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Can I have your radio ? ;-)

Hi,
I recently bought a Kaiser. I think it's great. Only thing missing is an FM radio. Or is it?
I think it's accurate to say that the only real difference between the Kaiser and the Polaris is the keyboard. They have the same Qualcomm chipset, same amount of memory, the lot. So why then does the Polaris have an FM radio and the Kaiser does not?
Does anybody know if anybody has attempted to "lift" the radio programs out of the Polaris for testing in the Kaiser?
Alan
Dublin, Ireland

Most of us are still waiting for the polaris to be officialy released

arabbitte said:
So why then does the Polaris have an FM radio and the Kaiser does not?
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Kaiser is supposed to be a "Professional" device and FM Radio is not one of it's features.
arabbitte said:
Does anybody know if anybody has attempted to "lift" the radio programs out of the Polaris for testing in the Kaiser?
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This is not possible because it is not only software but mostly hardware issue.

> Kaiser is supposed to be a "Professional" device and FM Radio is not one of it's features.
Hey, I'm a "professional" and I want a radio ;-)
>This is not possible because it is not only software but mostly hardware issue.
Ok, but as far as I know the hardware is identical, so this means it should just be missing software.

Hmm..
Just because the chipset and memory is identical, doesnt mean the rest of the hardware is identical.
Anyways.. I think O2's version of the Kaiser has radio. Go check it out.

yeah fm radio require a whole different radio chip compared to gsm
software is not enough to change it so gsm/umts at <800Ghz and are digital start recieving analog signals at around 100Ghz

MasK said:
Hmm..
Just because the chipset and memory is identical, doesnt mean the rest of the hardware is identical.
Anyways.. I think O2's version of the Kaiser has radio. Go check it out.
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Ο2 is identical to Kaiser... which means that this was a mistyping error. O2 version does not have FM radio and most sites have corrected their previous posts.

Rudegar said:
yeah fm radio require a whole different radio chip compared to gsm
software is not enough to change it so gsm/umts at <800Ghz and are digital start recieving analog signals at around 100Ghz
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Understood, but do you remember when the Trinity (aka 3600) was updated after launch with GPS? It had GPS all the time, but it wasn't activated on the original models.
I know the Polaris and Kaiser have the same hardware and only appear to differ with the keyboard. So if GPS can be activated on the Trinity, why not FM Radio on the Kaiser?
I'm assuming the FM on the Polaris is not built in to the headset ...

arabbitte said:
Understood, but do you remember when the Trinity (aka 3600) was updated after launch with GPS? It had GPS all the time, but it wasn't activated on the original models.
I know the Polaris and Kaiser have the same hardware and only appear to differ with the keyboard. So if GPS can be activated on the Trinity, why not FM Radio on the Kaiser?
I'm assuming the FM on the Polaris is not built in to the headset ...
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Trinity always had built-in GPS. Kaiser does not have FM Radio built-in. I don't want to disappoint you but this is the truth my friend.

athanaso77 said:
Trinity always had built-in GPS. Kaiser does not have FM Radio built-in. I don't want to disappoint you but this is the truth my friend.
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Oh dear
This is the first time I heard that there are actually hardware differences that would prevent FM radio functionality from being available on the Kaiser. It sounds like you know what you are talking about - I assumed that the Qualcom chipset that is common to both would mean FM radio was possible on the Kaiser. Does the Polaris have a different or upgraded chipset to the Kaiser or does the FM radio come from additional hardware?
Go on, I can handle the truth (albeit with considerable difficulty ...)

the radio only seem to work when the headset is connected
meaning that it use the headset wire as antenne which mean
that even if the fm radio was in the cpu not having wireing to an
antenna would mean that it could not recieve radio

Rudegar said:
the radio only seem to work when the headset is connected
meaning that it use the headset wire as antenne which mean
that even if the fm radio was in the cpu not having wireing to an
antenna would mean that it could not recieve radio
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I think all FM-equipped phones work like this. A friends 3300 has a headset just like my Kaiser. So no problems having to use the supplied headset then.
So, if not in the Qualcomm 7200 and not in the headset, just where is the FM?

a phone have more components then it's main cpu and the headset
if you look in the various wiki's for devices where they are opened
it's full of various IC's
if Qualcomm 7200 is not spec'd as having fm radio on Qualcomm's site
htc put another fm radio chip on the pcb to handle the fm radio
fm radio is a pretty old teck so i would understand why Qualcomm would not put too much work into having it on chip

Exactly!!!

