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When inserting a text symbol using the symbol page (hold the # key on keypad or Fn + Sym keys on keyboard), the symbol gets inserted followed by a carriage return (enter). This is extremely annoying and severely limits my SSH / command line usage (can't insert a symbol without an enter).
Does anyone else have this problem? Is it a WM6 problem or is it just my S710? Is there a fix or is it embedded in the ROM?
Yeah, I am also suffering from that in some apps. Don't know if there is a fix.
There is no problem, but it irritates. You must select the symbol by space button: "_/#" on main keyboard or "Space" on QWERTY-keyboard
Experienced this with my Dash before, must be a software conflict, after uninstalling some apps, it worked fine since then...
So you use space/# on keypad or space on keyboard to select the symbol instead of enter. Just tried it and it works. Thanks for the tip! I wonder why this behavior was changed from WM5 to WM6? Oh well, at least there's a workaround.
Disclaimer: It's my first Windows phone - I've been a Blackberry user for a few years, and might have been conditioned to using it.
A few impressions: I like the Vox very much. Although it feels a lot slower, it has the small size, has the "normal" phone pads where the 2=ABC, 3=DEF - I missed it a lot on the Blackberry, has WiFi, a 2MP camera (which I doubt I'll use much), and a truly useful Bluetooth (the Blackberry's default profile set is painfully small)
On the other hand, there are a lot of minor things that makes using the Vox a pain compared to the Blackberry...here're my top rants:
1. I've been looking for ways to display the day of week on the home screen. Why MS leaves it out is very baffling.
2. You have to press "unlock" to unlock the phone. On the BB I could just start typing the passwords.
3. Four fixed profiles - I'd like to define new profiles, please. It should be easy?
4. Autotext: I miss tremendously the eagerness of the Blackberry to prevent me from having to hit "shift". Pressing the space can mean a dot, an @ sign, etc. at different places. Pressing and holding a key means capitalizing, double space inserts period, "br" means open bracket, etc.
5. Backspace key on the slideout keyboard is not doing what it is supposed to, at least in pocket IE and Quicknote- pressing and holding does not repeat the key, so to delete the URL on the address bar I have to press the backspace X number of times...or just hold the backspace key on the numeric keypad.
6. On each contact I have to choose "Last, First" or "First Last" instead of a global setting...WHY?
7. I thought the phone should be smart enough to enable the "traditional" English IME when the keyboard is slided out. The "smart" English IME only has its place when the phone keypad - when you have the full keyboard, why guess and force me to hit "Enter" after every word? I should be able to use the arrow keys any time to confirm what I have already typed without "Enter".
8. Those annoying sounds - Wifi turns off, initiating a call, etc. Why?
9. Networking Wizard - that tells me my carrier is not in its database, offers me "Don't ask me again" checkbox that I cannot find a way to check.
10. Ending a call does not automatically bring me back to the home screen. That's annoying.
11. No page up/page down anywhere. It's a PITA in pocket IE.
I know it's a lot of rant - I don't know which ones of these things are fixable and which aren't. After searching for a bit I know #8 is fixable via registry hacks. Don't know about anything else.
I'm really trying to move away from the trusty Blackberry, which is getting old (but holding very well after surviving countless, vigorous abuses like dropping down subway platforms, flying towards brick walls, etc.). So by putting the shortcomings of the Vox together in one message, I hope someone may point out ways to tweak/fix it.
Sorry for the long rant. I'm really trying to use the Vox - or is "life after Blackberry" an oxymoron?
Some good news:
#1 is solved. HKLM\nls\overrides, add "ddd" to SSDte. Mine is now "ddd yyyy-MM-dd" and it works perfectly. Now when I try to update the time in the setting menu, it automatically updates the DOW too!
#4 - I read there's something called "Kai's Autocorrect" - is a pay-software, but it might do what I need...anyone knows some other proggie that can replace-as-you-type?
#6 - still trying - although it looks like there's a registry hack for it.
#8 - easily fixed thru widely available reg hacks!!
#10 - I just realized it does, but I don't want the 5 seconds or so delay. Maybe there's a tweak somewhere...
#11 - Have I overlooked? Pgup/Pgdn are there - maybe I'm asking for too much to use "space" as Pgdn?
I have the problem that one of the three Danish letters is placed at the beginning of the word it is in. The other two Danish characters work fine. Maybe these Danish characters don't display right everywhere, so all through this text let's pretend it is the 'o' that doesn't work.
