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Best WM6 ROM

Right now i have Faria's "the real thing", is there a better ROM out there right now, like his new kitchen ROM? I am still new to the whole flashing thing and "the real thing" was my first time flashing a ROM and all, so i prefer to not switch unless its a really good change. Plus the kitchen ROM seems kinda confusing to do. So are there any suggestions about a better ROM for my SIM and CID unlocked G3 T-Mobile US Wizard?
PS: sorry its not a poll, to lazy to do it

xplore 2.0

Isn't that still a beta, so wouldnt it have a lot of problems? I also would like to know if by changing WM6 ROM would i have to reinstall of my software and stuff?

Hold on! How could you have flashed before and not know the answer to that question yourself? Yes, it will wipe all your data and flash your phone to whatever the cooker made it to be.
Make sure you know what you're doing, do a little more reading first.

I knew it would delete it, but i thought that might just be WM5 to WM6 and if you just change WM6 to WM6 it wouldnt do it, but thanks for confirmation. Do u have a reccomendation for another ROM or should i just stick with "the real thing"?

Hey I just switched from farias real rom to xplore 1.1 and I have to say, I am been very pleased with the switch, and even more excited about xplore 2.0.
If you really don't want to flash your phone too many times in the future, I would hold out for xplore 2.0 to come out (hopefully should be out by the end of the week) and flash that.
For keeping your software and information, of course you can use activesync to get some of your programs back up, farias rom I believe came with PIM Backup (if not get it), which allows you to restore your text messages and call logs and such.
One thing to note... Xplore is alot clean rom than farias. By that I mean there isn't alot of extra stuff installed on it from start. 2.0 will definitely be designed that way as well (super clean). So take note of farias real rom post and programs you use a bit on it, because your probably want to go search for the cab files after you flash.

killerkhatiby009 said:
Isn't that still a beta, so wouldnt it have a lot of problems? I also would like to know if by changing WM6 ROM would i have to reinstall of my software and stuff?
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For anichillus beta means - Well, have to test.
But there are only 2 liitle bugs to be solved and then it is readdy. Because Xplore1.1 was even good.

So your saying xplore 2.0 over faria's new kitchen ROM? Do u know when xplore 2.0 the final version is coming out?

killerkhatiby009 said:
So your saying xplore 2.0 over faria's new kitchen ROM? Do u know when xplore 2.0 the final version is coming out?
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I say my opinion - nothing over another. Just I prefer this clean base ROM.
Won´t take long. Just read the end of the Xplore 2.0 thread. There are only two more bugs.

What does it mean for a ROM to be "clean"? and what are the advantages of it being "clean"? Also is it the same thing as a ROM being Vanilla? Im still kinda new to the whole Flashing ROMs and stuff.

killerkhatiby009 said:
What does it mean for a ROM to be "clean"? and what are the advantages of it being "clean"? Also is it the same thing as a ROM being Vanilla? Im still kinda new to the whole Flashing ROMs and stuff.
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Clean means - nothing included. No apps, no customizings, no tweaks.
YOu can add all by your own. but if you would like to start a little eaysier.
Try Xplore 1.1

killerkhatiby009 said:
What does it mean for a ROM to be "clean"? and what are the advantages of it being "clean"? Also is it the same thing as a ROM being Vanilla? Im still kinda new to the whole Flashing ROMs and stuff.
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nevermind )

Clean typically means that it is stripped down of added programs and unnecessary items. A lot of the rom cookers are trying to come up with clean (also labeled vanilla) roms so that people can start cooking their own roms with a really good base to start off. I haven't tried farias rom that is included with the kitchen yet... but if its made by faria, its going to be good.
One thing to note about roms, is there isn't necessarily one thats better than another. Every rom is made for a purpose and to the cookers liking. One might be blazing fast with a crap load of free ram, while another one might be set up with alot of tweaks and programs that are more to your liking. With the kitchens that have been created, and the good amount of base roms coming out, we should see a lot of custom roms in the next couple of months.
My best suggestion, look at whats in the roms. Most roms have their own thread that lists what programs are included, and a lot times unique aspects of their rom.

