Good day:
I recently purchased a Cingular 8125 on eBay... It should be coming in the mail today hopefully. I have been reading up on these upgrade ROMs, and I understand I have a few different options.
I am looking to possibly upgrade this phone to WM6.
I understand there are plenty of general FAQ's on these ROMs, but I am looking for some personal experiences on this particular phone. What ROMs have people used, what would you recommend for this phone? Any do's and don'ts? Any comments would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Welcome to the group...
Other than physical appearance, all Wizards are the same.
Whether it be a 9100, MDA, 8125... Once flashed with the same ROM, usability will be the same.
In the meanwhile, take some time to read at least the stickies in the Wizard subforum and once you get your phone, determine whether it's a G3 or G4.
Cool thanks for the info man. Yeah I have been reading through the stickies, I saw the guide there that you are talking about. There is some pretty good stuff up there. Just was lookin for some personal experiences and such.
Thanks!
Edit: Just noticed you got the 8125. How does your's work with all that stuff on there? Any bugs or anything? Any general downsides from using that or just using the factory WM5?
I'm actually experimenting with a different rom now... I normally change my sig only when I'm sufficiently satisfied with the current configuration.
BatteryStatus and Oxios Memory are highly recommended and doesn't interfere with the functionality of any ROM. Voice Command is just preference although some people argue that Speed Dialer is better.
all i can say is dont think that your an expert after you've flash a few roms. believe me when i say you'll get careless and **** somethin up. i stupidly tried to flash ipl/spl rom on my G4 8125 and bricked it. i got it replaced by AT&T but damn if that feeling didnt suck. just be careful, pay attention and have fun. b4 you know it you'll be addicted. just like everyone else
im a cingular 8125 user as well, however im using the T-mobile service on it. What i can say about roms is that, you have to thank some of the people on here that make the kitchens and the roms. They spend time figuring out and fixing bugs that we all have. The best bet is to keep trying a rom, until "it fits your needs" and is stable. The things i look for is
#1 Stability - (no errors, bugs)
#2 performance - (speed, boot-time.. etc)
#3 battery consumption
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Yes...a BIG thanks to all and aspecially guys like mUnrus who spend all their time coding and compiling the latest goodies for us geeks!
I own a Trinity myself (WM6-GPS by LVSW), bur yesterday my collegue's Wizard needed an upgrade. So i said to the poor guy: "Whoa! Let's hack the darn thing and get you WindowsMobile 6"...
After some well spent hours on the forum and the Wiki for the Wizard i was able to determine wether it was a G3 or G4 device he had, found out how to CID unlock this baby and ultimately we picked our choice from the plethora of nice WM6 ROM's that's out here... After 3 complete ROM flashes and the SIM and CID unlocking procdure, we've got a beautifull Wizard running WM6 by mUn (the NotTooSmart fixed version) fast and smoothly...
The Sticky posts and the Wiki were all so helpfull and crystalclear, that i didn't have to go and ask nOOb-questions anywhere... I'm not really a nOOb myself, cause i'm pretty used to flashing my own phones every now and then with the latest and greatest, but a Wizard was a completely new cup of tea for me (with the G3/G4 versions). So it proved to be a bit more work than just a single flash like my own phones, but with all the great tutorials i never went wrong on a single step of the whole procedure... Great stuff guys!
So my collegue run's WM6 on his Wizard (which had the oldest possible ROM on there... :i guess he is a nOOb to this stuff...) as from now, and he's very happy with it...
Ofcourse i didn't forget to tell him to upgrade AS to 4.5 before he could re-sync his device with Outlook, and within minutes after getting home he messaged me that his Wizard was back in business.
So, GUYS...! I wanna say a BIG thanks again to all who made all of this possible! Like mUn (and the other chefs) and all people who write these great tutorials... !
THNX !
Just like the idea of this thank you post.
so i like to thank everyone for joining in on this project and adding
there 2 cents
which in the end makes us richer and more fortunate
never i my 20 years of computerlife i would have thought that one would
make a device so much faster then my C64 and so much processingpower
in it that we probably wont use it 99% of the time.. lol
anyways i live for the moment this stuff being integrated in my wrist watch
Greetings all:
Firstly: Thanks to all for such a great place to come and find soooo much info. I am addicted to it all.
Second: I am totally NEW to all this and I am still trying to understand alot of the terminology, items, methods, and so on.