A sentence like 'Looking forward to solving the problem.'
becomes: 'ooLking ofrward ot oslving the oprblem.'
Not exactly expedient for meaningful communication, right!
The flow of it, letter by letter, while writing is this:
In Danish "blot" means "blue".
When tapping "bl" the two letters are displayed in the black bar and in the application.
When tapping the "o" the black bar displays "bl" and the application "o".
When tapping the "t" the black bar displays "blt" and the application "oblt". "blt" is hightlighted/selected in the application, the "o" is not.
I tried with English and Danish regional settings: Doesn't make a difference.
I would like to try it without that black bar - but I can't turn it off. I turned off all "writting help" in Settings/Input/Keyboard/Word Completion but it didn't make it go away. I really don't know what the black bar is for, cause it does not complete or suggest any words (not in Danish and not in English). Tapping the "x" on the bar only brings out a "Add My Word" label. Since I don't know what to call this black bar, please see attachment. If anybody can tell me what it is called or what it is for, I'd be glad - hard to surf for issues relating to it when I don't know what it is called :-(
Clearly, there's a bug somewhere. But I can't tell if it is in Microsoft software or in HTC software.
Facts are:
O/S: English Windows Mobile 6 Professional CE OS 5.2.1623 (build 18129.0.4.5)
ROM: 1.25.405.1 WWE (date 12/11/07)
Radio version: 1.58-21-23
Protocol version: 25.65.30.04H
What I'm trying to figure out is who has the bug?
I reported to Microsoft, who said it was a localization thing. On the HTC homepage it was not possible to select HTC Cruise P3650 in the list, but I reported to HTC anyhow, making clear in the description that it is a Cruise and so far they have only responded by asking customer info of which they had the major part from the entry on the homepage already, seems like they're just stalling me.
I want to pursue the problem to have it solved but I have to pursue it the right place.
Can anybody make out who has the bug?
If it's the keyboard, I guess it's Microsoft, right?
If it's the black bar, is it HTC?
Late breaking news
Ok, so I'm talking to myself ... but who knows - if someone else experience something like or is equally confused about input settings, perhaps this might help them, too.
I have tried to find out more about the "black bar" and come to realize these "late breaking news":
Options/Settings relating to the Keyboard (Keyboard/Word Completion tab) has no effect on anything.
The black bar is related to the Touch Keyboard and appears even if the Touch keyboard is not the selected input method and even if word completion (and all other "typing assistance" functions) is turned off for the Touch Keyboard.
Turning on Word Completion in Options/XT9 Settings for the Touch Keyboard also affects typing with the Keyboard.
Thus, turning on Word Completion for the Touch Keyboard and using the Keyboard as input method, word completion actually works and it is possible to add words - even words containing the two (out of three) Danish characters that work.
So, word completion as such works (allthough it seems that the settings and effects of these settings are kind of mixed up and criss-crossing between the various input methods) but the one Danish character still does not work - it is still placed at the beginning of the word it is in, as described in the first post.
Keyboard bug narrowed down
Entering Options for input sets Touch Keyboard back to XT9 - no matter whether it is the active input method or not and no matter whether any changes is made in the Options tabs.
Settings on the Options/Word Completion tab have no effects - no matter whether HTC Keyboard is set to XT9 or abc.
Setting the Touch Keyboard to abc disables the black word completion bar for both the Touch Keyboard and the Keyboard - also if Word Completion is selected on the Options/Word Completion tab.
With Touch Keyboard set to abc, and thus no word completion, the third Danish letter works without problems on the Keyboard.
With Touch Keyboard set to XT9 typing the third Danish letter does not work on the Keyboard.
Typing with the Keyboard while the Touch Keyboard is set to abc (third letter working) adds words with the third letter to the dictionary. Turning the XT9 on the Touch Keyboard back on and using the Keyboard, 'Word Completion' and 'Next Word Prediction' works also for words containing the third Danish letter saved in the dictionary while Touch Keyboard was set to abc.
In other words, it is not the letter as such, but the typing of the letter with XT9 activated, that is the problem.
However, I would like to stress that it is completely impossible to work-around the bug by entering all words in all occurrences with the third Danish letter in the dictionary - there are too many and it would make cleaning up the dictionary impossible.
I think I have now narrowed down the error as much as I possibly could, hoping it will be easy for HTC to correct it so that the letter works with word completion - not least since two out three Danish letters are already working well.
