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Is it the right time to upgrade to AKU3?

I am using my Xda neo (flashed with traditional chinese version ROM, version 5.1.195(build 14847.2.0.0).
I believe I am using AKU2 and am wondering if this is the right time to upgrade to AKU3?
I have some questions:
1. What is "G3", "G4"? How can I know which one my Xda neo is?
2. I saw "AKU3 rom" with many different "'pool size". What they mean?
3. Any complete one-stop AKU3 package/procedures which I can just download and follow, in order to upgrade my Xda neo to AKU3?
Any BAD effect for AKU3 has been known on Xda neo so far?
Thanks

When your phone starts up you can see IPL and SPL at the boot screen, if it ends with .0001 then you have a G4 and when it does not you probably have a G3. Example: 2.15.0001 = G4
You cannot put a rom for G3 on a G4 and vice versa, it will brick your phone.
And I can't really comment which ROM is better since I'm still searching for a good ROM myself The AKU 3.2 seems to have some buggies, although the AKU 2.3 seems to be quite stable (reading from other people their comments).
As for pool size, I quote:
The large the paging pool is, the more code pages can present in RAM simultaneously -> the less loads from slow ROM -> the faster the device is.
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It seems they come with all different pool sizes. My guess is they cost some memory to gain some speed. But I have also read some people had some problems with the bigger pool size. So I guess you might wanna do a search for that.
And as for your question 3. I'm still trying to figure that out myself.
I know I have a G4 device, the IPL/SPL = 2.10.0001 but still I'm not quite sure which version is the best to use. e.g. the pdamobiz version says it's for 2.15.0001, it's for G4 but does that work on my device? I have no idea lol
And it also seems the Wiki isn't fully complete in that perspective. Once I know more I surely will try to update the wiki.

G4 roms on G3 device..?
Quote: Since HTC issued new IPL/SPL version 2.xx.0001, all tools that we use to cook the customize rom to be a single nk.nbf file can not be used because nk.nbf structure are different from the previous version. We were trying to hard to solve the problem. Futunately, we found the new method that save and convenince, because it will not touch with bootloader. Just active sync prophet with pc then run UPGRADE_ROM.bat.
This method can be used with any version of IPL/SPL of SPV M600, Qtek S200, i-mate JAMin, Dopod 818 Pro, XDA neo. Need not to unlock CID.
This is from the PDAmobiz thread, and if I get it right it says that you can install any rom (G3 or G4) on both G3 and G4 devices, if you just follow their instructions..
Is this true? Cause im thinking about trying their rom on my G3 device..
Can you upgrade a G3 to a G4 bootloader?
Thanks

Well, that is what I'm trying to figure out too It says so on their website although some confirmation about that might be nice.
And the filename of that ROM says it's for 2.15.0001. But I have no idea they named it like that to show it's for G4's or it's only for 2.15.0001 if you know what I mean.
And no, you cannot upgrade G3 to G4 bootloader as far as I know.

It would be really nice to know..
Im tried the "16Mb_AKU2.3_GSM02.30.21_Extrom-4PDA.ru.exe" ROM and it was really nice and fast.. Unfortunately it turned itself off in the middle of the night after just 2 days, and I can't afford to loose an important call (from work or whatever)..
Therefore im looking for a stable and still fast ROM that will work on my G3..

Just trying to speed things up...
I agree with the sentiments of Reef exactly. I am using the official I-mate ROM for my G3 Jamin. I would love to increase the speed of my device and decrease boot time from a soft reset. The 3.2 ROMs are tempting, but clearly have some showstopper problems. I was about to download and flash the 16MB AKU2.3 rom, but reading this thread stopped me. I am on call and rely on my phone 24/7.
I guess I have the same questions as Reef: Is there a rock-stable, fast 2.3 ROM with the paging file modification out there?
Is I-mate ever going to release an "official" upgraded ROM?
Does anyone have some more feedback on the cooked ROMs they're using?
Alan

At the moment I'm running AKU 2.3 with Radio ROM 2.30.21, G4 Device. And I must say it's very stable. Didn't even have to reset device yet.
I'm using: "PDAMobiz Editon Upgrade Rom for SPL 2.15.0001 v2307 - 16MB" from PDAMobiz.
Did try the AKU3 but I have to try to get it to work savely on my device, so for the moment I would say "no" to AKU3 for the Prophet...
Will test it for a week or so, will keep you all posted
By the way, as for the speed it's just slightly faster than my HTC Wizard with AKU3.2 both @ 240MHz But that could also be because of all the tweaks made to my Porphet. Will get back on this

Newbie question: What is G3, G4, etc - and how do I tell?