killerkhatiby009 said:
What does it mean for a ROM to be "clean"? and what are the advantages of it being "clean"? Also is it the same thing as a ROM being Vanilla? Im still kinda new to the whole Flashing ROMs and stuff.
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Clean and Vanilla basically mean the same thing. It means they are "plain". Nothing added to them, so they don't have all sorts of extra programs built into them or anything. The idea is to give you more memory and storage space, and hopefully make it run faster. Then you can add programs you want to it.
I've used XPlore 1.1 and now Faria Vanilla (both Beta version and now one I "cooked" with the ROM Kitchen but not adding anything to it yet beyond what was in the choices of the default kitchen options). Both ROMs are very fast and I honestly can't say I prefer one over the other. I'm sticking with the Faria one now though as (for some reason) to me it just feels solid (but I can't tell you why XPlore 1.1 didnt' feel that way to me). There are LOTS of people that swear by the XPlore roms and 2.0 looks to be very nice. But for now I'll stay with the Faria one (and may look at cooking up some of the things I use into the rom directly with the included kitchen so I have my own version of it that fits me).
If you want to try the Faria Vanilla, you have to download the entire kitchen, and then under the devwiz directory, there is a flashrom directory. You can run the Updater in there, and you will have the basic Faria Vanilla (clean) WM6 without messing with the kitchen itself.
Otherwise install XPlore 1.1 (or wait for 2.0)... You'll be happy either way (i'm guessing).
BTW: Don't forget there is also NotTooSmart's WM6 which is good, NoBigDeal (NBD) which gets good reviews, and WM6 Business Edition (also getting good reviews). Read the first post of each of the threads to see what is in the rom (or missing from it) and decide what fits you best. They all basically are the same beyond that (without getting technical).

The X-Plore 2.0 Rom is scheduled for a hopeful release date of next week.
In the name of our lord(s) let us pray...
Lol j/k
Anyway I have to agree with some of the posters above I absolutrly love 1.1. And I have to agree it is by far the best rom ever created. That just me. It varies depending on your tastes. Like I prefer a nice clean rom that already has the tweaks installed so I don't have to. That kkinda thing. Some people like their roms preloaded with a stuffload of apps. Ya know.

aestivalisakito said:
Anyway I have to agree with some of the posters above I absolutrly love 1.1. And I have to agree it is by far the best rom ever created. That just me.
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Not to go off topic and not to start a "this rom is better than that rom" war, but I'm just curious about a statement like this (yes I know its an over exageration but still)... If you are going to claim that something is "the best rom ever created" can you also state what roms that have been created that you have tested before making this statement? I try to be clear when I post that I've tried this rom or that rom before I state this is my favorite, or fits my needs, or whatever by giving examples of other roms I've tried. But without knowing what roms you have tried before you claim something is "the best" I have no basis to know what you think its better than (other than it just works and you don't plan on switching to another rom now).
Again, this isn't an attempt to bait a rom war, but I like to be able to know what people have tried in the past and what they now really like based on their past history of other roms (I've seen some people that in one post say they just flashed from WM5 to a custom rom, then in another post claim that rom is better than any other rom out there. I like seeing people excited about great roms, but lets keep it in perspective to what they have tried before the one they now claim is the greatest).
Also, as aestivalisakito even points out, what one person wants is not what someone else may want, so its all personal opinion based on that person's needs (which also usually isn't known).

While I am going to ignore the fact that your messenge seems to be dripping with sarcasm however I could be wrong. Believe it or nolt I have tested Most of farias roms, and also some of the older ones. I have successfully flashed my wizard over 22 times with 9 different roms.
Now that having been said I DID state ''thats just me'' because that's what it is. I also stated that it all depends on your taste of roms and that you have to try multiple. I will state this again:
Code:
And I have to agree it is by far the best rom ever created. That just me. It varies depending on your tastes. Like I prefer a nice clean rom that already has the tweaks installed so I don't have to. That kkinda thing. Some people like their roms preloaded with a stuffload of apps.
BTW just kidding about the sarcasm

Right now IMO the fastest rom is BE rom and

Underground
Having tested them ALL when they came out
>>>>> Always went back to UNDERGROUND !
Cheers
hrb

installing apps vs cooking
hey guys, maybe someone can enlighten me.I think i've read somewhere that cooking ur own rom (in terms of adding ur own apps) causes a lesser RAM consumption than installing the apps.
What i'm trying to ask is..if I have a vanilla ROM,is it true that by cooking that ROM and adding the apps that i want,i'll end up with a rom that will consume less RAM in comparison to -> a vanilla ROM and installing all those apps (instead of cooking)?...
I've read someone say it is so but if it's true, how much of a difference really? thanks!