Facts on the Touch Keyboard: Touch Keyboard for Pocket PC Version 1.0 (Build 29567)
I have mailed the findings to HTC, hoping for a speedy answer and patch.
Am I the only one, who thinks the functionality-mix between the keyboard is confusing?
Is it possible to disable that black bar?
I have found that the keyboard is hard to trouble shoot. That is all I can say.. lol.
Black bar
Yes, it is possible to disable the black bar: Select the Touch Keyboard and tap the XT9 button so it becomes 'abc'.
Now the black bar is gone - also for the standard keyboard.
The XT9/Touch Keyboard has been programmed so it interfers with other keyboards, for instance it is not possible to select 'word completion' for the standard keyboard without having XT9 turned on on the Touch Keyboard.
I'd say HTC made quite a mess of it.
Just curious: have you tried TouchPal keyboard? I had a previous touch device that only had the simple keyboard, so I started using that and I like it so much that I haven't bothered to even try the new HTC keyboards.
I'm not sure if it would solve your problem, but it may be worth a try.
(you'd have to pay for the dutch version, but it sounds like it would be money well spent )
http://www.cootek.com/
No, I haven't tried TouchPal keyboard.
I also had a previous device which came with just the ordinary keyboard (which worked fine, by the way). I installed HTC Touch Phone Pad International on it to also have a more sms-friendly keyboard. This also worked fine. The functionality of the two keyboards were seperate back then.
But my current phone came pre-installed with HTC Touch Keyboard - it does not even appear in Options/Remove Programs (probably also for the best, cause I have this nagging feeling it would spoil more than "itself" if it were uninstalled since it is so mixed up with the functionality of other keyboards).
So, with a total of five preinstalled keyboards, I don't feel like getting any more ;-) and while HTC is looking into the problem I think I'll leave the phone as is until they find a solution at least.
But thanks for the tip!
I installed MagiKB Lite and have it configured the way I always do. I've been using it all day including replying to threads here on PPCGeeks and have been experiencing some lag. I have MagiKB set so that when I hold a key it enters the capitalized letter and when I double click it enters the symbol for that key.
What's happening now is that when I hold a key it will enter the lower case letter immediately followed by the capitalized letter. When I double click it enters that key's default character first immediately followed by the symbol. Not sure what to call this other than "lag".
I've messed with all the timing options in MagiKB and that hasn't fixed the lagginess.
I've also disabled all of the T9 / predictive text stuff on the Touch Pro.. I've tried all of the overlays in this thread:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=41866
After more "testing" I've found that these problems I'm experiencing happen mostly in Opera browser.
I don't use Opera browser much. I only use it when posting on vB forums. IE doesn't work when I try to post on forums. I tap on the reply box and the cursor never comes up and nothing happens when I try to type.
Hai. I'd like to know is there any replacement of original keyboard driver. Why do i like to change it? I've had lots of phones (non-wm too) and they responded to key immediately, but writing on Wizard, Vox, i-mate Jaq3 was a horrible experience. I feel when keys 'tap', so i've never need to take a look on keyboard while typing (like on computer), but i've noticed such long delays between keypress and a letter on screen. More, some keypresses are ignored in my opinion, because tapping three times '4' sometimes gives me 'h' in exchange of expected 'i'. Even overclocking does not solved my problem.
Only on Samsung i600 keys were buffered correctly, i mean that when writing a long e-mail response time was significantly longer than on message's top(when she was short), but after a short while correct letters appeared.
Here on vox keypresses are just ignored. Problem persist when usign qwerty kbd, so that's why i thought about keyboard driver.
Anyone noticed such issue?
BTW, i have orange branded e650, and i don't want to change rom because of warranty.
Please, help.
Mkay, by modifying registry's values i've understood that problem is not in keyboard driver, but in t9 dlls.
When i delete HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Tegic\eT9 (whole), keyboard seem to act normally. Of course dialpad acts only as numeric keypad, also 'fn' and 'cap' keys does not modify keyboard's behavior (even leds are not lightning up).
I srsly need to work this out. Little help would be really appreciated
I feel like writing posts to myself
Anyways, i've managed to get rid of XT9 IME.
Followind advices in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354914&page=6 I've changed HKLM\system\currentcontrolset\control\layouts\e001 0409 to phoneime.dll, ET VOILA! Dialpad response immediatly, qwerty too, but problem is that modifiers as shift and fn does not work.
Now i need to figure this out...