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How do I disable the keyboard???

Hi there,
here's a question relating to the soft-keyboard:
I noticed that with some applications (e.g. PHM reg editor) when I want to punch in a value and hit the corresponding field the keyboard will pop up (which is perfect so far). Now, the keyboard sometimes hides the OK button which I'd have to hit to accept the changes but somehow I can't convince the keyboard to go back where it came from - there's no button to disable or change it (like the "12" button you sometimes see in the bottom).
What can I do to get rid of the keyboard in such situations? Is there maybe a hardware button??
Thanks a lot

There's an icon between the soft keys on the bottom of the screen that changes according to the desired input method. Touch that and a keyboard will magically disappear, regardless of the selected input method.
The input method icon, is always displayed when there's a possibility for text input.
ps.: RTM

gnick666 said:
There's an icon between the soft keys on the bottom of the screen that changes according to the desired input method. Touch that and a keyboard will magically disappear...
ps.: RTM
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Read the manual and like I said:
There's NO icon displayed at the bottom of the screen!

Then use another program, that's the best workaround that i can come up whith..
Or there's the possibilty of a greater underlying problem that would need a Hard Reset to fix it... so far you're the first whith this problem...

Indeed, I've had this too before, try using WM6 compatbile software, I though that was my problem a few weeks ago. An example is Mozilla Minimo, which is horrible on WM6, not being able to remove the keyboard, or even better, hiding it, but not refreshing the contents behind the keyboard

SabbeRubbish said:
Indeed, I've had this too before, try using WM6 compatbile software, I though that was my problem a few weeks ago. An example is Mozilla Minimo, which is horrible on WM6, not being able to remove the keyboard, or even better, hiding it, but not refreshing the contents behind the keyboard
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Exactly, Minimo is another one of those applications that show this problem.

How about changing your default kb to something else?
There is a reg hack to disable the SIP from displaying when you put focus on any text field, but that is not a good solution for a device that doesn't have a physical kb. I use it on my Treo 750 since I don't need the SIP. However, on the TC, it would make much sense.
On a bit of a side note, I have heard that if TC owners want to use another kb besides the standard Xt9 version, you need to apply the following to disable it:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Layouts\e0010409
Ime File=\windows\compime.dll
Layout Text=COMP IME
To Turn on again
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Layouts\e0010409
Ime File=\windows\eT9Ime.dll
Layout Text=eT9 IME

Did your registry tweaks will stop pop up of any keyboard when accessing a text area?
That's what I 'm looking for. Because I installed a full screen keyboard and I use it with a button.
Thxs.

up!!!
Pleaaaaase'!

This app will keep the keyboard from poping up automatically. You can still open it manually. I've not tried it with WM6.
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/nullkeyboard.shtml

Thanks a lot!
It works!

what full screen keyboard are you using?

I use SPB full keyboard.

Is the bug from Microsoft or HTC ?

I have the problem that one of the three Danish letters is placed at the beginning of the word it is in. The other two Danish characters work fine. Maybe these Danish characters don't display right everywhere, so all through this text let's pretend it is the 'o' that doesn't work.
A sentence like 'Looking forward to solving the problem.'
becomes: 'ooLking ofrward ot oslving the oprblem.'
Not exactly expedient for meaningful communication, right!
The flow of it, letter by letter, while writing is this:
In Danish "blot" means "blue".
When tapping "bl" the two letters are displayed in the black bar and in the application.
When tapping the "o" the black bar displays "bl" and the application "o".
When tapping the "t" the black bar displays "blt" and the application "oblt". "blt" is hightlighted/selected in the application, the "o" is not.
I tried with English and Danish regional settings: Doesn't make a difference.
I would like to try it without that black bar - but I can't turn it off. I turned off all "writting help" in Settings/Input/Keyboard/Word Completion but it didn't make it go away. I really don't know what the black bar is for, cause it does not complete or suggest any words (not in Danish and not in English). Tapping the "x" on the bar only brings out a "Add My Word" label. Since I don't know what to call this black bar, please see attachment. If anybody can tell me what it is called or what it is for, I'd be glad - hard to surf for issues relating to it when I don't know what it is called :-(
Clearly, there's a bug somewhere. But I can't tell if it is in Microsoft software or in HTC software.
Facts are:
O/S: English Windows Mobile 6 Professional CE OS 5.2.1623 (build 18129.0.4.5)
ROM: 1.25.405.1 WWE (date 12/11/07)
Radio version: 1.58-21-23
Protocol version: 25.65.30.04H
What I'm trying to figure out is who has the bug?
I reported to Microsoft, who said it was a localization thing. On the HTC homepage it was not possible to select HTC Cruise P3650 in the list, but I reported to HTC anyhow, making clear in the description that it is a Cruise and so far they have only responded by asking customer info of which they had the major part from the entry on the homepage already, seems like they're just stalling me.
I want to pursue the problem to have it solved but I have to pursue it the right place.
Can anybody make out who has the bug?
If it's the keyboard, I guess it's Microsoft, right?
If it's the black bar, is it HTC?