Third: I have a ton of questions as I am a sponge and soak up info rapidly, and I want to know all I can because I am quickly developing an incredible hunger for the PDA/Smartphone arena.
Lastly, and the reason for the body armor, I have a noob question: When I read about and see the term "radio" or "radio ROM", what does that mean exactly, ya know in easy to grasp speak. I can see you ready to fire bullets at the new guy for such a question, but I really have no idea, let alone why the need to possibly update the ROM for it.
My thanks in advance for the direction.
Cheers all, and keep up such a great forum community.
Chris
Radio is what effects your signal strength, receiving sms messages, mms messages, phone calls, etc.
Jeepers, I do feel like a dope. Thanks Madcap. Please if you would, does upgrading the ROM serve to improve upon said functions? And is there a baseline that most use to gauge improvments to the radio.
I read alot about the 1.41.00.10 ROM in another thread. Some users reported a decline in performance. Was that something the measured with website, or tool.
Or rather was it something they measured as a matter of comparison to earlier ROM performance.?
I am wondering myself thru this all just exactly how would I gauge when to make upgrades etc, and how to tell if said upgrade was a performance boost?
Obviously from what I read, most users try something and go back if no improvements came out of it. But again, is there a software prog. or website to take before and after readings?
Being new is rather uncomfortable here.........
Thanks again for the speedy reply to my original question.
Depends on what your device is... I dunno what you have... wizard, hermes, artemis.. ??
Ok first off.........GO SOX...........MASSACHUSETTS !!!!!!!!!!!!......................
Ok, I just got a few new phones. I am on Tmo with a Wing. I purchased an unlocked 8525. I also ordered Cingular service with the Samsung Blackjack just to test them out and see if I might switch over. I have 30 days to decide and compare it to Tmo in terms of service and data/internet access.
Messing around here today, reading and such I thought to play a bit with ROM stuff., I followed the guide listed in the WiKi and got my........and bear with me cause these terms are Greek to me.......... SPL to 2.10.01.....and my radio ROM to 1.41.00.10.
I plan to test the Cingular SIM in the Blackjack for service. But also plan to put the Cing SIM in the unlock 8525 and test the service there as well. How will I know if the 1.41 is better than the 1.16 (?) it had on it before I updated? etc. Is there some way of getting numbers or readings? Follow me so far.
Ya know.....play FEAR with an NVIDIA 7900 and check FPS for say 40. Put in an NVIDIA 8800GTX and play and find out you get 98 FPS. Clearly a diffrence you see in "hard numbers". Boy.......rambling now....but you get the drill.
the Sox are losing right now 3-0 against oakland in the 4th .. .. when you have a 12 game lead in the AL east u can afford to lose a few though .. ...
The 8525 is a Hermes.. read the Wiki on how to upgrade a hermes, also check the Wiki to find out what the Wing and black jack are...I'm not sure.
Understood, but how can I tell if my phone is performing better with this 1.41 new radio ROM, over an earlier version or rather over the version that is going to come installed with the Blackjack?
I, not unlike others, want to get the best poss. performance out of the 8525, and I am keeping my fingers crossed that Cing. beats Tmo in terms of cell clarity, better coverage and faster data for internet etc. I am also poss making the move because Cing has 3G (?) and Tmo doesent yet. And, when Tmo does bring it about I have read that it will operate on diff freq. making the unlocked phones of today unusable so to speak. Thats it in a nutshell........and my desire to get the most performance from my equipment.
And lead or not, I dont feel they can give up one here or there. I have that summer slump fear ya know.
yeah well, right now the Sox couldn't hit a beachball.
Only way you can find out which has better performance is to test them over a period of time... compare them in places where ur signal is usually pretty choppy
Damn.........I thought it would come down to that.........I wanted an easier, smoother way out. Oh well........I will test away.
Any thoughts on Cin over Tmo or vise/versa.
Ha.......beachball..........good lord.........
I can tell you that where I live, Cingular is much better. But it can really vary on your location. I'm on the opposite side of the country from you though. With radio quality, there really is no standard, or way to gauge it with hard numbers. you'll just have to use trial and error. Good luck! It can be fun (and trying sometimes) to learn more abort your device.
I'm in the Boston area and T-Mobile has been great just as good if not better than Cingular.
This is just the type of input I was hoping to see posted. Really guys, I appreciate it.
Hello Guys,
I am, what you call a "Noob".
