Google GPS without a GPS!!!! - General Topics

Hey just thought id share this ran across it while on gsmarenaapparently google has just announced a new version of google maps that will tell u ur location within 1-2 km of u actual location and u dont need to have a GPS
i have used it and it tolod me my location within 500m
apparently it will use the tower that ur near to triangulate ur position
its great also has a meter to show how much KB`s ur transfering here the location http://www.google.com/gmm
enjoy!

Google Maps 2.x is nice, and thats an interesting feature, but for me it had my location about 2 miles from where I really was (my location was even outside of the circle it showed saying that I was somewhere inside that circle).
I've tried it in 3 places and same result in all three.
Ah well. Nice for getting a general idea of where you are, but don't expect to use it for real navigation

I tested this today driving down 45 miles of Los Angeles freeway and was literally shocked out how closely it tracked my location. Most of the trip it had me pinpointed (no range circle at all). Some locations it had to guess a range, between canyons or tall buildings.
I knew the towers could find your general vacinity, but had no idea they could come that close.
Neat feature!

any one have a package for this new google maps?

I like it. Now I'm not so pressed to get a phone with GPS. I guess if you're in a metro area it will work better (assuming more towers). I like how it even will do directions to addresses in the contact app.

Loved My Location for the 1 day I had it. I upgraded my AT&T 8525 from WM5 to the official htc WM6 Professional and now everytime I try to use My Location it tells me, "Your current location is temporarily unavailable." I think the answer to my problem and others who are experiencing it maybe be in Menu-.Options-> GPS settings, and properly configuring the My Location Settings. If anyone has a solution, any help is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

ANTC said:
any one have a package for this new google maps?
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here is the GoogleMap 2.0.
it is amazing!

woww...dats superb job by google...Even it catched me too while m sitting here in Dubai... awesome utility..

As you wish sir!
It's working already on mine!
ANTC said:
any one have a package for this new google maps?
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Anyone know if there is an ap like this that can track anyone in your contact list? Like actually get there position not just home address?

cybercub said:
Anyone know if there is an ap like this that can track anyone in your contact list? Like actually get there position not just home address?
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Isn't that boost mobile (or whatever that company is). I wouldn't want that service. Talk about "Spyware". I'd imagine there are privacy laws against such a thing. Kind of like it being illegal (in the US) to record a phone conversation unless you let the person being recorded know about it.

hey yeah i get that sometimes here in pakistan but dont worry abt it just give it another try in a coupl eof minutes and it will show
hmm well in my case it pin points to about less than a km so its great and the details are great
enjoy everyone!

my experience
i used the new Version of Gmaps yesterday in the Atlanta/decuater area. i was on the free way on GA-400, I-285 & other various streets(in decuater,Ga).
on GA-400 i received a general 1,200 meters from exits 15-11. Ounce in a more populous area i was getting even better range within 1,000 meters or so.
i also started using the traffic Feature which provided me with information leading to make the decision to take I-285. on that highway i continued get about 1,00 meters ounce out of the red and into the yellow after the first few exits or so i got a real good distance was about 300 or so each time and continued until i got off the freeway though sometimes it had me on the opposite side. (though a quick "my location" and back where i belong) ounce off and on a suburban area with stores shopping centers and sub-divisions i had no idea where i was yet Gmap new the way. with finding my location every5 seconds i arrived about 10 minutes off of the expressway
oh and the addresses in the contact app is prty kool. like if you have a contact's adress stored on there number and click it

Not so good here in Central Oregon. It is showing my current location actually 37.5 miles SouthEast of my actual location. I don't understand the BIG discrepancy as the closest T-Mobile tower is less than half-a-mile from my current position.
Cool concept though.

this is just in Beta man. im sure itll get better & more precise later. at my house im about 1.1 miles from where i should be, but then again im in the country

epimazzo said:
As you wish sir!
It's working already on mine!
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thanks man

I'm guessing that you really need to be covered by two or more towers for the location to be accurate.

tekknogenius said:
Isn't that boost mobile (or whatever that company is). I wouldn't want that service. Talk about "Spyware". I'd imagine there are privacy laws against such a thing. Kind of like it being illegal (in the US) to record a phone conversation unless you let the person being recorded know about it.
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That is what I was thinking. Now that google has released something like this I can imagine that anyone might break down the code and make it so they can track any phone?
I do a lot of visiting stores for my company and the last thing I want is someone knowing we are in the area by using something like this.

