Well this is what I have been deciding for sometime now.
And here is my verdict:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=48608
I think it's worth it. Orange now have upgrade stock and I've ordered my M600 today. My M500 will probably appear on eBay in the next few days.
Someone else in our office has just got an M600 having upgraded from the M500 and he really likes it - and so do I. Since I'm due for a free upgrade I thought - what the heck...go for it. 8)
I never had S100 but I still have my old 9090. I think you should go for it. The new WM5 is faster, cleaner and more stable (no more soft reset). And not being worried about losing everything when the battery dies. As for the processor, it is right, the S200 is a bit slower, you’ll feel it while playing movies with tcpmp. But using an overclocking app. Will fix it.
if you encode your video correctly, eg in 320x240 res, video playback is no problem whatsoever without overclocking
Indeed!
The gadget it nice, small, stylish black (at least are the XDA Neos), definitely better than the Wizard, and has no problems playing movies without overclocking if encoded with PocketDVDStudio.
It is THE phone!
P.S. The Start and OK/Close buttons are life-savers 8)
I've now upgraded and it was definitely worth it. 8)
When playing movies shot with my Canon Ixus @ 320x240 the Charmer stutters and the S100 does not.
Why would I want to 'upgrade' to something that I need to 'overclock' to get to the same speed that I have already ?
I think I will wait till the next version !
Hopefully they will have sorted it by then.
I would just upgrade again when the next model is out :lol:
gregory_marsh said:
Why would I want to 'upgrade' to something that I need to 'overclock' to get to the same speed that I have already ?
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I think it is something like this... Let's say I have a Pentiun III (256MB) with Windows 98SE(WM2003SE Device) and I upgrade it to WinXP (WM2005 Device) .... I believe I WILL have to overclock to have same performance speed when let's say opening a document, or starting a game.
I don't know but i believe it is WM5 that is slowing the device down. I guess that's why even if were in 2006 there are still computers running Windows 98. So i guess you are right. If you don't need (yet)the advantages that WM5 brings then you could wait for the next generation Processors so that it will run "at par" as the S200.
I came from a h6340 (OMAP 200Mhz WM2003) to the Universal (Intel 520Mhz WM5) and no matter how you look at it, the Universal is so much faster than the HP h6340.
Oh, BTW... out from the box, the universal was "kinda" slow and I would classify it as a little non-responsive when opening a lot of programs at same time. Now though after a few ROM updates, everything is running quite quick.
First of all, no need to overclock. The processors arent from the same vendor, so dont look too much at the "Mhz".
I had a S100, and now got a 200, the 200s processor is definetely Not worse than the S100.
In my opinion, its worth it! The one thing I miss on my S200, is Project VCABT, I really hope these talented guys will fix it asap
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First of all, no need to overclock. The processors arent from the same vendor, so dont look too much at the "Mhz".
I had a S100, and now got a 200, the 200s processor is definetely Not worse than the S100.
In my opinion, its worth it! The one thing I miss on my S200, is Project VCABT, I really hope these talented guys will fix it asap
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Some items might be a matter of taste, but some are critical.
- The machine IS slower than an JAM
- It hangs, at least so often as the JAM, or more frequently should I say.
- I had to hard reset the first day of usage: A clock alarm remained somehow turned on and sounding every few minutes. No way to disconnect the thing..... even after a Soft Reset
- Battery life is shorter.... (It may be my unit, but it's way shorter than my JAM one year old one....)
- BT worries remain the same as in older models (JAM, etc)
- Lots of Apps simply don't load or don't work
- It's a more radical change than XP was, and less documented and user-conscious than it should.
- Phone caller ID is worse. Pictures are unreadable on screen. No options.
- Phone directional keys don't work as expected.
- ¡Notes on contacts are limited in size!
- flimsy pen
Really, very disappointed.... :evil:
On the plus side: WIFI, look, screen, more ergonomics for one hand use... not enough
montana said:
First of all, no need to overclock. The processors arent from the same vendor, so dont look too much at the "Mhz".
I had a S100, and now got a 200, the 200s processor is definetely Not worse than the S100.