The difference between the different releases?

I feel terrible for making such a novice post, but I figure better safe than sorry. I have been searching the forum for awhile now trying to find a definitive answer, but I haven't been able to so . . .
What is the best, or most stable release of Windows Mobile 6 available here? There are so many different versions, I just can't tell. Do I use Core 2.0 or Faria's build? WHICH faria build? Or should I choose another?
Sorry for my stupidity, but I would really like to know what to pick before I stick with one.

You're gonna get opinions from different angles, but I'd suggest going with "popularity", which comes down to the latest Faria or Xplore 2.0. There really isn't a definitive answer, just your own experience to guide you.
I'm sure either one is just fine for you, but before starting, READ EVERYTHING a number of times to ensure you understand everything you're about to partake in and possible issues. Regardless of which ROM you use, if you don't understand the basics of flashing a locked or unlocked CID phone, using the bootloader, recovering a botched load, using shelltool and the associated CABS, a registry editor... you get the picture. I'd say go with whichever seems best for you, since you'll probably end up customizing it anyway per your taste and usage. Just get the facts before you start, and hopefully prevent a headache or worse. Both are vanilla, and should be a good choice. Hope this helps.
-Matt

So what is the big difference between Core and Faria's build? I see those as being the two "big" releases. I understand they're both vanilla, which I like, so I can install my own things, but what are the differences between the two?

Dr Other said:
So what is the big difference between Core and Faria's build? I see those as being the two "big" releases. I understand they're both vanilla, which I like, so I can install my own things, but what are the differences between the two?
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My best suggestion would be to compare the inital posts in their threads to see what was added / changed. They both pretty good about listing updates. As far as the base image goes, from what I've found, they all originated from the same source. Maybe someone can correct me if I'm mistaken.
-Matt

I have just recently switched from Faria's rom to Xplore 2.0 and i find xplore much better, i just feel its faster. But really its all just personal opinion. Try em both out, once you get the hand of flashing it isn't really that hard JUST MAKE SURE YOU READ EVERYTHING CAREFULLY!!!. So flash one try it out, then flash the other one and try it out, then choose whichever one you liked best. Some people will say Faria's is better some will say xplore, and some will say other ones. It is really an opinion. Hope this helps

Thank you for the help! That was very prompt! I think I'm going to give Faria's a go, then probably Core 2.0. But before that, one last question -
Is a new build by Faria coming out soon? In his stickied thread about his rom and kitchen, he says "ANYway..... A V3 ROM is coming in days.......this will be a rom and not a RK.... it contains new radio stack,new windows live,new office mobile 12!,bt printing,new voice comand,new shell, etc etc....fixed windows mobile over activesync,fixed com,new default theme...and more."
So is this 'v3 rom' going to be what I want to wait for? Is that a new version of the vanilla, base rom I want? I'm not interested in the kitchen (which I assume is the "rk") but instead just want a clean rom which I can install a few programs on. So, should I wait for this next release?

i've tried both core 2 and faria. I like Faria better. the speed seemed to be the same and it came with everything I need. I'm on core 2 right now and it is missing a few things I want. plus there are a few bugs that bother me. and the MMS isn't working for me like it did in Faria. I work for t-mobile so I know the settings are correct. I'm waiting for the new Faria, I can't wait for that.