Late breaking news
Ok, so I'm talking to myself ... but who knows - if someone else experience something like or is equally confused about input settings, perhaps this might help them, too.
I have tried to find out more about the "black bar" and come to realize these "late breaking news":
Options/Settings relating to the Keyboard (Keyboard/Word Completion tab) has no effect on anything.
The black bar is related to the Touch Keyboard and appears even if the Touch keyboard is not the selected input method and even if word completion (and all other "typing assistance" functions) is turned off for the Touch Keyboard.
Turning on Word Completion in Options/XT9 Settings for the Touch Keyboard also affects typing with the Keyboard.
Thus, turning on Word Completion for the Touch Keyboard and using the Keyboard as input method, word completion actually works and it is possible to add words - even words containing the two (out of three) Danish characters that work.
So, word completion as such works (allthough it seems that the settings and effects of these settings are kind of mixed up and criss-crossing between the various input methods) but the one Danish character still does not work - it is still placed at the beginning of the word it is in, as described in the first post.

Keyboard bug narrowed down
Entering Options for input sets Touch Keyboard back to XT9 - no matter whether it is the active input method or not and no matter whether any changes is made in the Options tabs.
Settings on the Options/Word Completion tab have no effects - no matter whether HTC Keyboard is set to XT9 or abc.
Setting the Touch Keyboard to abc disables the black word completion bar for both the Touch Keyboard and the Keyboard - also if Word Completion is selected on the Options/Word Completion tab.
With Touch Keyboard set to abc, and thus no word completion, the third Danish letter works without problems on the Keyboard.
With Touch Keyboard set to XT9 typing the third Danish letter does not work on the Keyboard.
Typing with the Keyboard while the Touch Keyboard is set to abc (third letter working) adds words with the third letter to the dictionary. Turning the XT9 on the Touch Keyboard back on and using the Keyboard, 'Word Completion' and 'Next Word Prediction' works also for words containing the third Danish letter saved in the dictionary while Touch Keyboard was set to abc.
In other words, it is not the letter as such, but the typing of the letter with XT9 activated, that is the problem.
However, I would like to stress that it is completely impossible to work-around the bug by entering all words in all occurrences with the third Danish letter in the dictionary - there are too many and it would make cleaning up the dictionary impossible.
I think I have now narrowed down the error as much as I possibly could, hoping it will be easy for HTC to correct it so that the letter works with word completion - not least since two out three Danish letters are already working well.
Facts on the Touch Keyboard: Touch Keyboard for Pocket PC Version 1.0 (Build 29567)
I have mailed the findings to HTC, hoping for a speedy answer and patch.
Am I the only one, who thinks the functionality-mix between the keyboard is confusing?

Is it possible to disable that black bar?

I have found that the keyboard is hard to trouble shoot. That is all I can say.. lol.

Black bar
Yes, it is possible to disable the black bar: Select the Touch Keyboard and tap the XT9 button so it becomes 'abc'.
Now the black bar is gone - also for the standard keyboard.
The XT9/Touch Keyboard has been programmed so it interfers with other keyboards, for instance it is not possible to select 'word completion' for the standard keyboard without having XT9 turned on on the Touch Keyboard.
I'd say HTC made quite a mess of it.

