Hey fellow XDA-ers.
I hope that in this thread we can unite in finding a solution for the annoying t9 input mehod, without breaking the hardware keyboard.
What's the problem:
I want to get rid of the annoying black t9 input and autocomplete bar, and use the standard WM6.1 version.
What anoys me the most is when you type an address for sending text, you start by typing first name of for instance friends who share a first name, but have different last names, , as soon as you hit space for the lastname, the person with the first name that's on top of the list gets selected..ARG
I also hate the lag it introduces.
So getting rid of the black ezinput part of the keyboard.
This can be done by replacing the eT9 values in your registry at the layout to COMP (et9IME replace by compIME and so on) and this works for soft keyboard.
However, this "fix" breaks some stuff in your hardware keyboard (the SYM key for instance stops working, also you cannot get the euro sign or the pund sign by pressing fn E or fn W)
I of course want the best of both worlds, and especially miss the sym button for getting a "\" whilst typing in shortcuts
So, I have tried so much, but haven't found a solution yet.
Does anybody know how to get this "best of both worlds" option?
Does opening up the on-screen keyboard and hitting the T9 --> ABC switch help?
nope
It doesn't use autocomplete then when typing text, but you still get the black bar at the bottom whilst entering an address, and the space-issue (filling in word after space) is introduced.
I just want the behaviour as when eT9 replaced by comp (ei. you get a couple of suggestion in your screen in light grey boxes, in stead of on bottom bar in black) but with FULL use of my hardware keyboard.
I want to do this without installing all kinds of secondary software that slows my device down, but want to solve it at the root.
Hope I am explaining the problem clearly
But thanks for the reply..
Maybe we can figure it out..
known problem
I've done the t9 compIME registry change and to me, is a must. That black bar was SO annoying and decreased effectiveness.
I have noticed the hardware keyboard does get screwy after doing this.
Using Da_G's roms, he has solved most of the problems in some of his earlier roms. I think the only problem I have currently is a non-working "cent" sign (FN+_). I'll test this again after I flash to his latest Rom.
I think he solves this by implementing SOME of the t9 files. I'll follow up with more accurate results.
player911 said:
I've done the t9 compIME registry change and to me, is a must. That black bar was SO annoying and decreased effectiveness.
I have noticed the hardware keyboard does get screwy after doing this.
Using Da_G's roms, he has solved most of the problems in some of his earlier roms. I think the only problem I have currently is a non-working "cent" sign (FN+_). I'll test this again after I flash to his latest Rom.
I think he solves this by implementing SOME of the t9 files. I'll follow up with more accurate results.
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If that's the case, making a cab, or posting the necesary files to replace would be ideal.
Does your SYM key work?
sounds like a very good start
I had this same annoying error
I managed to get it to go away by
sliding out the keyboard
whilst pressing the green FN button hit the spacebar.
This brings up a small menu, select
ABC and bingo, its sorted.
Steveb
akky66 said:
I had this same annoying error
I managed to get it to go away by
sliding out the keyboard
whilst pressing the green FN button hit the spacebar.
This brings up a small menu, select
ABC and bingo, its sorted.
Steveb
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Tnx for your input Steve.
I allready have that set up, but as you will find, it does not get rid of the black bar during txt msgs to field input, if you know what I mean.
It also gives lag on the hardware keyboard input comapred to the comp ide input method, which I find anoying.
What I really want is just the old wm input and auto complete feature without breaking my keyboard.
but as said before, thanks for the input.
This way we can narrow it down and hopefully make the problem easier to understand.
Ta...
tried editing sym files
Tried editing and replacing the txt files in windows directory,
eT9.Raphael.0409.kmap.txt and eT9DeadKeys.txt and renamint the et9 to comp, no luck.
Anybody any suggestions?
akky66 said:
I had this same annoying error
I managed to get it to go away by
sliding out the keyboard
whilst pressing the green FN button hit the spacebar.
This brings up a small menu, select
ABC and bingo, its sorted.
Steveb
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I did that and the black bar is gone! No more annoying auto-capitalizing and duplicated words! Thanks a lot!
