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XDA Atom Waste of Money

I bought XDA Atom a three days ago and used it has got good features but the device is very slow and it hangs all the times. If u try n open the camera it hangs. Even at the configuiration time also it hangs. At last finally i have sold this phone i was pretty fed up of it. It was damn slow and hangs all the time. The response time is very slow.
So I really recommend dont even think of buying it.

Jeet, you like collecting phones don't you!
I'd love to get my hands on an Atom, don't think they're on sale in the UK yet. Nice to develop for WM5 on a small device for the pocket. Wizard isn't really for me, Atom seems perfect...
Have you tried soft resetting and sidestepping the customised extended ROM?
V

My atom was also a laggy.
I got rid of the O2connect that is always loaded from startup and it now flys.
I haven't had any lockups after 4 days of hard testing, and while the camera is laggy it's not that bad.
All in all I think my atom is amazing, and I'm very happy with it.
Regards,
Simon

Hi Jeet,
Based on yr reviews..I ordered one atom to resale..and I checked it thoroughly.I did not notice any lock ups...What I did, I hard resetted it and then started exploring...also did the self test.
THere's nim extended ROM I think...the Memory management is totally differrent...something like 2003SE but on WM5...]
u have 60 MB RAM, 22 MB of Main Memory and 43.86 MB of Storage
So it is entirely differrent...I shd say a Mix of HP iPaqs system with WM5..one needs to investigate more...

simonpickard said:
My atom was also a laggy.
I got rid of the O2connect that is always loaded from startup and it now flys.
I haven't had any lockups after 4 days of hard testing, and while the camera is laggy it's not that bad.
All in all I think my atom is amazing, and I'm very happy with it.
Regards,
Simon
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Hi Simon.
Do you mind telling us how you removed it from the startup?
You can say that I'm not familiar with the registry, but I've edited it.
I'm planning to remove more than that O2 connect. The MediaPlus SMS plus seem useless to me too.
Thanks!

Hi there,
To remove it just go into file manager and when windows / startup.
There are shortcuts to the apps that get loaded every time you reboot.
I just removed them and my atom is now much faster, i.e. you don't get those nasty pauses every now and then for no reason.
Regards,
Simon

My Indonesian cousin recently got an XDA Atom too with the same observations as you guys.
As far as i'm concerned:
considering the enhanced features like WiFi and a 2MPx camera, with the processor type/speed not considerably improved, "lagging" and "hanging" is not surprising.
Too bad you sold the phone though. Usually 1st edition O/S programs have a lot of bugs. Most probably an upgraded program available in 3-6 months time may solve the existing problems
Pogi

I have the same negative experience and I belive it is all software related and can be fixed. Once again, hardware spec is not everything, at the end of the day it is human being making things work. Hope O2 will learn from it and qucikly fix Atom before damge of the O2 name is too deep to be reparied.

my issue with the Atom is only the outgoing sound quality. Ive had it for 2 days and everyone Ive spoken with has had troubles hearing me, complaining of 'muffled' sound and very low volume....
anyone else have this? I guess I should be returning mine? Ive not seen many complaints about this...

The "my TyTn works just fine" post

I get scared real easy, and I'm now starting to worry about the TyTn. Several people are now reporting problems with these devices, including serious hardware problems.
So please comfort me; your TyTn works just great right?........righ?

Mine is fine so far, no key problems or screen alignments only problem i have is slow access to web sites with tmobile
Cheers
Chris

This is a good idea, but unfortuntely your going to get a pretty skewed result seen how most ppl that have issues are on these boards because they want to resolve them, if your device is working fine its less likely you will be at this juncture to post 'all's well'.
It seems a massive amount of problems seem to be directed to the Vodaphone models and not necessarily the TyTN models. Also other forums arent reporting wide spread problems, and furthermore I just spoke (email) with 2 other Australians who had purchased HTC TyTNs from USA, and they havent had any issues with their devices.
I hope this information is of some comfort to you. If it helps I had the same feeling with the jasjar as it had widespread complaints, although m ainly software ones which I knew could and were addressed.

