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BOUNTY! HTC Touch Keyboard/Keypad .cab w/Norwegian

Hi
There's a couple different HTC Touch keyboard/keypad .cabs floating about, but so far none with full support for my own language (Norwegian). I am a total newb when it comes to making cabs, but since there's already cabs out there with other linguas I can hardly believe it will be very difficult to make a cab with a few spesific languages.
So, here's deal. I will paypal this awesome bounty of 15$ aka "beer money" (not much but I'm unemployed, broke, my fiancé of 8 years and I just decided we'll go separate ways AND I'm horribly bored ) to the person who can make a .cab that installs the HTC Touch keyboard/keypad + English and Norwegian xt9 (additional languages might be an idea, but moderation please if you're really feeling like making a killer cab, size matters too) and so forth and makes it work on a Kaiser.
I will of course expect this .cab to be offered to the public through these forums.
You can find the dumped? files here that's needed (or so I believe).
www.mindovermadness.org/HTC_KeyBoard_DualOEM_multi.rar
Also, the .cab on Duttys FTP with the HTC Touch Keyboard that should be possible to break down for paths etc.
http://www.cinetsystems.com/xda/Kaiser Cab Collections/HTC Touch Keyboard + Keypad.cab
I hope someone will be so kind as to look into this and become my personal XDA hero. Also I am sorry if I somehow have misunderstood the concept of a bounty, offended anyone or offered a ridicilously low sum of money. I come from a land of ice and snow, my brain is numb and thats my excuse!
/Mac

I have tried to do fix that, I got a oem package with the norwegian files, even the scandinavian layout is in it.
But I have had no success, im no coder
But I upped the package, and if any guru will look into it, that would help alot

It must be pretty basic stuff, I figured I can make it work myself simply by some creative renaming and overwriting files on a previous install from one of the existing cabs, but its hardly viable when you flash your phone every week

Think I did it
I have managed to make an installable cab with english, danish, norwegian and swedish HTC Keyboard + Keypad layout, and with working xt9/t9 dictionaries. I have installed it on my own HTC Touch (P3450) and tested all four languages with success. When nordic languages are chosen, the keyboard (not keypad) have the nordic letters on them, so the bitmap files should be right as well.
OJ

Thank you If you want the bounty, pm me your paypal!

nice work, thx
one thing or two though
keypad dont display æøå but keyboard is workin perfectly
i dunno how to explain this correctly, but in textwriting æøå works (in keyboard) but when opening them ouside like in.ex programs folder, it show only english qwerty, any suggestions?
Many has been waiting for this, great work

I've discovered a number of bugs/glitches in this .cab, see the thread at
http://forum.smartmobil.no/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=9314&sid=20a938d71af92d67e43f1ac3be4242cb
Yet, should be "fixeable" I think.

if u install this over another version, it works better

tytn 2 with scandin keyboard
I havent found a solution to my problem.
Keyboard has ä (FN + L) and ö (FN + o).
I updated Rom to Schap's WM6 Pro 4.31 ROMs WWE and then ä and ö keys stopped working! help

itje said:
if u install this over another version, it works better
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Kan du forklare hva du mener?
Can you explain what you ment by this?
Thanks!

I had posted these cabs for someone else who had wanted them in a previous post.**both cabs must be installed to the device** hope this is what your looking for.

KDKobes said:
I had posted these cabs for someone else who had wanted them in a previous post.**both cabs must be installed to the device** hope this is what your looking for.
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Thanks!
I've been looking for sometihng like this ever since I tried Duttys great new rom. I'll give them a try next week, when I get my hands on my frends TyTN II, and report back.
Thanks a lot!!

Swedish keyboard
This is what i use for my Tytn .
and also the tilt keybord fix.