Rudegar said:
if Qualcomm 7200 is not spec'd as having fm radio on Qualcomm's site
htc put another fm radio chip on the pcb to handle the fm radio
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Look, I know I'm sounding desperate here, but you do say if. I have actually looked at the schematics for the 7200 but there is so much detail, it's impossible for me to see if/where FM radio functionality might be lurking.
So, do we know for a fact that FM radio is not part of the 7200? (Forgive my pedantic questioning - I'm desperate! ;-))

cant say 100% but all the techs are listed and fm is not so i would guess another chip is used
http://www.cdmatech.com/platforms/convergenceplatform/msm7200_chipset_solution.jsp#top
http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm7200_chipset.pdf
you can look in wiki for pcb pics of the other devices with fm to see if you can see a fm chip on any of their pcb's

arabbitte said:
LSo, do we know for a fact that FM radio is not part of the 7200? (Forgive my pedantic questioning - I'm desperate! ;-))
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Why don't you buy this?

Rudegar said:
you can look in wiki for pcb pics of the other devices with fm to see if you can see a fm chip on any of their pcb's
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I had a quick look, but didn't see anything. Then again, I'm not an expert ...
Now that some time has passed since the last update in this thread, is anybody out there any more knowlegable about the possibility of an "FM extract" ?

athanaso77 said:
Why don't you buy this?
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I had a look and it's an interesting device, but ...
No screen interface, station selection a bit bit and miss
Bigger than just headphones
I already have a Jabra wireless for car use, so this is overapping functionality
(my biggest issue)It needs it's own seperate power supply for recharging purposes. I'm big into convergence (that's why I bought the Kaiser!) so this is a no no

Some progress on this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355524&page=210#2095
Now, it's not working. Yet.
Anyone have any comments on the possibility of the Polaris headset having something in it that the Kaiser's doesn't - & thus preventing the FM application from working in Kaiserland?
The thing is, I still find it hard to understand why HTC would change or add to the hardware of the Polaris just to get FM working - especially when the target audience for the 2 devices cannot be that different. Surely there is a big cost to make any mods on a standard platform?
But of course, this could simply be wishfull thinking on my side

[Jan 11] Public Call For helping To Get FM Radio to work for kaiser [ Cab Available]

Ok as the heading stated we just need some people to test this radio especially if they have another device with built in Radio.
I Have managed to extract it from a Polaris Rom and compiled it into a cab.
So far it install ok [ Multimedia Folder] When activated it ask for headset to be plugged in [ this is why I believe its has to do with the Headset ] But nothing happens when the kaiser headset is plugged in.
HTC_Radio_1_5_1722_2131
Please provide feedback and help if can.

Thankyou, sir..

Artemis
Hi,
tested without hands free, got please insert FM antenna.
Inserted the Artemis Hands free Kit. Then nothing, no warning and the App would not lauch. Any ideas?
I can borrow a HF kit for the next 50 mins or so.

Same here dutty.
It asks for headset, but when you plug it in, nothing happens.

johanromijn said:
Same here dutty.
It asks for headset, but when you plug it in, nothing happens.
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Ditto

johanromijn said:
Same here dutty.
It asks for headset, but when you plug it in, nothing happens.
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I'm wondering if the polaris headset is compatable with the kaisers as this would let us know directly.

I get this message;
"Your wired headset serves as an FM antenna. PLug in the headset and tap Retry to continue."

Would the settngs of the XML file have anything todo with it??
I know very little about such things!!

duttythroy said:
I'm wondering if the polaris headset is compatable with the kaisers as this would let us know directly.
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Do you know anyone with one? I might be able to borrow one off a friend who works in the o2 shop - but they are not out yet..

WOW... this is realy awsom
Thank you Dutty!
If you need help......
Cheers,
Leo

Does the Kaiser have a radio tuner?

according to the wiring diagram for the Kaiser, there is no radio tuner for FM radio... not sure how this would be possible then...

firstbuddha said:
according to the wiring diagram for the Kaiser, there is no radio tuner for FM radio... not sure how this would be possible then...
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just a wild stab...anyone tried a bluetooth headset or headphones?

Possible
Have a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=338238 it discusses the fact the Polaris and Kaiser have the same Chipset which in theory could support FM radio.