Just curious: have you tried TouchPal keyboard? I had a previous touch device that only had the simple keyboard, so I started using that and I like it so much that I haven't bothered to even try the new HTC keyboards.
I'm not sure if it would solve your problem, but it may be worth a try.
(you'd have to pay for the dutch version, but it sounds like it would be money well spent )
http://www.cootek.com/

No, I haven't tried TouchPal keyboard.
I also had a previous device which came with just the ordinary keyboard (which worked fine, by the way). I installed HTC Touch Phone Pad International on it to also have a more sms-friendly keyboard. This also worked fine. The functionality of the two keyboards were seperate back then.
But my current phone came pre-installed with HTC Touch Keyboard - it does not even appear in Options/Remove Programs (probably also for the best, cause I have this nagging feeling it would spoil more than "itself" if it were uninstalled since it is so mixed up with the functionality of other keyboards).
So, with a total of five preinstalled keyboards, I don't feel like getting any more ;-) and while HTC is looking into the problem I think I'll leave the phone as is until they find a solution at least.
But thanks for the tip!

Word Completion Fix

Found this cause I was having same problem...passing it along
To fix the Word Completion function on my Sprint HTC Touch Pro. It turns out the problem has to do with the installation of the new Full QWERTY keyboard that came with the ROM upgrade. My Word Completion was not working in Block Recognizer, the original Keyboard or the Letter Recognizer UNTIL I did this simple fix.. Here is how to do it:
* After confirming that you have the box checked for "Suggest words when entering text" in the Word Completion tab found in Settings>Input.
* Open up a new email or text message.
* Go to the bottom of the screen and change your letter input method to Full QWERTY (using the down arrow next to the "pencil", "keyboard" , etc. icon).
* In the bottom left hand corner of this Full QWERTY keyboard, just to the right of CAPS/shift button, is a button to toggle between T9 and ABC.
* Click the button and make sure that T9 appears below ABC. Apparently the opposite appears as a default setting.
* Switch back to Block Recognizer, Keyboard or Letter Recognizer and Word Completion should be active for you!

when using the keyboard this is not working . . .

Doesn't work for me either
I can't even get T9 to work with the full QWERTY keyboard...

If you install this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2914474&postcount=8
Then you can get the old fashion word completion back on your Touch pro BUT it only works for the regular keyboards (not the new Touch Pro or Compact QWERTY Keyboard) Happy tappy would work with this. You need yo soft reset after installing this.
It will put you back on the old format with the old dictionary and auto complete and auto correct...but no more pretty keyboard...

What about auto complete with the harware keyboard
Still doesn't work with the hardware keyboard, any ideas?
Found the fix here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425405

Word Completion
Same problem here, not getting word completion when typing, even though I have it turned on. I would like a fix for this.
Does anyone have word completion working?
James

word completion
was anyone able to find a fix? i have the fuze and my word completion is turned on but not working.

It does work for the physical keyboard but you still need the onscreen keyboard set to either Happy Tapping or the standard windows keyboard. it cannot be set to Full QWERTY. Also, a soft reset is required since the dictionaries go into the ROM on resets...

Whats goin on
Whats going on man!!!
Does anyone know if there is a fix for this stupid problem
I have word completion working on inputs all except the full qwerty and compact.
It works when you backspace after a few letters???
Please help someone

I seem to have an opposite problem with word completion. When I type in an email or sms, the word suggestion forces me to use its word. The change gets made automatically. Usually the word replaced is not what I wanted. I have tried unchecking the word suggestion/correction and made similar choices in Advanced Config. How can I stop this forced word replacement? Is there a registry hack that would stop this for good?

it is not working , any solutions

touchhdfreak said:
Whats going on man!!!
Does anyone know if there is a fix for this stupid problem
I have word completion working on inputs all except the full qwerty and compact.
It works when you backspace after a few letters???
Please help someone
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Same problem with me.

Remove T9 black bar!!!