So I added it to my MDA and I get the screen that is blank for the most part with the little sqigglies in the square fashion.
Now is this becasue I don't have the Data or Hotspots plan??
I'm guessing that it won't work correctly (read: at all) unless I have one or both of these.
Can anyone shed some light? I'd really like to have this feature as well.
Thanks,
Ivan

the problem some of you dont realise is that if live in a small town with a little bit of cell towers than the acuracy is not that great. i live in nyc and the acuracy is pin point, perfect. it locates me exactly where i am and the more u use it the better it gets. remember it picks up your locstion by bouncing you signal off cell towers. less cell towerless accuracy, more cell towers greater the accuracy

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Navigon Mobile Navigation

Just relased into the USA market today. Anyone using it? Seems pretty good according to the site but its$ 40 for the first 2 weeks then goes up to$ 60. Just wonfering how it is.http://www.navigon.com/portal/us/produkte/navigationssoftware/mobile_navigator_iphone_us.html the link is for the iphone but i guess they havnt updated the site.
Their support made me not want to ever buy another device from them.
why use that google maps is better
nick8197 said:
why use that google maps is better
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Based on my experience with the app on my 3gS, the advantage to this would be having the maps stored locally on the phone. Therefore you have some level of dead reckoning and aren't relying on your data connection to supply map data. AFAIK, gps is way more reliable connection wise than data. So with this app even if you have poor or no signal, the app can still work if there's gps.
What was there spport like?
I really would like to have lane assistance wich as far as i know google does not...neither does sprint.
I bought NAVIGON and their support SUCK. Don't waste your money. Their app sucks too.
DeathBySnuggles said:
Based on my experience with the app on my 3gS, the advantage to this would be having the maps stored locally on the phone. Therefore you have some level of dead reckoning and aren't relying on your data connection to supply map data. AFAIK, gps is way more reliable connection wise than data. So with this app even if you have poor or no signal, the app can still work if there's gps.
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i had this exact problem with my touch pro a couple summers ago. we were on a roadtrip through wyoming and had no cell connection. luckily i loaded up tomtom and cruised on.
it's just nice to have a backup in case googley maps fails ya
Yea ill keep my 60 google nav has never failed me
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CheesyNutz said:
Yea ill keep my 60 google nav has never failed me
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Ya, if you are traveling local that's probably not an issue, but if you are traveling across states - it's likely that you will hit dead spots in your 3g or 1x coverage even and that means no google maps.