Not quite
Smaniac said:
I did that and the black bar is gone! No more annoying auto-capitalizing and duplicated words! Thanks a lot!
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It get's rid of the black bar whilst typing a text, however whilst typing an adress in the to field, you will notice that you still get a black bar and proposed name in the bottom of your screen.
This is actually eT9 still running, and slowing down your input, trust me on this
The "old" way, you'd get the proposed names next to your to field, in a light grey box, and you could scroll through them and use the space bar without getting it to autocomplete.
I normally type the first few letters of the persons name, and then use the left and right arrow keys to gp through the matching contacts. That does the trick for me
indeed
GaZ said:
I normally type the first few letters of the persons name, and then use the left and right arrow keys to gp through the matching contacts. That does the trick for me
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It does the trick and it is how I use it now.
It's just not the solution I am looking for.
I'm a bit wierd in that way, if I see it poping up, I know it's there and it just annoys me...
Don't you just love the way things were before
But thanks for the tip.
No luck here yet
I haven't had any luck yet, anybody else?
This issue is really starting to bug me
Any luck yet with removing the T9 Black bar? I am having this problem as well.
Me too!
i want the old way with the little grey box, it was so much better. It gave a number of people when you typed in a user name for sms and it also gave better autocomplete options.
Solve for all us
Try attached CAB guys from our famous Russian PDA professional. It's remove this bar completely.
yes it worked for me on Touch HD perfectly
Works
Igoran said:
Try attached CAB guys from our famous Russian PDA professional. It's remove this bar completely.
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TY it completely rocks on Touch HD.
Does this just disable T9 on the hardware keyboard? AND, when entering a contact into sms or email you get the grey list like before?
What about T9 for soft keypad/boards? How does it function now?
I stumbled upon your thread while searching for "disable t9 hardware keyboard".
I have the same problem on my Kaiser... Installed ezinput keypad/board and now have that 'damn' black bar. I'm getting used to it like 'GaZ' but dont really like it...
<<<UPDATE: Only selected abc over t9. Black bar still there.>>>>
use different sip
im not sure if this help but wasnt this issue introduced with the diamond sip set? maybe using different sips might get rid of it. or maybe replacing the new eT9 and using the old wm6 t9 instead in wm6.1 roms. just a thought
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Anyone knows how to remove this black banner
When i type a recipientname i only get one name and this black banner
also with the message i type
disable xt9 and word suggestion
I did disabled the word completion, bud where to complete disable te xt9 ?
input methode => touch keyboard => i remove the checkbox there
Weird thing is, it doesn't show up every time you use the keyboard. In one screen it does and in the other screen it doesn't (or I'm blind).
The settings you changed should work I think.. lemme see:
start -> settings -> input -> *select 'Touch keyboard' from list* -> options -> XT9 settings.
In the XT9 settings you can turn off word completion etc.
However, I'm not sure if that also turns it off for the normal keyboard. I would assume it does, but you know what they say about assumptions eh
After this regtweak
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Tegic\eT9\
and change the key "XT9SupportMSSip" from value "1" to "0"
The black banner bellow is gone for keyboard input, the input sms recipients its still there and have only one name instead of the hole list with email names.
Try this. Will Disable xt9
Works great thanks
I have exactly the opposite problem - Word Completion doesn't work at all even though I set ip up several times in the "Input" menu (in "Settings").
Any suggestions??
Thanks.
John_A said:
Try this. Will Disable xt9
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Hi Im new here... been wanting to disable the XT9 input from htc touch. Will the attached above work on htc touch 2nd gen? thanks!
Blackfire said:
After this regtweak
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Tegic\eT9\
and change the key "XT9SupportMSSip" from value "1" to "0"
The black banner bellow is gone for keyboard input, the input sms recipients its still there and have only one name instead of the hole list with email names.
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Does that also disable T9 for the Touch Keyboard and Keypad?
Hi, I tried this CAB file and it works for the DUAL. May be you guys can give it a try. I got it from the HTC website. Good Luck!