KDKobes said:
I had posted these cabs for someone else who had wanted them in a previous post.**both cabs must be installed to the device** hope this is what your looking for.
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When i download that will my 16 work ok, but i have usede some cab's before but when my hardware keyboard on my dual write letters wrong when i press 2 i got e not a

KDKobes said:
I had posted these cabs for someone else who had wanted them in a previous post.**both cabs must be installed to the device** hope this is what your looking for.
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Thanks a lot! I'm close to 100% on the keyboard issue.
Ok, this is what I've done:
Installed (in this order)
Scandanavian Keyboard.CAB
-Soft reset
Nordic Keypad Mapping.cab
-Soft reset
XDA_JCEspi2005_Norwegian_Input_Kaiser.cab
-Soft reset
Now the SIP keyboard layout are OK with æøå - working fine. I Had to install XDA_JCEspi2005_Norwegian_Input_Kaiser.cab to get my hardware keyboard right.
This issue remains: Word Completion is still in english. Any fix for that?
Also in Duttys newest ROM, the Touch Keyboard and Touch Keypad are without the Norwegian letters. Any cabs for this?
The Dr.

If you can go with the diamond keyboard try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=392197
jobber endnå med at få keypad at fungera

Try this: Change Curlang to 414 (414 Hex, 1044 Dec). Search up Curlang in youre register (should be in: HKLM/Hardware/Devicemap/Keybd), Soft Reset. DONE! Youre Keyboard is now supporting ÆØÅ and all the oter keys and so on, just as you were use to on Norwegian Shipped/Stok Roms.

Thanks to you both!
I'll try this as soon as I get my hands on my "test Kaiser" again!
I'll report back.

raiisak said:
Try this: Change Curlang to 414 (414 Hex, 1044 Dec). Search up Curlang in youre register (should be in: HKLM/Hardware/Devicemap/Keybd), Soft Reset. DONE! Youre Keyboard is now supporting ÆØÅ and all the oter keys and so on, just as you were use to on Norwegian Shipped/Stok Roms.
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I have just flashed Duttys May 22 ROM, and no ÆØÅ on the software keyboard. Any fix for this? (Will also post this in Duttys new thread)
Your reg hack worked, the HW keyboard is now norwegian
Thanks!

French keyboard
I search the version with the french keyboard.
Does somebody know a downloadlink?
That would be nice
Thank you for your helping hand in advance

Solution! German Keyboard / "Umlaute" (Fn+Space) working with english 6.1 !!!

Solution! German Keyboard / "Umlaute" (Fn+Space) working with english 6.1 !!!
Ok guys and girls,
the title may sound like i know what I'm doing, but I'm a noob to all of this after all. Still I managed to get the "Umlaut"-function (Fn + Space) working on an english 6.1 ROM. The ROM running my German TYTN II is L26_KaiserDiamond_V9.
Ok, so here's what I did:
1. set Keyboard layout to "German" in AdvancedConfig
2. changed value of registry key HKLM\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\KEYBD\CurLang from 409 to 407
3. installed XDA_JCEspi2005_German_Input_Kaiser.cab (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345426)
4. copied the file "sym.0409.txt" (located in DEVICE \Windows), renamed the copy to "sym.0407.txt"
et voilá!
I guess step 4 is what did the trick... even though I still can't believe that the solution was this simple. Someone else give it a try... maybe on a different ROM. Would be cool if this was the definitive solution.
greetings,
cartonneexpress

Yes but it is also important to disable XT9 with KaiserTweak or AdvancedConfig. Otherwise the Fn + Space dose not work for me.

thank your very much,
works perfect for me, too
bye andré

Hi,
does not work with my ROM (3.28.405.0 WWE) with WM6.1 Prof.
I have still the QWERTY keyboard.
Regards
kuzco

kuzco1 said:
Hi,
does not work with my ROM (3.28.405.0 WWE) with WM6.1 Prof.
I have still the QWERTY keyboard.
Regards
kuzco
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softreset??

lanwin said:
Yes but it is also important to disable XT9 with KaiserTweak or AdvancedConfig. Otherwise the Fn + Space dose not work for me.
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Notice: For me this only works with the Hardware keyboard (L26_KaiserDiamond_V9). If someone knows a method to change the software keyboard (Windows Default) it would be very nice.

lanwin said:
Notice: For me this only works with the Hardware keyboard (L26_KaiserDiamond_V9). If someone knows a method to change the software keyboard (Windows Default) it would be very nice.
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after 2 softresets it works also for me, but also only the hardware keyboard. for the software keyboard i take pcmkeyboard.