Thoughts on GPS

I was in California over Christmas and I flashed Assonance 5.0. My GPS started working perfectly. I assumed that the ROM itself was the cause of the improvement, but, when I got back home (Chicago), the GPS reverted back to the way it was before (slow to lock on and always loses lock). This would lead me to believe that the differing results from the GPS are not due to hardware, but location.
Good things in California...like GPS and IN-N-OUT
I just got back from California on Friday, and that trip made me decide to sell my Captivate, gps didnt work at all.
verysafety said:
Good things in California...like GPS and IN-N-OUT
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You bastards with your In-N-Out
If you guys haven't tried Da_G's fix yet I'd look into it. I'm using the Darky port rom and it incorporates the fix and my GPS is really good. I get quick, accurate locks and it follows me properly while driving. Admittedly I've only been running this version of the rom (7.0.1) for a few days now because I keep flashing new versions when they're released but so far there has been no noticeable degradation of GPS.
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You bastards with your In-N-Out
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Nothing like a double-double with fries...
Double double with animal style fries!
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I live in cali and gps works perfect. When I went to arizona it sucked. Location does seem to be a factor.
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Let me just lock this one down right here...
Location may be a factor in such that if you are located inside a concrete bunker the GPS will not work well, and if you are located outside in the middle of a field on a clear day the GPS will work better.
Please, read this before commenting further... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#Space_segment
You will find that the GPS satellites move through the day, and no one satellite is covering the same area all the time. A fundamental property of the GPS system is that coverage is spread across the entire globe. And while any given satellite will follow the same path around the planet (once every 12 hours), the system is intrinsically designed such that it doesn't matter which specific satellites you can hear from the ground.
If you are getting better reception in X state, and worse reception in Y state, then Z confounding factor is causing that difference, not your location.
my gps has been very good (both locks and tracking)
with both Chrnous and Doc's latest roms.
nbs11 said:
Nothing like a double-double with fries...
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nahrah said:
Double double with animal style fries!
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Pffft, 4X4 hold the fries!
Oh, and my GPS has always worked out of the box......
My GPS never worked until I flashed ASSONANCE. Now it works here in Toledo, Ohio, Clearwater, Florida, Pittburgh, PA, Detroit, MI, Los Angeles, CA....no problems whatsover. I use it all the time. Myabe I am just one of the very few "Lucky Ones".
I drove from Seattle, WA to Los Angeles, CA and back for xmas during one and a half week period. Here's what I think about the GPS. Since every time I tried to use it here in Seattle, it doesn't work very well at all and I end up giving up and turn the GPS off. But on this trip, I let it get a lock even though it took more than 4 mins to do so. Then I have it plugged into my car's power, so the backlight stays on. Using Google Maps, I let it keep trying to lock and track during my entire trip. To my surprise, it works better and better. It seems to be needing to gather enough info at each location to get better responses. Now, I can get a lock just about anywhere in the west coast in about 7 to 10 secs. Tracking is still a little off. But it's close enough that I can start using location based apps again, like gas buddy, foursquare, facebook, etc. I wouldn't use it for navigation as I said, the tracking is still a little off. So, my theory is that use the GPS whenever you can. Leave it on if you can. The more you use it, the better it works. Just my 2 cents worth.