Hi, I've also been irritated by the new XT9 on my HTC Touch Cruise. I have managed to stop the XT9 black bar coming up when using the standard jeyboard, but how do I get the original windows word suggestion to come back up? I have become very fast at using the windows word suggestion on my old HTC Artemis and like how it suggests a word but does not replace the one you're typing before you click on the suggestion.
Swidge said:
Hi, I've also been irritated by the new XT9 on my HTC Touch Cruise. I have managed to stop the XT9 black bar coming up when using the standard jeyboard, but how do I get the original windows word suggestion to come back up? I have become very fast at using the windows word suggestion on my old HTC Artemis and like how it suggests a word but does not replace the one you're typing before you click on the suggestion.
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I would like to know this aswell, I become very fond of this on my Orbit 1 (artemis) and liked that it learned words that you used frequently.
Exactly, I had the Orbit 1 and have now upgraded to the Orbit 2. The way it learned words was great, but it didn't interfere with what you were typing. I'd rather it assumed I was correct and let me choose when to go with it's suggestion.
Ah ha! I have managed to rid myself of the XT9 and get the nice old native pocket pc word suggestion back!
I installed PocketCM Keyboard. That's it.
As I was typing on the new keybaord I noticed word suggestions coming up as well as the PocketCM Keyboard suggestions. I then swithced back to the standard keybaord and the classic word suggestion was back! I went into word suggestion options and changed it to my favourite settings and hey presto, it's working as good as the old one was. It also gives me the nice standard list of contacts when typing a name into my SMS 'to' field. Fantastic.
I don't know if it was a fluke or if it would happen every time you install PocketCM Keyboard, try it out. I don't know if you can get the XT9 back though, and the XT9 doesn't work for the touch keyaord and keypad now either rendering them practically useless, so be warned.
I also haven't reset the phone since this discovery so i don't know if it's permanent, but, crossed fingers...
Swidge
Blackfire said:
When i type a recipientname i only get one name and this black banner
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You can scroll through the available recipients at this time by using the scroll wheel.
How I can completely swich off Touch keyboard and Touch keypad?
Henry100 said:
How I can completely swich off Touch keyboard and Touch keypad?
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I don't know of any way to switch off the touch keybaord and keypad, but you can switch to another keyboard easily enough. If it's the black bar with predictive text in it you can switch it off pressing the XT9/ABC button on the touch keyboard, then using the keyboard of your choice. However this does not replace the XT9 predictive tet with the old style word prediction. The only way I found to do that was to install PCM Keyboard. I don't know why that reactivated the old style word prediction but it did.
Also, in addition to my previous post, i have reset my phone a number of times and the old style word predition has stayed. It seems to be a permanent solution, even if i don't know why it works.
I hope that helped.
Swidge
Thanks Swidge. You are awesome!
noooo....
i have the reverse matter
i want to display that black banner....but the version of HTC Keypad+Keyboard I've installed won't do that....
arggggg...
someone can suggest me an htc keypad+keyboard cab with this black banner???
plese i need it
Hi there,
here's a question relating to the soft-keyboard:
I noticed that with some applications (e.g. PHM reg editor) when I want to punch in a value and hit the corresponding field the keyboard will pop up (which is perfect so far). Now, the keyboard sometimes hides the OK button which I'd have to hit to accept the changes but somehow I can't convince the keyboard to go back where it came from - there's no button to disable or change it (like the "12" button you sometimes see in the bottom).
What can I do to get rid of the keyboard in such situations? Is there maybe a hardware button??
Thanks a lot
There's an icon between the soft keys on the bottom of the screen that changes according to the desired input method. Touch that and a keyboard will magically disappear, regardless of the selected input method.
The input method icon, is always displayed when there's a possibility for text input.
ps.: RTM
gnick666 said:
There's an icon between the soft keys on the bottom of the screen that changes according to the desired input method. Touch that and a keyboard will magically disappear...
ps.: RTM
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Read the manual and like I said:
There's NO icon displayed at the bottom of the screen!
Then use another program, that's the best workaround that i can come up whith..