I am about to get the 8125 from Cingular and would like to upgrade to wm6 ... there is no easy thread describing this issue. I do not know what most of the terms mean that you guys use
Soooo:
Is it supportet by Cingular? Is it legal? Is it Better !?
How do I upgrade ?
swell if u read around im sure its not hard.... the only part that requires thinking is determining if you have a G3 or a G4 8125...
heres a great thread that descibes your situation.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298613
I have read that post and many others and I understand the part about g3 and g4 (versions..) but I am more concerned about background info about wm6 on my 8125 from cingular ...
Reading will give you all the background information you need.
After determining whether you have a G3 or G4 device, you will know whether you can unlock your phone - G3s can be unlocked, G4s cannot (unless you pay). Either way, you can still put WM6 on your device.
Steps for determining which device you have, and then how to CID unlock (if you have a G3) and flash new ROMS can all be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310831. CID unlocking you device WILL void your warranty, and Cingular, or any other carrier, does not support adding ROMS that were not released by them. Is it legal?....well...that is an issue all on its own. There is a thread somewhere here with different thoughts on the issue. I can, however, say from my perspective, WM6 is waaaay better than the WM5 stock carrier ROM. Less crashes, more memory, better programs, more features, more stable, and overall, just a better ROM.
The one thing about WM6 that you do have to remember is that there has not been and is not going to be an official release from any carrier for the wizard. All ROMS here have been "cooked" by various chefs. Some were ported from other devices that have gotten official releases, but a member named InGeNeTiCs managed to get a build specifically made for the wizard, which has been the base for many ROMS. Any ROM with OS 5.2.318 Build 15342.4.0.01 has this base OS. What this means, is that all drivers and everything else was made for the wizard, not for other devices then ported onto the wizard.
When you are ready to flash your ROM, read around and decide what one is for you. The NBD series is really good if you want the touch interface. Personally, I have tried XM6 and TNT and both are very stable classic crossbow ROMS.
As stated in the post above, you must read...read...then read... All the information that has been compiled on this forum cannot be put into one post, so read around.
Good luck!
yoz
Not much else you can say bro besides test them all and see what you like. it takes about 10 mins max to flash each. If you have a dual/quad core system, then put the ROMUpdateUtility_Wizard_NoID.exe on realitime priority and it takes about 3 mins Total. You will start flashing regularly i'm sure. Gettr' DONE!
So I just got my tilt today. This is my first smartphone and I just had a couple questions before I start flashing roms and such.
If I flash the HTC factory ROM, is this a completely different operating system than wm6?
Do wm programs work on the HTC ROM?
I know I sound stupid but I have to start somewhere.
jrollins2000 said:
So I just got my tilt today. This is my first smartphone and I just had a couple questions before I start flashing roms and such.
If I flash the HTC factory ROM, is this a completely different operating system than wm6?
Do wm programs work on the HTC ROM?
I know I sound stupid but I have to start somewhere.
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ey, man, wellcome...
The right place to start is "reading"... there are a lot of ussefull info in the Wiki ... take time to read and to understand what you are reading... when you'll be familiarized with terms and concepts, then you'll have many questions to do, and someone take time to help you, but for now you need read
Cheers.
Start Here
A good place to start is the Kaiser Wiki. Located right here on XDA.
As far as flashing different roms go, every rom currently available for the Kaiser (Tilt) are Windows Mobile 6 roms.
The only issues I have run into with installing programs is when the install CAB file is locked down to a particular device. This was common with the original installer of TomTom GPS floating around the site.
Since you are new to the game, as I was just 18 months ago, the biggest piece of advice I can give is this: Search the forum before asking questions. This is not to avoid flaming, although that may happen from time to time, but due to the high volume of posting on the site, it may take longer to get a response if you create a new topic as opposed to adding your question to an existing one.
jcespi2005 said:
ey, man, wellcome...
The right place to start is "reading"... there are a lot of ussefull info in the Wiki ... take time to read and to understand what you are reading... when you'll be familiarized with terms and concepts, then you'll have many questions to do, and someone take time to help you, but for now you need read
Cheers.
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Awww, you beat me to it...
Thanks
Thanks for the response, I have been reading a lot lately but sometimes it is really hard to move on because people used advanced terms which are hard to find the meaning to without reading for hours through forums.
Just flashed on the HTC ROM, works perfectly.