FAA Warns GPS Issues SouthEastern US Defenense Dept Tests

Pulled this off the Engadget site, just in case others began to see issues with GPS like I have today.
"Don't panic, but anyone planning on using GPS in the southeastern US for the next month or so will likely want to make sure they have a fallback option. That's according to a flight advisory just issued by the FAA, which warns pilots that their GPS signal "may be unreliable or unavailable" due to "GPS tests" that the Department of Defense will be conducting between January 20th and February 22nd. Details are fairly light beyond that, but the FAA does note that when the "tests" occur they will be active for 45 minutes, and be followed by 15 minutes of off time -- additional notices to pilots will apparently be issued at least 24 hours prior to any test. Of course, while this particular advisory is directed at pilots, it will presumably will also affect all other GPS devices, as the FAA doesn't mention any GPS issues specific to aviation."
Link to PDF below.
https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2011/Jan/GPS_Flight_Advisory_CSFTL11-01_Rel.pdf
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Pulled this off the Engadget site, just in case others began to see issues with GPS like I have today.
"Don't panic, but anyone planning on using GPS in the southeastern US for the next month or so will likely want to make sure they have a fallback option. That's according to a flight advisory just issued by the FAA, which warns pilots that their GPS signal "may be unreliable or unavailable" due to "GPS tests" that the Department of Defense will be conducting between January 20th and February 22nd. Details are fairly light beyond that, but the FAA does note that when the "tests" occur they will be active for 45 minutes, and be followed by 15 minutes of off time -- additional notices to pilots will apparently be issued at least 24 hours prior to any test. Of course, while this particular advisory is directed at pilots, it will presumably will also affect all other GPS devices, as the FAA doesn't mention any GPS issues specific to aviation."
Link to PDF below.
https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2011/Jan/GPS_Flight_Advisory_CSFTL11-01_Rel.pdf
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LMAO ... The last group of people in the world to be affected by this would be captivate owners.
"symptoms may include; long lock times, eractic position markers, 10 mile lock radius, and random shutdowns."
Shovelhead84 said:
LMAO ... The last group of people in the world to be affected by this would be captivate owners.
"symptoms may include; long lock times, eractic position markers, 10 mile lock radius, and random shutdowns."
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You sure they haven't been doing this since mid july in the midwest ;-D
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Clienterror said:
You sure they haven't been doing this since mid july in the midwest ;-D
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On a side note, you think this will affect global warming too?
Call me cynical but I don't see this being a good thing. DOD shutting down the gps. I'm waiting for breaking news to cut into judge judy any second.
Good thing this doesn't apply to Captivate owners.
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On a side note, you think this will affect global warming too?
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In the same way it will affect the Boogey Man and Big Foot.
Shovelhead84 said:
LMAO ... The last group of people in the world to be affected by this would be captivate owners.
"symptoms may include; long lock times, eractic position markers, 10 mile lock radius, and random shutdowns."
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Actually, you should have said Captivate owners would be the last group to notice any difference.
It says... GPS signal "may be unreliable or unavailable"
Well atleast others get a chance to experience what we go through everyday!
Since updating the modem to JK4 the GPS in my cappy is working perfectly with locks in a few seconds even indoors.
I guess Samsung has enough influence to get the DOD to update the GPS system so it will work with the Captivate.
And some of you were bashing Samsung...
jde984 said:
I guess Samsung has enough influence to get the DOD to update the GPS system so it will work with the Captivate.
And some of you were bashing Samsung...
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ROTFLOL Oh stop it.. my tummy hurts now...
Thanks for posting this, I am not only a Cappy owner but a "geocacher" as well. And for you worried about our gps on the captivate, try out the new FireFly Rom on this site, gps works great. Connects quickly, great Rom by Adam.
My GPS has been great, but it's **** at the moment. I hope this is the cause.
jaimingandhi said:
It says... GPS signal "may be unreliable or unavailable"
Well atleast others get a chance to experience what we go through everyday!
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maybe your using the wrong modem/rom combo.
i am having no issues with firefly (rogers base) or phoenix (i9000 base) + jk4 modem in midwest (build 1007).
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Call me cynical but I don't see this being a good thing. DOD shutting down the gps. I'm waiting for breaking news to cut into judge judy any second.
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Considering that the US Government owns all current GPS satellites world wide (and they are operated by the DoD), we should all be grateful that we have free use of the GPS satellites. If the DoD wants to do upgrades or testing, there is not much anyone can do about it.
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Considering that the US Government owns all current GPS satellites world wide (and they are operated by the DoD), we should all be grateful that we have free use of the GPS satellites. If the DoD wants to do upgrades or testing, there is not much anyone can do about it.
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Agreed thanks darpa.
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nkrick said:
Considering that the US Government owns all current GPS satellites world wide (and they are operated by the DoD), we should all be grateful that we have free use of the GPS satellites. If the DoD wants to do upgrades or testing, there is not much anyone can do about it.
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Is that a fact? Worldwide?
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Is that a fact? Worldwide?
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Yes. The worldwide GPS system is owned by the US government and operated and maintained by the DoD. Who else can afford billions to put satellites in the sky and then let everyone use them for free? If you don't believe me, perform a quick google search.
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nkrick said:
Yes. The worldwide GPS system is owned by the US government and operated and maintained by the DoD. Who else can afford billions to put satellites in the sky and then let everyone use them for free? If you don't believe me, perform a quick google search.
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This despicable act of socialism must not go unpunished.
You never know, this might actually in some way, some how, FIX our GPS's lol
Like everyone said, sure as hell can't hurt leveling the rest of the field!

GPS issue a conflict with Google Maps?