Or there's the possibilty of a greater underlying problem that would need a Hard Reset to fix it... so far you're the first whith this problem...
Indeed, I've had this too before, try using WM6 compatbile software, I though that was my problem a few weeks ago. An example is Mozilla Minimo, which is horrible on WM6, not being able to remove the keyboard, or even better, hiding it, but not refreshing the contents behind the keyboard
SabbeRubbish said:
Indeed, I've had this too before, try using WM6 compatbile software, I though that was my problem a few weeks ago. An example is Mozilla Minimo, which is horrible on WM6, not being able to remove the keyboard, or even better, hiding it, but not refreshing the contents behind the keyboard
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Exactly, Minimo is another one of those applications that show this problem.
How about changing your default kb to something else?
There is a reg hack to disable the SIP from displaying when you put focus on any text field, but that is not a good solution for a device that doesn't have a physical kb. I use it on my Treo 750 since I don't need the SIP. However, on the TC, it would make much sense.
On a bit of a side note, I have heard that if TC owners want to use another kb besides the standard Xt9 version, you need to apply the following to disable it:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Layouts\e0010409
Ime File=\windows\compime.dll
Layout Text=COMP IME
To Turn on again
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Layouts\e0010409
Ime File=\windows\eT9Ime.dll
Layout Text=eT9 IME
Did your registry tweaks will stop pop up of any keyboard when accessing a text area?
That's what I 'm looking for. Because I installed a full screen keyboard and I use it with a button.
Thxs.
up!!!
Pleaaaaase'!
This app will keep the keyboard from poping up automatically. You can still open it manually. I've not tried it with WM6.
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/nullkeyboard.shtml
Thanks a lot!
It works!
what full screen keyboard are you using?
I use SPB full keyboard.
I've had my touch pro for a few days now after upgrading from a wm6.1 Tytn II but no matter what i try i can't get word suggestion to come up with anything when using on-screen keyboard. I've gone through all the settings i can think of. Anybody else having this trouble?
Same here. Tried in the regular settings, as well as in Advanced Config, but to no avail...
Ok here is a fix that i found. When you turn on the on screen qwerty keyboard you have to switch off t9 and switch it to abc. This has worked for me for both on screen and hardware keyboard. Hope this helps
Bxsteez said:
Ok here is a fix that i found. When you turn on the on screen qwerty keyboard you have to switch off t9 and switch it to abc. This has worked for me for both on screen and hardware keyboard. Hope this helps
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tried that, still the same.
That's strange.... What on screen keyboard are you using?
Bxsteez said:
That's strange.... What on screen keyboard are you using?
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'keyboard', same as the old stardard keyboard, small keys so i have the numbers at the top.
johnk1973 said:
tried that, still the same.
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same here, still doesn't work...
Standard keyboard does have any word completion dictionaries installed for the Diamond or the touch Pro.
If you want word completion, you need to use the full QWERTY htc keyboard, not the standard WinMo keyboard.
Problem persists...
Turned off T9, switched to "ABC", ans I am using the hardware keyboard. The same problem persists. The black line still appears at the bottom of the screen, when I type something it appears both at the "correct" location plus on the bottom black line. If I make the mistake of using the keyboard arrows - crash boom bang. A lot of words appear near my cursor. And the funny part is that I always have to read my SMS before sending it: this magnificent auto completion method somehow finds a way of adding unwanted words somewhere in the message body. It is *very* annoying.
I don't always use English when I type a message, and, horror: sometimes I even don't use punctuation, because I'm in a hurry.
Did you try to go in the T9 options and untick everything, and go in settings -> Inout -> Word completion and untick everything as well?
Full QWERTY and T9 on for me works!!!
Hello everybody,
First off, SUPER FORUM! yes, you guessed it, i'm new.
To be honest, I would never have dreamt of working with a HTC Touch Pro, since i own an iPhone, but recently i was given a free HTC, so here I am.
Why I make this thread, it's the touch keypad that keeps on poppin up, even when I say that primary keys are the full button slide keyboard.