Typically, for a phone to work as an FM radio, the wired headset has to be plugged in to act as the antenna. Bluetooth headsets won't work, as there's no cable to receive the radio signal.
Similarly, if the usb port on the phone isn't wired up to the FM radio hardware inside, it's never going to receive a signal either.
I don't think anything's going to come of this, but I commend Dutty for trying.

duncstar said:
Would the settngs of the XML file have anything todo with it??
I know very little about such things!!
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I will have another run through the registries to see if I can find anything else regarding he radio. Someone told me its the same with some other phone, that the tuner is build it the headset so I feel 85% that this coulld work for the kaiser with the same headset as the polaris

DaveShaw said:
Have a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=338238 it discusses the fact the Polaris and Kaiser have the same Chipset which in theory could support FM radio.
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Would it be possible that the Polaris has another chip for FM? I dunno just a wild guess. I want FM too, but it doesn't make sense that it doesn't work. I just let my friend borrow my Tilt (he's going out of town and needed GPS); so I'm unable to test at the moment, but will do when I get it back. Since I got a Tilt it didn't come with a headset, but I have one of those extUSB to female 3.5mm things from eBay that I've been using with my Trinity. We'll see how it goes.

dan13l said:
Typically, for a phone to work as an FM radio, the wired headset has to be plugged in to act as the antenna. Bluetooth headsets won't work, as there's no cable to receive the radio signal.
Similarly, if the usb port on the phone isn't wired up to the FM radio hardware inside, it's never going to receive a signal either.
I don't think anything's going to come of this, but I commend Dutty for trying.
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Your absolutely right but the kaiser and polaris is almost the same,
If I told you I flash a polaris rom on my kaiser with just changing some drivers and I flash it without editing it and it booted and worked 100%

sniperess said:
Would it be possible that the Polaris has another chip for FM? I dunno just a wild guess. I want FM too, but it doesn't make sense that it doesn't work. I just let my friend borrow my Tilt (he's going out of town and needed GPS); so I'm unable to test at the moment, but will do when I get it back. Since I got a Tilt it didn't come with a headset, but I have one of those extUSB to female 3.5mm things from eBay that I've been using with my Trinity. We'll see how it goes.
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Having read the thread the both use the same chipset and no-one can see an extra chip for FM. It's way above my head though. . I imagine you need to get the radio to recognise the antenna and all should work... Dutty...?

Another Possibilty is that its dependant on a specific Rom Radio like before with gps

FM Radio on Sprint Touch Pro/Diamond

So thus far there is no FM radio cab on the Touch pro from sprint.
If you are interested in the sprint diamond, there is a fix for that in the diamond forums both here and at ppcgeeks.
If you are interested in a fix for the Fuze:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2692292&postcount=204
from what i under stand that works..
For a current discussion of the FM radio on the Sprint Touch Pro:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=49654

wont flashing a different ROM do the trick?

RavenY2K3 said:
wont flashing a different ROM do the trick?
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I don't think there is a rom out there yet for the Sprint Touch Pro - it's a CDMA phone so none of the existing roms will work on it (I assume?).

Any luck with this anyone

no luck
Just loaded the cab i found in one of the threads. installed on my sprint touch pro and loaded fine. but would not play. I think they removed the hardware.

benthere06 said:
Just loaded the cab i found in one of the threads. installed on my sprint touch pro and loaded fine. but would not play. I think they removed the hardware.
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Did you have headphones plugged in? On the Fuze I had to install the cab and plug the headphones in before the program would run because it uses the headphones as an antenna.

yeah i plugged them in. it did say i needed to do it before hand but no luck, just shows that little colorful circle waiting icon. I assume it is searching for a signal or something and then will just sit there and nothing works. Maybe that is why the unit is a smidge smaller than the gsm version.

Same thing here, app installs fine but doesn't do anything.

same here but how about the headphones with built in fm radio antenna has anyone tried those and see if it works?

leoiden said:
same here but how about the headphones with built in fm radio antenna has anyone tried those and see if it works?
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It shouldn't matter. On the Fuze I just plugged in a pair of iPod earbuds and the FM radio worked great.

Don't want to kill the buzz, but my understanding is that Sprint took it a step further than AT&T and neutered the phone to remove the radio chip so there is no software solution...

bugsykoosh said:
Don't want to kill the buzz, but my understanding is that Sprint took it a step further than AT&T and neutered the phone to remove the radio chip so there is no software solution...
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I don't think so. They took the same exact hardware that AT&T did except that the mold is different (appearance). It is probably only restricted by software. Try installing the cab for the fm radio. It could possibly work.

I installed the cab and it wouldn't work on my sprint touch pro.