This question goes to anyone using CoPilot 8, MapQuest or any tracking software that isn't Google Maps 5.0. Are you keeping locks? Similar to how using LBStest mode allows for a faster and more stable lock than one from GMaps
I ask this because I just downloaded the new MapQuest thats free on the Market and I'm getting a lock down to 10 yards and Max 32 yards out. But the interesting thing about it is that it maintains the lock even when moving.
For those who are well aware of the GPS issue it isn't so much the locking as it the maintaining so my question was are people getting better results with GPS programs that aren't Google Maps? And if so do you think the issue with GPS may also be a conflict with how Google Maps utilizes the GPS drivers?
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This question goes to anyone using CoPilot 8, MapQuest or any tracking software that isn't Google Maps 5.0. Are you keeping locks? Similar to how using LBStest mode allows for a faster and more stable lock than one from GMaps
I ask this because I just downloaded the new MapQuest thats free on the Market and I'm getting a lock down to 10 yards and Max 32 yards out. But the interesting thing about it is that it maintains the lock even when moving.
For those who are well aware of the GPS issue it isn't so much the locking as it the maintaining so my question was are people getting better results with GPS programs that aren't Google Maps? And if so do you think the issue with GPS may also be a conflict with how Google Maps utilizes the GPS drivers?
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Yes I noticed the same thing, Google maps was very poor at keeping on track and locks. I switched to Navigon about 2 months ago and have never been happier. I really think all the GPS issue are related to Google maps and not the hardware as everyone is saying.
I just downloaded Mapquest app. Will test it out later today and report back. Will drive 1 way with google, and 1 way with Mapquest.
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This question goes to anyone using CoPilot 8, MapQuest or any tracking software that isn't Google Maps 5.0. Are you keeping locks? Similar to how using LBStest mode allows for a faster and more stable lock than one from GMaps
I ask this because I just downloaded the new MapQuest thats free on the Market and I'm getting a lock down to 10 yards and Max 32 yards out. But the interesting thing about it is that it maintains the lock even when moving.
For those who are well aware of the GPS issue it isn't so much the locking as it the maintaining so my question was are people getting better results with GPS programs that aren't Google Maps? And if so do you think the issue with GPS may also be a conflict with how Google Maps utilizes the GPS drivers?
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great...have been waiting for a mapquest app hadn't realized it was available yet. hopefully it works as well as the iphone mapquest app..gonna test it out on the ride home.
It always was odd to me that GPSTest would hold 7 satellite locks with a correct speedometer and whatnot, yet Googlemaps can't track me at all.
I played with MapQuest a bit the other day when it was released. During one drive it seemed to be a bit better than Google Nav in tracking, but was still sub-par. These observations weren't scientific by any means, but just what I noticed when I tried the app out.
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Yes I noticed the same thing, Google maps was very poor at keeping on track and locks. I switched to Navigon about 2 months ago and have never been happier. I really think all the GPS issue are related to Google maps and not the hardware as everyone is saying.
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It seems to be a convoluted issue. I can attest that with a Bluetooth GPS receiver for my Captivate that Google Maps/Navigator works marvelously, whereas it is marginal with just the Captivate GPS.
With that said I have not tried the other software referenced but I think I might give it a shot now.
Yeah I noticed for mine that GMaps at least 2 minutes in no matter what modem I was currently testing just go ahead and drop the signal. But on MapQuest it holds the signal and granted sometimes it shows me in the other lane but at least it moving with me lol
Hmm map quest shows where im sitting at in my house exactly while google maps has me out across the road... Ill test it navigation and tacking later. Wish it was more snappy as gmaps.
Truth is, I thought the same when Bing Maps came out but it still didn't track well at all.
I wonder if AT&T borked the GPS/Google Maps interaction to boost subscriptions to their paid navigation service
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I wonder if AT&T borked the GPS/Google Maps interaction to boost subscriptions to their paid navigation service
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Works great with other phones.