Trion ... Can't stop singing praises
Really happy with my Trion.
I had started with the original XDA which was the first one of it's kind and kind of cool but that quickly fell out of use due to the phone usability and the need to always use a stylus. I was really happy with the Smartphones as it really was usable using one hand but when the Trion came out I thought it was time to take the plunge back to a PPC, well at least as a office phone. Haven't looked back. Thejog dial button works a charm and with all the extra buttons you can actually use the Trion full time without use of the stylus. WLAN functions perfectly even with Skype. Push email functions like a charm syncing contacts and calander, tasks and email instantly (I recommend mail2web as a cheap way of implementing push email). A2DP actually works and is finally usable especially with the A2DP improvement hack. Now listening to music is crystal clear with no skipping (I'm using the Motorola HT820 which gives start stop pause functionality and with some other hacks you can program the speaker button to trigger programs such as voice command). Tomtom works fine. Definately the 400 Mhz CPU has made the Trion function well with most apps.
The size is slightly smaller than the Wizard but it actually makes a huge difference. Pictures are actually usable with 2MP and a flash light which helps a bit as well.
I finally found the perfect business phone I can use!

TYTN
Mine work fine now for 3 weeks w/o any soft reset.
English version from the Netherlands
Only 2 time (in the night) he was crashed but I think it's because I use pocket wakeup.
Michel

Mine is fine (vodafone v1605) although I cant get vodafone live just a blank screen but the rest of the web is great. No Issues after a hard restet when I first got it, it seems I wasnt the first person with it as I didnt have to set it up and it had 2 minutes on the call timers. But apart from that mine works great.

hey,
i've had my v1605 for a total of 22 hours now. I got mine on a wicked upgrade deal (released from contract for free and got handset for free too)
So far I must say that I haven't found any issues with this baby.
Here are my ROM details - are they different from others?
ROM 1.20.161.3
ROM Date 06/06/06 - (eeeek!)
radio 1.03.06.00
protocol 32.34.7010.01W
PTM

HTC TyTN Pro here
ROM version: 1.18.255.3
ROM date: 5/30/06
radio: 1.03.03.10
protocol: 32.34.7010.01H
ExtROM: 1.18.255.105
waiting for the 1st ROM update to fix some minor issues (like not being able to hold the comm-manager button to switch to vibrate mode).

Mine works very well....I never soft reset it, I've had it for 2 days and it works great!!!!!!

I've got two and they are both fantastic.
Not had any problems at all and 3g absolutely flies along!
Both are v1605
ROM 1.20.161.3
ROM Date 06/06/06
radio 1.03.06.00
protocol 32.34.7010.01W

Had no problems with my HTC TyTN here.
Works great.

could people post the start of there serial numbers please which are working fine.
i.e HT26

My XDA Trion working just perfectly and without any problem at all...thanks god ^^

Sick of it, returning it, sooo disappointing

Okay, I'm going to (try and) return my device (through devicewire, anyone know how good their returns policy is?). Here, in order of importance, is why:
1- Bluetooth doesn't work any more (it comes up saying "Error: bluetooth hardware problem"
2- Phone needs a hard restart (battery out) ONCE A DAY. This is despite resetting it and keeping it clean as received. Something will freeze
3- It's slow. REALLY slow. OMG how boringly slow.
4- Most screen taps require one, two or three attempts to get it to recognise - whether I do the registry hack or not
5- It ain't that pretty, it ain't that small, it ain't that light
Shame, because it does have a fair bit going for it. But I'm finding that they've just tried to push the envelope too far, especially on a system that is such a HUGE MESS already (Windows Mobile).
Gawd I HATE it when a gadget doesn't work out. And I hate it more when it cost me near enough £400 ($800) to get it

It really sounds like you have defective unit. Maybe you should try to exchange it for another one.

sonus said:
It really sounds like you have defective unit. Maybe you should try to exchange it for another one.
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Yep. Not one issue with mine. As for speed, I guess that's all relative. However, I have had enough WM devices in the past to base my comparisons to and I don't find the TC to be any worse than my past devices. In some respects, it is faster at some operations (ie. opening applications, browsing directories, etc) than my past device. I have no issue with touching the screen and the amount of pressure needed.
As for the size and weight of the TC, you'll be hard pressed to find anything that's leaps and bounds smaller and lighter on the market right now with the exception of the original Touch series.