Hey fellow XDA-ers.
I hope that in this thread we can unite in finding a solution for the annoying t9 input mehod, without breaking the hardware keyboard.
What's the problem:
I want to get rid of the annoying black t9 input and autocomplete bar, and use the standard WM6.1 version.
What anoys me the most is when you type an address for sending text, you start by typing first name of for instance friends who share a first name, but have different last names, , as soon as you hit space for the lastname, the person with the first name that's on top of the list gets selected..ARG
I also hate the lag it introduces.
So getting rid of the black ezinput part of the keyboard.
This can be done by replacing the eT9 values in your registry at the layout to COMP (et9IME replace by compIME and so on) and this works for soft keyboard.
However, this "fix" breaks some stuff in your hardware keyboard (the SYM key for instance stops working, also you cannot get the euro sign or the pund sign by pressing fn E or fn W)
I of course want the best of both worlds, and especially miss the sym button for getting a "\" whilst typing in shortcuts
So, I have tried so much, but haven't found a solution yet.
Does anybody know how to get this "best of both worlds" option?

Does opening up the on-screen keyboard and hitting the T9 --> ABC switch help?

nope
It doesn't use autocomplete then when typing text, but you still get the black bar at the bottom whilst entering an address, and the space-issue (filling in word after space) is introduced.
I just want the behaviour as when eT9 replaced by comp (ei. you get a couple of suggestion in your screen in light grey boxes, in stead of on bottom bar in black) but with FULL use of my hardware keyboard.
I want to do this without installing all kinds of secondary software that slows my device down, but want to solve it at the root.
Hope I am explaining the problem clearly
But thanks for the reply..
Maybe we can figure it out..

known problem
I've done the t9 compIME registry change and to me, is a must. That black bar was SO annoying and decreased effectiveness.
I have noticed the hardware keyboard does get screwy after doing this.
Using Da_G's roms, he has solved most of the problems in some of his earlier roms. I think the only problem I have currently is a non-working "cent" sign (FN+_). I'll test this again after I flash to his latest Rom.
I think he solves this by implementing SOME of the t9 files. I'll follow up with more accurate results.

player911 said:
I've done the t9 compIME registry change and to me, is a must. That black bar was SO annoying and decreased effectiveness.
I have noticed the hardware keyboard does get screwy after doing this.
Using Da_G's roms, he has solved most of the problems in some of his earlier roms. I think the only problem I have currently is a non-working "cent" sign (FN+_). I'll test this again after I flash to his latest Rom.
I think he solves this by implementing SOME of the t9 files. I'll follow up with more accurate results.
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If that's the case, making a cab, or posting the necesary files to replace would be ideal.
Does your SYM key work?
sounds like a very good start

I had this same annoying error
I managed to get it to go away by
sliding out the keyboard
whilst pressing the green FN button hit the spacebar.
This brings up a small menu, select
ABC and bingo, its sorted.
Steveb

akky66 said:
I had this same annoying error
I managed to get it to go away by
sliding out the keyboard
whilst pressing the green FN button hit the spacebar.
This brings up a small menu, select
ABC and bingo, its sorted.
Steveb
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Tnx for your input Steve.
I allready have that set up, but as you will find, it does not get rid of the black bar during txt msgs to field input, if you know what I mean.
It also gives lag on the hardware keyboard input comapred to the comp ide input method, which I find anoying.
What I really want is just the old wm input and auto complete feature without breaking my keyboard.
but as said before, thanks for the input.
This way we can narrow it down and hopefully make the problem easier to understand.
Ta...

tried editing sym files
Tried editing and replacing the txt files in windows directory,
eT9.Raphael.0409.kmap.txt and eT9DeadKeys.txt and renamint the et9 to comp, no luck.
Anybody any suggestions?

akky66 said:
I had this same annoying error
I managed to get it to go away by
sliding out the keyboard
whilst pressing the green FN button hit the spacebar.
This brings up a small menu, select
ABC and bingo, its sorted.
Steveb
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I did that and the black bar is gone! No more annoying auto-capitalizing and duplicated words! Thanks a lot!