I really don't know much about his new ROM, but if you want you can wait, i waited for Xplore 2.0 to come out, but you never know how long you'll have to wait for it, as every new version will have fixes and stuff. If you want to go ahead and wait, it will save you the trouble of having to get all your programs and settings back, but if you really hate the ROM your on now, go ahead and switch, and then update again when the new one comes out. I always wait a couple of days when a new ROM comes out as to see if there are any big problems that people report and get answered that way when i flash it i am ready for the problem and know how to fix it. But thats just my 2 cents. (don't really know when to use this phrase, but i always wanted to say it, sorry if it doesn't make sense. )

What is the best, or most stable release of Windows Mobile 6 available here?
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NBD 5.1 ? ..
its not overloaded, stable as rock, and mem/speed is optimal. just ROM for agerage user, imo.
for people, that are in need for speed and space, theres xplore 2.0, or 1.1, its cleaned from some apps.
this may be good:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305903

Should I keep the AT&T Tilt ROM or try the HTC (or some other) ROM?

Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave

I get my Tilt Tuesday and am wondering what the "bottom line" is on this as well. It seems by removing bloatware, and installing a few cabs, you pretty much get a Kaiser. Speed and battery life are concerns for me though and if either is poor, I'm pretty comfortable installing a ROM (did it previously on my Wizard). Thanks to all for all the good info and advice. I've read way too much considering I don't even have the phone yet.

Hopefully we'll get an answer. On another forum I've read that you can install cabs to make the Tilt like the HTC, but on another thread I read that the HTC rom is different and better!
I'm not seeing any major disadvantages from using the HTC rom, actually, besides the menu problems which evidently have a fix. So, it might be worth a shot.

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dhecker said:
Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave
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custom roms base on htc releases have many advantages:
1- get rid of all junk and restrictions of at&t one
2- reg hacks and fixes that take the most out of your phone
3- many more advantages but if numbered here will take me all night
search in these forum and you get many other reasons to change. For example i bought the tilt and in the same day i unlock it due a hardspl and change the rom to a custom one and beleive i will never come back to at&t stock rom.

I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live

Pops_G said:
I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live
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Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!

It all comes down to preferrences. I have a Tilt, and I have installed just about every ROM available here. I keep going back to HTC oriented ROMS, but there is some drawback in that you have to "tweak" it a bit usually to get full AT&T usability. AT&T ROMS are good for staying "true" to the carrier's mindset, but usually are buggy or slower. Dutty's right now is my fav, but that could change
Battery life is best controlled with 2 applications, both the Kaiser Tweak program, and with a good comm manager program to disable comm when not in use. Or at least move between 2G and 3G connections. 3G is awesome fast, but a hugh battery drain.

Thanks for your input! I played with a Tllt for a while and the AT&T rom might have been slower (I don't know cause I've never seen the HTC!) but it was totally stable as far as I could tell. Is there some specific bugginess that you saw or are you just referring to the general sloppiness of the AT&T bundles, etc.?

dhecker said:
Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!
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No, there is nothing you cannot do with the AT&T rom given enough time and tweaking. Before I got my phone I some how got the impression ROMs where almost like a different animal. I think a better analogy would be comparing them to a house with furniture. The different ROMs are just different styles.
But if you are a real power user, and it sounds like you are, I would just use another ROM and start from there. You will save some time. I'm a fan of the "clean" ROMs that some with almost nothing installed. Then I build them up from there. They are very easy to install if you read the instructions. And it only takes like 10-15 mins max.

Pops - That last comment was interesting. I can totally see the advantage of installing a lite rom or for that matter, a fully loaded Dutty's rom, etc. My concern was that if I did that, I'd actually wind up having to tweak for a while to get things smooth on the Tilt since I wouldn't be using the 'stock' rom. The assumption is the everything would work on day 1 with the stock rom, so I can tweak but I never have to really get things going.
In your experience, if I installed the most recent version of Dutty's Hybrid Kaiser TouchFlo Final (if I'm gonna flash the rom, I might as well load it up) that things would be about as stable/easy as if I spent time customized the AT&T rom?
If there's not too much risk or BS I might just go for it! There is something about keeping the original rom that makes me feel more confident, but it's also fun to tweak on the thing!