My brother's Bold has GPS lock in Google Maps up to 3 feet.
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Works great with other phones.
My brother's Bold has GPS lock in Google Maps up to 3 feet.
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I used to have the bold. Those things have exceptional radios! But really all I wanted to see here is if people were getting the same results with GPS alternatives
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you mean like they did with the Fuze?
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I just downloaded Mapquest app. Will test it out later today and report back. Will drive 1 way with google, and 1 way with Mapquest.
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Well, after my 15 mile drive, I actually saw better tracking with Google Navigation than with Mapquest.
Plus, I like the actual UI better.
It would have been worth switching for better tracking, but the Mpaquest app kept losing me, then finding me again. Next time to be sure, I'll use them again, but Google going, and Mapquest coming back.
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Well, after my 15 mile drive, I actually saw better tracking with Google Navigation than with Mapquest.
Plus, I like the actual UI better.
It would have been worth switching for better tracking, but the Mpaquest app kept losing me, then finding me again. Next time to be sure, I'll use them again, but Google going, and Mapquest coming back.
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Interesting I noticed the exact opposite and the Google Nav/Maps never maintains a lock or it holds it until it doesn't think I'm looking anymore lol. While MapQuest has successfully locked inside 10 seconds and held it
Do you have any GPS settings edited or are you just stock?
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It seems to be a convoluted issue. I can attest that with a Bluetooth GPS receiver for my Captivate that Google Maps/Navigator works marvelously, whereas it is marginal with just the Captivate GPS.
With that said I have not tried the other software referenced but I think I might give it a shot now.
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Yes. EXTREMELY convoluted. To point it's possible that the Google Maps Navigation could be responsible (it is still in beta after all). But then again, it seems to work just great on other devices.
I've been playing with software tweaks for a few weeks now, but in all honesty I'm not sure it's even possible to get it fixed with software alone as it seems likely that the hardware design is also to blame.
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Interesting I noticed the exact opposite and the Google Nav/Maps never maintains a lock or it holds it until it doesn't think I'm looking anymore lol. While MapQuest has successfully locked inside 10 seconds and held it
Do you have any GPS settings edited or are you just stock?
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I'm running Supernova 2.0.6, haven't changed any settings since flashing.
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I'm running Supernova 2.0.6, haven't changed any settings since flashing.
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Do you know if that ROM has the north-america.pool.ntp server GPS fix set? which basically just changes the region of the device gps
EDIT: Also what modem does it have? I'm using NKP1 (best results so far) and was going to test this with JL2 later
This gps issue seems no different then the issues experienced by HTC devices in the past. A quick scan through any gps topic usually produces drastically differwnt experiences ranging from. "never had a problem" to " im returning this pos!""
I just got my captivate and would be considered a gps power user i suppose. I use everytrail.com,gmaps w latitude and several other geocaching programs. i have yet to experience anything negatove with the reaction or tracking of the gps --- (wait for it)... That is to say nothing unexpected. I have some slight lag after not using ot for days, in the redwoods and many trails in california nothing short of a 500 dollar handheld dedicated gps will even get signal. My point being users who have been dealing with gps for a few years now seem to understand what is actually happening... And give the device some leeway. Ive worked in the field for gettropcs. Verizon sprint att.... NOTHING can be done when installing a Modcell until you triangulate. Tree cover, moisture, cloud cover, etc. Can all play a role. (nevermind the brainiacs in their bedroom with no windows who cant figure out why they cant lock)
BTWi paid fifty dollars for my captivates. Originally 150 thrpugh preimiere i walked into target and fell over when i saw them for fifty. I called Nd threatened to walk and they credited my account 100 dollars for each phone.
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gps issues