madinga said:
Okay, I'm going to (try and) return my device (through devicewire, anyone know how good their returns policy is?). Here, in order of importance, is why:
1- Bluetooth doesn't work any more (it comes up saying "Error: bluetooth hardware problem"
2- Phone needs a hard restart (battery out) ONCE A DAY. This is despite resetting it and keeping it clean as received. Something will freeze
3- It's slow. REALLY slow. OMG how boringly slow.
4- Most screen taps require one, two or three attempts to get it to recognise - whether I do the registry hack or not
5- It ain't that pretty, it ain't that small, it ain't that light
Shame, because it does have a fair bit going for it. But I'm finding that they've just tried to push the envelope too far, especially on a system that is such a HUGE MESS already (Windows Mobile).
Gawd I HATE it when a gadget doesn't work out. And I hate it more when it cost me near enough £400 ($800) to get it
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Taking the battery out does not hard reset the device, it just reboots it. If you check the wiki, you sill see how to really perform the hard reset. This may be all your device needs. Sounds like some corrupt files in the active OS. Doing a true Hard Reset will restore all files from ROM and correct any corrupt ones. You will lose all settings and contact information so have them backed up or accessible. Also, you may want to remove your microSD before you hard reset.
Good Luck and report back

raskell said:
Taking the battery out does not hard reset the device, it just reboots it. If you check the wiki, you sill see how to really perform the hard reset. This may be all your device needs. Sounds like some corrupt files in the active OS. Doing a true Hard Reset will restore all files from ROM and correct any corrupt ones. You will lose all settings and contact information so have them backed up or accessible. Also, you may want to remove your microSD before you hard reset.
Good Luck and report back
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Sorry, I should have said i DID do a proper hard reset (hold buttons down, restart, software reinstalls on a bare phone), and still problems with bluetooth. AND, incidentially, WIFI! This evening I'm going to try throwing it against a wall (joking). Thanks for helping though

madinga said:
Sorry, I should have said i DID do a proper hard reset (hold buttons down, restart, software reinstalls on a bare phone), and still problems with bluetooth. AND, incidentially, WIFI! This evening I'm going to try throwing it against a wall (joking). Thanks for helping though
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You got a bad device. It happens. If you are satisfied with what the device offers, exchange it for another.

it's true that it's too slow to search a name in all database !
I had a QTek 9090 also cadenced to 400Mhz during nearly 2 years,and I used to search a name not only in contacts but using the "search" tool in all the datas and with the same database of almost 3000 contacts + calender over 1000 entries, with the QTek it took only a few seconds, here on the TC (and I used also before a TYTN it was the same problem : very slow),it takes more than 1 minute ! It is so slow that the screenlight turns off before it has found !! It is really boring and not easy to use: I have to go in contacts and type the name or surname, then it is much faster....BUT if I want to find a keyword I put in the notes of my contacts, the only way is to use the search tool and it is REAL too slow !
What do you guys, testers, think about this ? The QTek had the same processor speed, half less RAM and ROM but maybe it consumed more energy, more power, maybe the battery lasted less time, but ok, I prefer to charge my battery more often and to have a fast PDA . I cannot wait so long to search an item !!!

try to exchange you device for a new one and you will be a happy chap

Cedel: The 9090 (Qtek = HTC) has an Intel CPU I owned a Qtek S110 (also Intel) and it was in fact very fast. But comparing raw CPU speed in this case is not correct. I'm pretty sure Intel uses a completely different architecture. There are IMO several reasons for HTC dropping Intel from their phones:
1. Cost - Intel have never been a cost effective solution and I strongly suspect that they are at least 30% more expensive.
2. Battery - A 9090 or S110 would not live though the day with GPS, 128 MB DDR RAM and all the other features you now have I can confirm this from an iPAQ 316 I tested recently. 2 hours @battery power was it's maximum!

madinga said:
3- It's slow. REALLY slow. OMG how boringly slow.
4- Most screen taps require one, two or three attempts to get it to recognise - whether I do the registry hack or not
Gawd I HATE it when a gadget doesn't work out. And I hate it more when it cost me near enough £400 ($800) to get it
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that's every touch cruise made by HTC...yours, mine, everyone who owns one in this forum
HTC consideres these two things "features" because this is a "business device"
i thought you knew that! (lol)
just for kicks though, what registry hack are you referring to?

surgex0 said:
that's every touch cruise made by HTC...yours, mine, everyone who owns one in this forum
HTC consideres these two things "features" because this is a "business device"
i thought you knew that! (lol)
just for kicks though, what registry hack are you referring to?
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Good point!
The registry hack is the one to increase screen sensitivity posted elsewhere - screen still needed a couple of prods to work.
Any case, I've sent it off to HTC with my list of complaints - let's see what they send back...

yeah i've tried that...didn't do much difference
i hope u get ur probs fixed, good luck dealing with HTC :-\

madinga said:
Good point!
The registry hack is the one to increase screen sensitivity posted elsewhere - screen still needed a couple of prods to work.
Any case, I've sent it off to HTC with my list of complaints - let's see what they send back...
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I have recently sent me touch dual back to HTC twice- the first time they said they replaced the mainboard but when I got it back it still had problems, the second time they said they couldnt find any issues with it and reflashed the rom and sent it back- they were unhelpful and unapologetic. Was thinking of sending in a written complaint as I never had any problems with my wizard or TYTN but I honestly dont think it will achieve anything.
I was thinking of getting rid of it and getting a touch cruise but it seems to have just as many problems. I think its windows mobile that is the weak link here.

