Newbie question: What is G3, G4, etc - and how do I tell? - JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 Software Upgrading

Hello - This forum is a great resource; unfortunately the wiki portion isn't quite ready yet...
I've done a forum search on this topic (using the "search" function), but it wasn't very useful. Google was more helpful - I've learned that apparently G3 or G4 has to do with the kind of flash memory used on a HTC Prophet.
How do I tell if my device uses G3 or G4 flash memory?
I just picked up a Dopod 818 Pro last week. It was brand new in the store, but I'm not sure when it was actually produced. The case features the newer, easier to read style Dopod logo (as opposed to the logo that looked like a bunch of circles with some dots above or below).
It seems to have the most basic/early ROM version there is - 1.0.13.21 WWE.
The ExtROM version is: 1.00.13.102. The ROM date is 11/24/05.
From what I'm reading here, I think my device would benefit greatly from a firmware upgrade.
To do that, I need to know - is this a G4 or G3 device? Do I need to CID unlock this device in order to put new firmware on it?
Thanks for your help and input.
-Dan

Hi Dan, if your SPL ends in .000 you have a G3 chip, if it ends .001 then you have G4. softreset you device to see the IPL and SPL version.
You will need to CID unlock your device before changing you ROM.

austin.tovey said:
You will need to CID unlock your device before changing you ROM.
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as i know, you don't have to CID unlock your device. You only have to change the Romupdateulility.exe (extract the downloaded .EXE file with winrar) with this file
ftp://[email protected]/Up...AKU2.3_LvsW_edition/ROMUpdateUtility_NoID.exe

Thanks a lot, everyone!
I have my Dopod up and running the latest 2.151327 firmware now!
The help is much appreciated.
Take it easy,
- Dan

Guys, just about to sell my Magician for ProphIt
Please advise what's the fuss about G3 and G4, is G4 better than G3. I mean, if other things are the same, what would you choose G3 or G4? what other advantages and disadvantages?
Thanks

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Is it the right time to upgrade to AKU3?

I am using my Xda neo (flashed with traditional chinese version ROM, version 5.1.195(build 14847.2.0.0).
I believe I am using AKU2 and am wondering if this is the right time to upgrade to AKU3?
I have some questions:
1. What is "G3", "G4"? How can I know which one my Xda neo is?
2. I saw "AKU3 rom" with many different "'pool size". What they mean?
3. Any complete one-stop AKU3 package/procedures which I can just download and follow, in order to upgrade my Xda neo to AKU3?
Any BAD effect for AKU3 has been known on Xda neo so far?
Thanks
When your phone starts up you can see IPL and SPL at the boot screen, if it ends with .0001 then you have a G4 and when it does not you probably have a G3. Example: 2.15.0001 = G4
You cannot put a rom for G3 on a G4 and vice versa, it will brick your phone.
And I can't really comment which ROM is better since I'm still searching for a good ROM myself The AKU 3.2 seems to have some buggies, although the AKU 2.3 seems to be quite stable (reading from other people their comments).
As for pool size, I quote:
The large the paging pool is, the more code pages can present in RAM simultaneously -> the less loads from slow ROM -> the faster the device is.
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It seems they come with all different pool sizes. My guess is they cost some memory to gain some speed. But I have also read some people had some problems with the bigger pool size. So I guess you might wanna do a search for that.
And as for your question 3. I'm still trying to figure that out myself.
I know I have a G4 device, the IPL/SPL = 2.10.0001 but still I'm not quite sure which version is the best to use. e.g. the pdamobiz version says it's for 2.15.0001, it's for G4 but does that work on my device? I have no idea lol
And it also seems the Wiki isn't fully complete in that perspective. Once I know more I surely will try to update the wiki.
G4 roms on G3 device..?
Quote: Since HTC issued new IPL/SPL version 2.xx.0001, all tools that we use to cook the customize rom to be a single nk.nbf file can not be used because nk.nbf structure are different from the previous version. We were trying to hard to solve the problem. Futunately, we found the new method that save and convenince, because it will not touch with bootloader. Just active sync prophet with pc then run UPGRADE_ROM.bat.
This method can be used with any version of IPL/SPL of SPV M600, Qtek S200, i-mate JAMin, Dopod 818 Pro, XDA neo. Need not to unlock CID.
This is from the PDAmobiz thread, and if I get it right it says that you can install any rom (G3 or G4) on both G3 and G4 devices, if you just follow their instructions..
Is this true? Cause im thinking about trying their rom on my G3 device..
Can you upgrade a G3 to a G4 bootloader?
Thanks
Well, that is what I'm trying to figure out too It says so on their website although some confirmation about that might be nice.
And the filename of that ROM says it's for 2.15.0001. But I have no idea they named it like that to show it's for G4's or it's only for 2.15.0001 if you know what I mean.
And no, you cannot upgrade G3 to G4 bootloader as far as I know.
It would be really nice to know..
Im tried the "16Mb_AKU2.3_GSM02.30.21_Extrom-4PDA.ru.exe" ROM and it was really nice and fast.. Unfortunately it turned itself off in the middle of the night after just 2 days, and I can't afford to loose an important call (from work or whatever)..
Therefore im looking for a stable and still fast ROM that will work on my G3..
Just trying to speed things up...
I agree with the sentiments of Reef exactly. I am using the official I-mate ROM for my G3 Jamin. I would love to increase the speed of my device and decrease boot time from a soft reset. The 3.2 ROMs are tempting, but clearly have some showstopper problems. I was about to download and flash the 16MB AKU2.3 rom, but reading this thread stopped me. I am on call and rely on my phone 24/7.
I guess I have the same questions as Reef: Is there a rock-stable, fast 2.3 ROM with the paging file modification out there?
Is I-mate ever going to release an "official" upgraded ROM?
Does anyone have some more feedback on the cooked ROMs they're using?
Alan
At the moment I'm running AKU 2.3 with Radio ROM 2.30.21, G4 Device. And I must say it's very stable. Didn't even have to reset device yet.
I'm using: "PDAMobiz Editon Upgrade Rom for SPL 2.15.0001 v2307 - 16MB" from PDAMobiz.
Did try the AKU3 but I have to try to get it to work savely on my device, so for the moment I would say "no" to AKU3 for the Prophet...
Will test it for a week or so, will keep you all posted
By the way, as for the speed it's just slightly faster than my HTC Wizard with AKU3.2 both @ 240MHz But that could also be because of all the tweaks made to my Porphet. Will get back on this