Well there are two types of Kaisers right now. The original HTC branded one and the Tilt. They are different in 2 ways. For the Tilt, some roms require you to install a keyboard fix for a minor adjustment. Also you have to configure the AT&T internet settings. It depends on the ROM. Some of the ROMs are already designed for the Tilt.
To answer your question, yes some of these ROMs can have you up and running without any tweaking or adjustments at all. Just read their instructions, it varies for each one.
For me, if I start with a stripped down ROM it takes me about 2 hours or more to install all of my apps and tweaks. For the fully featured ROMs like Dutty's, you can be ready to go in 20-30mins.

I installed the HTC stock ROM on my Tilt for the same reason I install reference drivers for my video card:
1. They are more true to the manufacturer's specifications.
2. There are more frequent and faster updates available.
Number 2 was the most important for me, even though HTC has not released an updated ROM yet...but when they do, I know that I can install it and it will be closer to what I have been using.
I had the Tilt ROM installed for a few weeks before I reverted to the HTC ROM. I also installed the HTC customizations on the Tilt ROM and played with that for a while. I noticed slight differences between the applications like the HTC Home application UI behavour has minor differences. There was also more available memory on the HTC ROM from the Tilt ROM even after I cancelled the Tilt customizations from installing.

Oh here is a neat program to help you test different ROMs without losing your contacts, SMS, call history etc.
PIM Backup

Have to throw my 2 cents in also.
Just got the Tilt last month,and after my initial fear of flashing(and succesfully installing HARDSPL) I've flashed lots of these ROM's too. I however, have to agree with Pops_G, the best solution I've found has been a "clean ROM" and customize it the way I want. I prefer the ATT versions over the monochrome/big clock/UGLY UI that the Kaiser ones have. I've been using Kyphur's Tilt XDA-Live v1.1 and love it. It provides the most storage of ANY of the custom ROMs and has the newest radio also. It shows a significant difference in my area;where the signal borders on weak.
Alemaker

Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..

dhecker said:
Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..
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Give yourself some time with each Rom (a few days) to really get a feel for it. Also know that your battery is going to be crap for a couple of weeks until it is properly "conditioned" so don't even include that in your comparison.
Another thing you need to consider what are you looking to gain from using a cooked rom? While it can be nice to have a lot of apps mixed in once there is a new version of an app you have to either flash an updated rom or install the update over the cooked version in which case you are now losing memory as the files in the rom can't really be deleted (only marked as such)...

kypher: Thanks for your input. I am interest in your comment about having apps in the rom, space, etc.
Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.

dhecker said:
Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.
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Technically you can update (or even delete) the apps that are cooked in BUT... you've already paid in storage space for the files. When you upgrade the cooked files are marked as deleted so the files from the cab can overwrite them BUT... the files can't actually be deleted so if you have a 4MB program (like MS Voice Command) cooked in and you get an upgrade then you are actually paying 8MB of storage for the program now.
In short, even though the files are marked as deleted and you phone acts like they are deleted, you can't recover the memory they used if the files are cooked into the Rom. This is the primary reason I'm stripping XDA Live down as close to the undershorts as I can.

Well, the phone came this afternoon and I've been fooling around with it ever since. So far, so good!
I like the AT&T Tilt setup a lot. But, being a long-time geek I just couldn't resist and now I'm flashing Dutty's Tilt Rom. I'll play with that for a while, then maybe think about a long-term setup. It's kind of nice being able to flash the rom as I don't have to worry too much about screwing up the configuration since I can reflash at any time.
much fun! thanks everyone

I would like to try different ROMs as well, but I would like to be able to go back to ATT Tilt ROM if need be. How can I backup my original ATT ROM, so that I can flash back to it, if I needed to?

Which is a Best ROm WM6 UNiversal?

Which is a Best ROm WM6 UNiversal
test post test rom here
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Different ROMs have different reasons to be liked. It depends what you want from a ROM as the cookers have put different things in them. All of them are very good.
It's best you check out each of the ROM forums and see what best suits you.
Personally, I've installed quite a few of them to find which suits my needs the best.