In my opinion, its worth it! The one thing I miss on my S200, is Project VCABT, I really hope these talented guys will fix it asap
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Some items might be a matter of taste, but some are critical.
- The machine IS slower than an JAM
- It hangs, at least so often as the JAM, or more frequently should I say.
- I had to hard reset the first day of usage: A clock alarm remained somehow turned on and sounding every few minutes. No way to disconnect the thing..... even after a Soft Reset
- Battery life is shorter.... (It may be my unit, but it's way shorter than my JAM one year old one....)
- BT worries remain the same as in older models (JAM, etc)
- Lots of Apps simply don't load or don't work
- It's a more radical change than XP was, and less documented and user-conscious than it should.
- Phone caller ID is worse. Pictures are unreadable on screen. No options.
- Phone directional keys don't work as expected.
- ¡Notes on contacts are limited in size!
- flimsy pen
Really, very disappointed.... :evil:
On the plus side: WIFI, look, screen, more ergonomics for one hand use... not enough
Looking Glass said:
Some items might be a matter of taste, but some are critical.
- The machine IS slower than an JAM
- It hangs, at least so often as the JAM, or more frequently should I say.
- I had to hard reset the first day of usage: A clock alarm remained somehow turned on and sounding every few minutes. No way to disconnect the thing..... even after a Soft Reset
- Battery life is shorter.... (It may be my unit, but it's way shorter than my JAM one year old one....)
- BT worries remain the same as in older models (JAM, etc)
- Lots of Apps simply don't load or don't work
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- flimsy pen
Really, very disappointed.... :evil:
On the plus side: WIFI, look, screen, more ergonomics for one hand use... not enough
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I think you might need to return your unit and get a replacement. Something must be wrong with your unit, or might because of some programs you installed on it?
I had a XDA Neo (same as S200) with JAMin WWE ROM for more than 2 month. The XDA Neo runs very fast and smooth. I never got any problem with it. I normally run multiple programs (2-5) at the same time. For example, media player to listen to mp3s and watch ebooks, and also have the dictionary (Lexisgoo 2.0) running. I never had complaints about the speed. The OMAP CPU is defferent than Xscale, you can not compare them by MHz.
I did not reset the unit in more than one week. The unit never (or at least rarely) hangs. Extremely stable. So, I guess you must installed some program not very compatible with your unit. I have installed more than 20 programs on it, but of course, I tested more than probably 40 programs in my first month after I got this unit, and deleted all the other programs which I believed it made the unit unstable.
I am also pretty satisfied with the battery life. It can last about one week (or at least 4-5 days) for regular use, if I do not use it for long time (more than 30-60 minutes talk) chat on the phone.
The BT is very stable. I use it to connect to my car (I have blue tooth system in my Prius), and it worked beautifully. But to save the battery, I normally turn the BT off when I get off the car.
Sometimes, I guess, you really need to test all the programs you installed. A lot of programs may not work right for WM5, and I also found that some programs it actually may work for WM5 (according to online info or reviews), but it did cause problems on my unit, and made the unit not very stable. You have to spend sometime to figure out. After you done this, you can always use the same programs on it, just keep updating when new version coming out. That is what I did for all my PDA phones.
Hope it helps.
By the way, I am using the overlocking now (252 MHz), and the unit runs even more faster and stable.
Hi!
I agree that no comparison is good based on Mhz, I know about it, but things are slower. Example: after a soft reset, (Several times a day) just accesing a contact whose name begins with "Z" in a 3000+ contact list, takes .... almost 20 seconds!
Loading TomTom 5? some 30 seconds before getting back the control of the thing. Never mind of using the TT5 if you receive an incoming call while tt5 loads..... it will be gone! An I have more than 39 Mb free memory!
Screens redraws that you can "see" almost by the pixel, etc. And I have just 6 apps loaded, tt5, Check Point, Pocket Earth, and a couple of games, none of then running altogether, but for the tt5-check point combo.
I know I can not return my unit for servicing just based on those problems.
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Or could I?
ok im running haykuros latest htc rom and also overclockin with open overclocker my cpu speed was set to 384 eeverything was working fine until the battery was under 5 percent..the screen turned off and was really hot...i charged the battery and know the fone wont boot! all i get is a blue led when i press the power button! no commands work! home and back dont work or the camera button command either! plus I dont have insurance! Im screwed!