You can also try those 2 in combination, works and is a little bit easier ;-)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1673274&postcount=2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1689272&postcount=20

as I stated, this reactivates the "Fn+Space"-Umlaute on your keyboard.
no idea why one would think that this has any affect on the softkeyboard... but here's the suprising solution for you: install a german softkeyboard! i'm sure you'll find one on xda-devs.

cartonneexpress said:
no idea why one would think that this has any affect on the softkeyboard... but here's the suprising solution for you: install a german softkeyboard! i'm sure you'll find one on xda-devs.
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Oh i searched a little while for it but i did not found any useful.

For the hardware keyboard have you tried to change the value of registry key HKLM/HARDWARE/DEVICEMAP/KEYBD/CurLang from 409 to 407
And then HKCU/MUI/CurLang 409 changed to 407 (Hexadecimal).
Then softreset and after that install XDA_JCEspi2005_German_Input_Kaiser.cab
And then softreset again.
In some roms i could not find one of the registry keys but then it was enough to change the other.

Billun said:
For the hardware keyboard have you tried to change the value of registry key HKLM/HARDWARE/DEVICEMAP/KEYBD/CurLang from 409 to 407
And then HKCU/MUI/CurLang 409 changed to 407 (Hexadecimal).
Then softreset and after that install XDA_JCEspi2005_German_Input_Kaiser.cab
And then softreset again.
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It works for me in ROMeOS v4
thx a lot

Billun said:
For the hardware keyboard have you tried to change the value of registry key HKLM/HARDWARE/DEVICEMAP/KEYBD/CurLang from 409 to 407
And then HKCU/MUI/CurLang 409 changed to 407 (Hexadecimal).
Then softreset and after that install XDA_JCEspi2005_German_Input_Kaiser.cab
And then softreset again.
In some roms i could not find one of the registry keys but then it was enough to change the other.
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Thx, this works, the original doesn't.
Stefan

lanwin said:
Oh i searched a little while for it but i did not found any useful.
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then give this one a try. As many different KB layouts as you could wish for, including national characters (although only 2 at a time, switch-able by a key next to R-ALt). @ the mo, I'm using Polish and Norwegian.
NO, I'm not affiliate, just a happy user.
Ah yes, it's NOT free, but at 9.99 PLN (or 2.99 €) anyone can afford it.
And YES, it IS skinnable.
DL a trial version, give it a shot, see for yourself.

With me I can now type fn + space but the Y is a Z and vice versa
What else can I do than reading and searching ?

cartonneexpress said:
Ok guys and girls,
the title may sound like i know what I'm doing, but I'm a noob to all of this after all. Still I managed to get the "Umlaut"-function (Fn + Space) working on an english 6.1 ROM. The ROM running my German TYTN II is L26_KaiserDiamond_V9.
Ok, so here's what I did:
1. set Keyboard layout to "German" in AdvancedConfig
2. changed value of registry key HKLM\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\KEYBD\CurLang from 409 to 407
3. installed XDA_JCEspi2005_German_Input_Kaiser.cab (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345426)
4. copied the file "sym.0409.txt" (located in DEVICE \Windows), renamed the copy to "sym.0407.txt"
et voilá!
I guess step 4 is what did the trick... even though I still can't believe that the solution was this simple. Someone else give it a try... maybe on a different ROM. Would be cool if this was the definitive solution.
greetings,
cartonneexpress
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Easyest way to do this:
With a Registry Editor, search and edit the key to the following value:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\KEYBD]
"CurLang"=dword:00020407
Or download patch below...