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There are a lot of threads about this
Personally I would recommend Tomal ROM´s definetly
Good luck, and READ the Wiki

Since I Install Each Rom > going to be hanging or have some problems
I wanna to know what is the best Rom That Most Of Users Tested It, And anyway is Good ROM
Please Introduce me a Rom.please Tell Me The ROM Names With Link For Download

ll_ppl said:
Since I Install Each Rom > going to be hanging or have some problems
I wanna to know what is the best Rom That Most Of Users Tested It, And anyway is Good ROM
Please Introduce me a Rom.please Tell Me The ROM Names With Link For Download
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My recommendation is that you READ and LEARN as most of all here made it when entered this site by first time, that´s the best way for you to know what is the best ROM.
Good luck

It's your choice
Take Tomal's V8.2 and be happy.
Or simply try all self.

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There are a lot of threads about this
Personally I would recommend Tomal ROM´s definetly
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Same thought

try this
try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=421102 not bad at all stable so far and fast

It does not exist yet
<Sorry for lengthy one.. but its one of the FAQ time and again asked and clarified>
Seriously..
A perfect super ROM that is WM6 or WM6.1 for Universal does not EXIST as device is not made for WM6 and above, whatever available is simply ported and made to work for Universal by tweeking the stuff.
The best ROM for Universal is undoubtedly the one that came with it.
I own Uni since 2005 and really have not faced any issues with the stuff that came with it and everything just works as expected.
Everything else simply works for a period till another version out or little longer till you get equally frustrated with it, something or other will be wrong with any of the cooked ROMs for simple reason that the cookers may not allocate equal amount of time/resources for developing and testing like M$ .
If you dont bother about the missing/nonworking features of a ROM that is cooked that contain most of your requirements, simply flash it and use it.
Feedback the comments/findings back through this forum, if cooker finds time or feels need to fix them, look for another version from them.
In my observation since I joined (last two months) and comments by experienced users who joined this site years back almost same and the efforts are to make Uni live longer and keep the enthusiasm of cookers and their passion to share their work and knowledge. Nothing is being claimed in response except some good thank you messages and encouraging notes and small donations to keep them singing. So its all your call as rightly disclaimed by cookers

I am not agree that "The best ROM for Universal is undoubtedly the one that came with it."
Perhaps could be the more stable but not the best, as wm6.1 comes with a lot of new features to take more advantage of devices.

Wanted: ROM WM6.x for Uni with support for Scandinavian keyboard and BT Sound
Hi all,
After scanning the forum for this topic in the last 2 days (it has been raining all weekend, and the wife is going horsbackriding, nothing else to do...), I decided to put up this post.
A lot has been said about "What is the best WM6.x ROM for Uni". I am still running on the original ROM and WM5. No complaints. Only this that I would like to see improved is the available RAM for storage. When installing software on my Jasjar, I always install on SD when possible. But som software is just screaming for installation on the device. And this makes installing new software always a challenge.
Right now this is what I have in memory:
Storage: total 43.50, in use: 39.04, free: 4.46
Program: total 50.16, in use: 28.78, free: 21.38
So I started wondering if one of the new WM6.x ROMs would improve my memory problem? I use Opera, skype and msn the oftest of all default windows programs. All other are the ones I purchased/downloaded like GPS/navigation, mediaplayers, weather, alarm, backup and wifi scanner, among other.
What I find most important when going for a new ROM, is better memory, BT sound (don't need a2dp, I have a Jabra BT8040 that does the trick for me in mono), and Scandinavian keyboard. Oh yes, and real time push email. Guess this means I need at the least AKU2.
Now this last one I am not sure if the keyboard option is supported per default. I use the sym button to get access to the special characters like ø,æ and å.
That my Jasjar gets the look of a Touch Pro 2 is a nice bonus, but not a must ;-). I am so pleased with my Jasjar, even after 4 years of daily usage, I still am convinced that there is still no worthy alternative available. Even though I have been flirting with the Touch Pro 2....
So guys, what are my options?

Well the options you have
1) use the same rom LOL
2) Use the rom's here some of them have more free storage...
i'm flashed to thingonaspring v1.1 which gives you 40.69 mb free memory after flashing.... And the one with most free storage memory is contullas rom... but after flashing to this rom you would need to do doc format every time you reflash another rom and it is bit old build now...
3)Or simply get bigger sd card
4) well about the looks there are lots of GUI software like WAD2, rltoday, home++ , SPB mobile shell, etc so use some of those themes for new looks..

