset as antenna.
what i'm asking is there any hardware limitations (lack of ability to recieve certain bands like UHF maybe) that would make it impossible. software wise, the sky is the limit - especially for XDA-DEV
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now comes the part where you explain why...
spastik,
what i meant was that it has the ability to recieve radio transmissions, although using headset as antenna.
what i'm asking is there any hardware limitations (lack of ability to recieve certain bands like UHF maybe) that would make it impossible. software wise, the sky is the limit - especially for XDA-DEV
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FM radio is in the lower band of VHF. Most television transmissions are UHF, so no, it is not possible even in software, as the hardware decoder wouldn't be able to cope with UHF frequencies.
Ok, I understand.
Thanks a lot!
Hi All,
is there any FM transmitter app out there, if so, can some one please redirect me to the right link..
i could not able to locate the file.
thanks
HD2 doesn't have an FM transmitter...
LionheartUK said:
HD2 doesn't have an FM transmitter...
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Yes it does and no a app doesn't exist yet...wish it did though
Yeah, HD2 do have hardware for FM transmitting, but unfortunately no developers are keen to built an app for it...
why does htc make phones with a lot of hardware (like fm transmitting on leo, wifi on touch dual) but doesn't activate it?!?
someone NEEDS to come up with that app
LionheartUK said:
HD2 doesn't have an FM transmitter...
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Right
HD2 doesn't have hardware for an FM transmitter
MGOoO said:
Right
HD2 doesn't have hardware for an FM transmitter
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ok then, no fm transmitter then... on some places and forums people say there is one, so i don't know what it is anymore...
some issues
Hi,
My HD2 have about 2 months when i got it
and i need to tell you that twice i had strange situation :
In my work we have a public radio connected straight to intercom.
Twice there was a strange situation when i was playing some music
with Media Player. Everyone in my work have heard the same music
that i was playing on my HD2 . Maybe it is a problem with intercom
inside my company , but signal transmitting was noticed.
Wifi was off.
I always have very poor/zero reception with my standard network ( Orange )
so i think it could be network related.
You know ...searching a network ... getting acces to intercom for a short moment
and then transmitting .
Who knows.. but its possible .
Even a HTC didn't know that someone will create a program to
change HD2 into METAL DETECTOR .
(----sorry for my language----hope you will understand-----)
Anyone out there know of a working fm tuner? I tried the Bionic version with no luck.
Sent from my XT1080m using Tapatalk
This phone lacks the necessary hardware for fm tuner
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that the Snapdragon processor supports the FM tuner but the software does not... If you were able to flash a custom kernel that supported it then it should work no problem. It's just that Google doesn't like FM tuners for some reason... same problem that the Nexus 4 had.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that the Snapdragon processor supports the FM tuner but the software does not... If you were able to flash a custom kernel that supported it then it should work no problem. It's just that Google doesn't like FM tuners for some reason... same problem that the Nexus 4 had.
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I am not 100% of where I can reference this, but I am a BIG FM radio listener during college football season, and when this was last brought up I believe the issue is that the hardware, while present, is hard coded OFF in the firmware by Verizon.
No amount of modding can turn it on, short of unlocking the bootloader.
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I am not 100% of where I can reference this, but I am a BIG FM radio listener during college football season, and when this was last brought up I believe the issue is that the hardware, while present, is hard coded OFF in the firmware by Verizon.
No amount of modding can turn it on, short of unlocking the bootloader.
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My point exactly. You would have to flash a modified kernel that supports FM tuning. I think a lot of it has to do with the Google Play Music store and their online radio stations that they offer.
TuneIn Radio has completely destroyed FM radio for me. Even on my Moto G, it just sounds clearer.
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TuneIn Radio has completely destroyed FM radio for me. Even on my Moto G, it just sounds clearer.
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I agree that is sounds clear and clean. But inside a stadium, trying to listen to play by play, a 8 second delay does more harm than good.
There is a spot for internet radio, but also FM radio as well
lawmangrant said:
I agree that is sounds clear and clean. But inside a stadium, trying to listen to play by play, a 8 second delay does more harm than good.
There is a spot for internet radio, but also FM radio as well
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If that's your main reason for it, I can see that being a big factor.
Don't know if you're willing to invest in other stuff, but the Sansa Clip is about $20-30 now and can play/record FM radio pretty well.
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If that's your main reason for it, I can see that being a big factor.
Don't know if you're willing to invest in other stuff, but the Sansa Clip is about $20-30 now and can play/record FM radio pretty well.
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I have a portable HD radio and iPad nano that both handle FM nicely. But I would love to only have to carry one device.
I just hate that Big Red continues to cripple devices to push data driven services, and then cap the data. I mean, they are making money hand over fist, but it's still annoying.
this is an old thread, but since we are now bootloader unlockable, is this FM radio thing a possibility?