I have a mix 3 8gb/256 and everything seems to be fine on T-Mobile but I am having GPS issues. Google Maps cannot find my location. It does have location permissions. Location is set to high accuracy. Anyone else in the US seeing this as well?
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I have a mix 3 8gb/256 and everything seems to be fine on T-Mobile but I am having GPS issues. Google Maps cannot find my location. It does have location permissions. Location is set to high accuracy. Anyone else in the US seeing this as well?
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Yes I am having the same issue. Don't have a solution currently. Sorry I cannot help.
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Yes I am having the same issue. Don't have a solution currently. Sorry I cannot help.
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Mine actually is working great now. Just stepped outside for a bit and it locks really well with very high precision. I was inside next to a window when I first tested... Apparently it didn't like that
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Mine actually is working great now. Just stepped outside for a bit and it locks really well with very high precision. I was inside next to a window when I first tested... Apparently it didn't like that
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I really love the slider and do not own one but you are getting ripped off (no band 12/71). GPS only has access to US L1/L5 bands. The China/Euro sats are disabled by broadcomm chip if you are in the United States which means access to less L1/L5 bands brought to you by?? So, if you were in a basement, L1/L5 bands would still work well if all sats were working. Your by a window and cannot make a lock really sucks, huh? This phone is neutered too much for US users.
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I really love the slider and do not own one but you are getting ripped off (no band 12/71). GPS only has access to US L1/L5 bands. The China/Euro sats are disabled by broadcomm chip if you are in the United States which means access to less L1/L5 bands brought to you by?? So, if you were in a basement, L1/L5 bands would still work well if all sats were working. Your by a window and cannot make a lock really sucks, huh? This phone is neutered too much for US users.
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I disagree. To some, band 71 may be a game changer but the Seattle area doesn't even have it. I think it a bit silly to care too much about something that barely came into existence. In the two or so years I will have this phone it just won't matter to me. I have been perfectly satisfied with my previous phones without it.
As for GPS it seems to lock just fine in my car and out walking about... In fact much more precise than my old phone.... So that is 99% of my use of GPS and I imagine most others as well. Also just this past week the FCC cleared the use of the euro satellites in the US so unless it's out of the reach of software or firmware (very unlikely) then that won't matter either very soon.
It's actually working well now. Just needed an initial lock outside I guess.
Lurker1126 said:
I disagree. To some, band 71 may be a game changer but the Seattle area doesn't even have it. I think it a bit silly to care too much about something that barely came into existence. In the two or so years I will have this phone it just won't matter to me. I have been perfectly satisfied with my previous phones without it.
As for GPS it seems to lock just fine in my car and out walking about... In fact much more precise than my old phone.... So that is 99% of my use of GPS and I imagine most others as well. Also just this past week the FCC cleared the use of the euro satellites in the US so unless it's out of the reach of software or firmware (very unlikely) then that won't matter either very soon.
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The deal is that it is missing even band 12. Band 71 is rolling faster then some expected. That time table of 2020 has been upped by about a year, possible. Most channels have already cleared (they have shut down). I really love the concept of this phone but if I was on ATT, I would jump in and buy it. I just think xiaomi is not trying in the US market, yet. As far as a software fix for the GPS, it would have to be on the firmware side of the phone. That cannot be updated by software. I think Broadcomm made a deal and since most of the sale of phones are targeted for sale outside the US, Xiaomi threw in the towel. So, you will be able to tell if you ever will get the euro sats by going to the play store and installing:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.android.gpstest
and see if you ever do get the euro sats on this phone. I do not think so, though because it is hard coded into the Broadcomm chip. If xiaomi decides to cut corners they may keep buying this chip for a year or two before the new ones get updated. Anyway, let us all know.
Edit: It does have band 12.
No issue with mine, make sure to give all the needed permission to google maps app. Also if its your first time locking in, do it outdoors first. If you're indoor , it may take awhile but subsequently it's really quick and accurate.
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The deal is that it is missing even band 12. Band 71 is rolling faster then some expected. That time table of 2020 has been upped by about a year, possible. Most channels have already cleared (they have shut down). I really love the concept of this phone but if I was on ATT, I would jump in and buy it. I just think xiaomi is not trying in the US market, yet. As far as a software fix for the GPS, it would have to be on the firmware side of the phone. That cannot be updated by software. I think Broadcomm made a deal and since most of the sale of phones are targeted for sale outside the US, Xiaomi threw in the towel. So, you will be able to tell if you ever will get the euro sats by going to the play store and installing:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.android.gpstest