I have really been looking to get the TouchFLO working on my Tilt, is this a setting or a button? Or do I need to install something?
jrollins2000 said:
Thanks for the response, I have been reading a lot lately but sometimes it is really hard to move on because people used advanced terms which are hard to find the meaning to without reading for hours through forums.
Just flashed on the HTC ROM, works perfectly.
I have really been looking to get the TouchFLO working on my Tilt, is this a setting or a button? Or do I need to install something?
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Go to the wiki (its at the top of every page, its called "XDA-Wiki" and go to the kaiser section and read up. Also, go to my Tilt thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341024
I would also like to take this time to say "I told you so" to all the people who didn't think the majority of people with newbie questions would be Tilt users, and chastised me for making a "Tilt-only" thread.
defense
well in defense of myself.... a tilt was only $300 with new service where if I bought the "TyTn II" which is the same thing without a camera on the front, which I dont need, I would have to pay upwards of $800.
also thanks a lot for the threads very helpful
Now with the HTC rom there of course is no telenav, now do I have to pay for the GPS service through AT&T and Pay $9.99 for the telenav, or could I just purchase tom tom6 and be done with it and not pay at&t $9.99 a month for the gps service? thanks in advance for the response
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Now with the HTC rom there of course is no telenav, now do I have to pay for the GPS service through AT&T and Pay $9.99 for the telenav, or could I just purchase tom tom6 and be done with it and not pay at&t $9.99 a month for the gps service? thanks in advance for the response
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If you purchase TomTom, then you are done. No monthly fees associated with it.
As far as your TouchFLO question, you need to flash your Tilt to a rom that supports it. As you will learn from browsing this site, cooked roms are still very new for the Kaiser/Tilt, so there will only be a few available.
For a basic TouchFLO rom with high stability, I recommend AustinSync's BIGstorage rom. TeleNav will be missing from it, but you will be able to access all of AT&T's internal networks such as MEdia Net without issue.
just for terminology purposes, kaiser/tilt is a pocketpc, not a smartphone.
Hi,
Can anyone tell me if I can use the 6.1 ROMs on my Kaiser or am I limited to 6.0 ROMs?
I tried to download the Windows Mobile 6.1 upgrade from HTC but when I enter my Serial No. it says its unsuitable for my phone.
I bought it on ebay and its full of rubbish and seems heavily tampered and has lots of querky things going on - so I thought I would just flash it with one of your ROMs. I don't want to 'brick' it if 6.1 is incompatible. I have spent days reading the (astoundingly detailed) FAQ's but, maybe 'cos I'm dumb and don't understand the difference between ROM and OS, I'm worried I will trash the phone if HTC say its incompatible.
I'm rambling now because what I don't really know is whether A ROM includes OS or sits on top of OS.
Regards,
JN
You can, of course, use 6.1 roms on your kaiser. I suggest you just go to the kaiser section, read a bit, and find yourself a nice ROM.. the kaiser section is flooded with ROMs.. and good ones
Thanks for replying. I found several posts today from people who have trouble with screen touch alignment and wondered if there was a hardware incompatibility with some Kaiser's and WM 6.1. Also, I found the answer to my question about ROMs and OS in Q1 of the Kaiser ROM Flashing FAQ which I had already read but obviously not taken in.
I shall give one a try then.
Many thanks,
I'd suggest giving a few.. until you get it right
LOL
Ok then. What are the chances of totalling the phone? Mind You, I've got to the point where if I junk it I won't care too much. So I shall just have some fun.
Thanks for the reassurance and advice.
You should be able to hard reset if everything fails...which should save you in the worst case situation... I beleive though from reading up on it if you unlock your phone with HARDSPL it is supposed to stop you from being able to brick your phone
First of all, try try a few roms without spling more than once, find the hardspl guide for kaiser in the kaiser forum and hardspl it so you can flash as many roms as you like.
afterwards, just start flashing roms. bricking a device isn't that common if you do things properly. make sure all roms you flash are meant for kaiser..
Thanks again for the help and advice, which I have followed - I've applied HARDSPL as recommended. I've only had a chance to apply one ROM so far (AtheneOS WWE) which looks fantastic IMHO but I have what seems like a radio problem as I have no sound. So I shall have a go now at different radios I suppose? That's what most of the replies to posts seem to suggest for lack of sound after flashing. Its easier than I thought this lark - I can see this may be habit forming though
Great stuff you guys .
JN
Another Happy (rom) Flasher!
lol. go ahead and enjoy flashing.