Is there a reg key that I can edit to disable the keyboard, or at least have it kept hidden in the task bar?
thanks in advance!
Yes, I find this too, but the more annoying thing for me is when composing emails and it keeps suggesting words and changing them even though I've deselected autocorrect and suggest words! It would be nice to be able to disable the on-screen keyboard completely and also the word suggestion/correction.
Of course in Opera you can't over-ride the on-screen keyboard anyway...
there was another thread about this - no solution found yet
(although I suspect the idea is simple: when keyboard is detected open, change SIP to an empty one, that has nothing to pop out - because it will be much more difficult to PREVENT OS from popping it)
For now just ignore it, it disappears when you click the first physical button anyway.
comclusive said:
Yes, I find this too, but the more annoying thing for me is when composing emails and it keeps suggesting words and changing them even though I've deselected autocorrect and suggest words! It would be nice to be able to disable the on-screen keyboard completely and also the word suggestion/correction.
Of course in Opera you can't over-ride the on-screen keyboard anyway...
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disable "T9" and change it to "ABC", that would disable the annoying auto word replacement feature
NLS said:
there was another thread about this - no solution found yet
(although I suspect the idea is simple: when keyboard is detected open, change SIP to an empty one, that has nothing to pop out - because it will be much more difficult to PREVENT OS from popping it)
For now just ignore it, it disappears when you click the first physical button anyway.
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What about using that NullKB application that everyone has on their Moguls for precisely the same purpose?
~os
I suspect it will be fine (I'll check it out now).
The problem will be if keyboard is detected as open or not.
thx for the replies guys, too bad there's no real solution
comclusive said:
Yes, I find this too, but the more annoying thing for me is when composing emails and it keeps suggesting words and changing them even though I've deselected autocorrect and suggest words! It would be nice to be able to disable the on-screen keyboard completely and also the word suggestion/correction.
Of course in Opera you can't over-ride the on-screen keyboard anyway...
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found this in another thread
changes for auto complete
IMPORTANT: previously be sure that HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\XT9SupportMSSip has a value of 0.
Simply change these two registry keys under:
HKLM\system\currentcontrolset\control\layouts\e 0010409
Ime File : \windows\xt9ime.dll change to Ime File :\windows\compime.dll
and
Layout Text : XT9 IME change to Layout Text : COMP IME
And soft reset.
suggest words in a drop down list as in WM6
Steve
s.morris said:
found this in another thread
changes for auto complete
IMPORTANT: previously be sure that HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\XT9SupportMSSip has a value of 0.
Simply change these two registry keys under:
HKLM\system\currentcontrolset\control\layouts\e 0010409
Ime File : \windows\xt9ime.dll change to Ime File :\windows\compime.dll
and
Layout Text : XT9 IME change to Layout Text : COMP IME
And soft reset.
suggest words in a drop down list as in WM6
Steve
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Yay!! thanks!!
If you install the Advanced Conf you can disable it in the keyboard option.
s.morris said:
found this in another thread
changes for auto complete
IMPORTANT: previously be sure that HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\XT9SupportMSSip has a value of 0.
Simply change these two registry keys under:
HKLM\system\currentcontrolset\control\layouts\e 0010409
Ime File : \windows\xt9ime.dll change to Ime File :\windows\compime.dll
and
Layout Text : XT9 IME change to Layout Text : COMP IME
And soft reset.
suggest words in a drop down list as in WM6
Steve
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I would seem that after this reg edit certain FN key stop working
i.e £ and € and in my case Sys
Steve
Would someone be kind enough to let me know how to restore the inputs and what's your registry settings for this two keys as I've tried restoring it but to no avail.
If you didnt notice, it screws up your Compact and Full Qwerty keyboard input.
I've got the same problem as Comclusive.
When I am typing email or word docs, this auto-correct keeps
locking in on words and I cannot get the cursor off the word. Then it seems to copy that word in the next spot I move the cursor to. It is maddening.
I've shut auto correct and chosen not to suggest words, in as many places as I can find, but my TP just keeps telling me to **** off - it is going to auto-correct and suggest words anyway.