neo2k2 said:
Easyest way to do this:
With a Registry Editor, search and edit the key to the following value:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\KEYBD]
"CurLang"=dword:00020407
Or download patch below...
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The patch doesn't work for me, changed nothing :hmm:
What did the trick was
Regedit [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\KEYBD]
"CurLang"=dword:00020409 to 00020407 for German, other language see here
Install Jespis German/language cab http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1673274&postcount=2
Result is qwertz and after vocale Fn+Space = "Umlaut" + German dictionary
Thanks and greets,
h.b.

Keyboard layout
It worked on my Kaiser! All symbols were messed up, but now it's ok. Thnx a lot, cartonneexpress!

keyboard problem

hello people
if got a little problem white my keyboard on my cruise
i did an update to wm 6.1 nld on the official htc site
everything works good but i think is much to slow
so i downloaded 3LIT3_VIII_Full_NLD and installed it
but now my keyboard doesnt work 100%
i can use the qwerty keyboard without problems
but when i want to use the xt9 keypad then i can only type numbers
character or alphabet doesnt work
can somebody give me an answer please
thank you greetz pet

Try this!
http://www.4shared.com/file/112390528/29099d60/BJK_HTC_EzInput_QVGA_NoKbd_0409-RC2.html
from this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426281&highlight=BJK_HTC_Ez%2A
When you have numbers, than change to a other keyboard and write one or two words. after this, you change the keyboard again and it works.
If have the same problem with gullum Ez 1.5 keyboard. Now i have BJK Keyboard and german language pack and it works fine

XDANoob said:
Try this!
http://www.4shared.com/file/112390528/29099d60/BJK_HTC_EzInput_QVGA_NoKbd_0409-RC2.html
from this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426281&highlight=BJK_HTC_Ez%2A
When you have numbers, than change to a other keyboard and write one or two words. after this, you change the keyboard again and it works.
If have the same problem with gullum Ez 1.5 keyboard. Now i have BJK Keyboard and german language pack and it works fine
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Thank you problem solved

[How to]International xt9

Since lot of users can have some problems, i created how to change xt9 language. some can find this quite usefull
you don`t need to install any other files, it is just a little bit of reg editing
1. you must check value here
\HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\DefaultLanguage
for wwe rom it should be hex 0109 (dec 259) (it depends on your rom)
2.find here your default hex number (should be 0109 for wwe)
\HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\LdbFiles\
in this directory are keys with string value like XXIsUN_xt9.ldb
for wwe at 0109 it is supposed to be ENIsUN_xt9.ldb (it depends on your rom)
change first two letters by language you want (warning, this codes can be assigned bad, i am guessing it from alpha2, pm me, if you have different opinion):
AR - Argentina
CS - Czech Republic
DA - Denmark
DE - Germany
EL - Greece
ES - Spain
FI - Finland
FR - France
HU - Hungaria
IT - Italy
NL - Netherlands
NO - Norway
PL - Poland
PT - Portugal
RO - Rumunia
RU - russia
SK - Slovakia
SV - Sweden
TR - Turkey
soft reset device, and it should work. feedback appreciated.

Thanks, didn't know. I can add no reset is needed, and the number in defaultlanguage is decimal value of the preffered language (definition is in hex).
Now the libraries without diacritical marks would be useful

Hi, I'm trying to do this for Turkish. I used:
HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\Ldbfiles\11F = TRlsUN_xt9.ldb
I can see Turkish in the language list but the selection does not change when I click on it. It works for other languages though. Any ideas why?

hi, pls how can i do this?
20mihalko said:
Hi, I`m trying to find some cab for slovak xt9, but i`m not lucky... has anybody some solution how to get slovak word database for htc xt9? thanks
EDIT: solved sorry for spamming
HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\AvailableLanguages = 0109,010C,0107,0110,010A,011B,0105
HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\Ldbfiles\105 = CSlsUN_xt9.ldb
HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\Ldbfiles\11B = SKlsUN_xt9.ldb
HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\DefaultLanguage = 261
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i tried it with registry editor but i miss the last 2 values.
It is neccessary to write it there or i have bad vs? i have rom 43 not 48, because i dont know, where can i download it.
thx bro SR me too O2, me too.