Been using Tomal 8.81 for a while and so far fast and stable, recommend.

I can recommend Tomal's 8.5 too. I'm using it for several months without problems: fast and stable.

Too many ROMS to choose from!

Hi guys,
I'd like to try a custom ROM again, but with the almost 100s available I'd rather ask the question - I'm looking for a normal standard Raphael ROM with just the standard apps on as it came out on the Raphael.
So basicly just a straight dump from Raphael HTC rom to go onto a Kaiser (with the neccesary tweaks of course to make it work). No other personalised apps, schemes, etc etc.
Are there something like this?

You probably can port a ROM from Raphael.

stoutseun said:
Hi guys,
I'd like to try a custom ROM again, but with the almost 100s available I'd rather ask the question - I'm looking for a normal standard Raphael ROM with just the standard apps on as it came out on the Raphael.
So basicly just a straight dump from Raphael HTC rom to go onto a Kaiser (with the neccesary tweaks of course to make it work). No other personalised apps, schemes, etc etc.
Are there something like this?
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Well seeing as how the Raphael has TF3D, that narrows your search down to about 2 ROMS L26 V4 or -G-'s SE TF3D! But if you are looking for simple and easy for daily use without alot of tweaking you are not going to want TF3D! I would go with -G-'s SE TF2D or Hyperdragon Raphael build! You are going to get alot of suggetions because ROMs are different for each person, the easy thing to do is ask but the best thing to do is try them out and gain valuable exp for yourself!

dashmaster1000 said:
Well seeing as how the Raphael has TF3D, that narrows your search down to about 2 ROMS L26 V4 or -G-'s SE TF3D! But if you are looking for simple and easy for daily use without alot of tweaking you are not going to want TF3D! I would go with -G-'s SE TF2D or Hyperdragon Raphael build! You are going to get alot of suggetions because ROMs are different for each person, the easy thing to do is ask but the best thing to do is try them out and gain valuable exp for yourself!
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He could also look at -G-'s SE TL ROM. Gives about the same functionality as TF3D but is usable on daily basis

http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php

dashmaster1000 said:
Well seeing as how the Raphael has TF3D, that narrows your search down to about 2 ROMS L26 V4 or -G-'s SE TF3D! But if you are looking for simple and easy for daily use without alot of tweaking you are not going to want TF3D! I would go with -G-'s SE TF2D or Hyperdragon Raphael build! You are going to get alot of suggetions because ROMs are different for each person, the easy thing to do is ask but the best thing to do is try them out and gain valuable exp for yourself!
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you forgot anryls roms

msd24200 said:
you forgot anryls roms
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Right, my bad! I guess I should have just said try them all! All the ROMs here are works of art!

dashmaster1000 said:
Well seeing as how the Raphael has TF3D, that narrows your search down to about 2 ROMS L26 V4 or -G-'s SE TF3D! But if you are looking for simple and easy for daily use without alot of tweaking you are not going to want TF3D! I would go with -G-'s SE TF2D or Hyperdragon Raphael build! You are going to get alot of suggetions because ROMs are different for each person, the easy thing to do is ask but the best thing to do is try them out and gain valuable exp for yourself!
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Or the ROM I'm currently using. Or just do like we did and try them, everyone's opinion here is definitely different. YMMV

flash, flash, flash no sleep needed you will find the rom you like, then sleep

stylez said:
flash, flash, flash no sleep needed you will find the rom you like, then sleep
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ROFL!! Right, once you pop you cant stop!

dashmaster1000 said:
ROFL!! Right, once you pop you cant stop!
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There should be some sort of goverment guidelines for flashing, there is but not in this variety

stylez said:
There should be some sort of goverment guidelines for flashing, there is but not in this variety
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Yea, I get strange looks from my girl when I tell her I have been flashing all day!

Guys,
actually, have you paid attention to your programme memory of all those different roms. I found dutty's last one has the most programme memory 95M which I think was the reason why it is so fast and stable..
what do you think?