Kraize92 said:
I don't think so. They took the same exact hardware that AT&T did except that the mold is different (appearance). It is probably only restricted by software. Try installing the cab for the fm radio. It could possibly work.
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I installed the FM Radio App on my Touch Pro and, with the headphones plugged, the app starts, waits for a little bit, and then I get an "Unspecified Error".
Do we know for a fact that the FM circuitry has been removed? Is there a driver that needs to be installed in Windows Mobile? Could the radio be re-enabled via a change in the firmware?
Chris

dunawayc said:
I installed the FM Radio App on my Touch Pro and, with the headphones plugged, the app starts, waits for a little bit, and then I get an "Unspecified Error".
Do we know for a fact that the FM circuitry has been removed? Is there a driver that needs to be installed in Windows Mobile? Could the radio be re-enabled via a change in the firmware?
Chris
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It could be the FM Radio is specific to the GSM versions of the phone. But we need a tech person to prove that.

im curious to see what the answer to this question is. i would like to have fm radio in conjunction to my sirius subscription

Kraize92 said:
I don't think so. They took the same exact hardware that AT&T did except that the mold is different (appearance). It is probably only restricted by software. Try installing the cab for the fm radio. It could possibly work.
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I wouldn't say that. Along with changing from GSM to CDMA cellular radios they could have changed virtually anything. At this point there is no telling wether the hardware is present or not. I'd love an FM radio on my Sprint Pro, but I'm not too optimistic.

I wanted the radio, too. But as a pratical matter, I doubt it would have worked too well unless you were right on top of the station. I find I can listen to most of the radio I want using Kinoma's media guide. It's wonderful. I'm still hoping someone discovers a way to activate the radio. How ignorant of Sprint to disable it.....

Why is it always SOMETHING with every Sprint phone? Why do they always have to disable something? What good does it do them to disable the FM radio?

bigray327 said:
Why is it always SOMETHING with every Sprint phone? Why do they always have to disable something? What good does it do them to disable the FM radio?
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Well thats a no brainer there bud...if we all had the FM Radio working thanks to this new HTC Product..then Sprint would get there ass kicked in regards to their sprint store with the music downloads and all... It takes from their profitasbility for us to have the Built in FM Radio functioning.

No radio??

Hi all
I was seriously considering purchasing the nexus s when i saw that theres no mentioning of radio, and for someone who listen to radio a lot it kinda disappointed me.
is it true? will i have no radio if i buy the nexus s?

i guess you mean FM-Radio...
after all i read, is the chip fm-enabled, but the OS is not. so you would probably have to wait like on the Nexus One till some guys enable the FM software sided with an app or so!

mazinya said:
...is it true? will i have no radio if i buy the nexus s?
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No Fm.Radio is a disappointment
Sent from my Nexus One

Just use iheart radio or pandora if u have unlimited data iheart has local fm stations
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App

xrizwan said:
Just use iheart radio or pandora if u have unlimited data iheart has local fm stations
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Personally, I don't care about the FM radio, but your suggested solution isn't a complete one for a few reasons:
1) iHeart doesn't include all FM stations, pandora doesn't include any, I'm not sure Wunderradio has them all either (do all stations simulcast on the net?).
2) I think a full time data connection streaming is going to use more juice than an FM radio receiver. iHeart chews through my battery pretty quickly.
3) An FM radio should receive a signal in places that you may not get a stable data connection.
All the other options available to us are the reason I don't care about FM radio (commercials suck on FM radio), but for some it's still the preferred choice (maybe they like a particular DJ or morning crew...

Yes, i mean FM radio and i kinda listen to it a lot. This is realy disappointing to me. I also assume that enabling the chip means i will have to root the phone in order to use it right? which is something i also didnt want to do... guess i will have to wait for the next phone to come, choose something else or just compromise on the FM radio which is unlikely

rori~ said:
No Fm.Radio is a disappointment
Sent from my Nexus One
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Yeah, but does any SGS have FM?

theimpaler747 said:
Yeah, but does any SGS have FM?
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Yes, the i9000 does, out of the box. I think the Vibrant (T-Mo version) does, too.

I found this great Android app 'TuneIn Radio' on AppBrain: http://www.appbrain.com/app/tunein.player
This Should Help... All Radio Stations should be there and all it uses is Data.. For Free! Yay! =)
Sent From a Crop Circle... with a Nexus S

Use Android phone as a real FM walkie talkie?

Hey
I wanted to know if it was possible to use the FM transmiter in some Android phones and use the phone as a real FM walkie talkie. Thanks.

Thats sounds impossible to me. Since the broadcom chip onbaord is FM RX only.

taranfx said:
Thats sounds impossible to me. Since the broadcom chip onbaord is FM RX only.
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Only recieves? Wasnt sure of that.
Thanks

riahc3 said:
Hey
I wanted to know if it was possible to use the FM transmiter in some Android phones and use the phone as a real FM walkie talkie. Thanks.
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I was just asking myself exactly the same. :'(
Did u finally find it ??