Hello - This forum is a great resource; unfortunately the wiki portion isn't quite ready yet...
I've done a forum search on this topic (using the "search" function), but it wasn't very useful. Google was more helpful - I've learned that apparently G3 or G4 has to do with the kind of flash memory used on a HTC Prophet.
How do I tell if my device uses G3 or G4 flash memory?
I just picked up a Dopod 818 Pro last week. It was brand new in the store, but I'm not sure when it was actually produced. The case features the newer, easier to read style Dopod logo (as opposed to the logo that looked like a bunch of circles with some dots above or below).
It seems to have the most basic/early ROM version there is - 1.0.13.21 WWE.
The ExtROM version is: 1.00.13.102. The ROM date is 11/24/05.
From what I'm reading here, I think my device would benefit greatly from a firmware upgrade.
To do that, I need to know - is this a G4 or G3 device? Do I need to CID unlock this device in order to put new firmware on it?
Thanks for your help and input.
-Dan

Hi Dan, if your SPL ends in .000 you have a G3 chip, if it ends .001 then you have G4. softreset you device to see the IPL and SPL version.
You will need to CID unlock your device before changing you ROM.

austin.tovey said:
You will need to CID unlock your device before changing you ROM.
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as i know, you don't have to CID unlock your device. You only have to change the Romupdateulility.exe (extract the downloaded .EXE file with winrar) with this file
ftp://[email protected]/Up...AKU2.3_LvsW_edition/ROMUpdateUtility_NoID.exe

Thanks a lot, everyone!
I have my Dopod up and running the latest 2.151327 firmware now!
The help is much appreciated.
Take it easy,
- Dan

Guys, just about to sell my Magician for ProphIt
Please advise what's the fuss about G3 and G4, is G4 better than G3. I mean, if other things are the same, what would you choose G3 or G4? what other advantages and disadvantages?
Thanks

Is My Device Is G3 Or G4???

hi all,
im new here ;-)
i have the dopod 818 pro.
how can i know if my device is g3 or g4???
what does it mean any way???
my device version is:
IPL:1.0
SPL:1.00.0000
GSM:01.13.20
OS:10.13.21
what upgrade can i use???
thanks for the help.

erezj said:
hi all,
im new here ;-)
i have the dopod 818 pro.
how can i know if my device is g3 or g4???
what does it mean any way???
my device version is:
IPL:1.0
SPL:1.00.0000
GSM:01.13.20
OS:10.13.21
what upgrade can i use???
thanks for the help.
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You are Lucky.
Its G3.

lucky???
why? did i win somthing ;-) ??
what does it mean?

erezj said:
lucky???
why? did i win somthing ;-) ??
what does it mean?
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Because you can easily downgrade and/or CID unlock a G3, but not a G4.
There is no way to CID unlock a G4 prophet.

coolfire74 said:
Because you can easily downgrade and/or CID unlock a G3, but not a G4.
There is no way to CID unlock a G4 prophet.
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Can i check with you. Is it true that before downgrading a G3, I have to CID unlock it first? Upgrading dun need to unlock right?

psfong said:
Can i check with you. Is it true that before downgrading a G3, I have to CID unlock it first? Upgrading dun need to unlock right?
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Yes, you are right.
I have a G4 prophet and a G3 Wizard. I did both SIM and CID unlock with the G3 wizard the second day after I got it. So, now I can freely install any ROM (shipped or customized) on it without any issue, no matter upgrade or downgrade, and no need to use no-vendor-id utility.
As for my G4 prophet, I can only upgrade (in terms of IPL and SPL version) it and I have to use no-vendor-id RUU utility to do this, since basically, the no-vendor-id utility will by pass the IPL version checking, after I tried several different ROMs, my IPL still stay the same. Since you can not downgrade it, everytime when you want to try a new ROM, it is tough decision, it is a one-way road....

How do you know if it's a G3 or G4???
Thnx in advance,
Annita

Where do you see the IPL/SPL information????
Thnx,
Annita

wen u power on ur device on the boot screen u c sm info. like
IPL 2.00.xxxx
SPL 2.00.xxxx
OS 2.15.13.x
dis is the info to determine whether ur device is G3 or G4.
if
IPL n SPL are like
2.00.0001 or 1.00.0001 den G4
if
2.00 or 1.00 den G3.

Thxn for the info.
Annita

So, ur device is G3 or G4, wich device are u using.

I'd better say my future-device . I'm gonna buy it tomorrow Monday or Tuesday and I'll see, but I wanted to know how to figure out if it's a G3 or G4...
Annita

Ok. Do let me knw wic device u bought.

OK, I will. I hope it's a G3...
Annita

Ya, G3 devices are easy to upgrade then G4, dey are CID unlocked.

I know.... That's why I want a G3...
Annita

Wic all Windows Mobile devices have u used till nw?