Is it only a matter of reg edit? No aditional files needed? I'm looking for portuguese T9. Some cabs for other devices dont seem to work on Leo.
Anyone solved this one?

check first post, a have added how to change your language

20mihalko said:
check first post, a have added how to change your language
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I followed your steps. In addition to that I added 0816 to the ...et9\availablelanguage, so as to have an additional entry on language selection, then soft reset the device.
Portuguese doesn't appear on the list, just "unknown". Keyboard layout on compact QWERTY changes to Portuguese layout but predictive test remains English.
Windows folder does have the PTIsUN_xt9.ldb. Any thoughts?

point is, that value, where is linked your language file at dir LdbFiles must be set in DefaultLanguage, and must be into availablelanguage... check your defaultlanguage value... be sure you are writing it in HEX

I did! They all match. I was using a Portuguese XT9 for Niki. It seemed to work fine, only some times strange stuff happens like only numbers will be written instead of the letters on a single quick press. I've seen on other topics some additional reg changes. I'm now wondering if it is possible to change to any language from any rom since some files could be missing in WWE, not allowing me to apply you steps to get Portuguese.

How about other languages, that are not on this list ???

It works for Romanian. But the dictionary its not that rich so its kind of useless.

GSC2K8 said:
Hi, I'm trying to do this for Turkish. I used:
HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\Ldbfiles\11F = TRlsUN_xt9.ldb
I can see Turkish in the language list but the selection does not change when I click on it. It works for other languages though. Any ideas why?
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is there any comment on this?
i have the same problem

Hi!
I want to disable the xt9. I have installed the soft disable xt9 but stil not effected. So how can I change it to disable in the registry please
Thanks

karakemal said:
is there any comment on this?
i have the same problem
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do you have default language 11F ?

[solved]
Alright my mates
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3304868&postcount=5)
here is the solution. download your language pack and you will have perfect xt9 dic.

I've check Polish and leters are messed up l=. z=x, x=c, v=n, b=n ,n=.,m=, if I rememberd correct but word prediction works
with out xt9 keyboard works as it should.

lutanica said:
Alright my mates
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3304868&postcount=5)
here is the solution. download your language pack and you will have perfect xt9 dic.
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Hi! I've got the Portuguese cab and I can confirm that the word prediction works, BUT only for compact QUERTY and Phone Keypad. For the Full QUERTY, it really mess the keys.
Well... it's much better than nothing. I think it's half of a full solution.

20mihalko said:
do you have default language 11F ?
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no default is 119 (english) i change to 11F but still the same problem after soft reset
it changes automatically to english back.

lutanica said:
Alright my mates
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3304868&postcount=5)
here is the solution. download your language pack and you will have perfect xt9 dic.
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There is no turkish here
where can i find turkish xt9 ?

Sorry mate. But you could ask the guy that made those .cab files and put them there. Maybe he has the turkish .cab file somewhere.
karakemal said:
There is no turkish here
where can i find turkish xt9 ?
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Scandinavian keyboards with three extra buttons added

I've made keyboards for Scandinavian users ( Swedish, Norwegian & Danish keyboard ). I've added three buttons to give direct access to the letters å ä ö (or å æ ø). The XT9 button has been removed since XT9 will not work with these keyboards. If you wish to use XT9 please don't install this.
Just download and install. If you don't like it just uninstall it and everything should be as before.
Enjoy... /TubGirl
PS. Thanks to "itje" for cabbing the files.