Limitation of G4 phones?

Hi,
I own a G4 Prophet (SPV M600 form Orange) and I have some questions about it :
- What are the limitations of a G4 device in comparison with a G3 one?
- What are the limitations of a CID-locked device?
- Do I have to SIM-Unlock my device to do any upgrade?
- Is there any way to do a backup of my rom, since it seems that I can't CID-Unlock it?
Thank you very much per advance
CID Unlock G4
You can CID unlock a G4 M600 it just costs £20
http://www.imei-check.co.uk/m600unlock.php
gerard lambert said:
Hi,
I own a G4 Prophet (SPV M600 form Orange) and I have some questions about it :
- What are the limitations of a G4 device in comparison with a G3 one?
- What are the limitations of a CID-locked device?
- Do I have to SIM-Unlock my device to do any upgrade?
- Is there any way to do a backup of my rom, since it seems that I can't CID-Unlock it?
Thank you very much per advance
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Since it seems that (please correct me if I'm wrong) with a G4 locked device, I can upgrade to several roms including WM6 "nghianga" and "smart clear" (maybe AKU3.3.07.ASERG and more?), I wonder what would be the benefits of unlocking my device? The only problem I see for now is that there is no way to backup my original rom...
Be patient, read Wizard forum about partial flashing ;>

Is my Qtek S200 G3 or G4?