Damn...sorry to hear man. So the screen doesn't even come on? It doesn't even allow you to enter into recovery mode?
I would take the battery out, leave the cover off and leave it alone for a day or 2 in front of a fan or at least in a cool dry place so it can cool down NOT THE FRIDGE LOL. Some hardware even if it overheats, if the components aren't completely shot just needs a little resting time and it'll work fine. If by any means you can get it to boot i'd take out the memory card pop it into your computer and load the modded rc29 build onto it right away and then let it update OTA......Sorry about the loss I know the G1 is still pretty expensive 250+ most places I see...except craigslist which can be cheaper depending on which city you live in. Good Luck.
Happened to my old tmobile MDA a long time ago when I got overclock happy and I just let it sit for a day or 2 naked with the battery out and it powered up fine. Hope it works out for you......
Thanks for the help man.. i think imma jus leave it off overnight...
i dont think ill be able to put rc29 kuz i cant even get to that screen on the fone
I don't know if there is anyway of telling if the battery is damaged or not (doubt you have a digital multimeter). But even if you don't have insurance on the phone, you can complain that you are having battery problems and have tmobile send you a new battery, that you can try out. Good Luck bro.
I would go into a T-mobile store if you can and ask if they could switch out the battery for you. Most will unless they are complete asshats. If that doesn't work I would call T-mobile and do a warranty exchange. Don't tell them you have customer firmware or using an OC app. Just tell them the battery got really hot and now your phone won't work. It should be covered and they will send you out a replacement one.
T-mobile best CM!
Called T-mobile and they are sending me a brand spanking new fone for free! thank yo guys for all the help, much appreciated!
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Your phones is not bricked you blew it up god over clocking your processor is dangerous unless you know what your doing guess this goes to show everyone overclocking the g1 is very dangerous unlike with great motherboards this will not shutdown if you overheat the proccessor
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Your phones is not bricked you blew it up god over clocking your processor is dangerous unless you know what your doing guess this goes to show everyone overclocking the g1 is very dangerous unlike with great motherboards this will not shutdown if you overheat the proccessor
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He wasn't over clocking it. The "overclocking" apps do not actually overclock, they just set the clock speed to the max its made to go. The G1 is actually underclocked.
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Htc underclocked it for a reason cause it overheats and blows up come on people just because you can does not mean you should in the apps text in the market tells you about this. I was just pointing out that when you fry your phone it's not called bricking it's called blown up. It's not like htc put a fan to cool it down like a pc mac or linux box plus batery heat screen heat. Using an app that's designed to defeate safety features put in the phone is idiotic.
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Htc underclocked it for a reason cause it overheats and blows up come on people just because you can does not mean you should in the apps text in the market tells you about this. I was just pointing out that when you fry your phone it's not called bricking it's called blown up. It's not like htc put a fan to cool it down like a pc mac or linux box plus batery heat screen heat. Using an app that's designed to defeate safety features put in the phone is idiotic.
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You don't seem to understand the definition of a processor's clock speed. The clock speed represents the maximum frequency the processor can run on safely. Therefore, there is no danger in running it at its full designed speed. Granted, it will decrease the overall processor's lifetime, it is still a safe thing to do in short bursts. Like you mentioned, the G1 doesn't have any cooling on it, meaning yes, the processor in a sense could overheat from running at such a high frequency, but it shouldn't be enough to permanently damage the phone. And finally, this is XDA Developers, we are all about defeating these safety mechanisms and things along that line
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And finally, this is XDA Developers, we are all about defeating these safety mechanisms and things along that line
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so say we all.