Thanks. Can you make one with ÅÆØ to the danish people?

nice!
this is nice. not sure if i want to get rid of the XT9 though but still.... nice

mooooooa said:
Thanks. Can you make one with ÅÆØ to the danish people?
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Javisst... are the danish letters in the same position as the Swedish? I think maybe ä and ö are reversed compared to danish keyboards... I'll Google it.

molgan said:
this is nice. not sure if i want to get rid of the XT9 though but still.... nice
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One way of solving it would be to make the arrow keys narrower so that you can squeeze in the XT9 button in the bottom left corner... like the (faked) screenshot below. It would take some effort to do it though since it involves resizing several icons that's a part of the XT9 button and I honestly don't think I'll be able to do it. I just post this image as an idea if anyone else want to do it.
Brgds... /TubGirl

Great work, this will save some time and anger! But is there anyway to toggle xt9 on and off now?
Bra jobbat!

Tubgirl said:
Here's a Swedish keyboard I've made. I've added three buttons to give direct access to the letters å ä ö. The TX9 button has been removed. Always backup the files in question so that you can revert if needed.
Inside the zip file are the following files: 0C09.xml, 0D09.xml, LQ_Bg.png, LQ_Bg_Inv.png, PQ_Bg.png and PQ_Bg_Inv.png.
If you copy them to the Windows directory the keyboard will look like the screenshots below.
Enjoy... /TubGirl
PS. Thanks to "linuxis" for pointing me in the right direction on how to do this.
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fiiiiiiiint. nice, buttse xt9 with spell correction is a must for fast typing, anywhere to enable that?
thx for really great work..

Tubgirl said:
Javisst... are the danish letters in the same position as the Swedish? I think maybe ä and ö are reversed compared to danish keyboards... I'll Google it.
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Yup, you are right about the reverse ÆØ ÖÄ

Hi.
i opened the xml files, and edited ö to ø and ä to æ. I dont mind ø and æ to swap place but when I try and copy the files to windows folder, i cannot, because 0C09.xml are in use, and cannot be replaced

Of course I want to help my danish neighbors
Danish keyboard can be found on the first post now (also without XT9).
Just follow the instructions on the first post.
Brgds... /TubGirl

Tubgirl said:
Of course I want to help my danish neighbors
Here's the danish keyboard (also without XT9).
Just follow the instructions on the first post.
Brgds... /TubGirl
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Wonderful, thanks But am I the only one who cannot copy these files to windows dir.? due to "files in use, cannot replace" ?

arxx said:
Wonderful, thanks But am I the only one who cannot copy these files to windows dir.? due to "files in use, cannot replace" ?
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Sorry... I don't know why. I use Resco File Explorer without any problems.

Tubgirl said:
Sorry... I don't know why. I use Resco File Explorer without any problems.
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Weird. I tried with Resco, now the files are copied to windows folder. But the keyboard isn't changed... maybe because i have a Norwegian ROM, and the keyboard files got different names in the windows folder...

arxx said:
Weird. I tried with Resco, now the files are copied to windows folder. But the keyboard isn't changed... maybe because i have a Norwegian ROM, and the keyboard files got different names in the windows folder...
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You need to restart your phone.

nice! but i have a problem, when I for example wants a C i get an X and when i press M, i got a N...
What could be wrong?

Tubgirl said:
You need to restart your phone.
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I did that
Sorry, this post turning in to customer care now lol

Tubgirl said:
You need to restart your phone.
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There are aslo 0C08.xml, 0C07.xml files in windows dir. so it might have something to do with the language in manila/rom....

brycke said:
nice! but i have a problem, when I for example wants a C i get an X and when i press M, i got a N...
What could be wrong?
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I don't know. I've only tested it on my Swedish Stock ROM 1.66 and it works fine on my HD2. (I'm writing these messages with the modified keyboard)
Brgds... /TubGirl

okey, i also have the swedish stock rom 1,66. Wierd

Nice Aelskar det, just wondering if the spell correction is enable with this one?
And where to find and backup my old files? if it somehow aint for me