Mmmmmmm, none!
Annita

Finally is a G3, but I have a BIG, BIG, very BIG problem with ActiveSync. I can't synchronize my S200 and I can't update my ROM...
Annita

Annita said:
Finally is a G3, but I have a BIG, BIG, very BIG problem with ActiveSync. I can't synchronize my S200 and I can't update my ROM...
Annita
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Can you post your IPL / SPL from boot screen?

IPL/SPL 3.08 and new radio ROM 2.69.21

As nobody has posted this information here before: there're some news in the Prophet upgrading scene
IPL/SPL 3.08 update is out (adapted from the official t-mobile Germany AKU3.3 for HTC Charmer, thanks to our friends from 4pda.ru).
Be attended that for the moment there're no downgrading experiences to the AKU2.2!
[edit 1] Some users reported that it definetly works for G3 devices.
So if you upgrade your device to IPL/SPL 3.08 you will possibly not be able to go back to your original IPL/SPL (warranty!). Test it on your own risk!
[edit 2] Some users reported that it works for G3 devices. Details will follow.
Since there're different upgrade IPL/SPL ROM's available you've exactly to know which device you're owned (G3 or G4).
The new radio rom is for both, G3 and G4.
Also a new radio ROM 2.69.21 is available (don't wonder about italian Wizard's update utility). All user experiences are welcome
HTC Prophet IPL/SPL 3.08 G3 only!
HTC Prophet IPL/SPL 3.08 G4 only! (actually there're some problems with this package , please use the next one)
Repacked SPL update working solution for G4
HTC Prophet radio ROM 2.69.21 G3 and G4

What kind of problems/features is IPL/SPL related to?

rjtd said:
What kind of problems/features is IPL/SPL related to?
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Only HTC can answer this question
It's like a BIOS update for your PC.

redandr said:
Only HTC can answer this question
It's like a BIOS update for your PC.
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Is there any reason for a Prophet user to upgrade to the new one?

redandr said:
Be attended that for the moment there're no downgrading experiences to the AKU2.2!
So if you upgrade your device to IPL/SPL 3.08 you will possibly not be able to go back to your original IPL/SPL (warranty!). Test it on your own risk!
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Is this really true?
have any tried?

It is not possible to downgrade ipl/spl at all.
I don't understand the confusion here

does it only work with aku 3.3 roms or it can work with the latest Qtek official rom (aku 2.2)?

flykthewiz said:
It is not possible to downgrade ipl/spl at all.
I don't understand the confusion here
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There's no question about possibility to downgrade ipl/spl, there's a question about possibility to install an earlier AKU on such upgraded device, for example 220734_NoVID (AKU2.2).

redandr said:
There's no question about possibility to downgrade ipl/spl, there's a question about possibility to install an earlier AKU on such upgraded device, for example 220734_NoVID (AKU2.2).
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I want to know, too.
If I upgrade to IPL/SPL 3.08, can I install 2.20 QTEK ROM on it?

THX it doesnt work on my G4!!
Now i reburn old OS to bring the system up and running! He enter only the Bootloader.
[edit] i debug now!!
[edit 2] ok both doesnt work on a German S200 G4 (possible -> CID Lock make the problem!! or the firmware writer)
IPL/SPL Update hung at 2% and Radio Update too ... after them i must reburn the 02.61.21 Radio Rom
Note to every body ... dont use this upgrades!
[edit 3] i change now the firmware writer and test again!
[edit 4] ... redandr ... you use the wrong firmware writer! extract with winrar the Prophet_G3_G4_RadioRom_v2.61.21.exe in a directory. then i extract the nk.nbf file from your rom version ... then i put them over the v2.61.21 version and flash again ... then it works ... now i recompile the update and test ipl/spl update. if i am finish i upload a working version!!!
Change Log:
I have change the Firmware Writer!!
redandr use "ROMUpdateUtility_Wizard_NoID.exe" it hungs after 2%
i use the Firmware Writer from last 2.61.21 "newromupdateutility_noid.exe"
Then it works ... tested on two German S200 G4
HTC Prophet radio ROM 2.69.21 G3 and G4 NetrunnerAT
IPL/SPL doesnt work ... hung on 2% its a writer problem
Can somebody test it? Both Radio ROMs and tell use ... what version works?

NetrunnerAT, thank you for sharing your experiences.
For me Wizard's update utility worked without problems (for radio rom upgrade), didn't try to change ipl/spl (not necessary for me).

Radio Rom 2.69.21 works fine for me on my Qtek S200 G3... I used the upgrade from the first post... did not try the ipl/spl yet because I am not sure if need it...
so far, radio rom 2.69.21 is very good... I had some problem with 2.47 and 2.61 (phone not ready...)... but with this one, it seems to be ok...