Not quite
Smaniac said:
I did that and the black bar is gone! No more annoying auto-capitalizing and duplicated words! Thanks a lot!
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It get's rid of the black bar whilst typing a text, however whilst typing an adress in the to field, you will notice that you still get a black bar and proposed name in the bottom of your screen.
This is actually eT9 still running, and slowing down your input, trust me on this
The "old" way, you'd get the proposed names next to your to field, in a light grey box, and you could scroll through them and use the space bar without getting it to autocomplete.

I normally type the first few letters of the persons name, and then use the left and right arrow keys to gp through the matching contacts. That does the trick for me

indeed
GaZ said:
I normally type the first few letters of the persons name, and then use the left and right arrow keys to gp through the matching contacts. That does the trick for me
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It does the trick and it is how I use it now.
It's just not the solution I am looking for.
I'm a bit wierd in that way, if I see it poping up, I know it's there and it just annoys me...
Don't you just love the way things were before
But thanks for the tip.

No luck here yet
I haven't had any luck yet, anybody else?
This issue is really starting to bug me

Any luck yet with removing the T9 Black bar? I am having this problem as well.

Me too!
i want the old way with the little grey box, it was so much better. It gave a number of people when you typed in a user name for sms and it also gave better autocomplete options.

Solve for all us
Try attached CAB guys from our famous Russian PDA professional. It's remove this bar completely.

yes it worked for me on Touch HD perfectly

Works
Igoran said:
Try attached CAB guys from our famous Russian PDA professional. It's remove this bar completely.
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TY it completely rocks on Touch HD.

Does this just disable T9 on the hardware keyboard? AND, when entering a contact into sms or email you get the grey list like before?
What about T9 for soft keypad/boards? How does it function now?
I stumbled upon your thread while searching for "disable t9 hardware keyboard".
I have the same problem on my Kaiser... Installed ezinput keypad/board and now have that 'damn' black bar. I'm getting used to it like 'GaZ' but dont really like it...
<<<UPDATE: Only selected abc over t9. Black bar still there.>>>>

use different sip
im not sure if this help but wasnt this issue introduced with the diamond sip set? maybe using different sips might get rid of it. or maybe replacing the new eT9 and using the old wm6 t9 instead in wm6.1 roms. just a thought

Request Help - SIP Question

Hi,
I am just new to this pocket PC phone (just the old HTC Touch) and i tried out installing an IP Phone Keyboard program. When I wasnt happy about it, i uninstalled it but it messed up my SIP. The default standard input keyboard now is cut at the bottom (meaning i dont see the entire last row of Ctrl, space bar, etc.) but there's a black row appearing at the top of the input keyboard. It looks like the input keyboard was dragged down. Worse, the suggested words now appear at the bottom of the screen (where your normal Send or Cancel buttons are).
I really would appreciate your advise and help in getting this resolved. Dont know where to run to or whom to raise this to.
Thank you and looking forward to your response.

ailene said:
Hi,
I am just new to this pocket PC phone (just the old HTC Touch) and i tried out installing an IP Phone Keyboard program. When I wasnt happy about it, i uninstalled it but it messed up my SIP. The default standard input keyboard now is cut at the bottom (meaning i dont see the entire last row of Ctrl, space bar, etc.) but there's a black row appearing at the top of the input keyboard. It looks like the input keyboard was dragged down. Worse, the suggested words now appear at the bottom of the screen (where your normal Send or Cancel buttons are).
I really would appreciate your advise and help in getting this resolved. Dont know where to run to or whom to raise this to.
Thank you and looking forward to your response.
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Restart your PPC. After that go to settings--> input---> select default input keyboard and try.
Hope it will help.

Are you using the default keyboard?
You can install any other SIP and it should work fine even if the default keyboard's having problems.
You can also hard reset incase you don't manage anything else.
I'm not aware of a bug concerning the default keyboard showing wrong except for something which goes away after a soft reset.

Thanks very much for your responses. Unfortunately, I did all that (set keyboard as default, try installing another keyboard software, soft reset and hard reset) but the problem still persists. I am almost in the vicinity of regretting why i had this PPC.

can you specify exactly which app caused this problem?