NooWay said:
Guys,
actually, have you paid attention to your programme memory of all those different roms. I found dutty's last one has the most programme memory 95M which I think was the reason why it is so fast and stable..
what do you think?
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95mb not free but overall right?
this because have 6mb poolpage with this way have more mb free.. but is not so fast than dynamic pagepool

There are two types of people here, those that like flashing new ROMs every chance they get, and if I were a psychiatrist, I would diagnose those with ADD ( Attention Deficit Disorder candidates), and those that want a stable ROM that they would show it off to their friends, and keep it for a long time; a ROM that is reliable and fast and has many programs. The first type of people are adventurous however when they flash a new ROM, and if it glitches a bit, they get frustrated and wished they would have stayed with their previous ROM. BUT they go on and try other ROMs for hopes they come across one that is even better than their previous one they liked.
So which person are you? do you intend to flash often for the sake of flashing or you just want one that has most user programs and looks somewhat good? OK ... let us know and we'll guide you then toward the "Ultimate" ROM that would satisfies your curiosity and fits your personality.

To be honest, I've tried all Dutty's, L26, Hyperdragon, PDACorner, Garmin (3 editions) and I'm still unable to choose one !
When he was active Dutty was the best, but now all these ROMs are just beautiful, and I've been flashing for a couple of days, and still unable to make my choice.
It becomes frustrating at the end, because our Chefs are so great that they release a new ROM each week...
As someone said before (forgot who, sorry)
"You're like a kid in a candy shop".

asfoor said:
...and those that want a stable ROM that they would show it off to their friends, and keep it for a long time; a ROM that is reliable and fast and has many programs. The first type of people are adventurous however when they flash a new ROM, and if it glitches a bit, they get frustrated and wished they would have stayed with their previous ROM. BUT they go on and try other ROMs for hopes they come across one that is even better than their previous one they liked.
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Hehe, very true! I've done the ROM hopping on the Kaiser and previous Vox, but is now more after the stable quick easy-to-use one ;-) Hence i actually moved back to a standard HTC ROM (but there's still that customization side that needs tickling...)
Thanks for the replies so far.. I'll the ones mentioned.

stylez said:
flash, flash, flash no sleep needed you will find the rom you like, then sleep
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I always tend to flash that rom too, and then the cycle starts over again flashing over and over again. I can't go a weak without trying something different!
Jason

stoutseun said:
Hehe, very true! I've done the ROM hopping on the Kaiser and previous Vox, but is now more after the stable quick easy-to-use one ;-) Hence i actually moved back to a standard HTC ROM (but there's still that customization side that needs tickling...)
Thanks for the replies so far.. I'll the ones mentioned.
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I got my tilt about 3 months ago, and have been flashing constantly! Yet to find the right one for me! All of them are good, but not perfect for me. And I dont want to cook, cuz I am too lazy! So I will keep flashing, but finding a perfect ROM is never going to happen!!

asfoor said:
There are two types of people here, those that like flashing new ROMs every chance they get, and if I were a psychiatrist, I would diagnose those with ADD ( Attention Deficit Disorder candidates), and those that want a stable ROM that they would show it off to their friends, and keep it for a long time; a ROM that is reliable and fast and has many programs. The first type of people are adventurous however when they flash a new ROM, and if it glitches a bit, they get frustrated and wished they would have stayed with their previous ROM. BUT they go on and try other ROMs for hopes they come across one that is even better than their previous one they liked.
So which person are you? do you intend to flash often for the sake of flashing or you just want one that has most user programs and looks somewhat good? OK ... let us know and we'll guide you then toward the "Ultimate" ROM that would satisfies your curiosity and fits your personality.
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I wouldn't completely classify myself in the first category, as I know quite what I want and I know it isn't there yet. I love M3D roms and I do enjoy packing it full of features and everything. I have run L26's M3D rom for a while, and I just tried -G-'s for a day yesterday. But then many times those roms have enough issues pop up that make the phone basically unusable, and then I will back track to either a M2D rom, or even a HTC Home rom just for speed, stability, and in the case of the HTC Home roms, flawless landscape support. Then after a week or two, I start looking at the M3D roms again, hoping that there have been some fixes and work arounds and I start trying it again, and the cycle goes again!
And for what you mentioned about wishing to put the previous rom on there...Norton Ghost would be a great product for these phones!
Jason