Hello, sorry for my inexperience, so that it serves to update the IPL/SPL 3.08?. The fact is that really not so that it serves this update. That of the already this updated radio and working perfectly, even would say that the coverage gsm has improved.
Thank you

Same here! ROMUpdateUtility_Wizard_NoID.exe works without problems!
Working version also available at the XDA-Dev-FTP!

repack that works
SPL_3.08_Prophet_Updater_NVID_ONLY_G4 only for G4
don't have time to test right now but the first splash screen seems to take longer device boots up though normally
ipl not included as it wasn't in the first package
this is only for G4
G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4 G4

cr0ssy said:
repack that works
http://rapidshare.com/files/24826792/SPL_3.08_Prophet_Updater_NVID.rar
don't have time to test right now but the first splash screen seems to take longer device boots up though normally
ipl not included as it wasn't in the first package
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Great! It works again! I also had the problem of sticking at 2%.
@relandr
Maybe you can be so kind to update your first post?
Since it really causing problems when people want to upgrade to SPL 3.08

cr0ssy said:
repack that works
http://rapidshare.com/files/24826792/SPL_3.08_Prophet_Updater_NVID.rar
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Is this for G3 or G4?
ipl not included as it wasn't in the first package
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Which package do you mean, G3 or G4?

redandr said:
Is this for G3 or G4?
Which package do you mean, G3 or G4?
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Mine is a G4 and it worked with cr0ssy's file

redandr said:
Is this for G3 or G4?
Which package do you mean, G3 or G4?
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I think it for G4

can I upgrade ipl and spl without any problems?

Is my Qtek S200 G3 or G4?

This is what my PDA shows at start up:
IPL:2.09
SPL:2.09.0000
GSM: 02.07.20
OS: 2.9.7.24
Is it a G3 or G4 device? In the wiki it says that when SPL finishes in 000 is G3 and when it finishes in 0001 is a G4 device. But mine finishes in 0000! So, it's G3 or G4?
Thanks,
Daniel

Same question here I have a Qtek S200 as well.

I would say G3 but wait for others to reply. Look at my specs 2.09.0001 and it is a G4.

read the wiki guys...
the wiki is there to answer these questions...
here's the link:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Prophet
the answers are there.....

The wiki does not answer this question! You probably not even read my question, cause in the question I said the wiki doesn´t answer my doubt! So if you could help me I appreciate...

same here..mine has .0000 and i dont know if its G3 or G4..been looking for answers but...

danielivo said:
The wiki does not answer this question! You probably not even read my question, cause in the question I said the wiki doesn´t answer my doubt! So if you could help me I appreciate...
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It's in the wiki after all..hehe
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=prophet_g3g4_how

Now I know that it's a G3, cause until now some peaple was saying it's a G3 and some it's a G4.... hehe
They have updated the wiki today...

danielivo said:
They have updated the wiki today...
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right that was me.
seemed like a good idea at the time...
now I am not too sure
still say it's G3
but I have now removed this information as a precaution, until I get confirmation.
I have 2.10.0000 spl and had been advised to use G3 utility
I have used many without problems
Now on the Wizard thread I read the following:
G3 DEVICE: IPL/SPL: 1.XX or 2.XX or 2.XX.00X (only two zeros)
G4 DEVICE: IPL/SPL: 2.XX.000X(three zeros)
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The only visible difference between a G3 and a G4 device is when you soft reset your device and looking at the IPL and SPL version numbers that occur during startup.
G3 DEVICE: IPL/SPL: 1.XX or 2.XX or 2.XX.00X (only two zeros)
G4 DEVICE: IPL/SPL: 2.XX.000X(three zeros)
Note, X is representing a number.
So, how do you go about to CID-unlock your device? First, do you really have to? Well, in one word YES!, in order to install most of the custom-made ROMs from this site you have to have a device that is CID-unlocked...
If you have a G3 device the solution is pretty straightforward. just look here...
If you have a G4 device you have to go to imei-check.co.uk and pay £20 in order to get it unlocked. But you can help develop a solution that doen't require you to pay for it. Have a look at this thread.
NOTE: There are several posts that mention this subject, some claim that using the imei-check.co.uk method will not CID-unlock your device but only unlock the SIM. THIS IS NOT CORRECT! Your G4 device will be unlocked after this procedure.
Finally, never, ever, flash your G4 device with a ROM that is intended for a G3 device, make sure that is either made for G4 or doesn't contain a bootloader. If you for some reason you do, you'll have damaged (bricked) your Wizard permanently...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1061880#post1061880
so... for the Prophet? can someone clear this up once and for all? Mods?

So... The question remains: "SPL:2.09.0000 it's G3 or G4?"
I want to CID unlock my S200, but I'm afraid since I don't know for sure if it's G3 or G4...

danielivo said:
So... The question remains: "SPL:2.09.0000 it's G3 or G4?"
I want to CID unlock my S200, but I'm afraid since I don't know for sure if it's G3 or G4...
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Your S200 is G4!!!
SPL:2.09.0000 = 2.09.0000
2.XX.000X (Three Zeros) G4!!!