This is what my PDA shows at start up:
IPL:2.09
SPL:2.09.0000
GSM: 02.07.20
OS: 2.9.7.24
Is it a G3 or G4 device? In the wiki it says that when SPL finishes in 000 is G3 and when it finishes in 0001 is a G4 device. But mine finishes in 0000! So, it's G3 or G4?
Thanks,
Daniel
Same question here I have a Qtek S200 as well.
I would say G3 but wait for others to reply. Look at my specs 2.09.0001 and it is a G4.
read the wiki guys...
the wiki is there to answer these questions...
here's the link:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Prophet
the answers are there.....
The wiki does not answer this question! You probably not even read my question, cause in the question I said the wiki doesn´t answer my doubt! So if you could help me I appreciate...
same here..mine has .0000 and i dont know if its G3 or G4..been looking for answers but...
danielivo said:
The wiki does not answer this question! You probably not even read my question, cause in the question I said the wiki doesn´t answer my doubt! So if you could help me I appreciate...
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It's in the wiki after all..hehe
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=prophet_g3g4_how
Now I know that it's a G3, cause until now some peaple was saying it's a G3 and some it's a G4.... hehe
They have updated the wiki today...
danielivo said:
They have updated the wiki today...
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right that was me.
seemed like a good idea at the time...
now I am not too sure
still say it's G3
but I have now removed this information as a precaution, until I get confirmation.
I have 2.10.0000 spl and had been advised to use G3 utility
I have used many without problems
Now on the Wizard thread I read the following:
G3 DEVICE: IPL/SPL: 1.XX or 2.XX or 2.XX.00X (only two zeros)
G4 DEVICE: IPL/SPL: 2.XX.000X(three zeros)
_Nomad_ said:
The only visible difference between a G3 and a G4 device is when you soft reset your device and looking at the IPL and SPL version numbers that occur during startup.
G3 DEVICE: IPL/SPL: 1.XX or 2.XX or 2.XX.00X (only two zeros)
G4 DEVICE: IPL/SPL: 2.XX.000X(three zeros)
Note, X is representing a number.
So, how do you go about to CID-unlock your device? First, do you really have to? Well, in one word YES!, in order to install most of the custom-made ROMs from this site you have to have a device that is CID-unlocked...
If you have a G3 device the solution is pretty straightforward. just look here...
If you have a G4 device you have to go to imei-check.co.uk and pay £20 in order to get it unlocked. But you can help develop a solution that doen't require you to pay for it. Have a look at this thread.
NOTE: There are several posts that mention this subject, some claim that using the imei-check.co.uk method will not CID-unlock your device but only unlock the SIM. THIS IS NOT CORRECT! Your G4 device will be unlocked after this procedure.
Finally, never, ever, flash your G4 device with a ROM that is intended for a G3 device, make sure that is either made for G4 or doesn't contain a bootloader. If you for some reason you do, you'll have damaged (bricked) your Wizard permanently...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1061880#post1061880
so... for the Prophet? can someone clear this up once and for all? Mods?
So... The question remains: "SPL:2.09.0000 it's G3 or G4?"
I want to CID unlock my S200, but I'm afraid since I don't know for sure if it's G3 or G4...
danielivo said:
So... The question remains: "SPL:2.09.0000 it's G3 or G4?"
I want to CID unlock my S200, but I'm afraid since I don't know for sure if it's G3 or G4...
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Your S200 is G4!!!
SPL:2.09.0000 = 2.09.0000
2.XX.000X (Three Zeros) G4!!!

ROM Update for Qtek A9100

Hi All:
I would like to update the rom to my Qtek , but I am a little confused about wich one is my model.
The info at start is:
IPL 2.26.0001
SPL 2.26.0001
GSM 02.44.11
OS 2.26.17.1
Which rom update is best suited for my Qtek ? I appreciate all the info you can give me.
Best wishes
Bert
Humbardi said:
Hi All:
I would like to update the rom to my Qtek , but I am a little confused about wich one is my model.
The info at start is:
IPL 2.26.0001
SPL 2.26.0001
GSM 02.44.11
OS 2.26.17.1
Which rom update is best suited for my Qtek ? I appreciate all the info you can give me.
Best wishes
Bert
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Based on the SPL version, that's a G4. Any ROM will be fine as long as it is marked as G4 safe, i.e. it contains no SPL code. Read carefully the ROM author's instructions and make sure it is compatible with G4 devices. Most recent ROMS are G4 safe, but some older releases may be for G3 devices only.
Before flashing, make sure you read the general instructions for flashing ROMs on G4 devices. Failure to follow them could brick your device!
About which ROM: that's a matter of taste. Read up on them, browse features and screenshots, check the user comments, and choose the one you like best. I'm using the TNT ROM by itsright and I'm happy with it. I have a G4 Qtek 9100 too.
ineluki said:
Based on the SPL version, that's a G4. Any ROM will be fine as long as it is marked as G4 safe, i.e. it contains no SPL code. Read carefully the ROM author's instructions and make sure it is compatible with G4 devices. Most recent ROMS are G4 safe, but some older releases may be for G3 devices only.
Before flashing, make sure you read the general instructions for flashing ROMs on G4 devices. Failure to follow them could brick your device!
About which ROM: that's a matter of taste. Read up on them, browse features and screenshots, check the user comments, and choose the one you like best. I'm using the TNT ROM by itsright and I'm happy with it. I have a G4 Qtek 9100 too.
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Very true !
I'll just add here that always remember a G4 device can never be CID unlocked like a G3 device,but it can be upgraded to wm6 by applying methods 'HardSPL' or 'SoftSPL',read about them in the G4 forum posted as 'Stickies'

a little help please

hi i have hts 8125.
IPL and SPL both are 2.25.
the phone is unlocked. just wonderind as it is a G3 phone can i upgrade to any available wm6 rom for wizard ? or are there any specific on for G3 phones ??
thank you
read the wiki, I can answer you here that you have a G3 phone but I don't want you to flash your phone without reading the stuff. cheers.

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