and see if you ever do get the euro sats on this phone. I do not think so, though because it is hard coded into the Broadcomm chip. If xiaomi decides to cut corners they may keep buying this chip for a year or two before the new ones get updated. Anyway, let us all know.
Edit: It does have band 12.
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I am seeing several E1 and E5a sats in that app...
vq8acsxht said:
The deal is that it is missing even band 12. Band 71 is rolling faster then some expected. That time table of 2020 has been upped by about a year, possible. Most channels have already cleared (they have shut down). I really love the concept of this phone but if I was on ATT, I would jump in and buy it. I just think xiaomi is not trying in the US market, yet. As far as a software fix for the GPS, it would have to be on the firmware side of the phone. That cannot be updated by software. I think Broadcomm made a deal and since most of the sale of phones are targeted for sale outside the US, Xiaomi threw in the towel. So, you will be able to tell if you ever will get the euro sats by going to the play store and installing:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.android.gpstest
and see if you ever do get the euro sats on this phone. I do not think so, though because it is hard coded into the Broadcomm chip. If xiaomi decides to cut corners they may keep buying this chip for a year or two before the new ones get updated. Anyway, let us all know.
Edit: It does have band 12.
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I am seeing several E1 and E5a sats in that app...no sbas though
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I am seeing several E1 and E5a sats in that app...no sbas though
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I may be wrong! Wow, that is good news! Can you lock on to some sats and do a print screen so I can see what is up there?? And post that print screen! Thanks!
https://medium.com/@sjbarbeau/duel-frequency-gnss-on-android-devices-152b8826e1c
And if you want you can contact and share with Sean, thanks!
vq8acsxht said:
I may be wrong! Wow, that is good news! Can you lock on to some sats and do a print screen so I can see what is up there?? And post that print screen! Thanks!
https://medium.com/@sjbarbeau/duel-frequency-gnss-on-android-devices-152b8826e1c
And if you want you can contact and share with Sean, thanks!
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Here ya go
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Here ya go
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Wow, that is new. Looks like no software upgrade is needed. It looks like the euro sats were sending a blocking code signals for the US region in order to shut down the receiver portion in the Broadcomm chip (I would assume). So, it appears the same would be true for the china sats. With how many sats you are receiving, this phone is going to get great gps reception, now! I think I may get this phone when the global version comes out. I was really on the fence about this phone but with band 12, this phone will still get great coverage.
New device and having the same problem (EU). No GPS when indoors. If I go outside it works...
Is it a hardware defect or a software problem?
I was having the same issue. I did two things and guess one of them fixed it:
1 disable MiUi optimization in developer settings
2 give all permissions to Google play services. This was a little tricky as the default app manager doesn't allow you to modify Google play services permissions. I installed MIUP from Google play store and used the app manager to give the permissions.
GPS works fine indoors now
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I was having the same issue. I did two things and guess one of them fixed it:
1 disable MiUi optimization in developer settings
2 give all permissions to Google play services. This was a little tricky as the default app manager doesn't allow you to modify Google play services permissions. I installed MIUP from Google play store and used the app manager to give the permissions.
GPS works fine indoors now
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I did the 2nd. Google Play services had the "Location" permission turned off. This seems to have fixed it! Thanks
Is this normal? GPS signal seems to be very bad. Is there a solution?
Wrakor said:
I did the 2nd. Google Play services had the "Location" permission turned off. This seems to have fixed it! Thanks
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Did not help for me. GPS is still bad inside the building. However first step should have been important as GPS started working when I have turned of Wifi. Not sure if this was a coincidence or not.
Shilis said:
Is this normal? GPS signal seems to be very bad. Is there a solution?
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If you just bought the phone, take it outside. Some have reported that on the first lock, it may do a cold start an have GPS issues. Never the less, goto google play store and load the app "GPS Status" app in.
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Shilis said:
Did not help for me. GPS is still bad inside the building. However first step should have been important as GPS started working when I have turned of Wifi. Not sure if this was a coincidence or not.
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Your phone should get a minimum of 20 sats. The GPS is awsome on this phone even in indoors. GPS Status gets the AGPS data off the internet to speed up where the sats are. Taking it outside will do the same thing for the first time, also. Xiaomi MI Mix 3 may have a program to get the AGPS when connected to WIFI.
I'm in the state of Massachusetts, USA. My GPS wasn't working even though I was outside my house for about 4hrs since getting the phone. What worked for me was downloading the app mentioned above:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ndroid.gpstest
( thanks to vq8acsxht for posting) let it run and after a few minutes I noticed my GPS was working. Really was a pain... I tried ubering and my phone thought I was in some country in the continent of Africa lols

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