I can't tell who is in Charge, Me or TP.
Help!
Joe_PDA said:
I've got the same problem as Comclusive.
When I am typing email or word docs, this auto-correct keeps
locking in on words and I cannot get the cursor off the word. Then it seems to copy that word in the next spot I move the cursor to. It is maddening.
I've shut auto correct and chosen not to suggest words, in as many places as I can find, but my TP just keeps telling me to **** off - it is going to auto-correct and suggest words anyway.
I can't tell who is in Charge, Me or TP.
Help!
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SIMPLE SOLUTION:
Upgrade your ROM with this one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444653
It totally solved my problem AND radically improves the GPS.
Sweet!
i have another anoying thing with my TP
in portrait mode in opera if the soft keyboard pops up, it changes from the HTC Full keyboard layout to simple qwerty (small) keyboard layout
verry anoying.
hnparedes said:
If you install the Advanced Conf you can disable it in the keyboard option.
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This is what I did also. Works a treat!
no way to hidde the auto popup keyboard yet? it's so annoying
s.morris said:
found this in another thread
changes for auto complete
IMPORTANT: previously be sure that HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\XT9SupportMSSip has a value of 0.
Simply change these two registry keys under:
HKLM\system\currentcontrolset\control\layouts\e 0010409
Ime File : \windows\xt9ime.dll change to Ime File :\windows\compime.dll
and
Layout Text : XT9 IME change to Layout Text : COMP IME
And soft reset.
suggest words in a drop down list as in WM6
Steve
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Yesssssssssssssss! That worked for me too, just got my Touch Pro 2 weeks ago and this issue was driving me crazy!!!!! Thanks!!!
Touch Pro 2 Suggest Words
I have done your registry edit, and it does work for suggested words and the on screen full qwerty keyboard works great for a while, then what happens is I get locked in phone keypad mode when I have full keyboard selected. I can do the smaller keyboard and the Transcriber etc, but when I select Full Qwerty, it keeps me locked in phone key pad. Have you heard of this happening? If I change back the Registry to removed the old suggested words, the problem goes away.
if u have Advanced Configurator or Diamond tweak or something like that (sorry forgot the name), they both have options to stop the touch keypad to automatically popup.
Hi,
I am just new to this pocket PC phone (just the old HTC Touch) and i tried out installing an IP Phone Keyboard program. When I wasnt happy about it, i uninstalled it but it messed up my SIP. The default standard input keyboard now is cut at the bottom (meaning i dont see the entire last row of Ctrl, space bar, etc.) but there's a black row appearing at the top of the input keyboard. It looks like the input keyboard was dragged down. Worse, the suggested words now appear at the bottom of the screen (where your normal Send or Cancel buttons are).
I really would appreciate your advise and help in getting this resolved. Dont know where to run to or whom to raise this to.
Thank you and looking forward to your response.
ailene said:
Hi,
I am just new to this pocket PC phone (just the old HTC Touch) and i tried out installing an IP Phone Keyboard program. When I wasnt happy about it, i uninstalled it but it messed up my SIP. The default standard input keyboard now is cut at the bottom (meaning i dont see the entire last row of Ctrl, space bar, etc.) but there's a black row appearing at the top of the input keyboard. It looks like the input keyboard was dragged down. Worse, the suggested words now appear at the bottom of the screen (where your normal Send or Cancel buttons are).
I really would appreciate your advise and help in getting this resolved. Dont know where to run to or whom to raise this to.
Thank you and looking forward to your response.
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Restart your PPC. After that go to settings--> input---> select default input keyboard and try.
Hope it will help.
Are you using the default keyboard?
You can install any other SIP and it should work fine even if the default keyboard's having problems.
You can also hard reset incase you don't manage anything else.
I'm not aware of a bug concerning the default keyboard showing wrong except for something which goes away after a soft reset.
Thanks very much for your responses. Unfortunately, I did all that (set keyboard as default, try installing another keyboard software, soft reset and hard reset) but the problem still persists. I am almost in the vicinity of regretting why i had this PPC.
can you specify exactly which app caused this problem?