rigamrts said:
come on people just because you can does not mean you should
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says you, i personally like to test anything to it's max potential as long as it is under warranty. i figure if i goof it up i can claim i have no idea what is wrong with it(i'm a pretty good liar) right now i have a PC notebook quad-booting ubuntu 8.10, ubuntu 9.04, windows XP pro, and windows vista. if we never pushed anything hard enough to crash things would never get better. i wish i had a bigger hard drive in my comp(only have a 360 GB with 4 partitions) so what am i gonna buy ASAP 1 exabyte just because i CAN. i know i will never fill it up but hell i can store all my DNA info on it and still have room for any movie/mp3 i could possibly think of
Hi everyone,
My tablet has been disgustingly slow ever since I bought it last summer. I've probably installed 15 different roms and multiple kernels as well. I've mostly stuck with CleanROM, but it is just SOOOOOO slow. Even when I overclock to 1.7 Ghz, it often takes more than a second just to open the settings menu. After I use the tablet for a few hours since a reboot, any task takes a minimum of 2-3 seconds. Meaning if I click home it takes 2-3 seconds to go to home, if I open an app 2-3 seconds to open, etc. Compared to any other android device I've used, the tablet is about 10x slower.
It happens whether it is on a 100% fresh install, or days after a rom flash.
Is it possible that my tablet's CPU or RAM or something is actually damaged... or is this tablet just really slow?
Thanks
I think it would be safe to say something is not right w/ your hardware. Especially since you say it's happening with multiple ROMs. Personally, I've tried several ROMs and even at 1.3ghz, the tablet doesn't lag like what you're describing.
Your proccesor can be damaged. Soon your tablet will have totally bricked.
Hope I'm posting this in the right place...
Had the Sensation for a little over a year now, and it's been a real eye-opening experience into the world of Android development. It's hard to imagine going back to stock, unrooted Android. Saying that, I'm one of those unlucky owners who got a Sensation which can't achieve higher overclocks without sacrificing major stability - anything above 1566MHz wouldn't run, and anything over Stock tends to overheat. On top of that, I also get random reboots and even more overheating when I don't have a piece of card or something to jam the battery into the connectors. I've also been venturing into the real world a bit more this year and found that even on full brightness it's not easy to see. Also, managing apps between SD card and internal memory can get tedious between flashing new ROMs due to the pitiful amount of storage...
Now that I've finished bashing my phone and the reasons I want to ditch it, what reasons do I have to stay? How many people are in my situation? Is it worth upgrading to a newer model? Am I asking too many questions one after another?
Basically, I'm thinking it's time for a change. I already know why it's a good idea, what reasons do you have for staying with your Sensation right now?
I never had any problems with overheating or overclocking on my Sensation XE, so maybe it's got something to do with your particular handset. I'm still loving my SXE, because of all the developer support and the continuously upgrades for the phone. Cache partition isn't really used since GB, so I just use it as swap partition for RAM. I don't like the three-button lay-out on newer HTC's (or two-button lay-out on HTC One).
If I were to get a new phone, I'd wait 'till the HTC One is upgraded (HTC usually releases an updated version of their flagship device after a few months) with a newer/faster cpu/gpu and better battery
If youve seen the guide below this, you may have put it on & realised it was OK giving you a possible question, "Why were the voltages higher in the first place?" or "Why do companies go higher than what the CPU needs?"
Well whilst experimenting with the voltages, ive found 2 reasons, obviously theres probably more than this but heres the 2 reasons & why you probably shouldnt undervolt especially if you dont want to lose data.
Reason 1 - Phones Power:
As you have seen from the guide here, theres possible restarts that are FRUSTRATING (i cant tell you how many times i had to wait for the phone to reboot whilst experimenting because i lost count) & they can happen randomly!
Reason 2 - Data Loss:
I didnt tell you in the other guide but theres a chance that the application you are usings data could corrupt! This means that unless the app was made by a huge company which lets be honest, people who try to take the most out of their phone possible arent most of the time, could erase everything you changed, you'd have to start from scratch.
So if youre experimenting on undervolting, thease 2 things will most likely happen.
This is interesting but until you throughly test it it don't rely on the new settings. Even then it may end biting you. Always backup all critical data redundantly. Expect a crash and complete data loss.
There are various grades of processor even in the same batch. Some will operate stablely with less voltage or higher frequency, etc. others will not. The processor core isn't the only consideration as it's part of the SOC. Other sections may cause erratic voltage drops so extra head room may be needed. The mobo bus rails and power supply are also likely factored in.