RetroFlux said:
I was thinking of getting rid of it and getting a touch cruise but it seems to have just as many problems.
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What problems are those? Aside from lack of graphics drivers, the device performs as I expect.

Well, I got my device back from HTC. Appart from the fact the screen glows in the bottom left corner (though not really visible once the screen is bright), they seem to have improved it. In the sense that it's not totally broken. So bluetooth and WIFI work again, which, frankly, they should for this much money.
The TC is still a slow phone with pretty terrible usability. But even with a faster processor, the usability would be terrible. So, I dunno, I'm stuck with it for the moment.

madinga, i really understand you. It's a ****ed up device! I bought it for $1000 and for such money it freezes, doesn't wakeup on power push, and got a very bad performance. I wanna throw it to the wall!! ****

Well I like mine...
But it's not a massive improvement over the original Orbit. The Touch interface is loads better though, I'd miss that if I went back to the Orbit.
A proper VGA screen in it would be great though, since it would make it a lot more possible/easier to use to read PDF novels etc. Currently you can't have the entire page of a book full screen and the text still be readable. A higher DPI would sort that out.

madinga said:
Well, I got my device back from HTC. Appart from the fact the screen glows in the bottom left corner (though not really visible once the screen is bright), they seem to have improved it. In the sense that it's not totally broken. So bluetooth and WIFI work again, which, frankly, they should for this much money.
The TC is still a slow phone with pretty terrible usability. But even with a faster processor, the usability would be terrible. So, I dunno, I'm stuck with it for the moment.
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Its not a slow phone i think your device still have a problem.
Send it back again and demand a new device tell them this is a clearly DOE/RMA Case
they have to give you a new Device.
Cheers
Tarik

andyturner said:
But it's not a massive improvement over the original Orbit. The Touch interface is loads better though, I'd miss that if I went back to the Orbit.
A proper VGA screen in it would be great though, since it would make it a lot more possible/easier to use to read PDF novels etc. Currently you can't have the entire page of a book full screen and the text still be readable. A higher DPI would sort that out.
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I really don't have any problems reading books/novels... GowerPoint uBook does the job... well it can't read PDF files but it can read RTF files, so the text formatting can be preserved, also it has lots of features...

10 Min For Cube To Load
It took 10 mins for the cube to open. During that time, it locked my PDA. I've been disappointed in this and all the bugs with the Word Completion and returned it as a manufacturer defect.
In all the years prior to now, I cannot believe the processors currently out there have not advanced in speed.

Orbit2 or HTC Touch Cruise P3650?

Is eny different between this two phone? I read that have many problems with orbit2, is the same with Touch cruise, same problems? Now i have o2 orbit and thinking to buy orbit2 or cruise, but i m little sceptical, becouse of problems..
Thanke you!

Nobody knows?
Is any test between these to phones on net?
Thanks!

IMHO the o2 has a better form factor...it's more rounded...
but other than that, i'm pretty sure its 100% the same exact hardware on the inside...and as a touch cruise owner, i can tell you it's a lag ridden slow ass POS..return it while u still can, cause drivers aren't coming any time soon

surgex0 said:
i can tell you it's a lag ridden slow ass POS..return it while u still can, cause drivers aren't coming any time soon
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Don't take that for gospel. I have owned many PPC's going back to 2000 and i can tell you from my experience, the TC performs just fine in day-to-day operation. As a matter of fact, it performs much better than my last 2 devices, a Treo 750 and the KJAM.

1. Wi-Fi
2. BT
3. Front earphone
4. Radio
5. Bad painting
6. Shutting down suddenly
Are these problems have only orbit2 or both?

o2orbit said:
1. Wi-Fi
2. BT
3. Front earphone
4. Radio
5. Bad painting
6. Shutting down suddenly
Are these problems have only orbit2 or both?
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I have no such "problems" with my TC. However, if you want to nitpick, the FM antenna is not very strong so there can be interference if used in a place like a metropolitan city.
Other than that, I have not had any problems.

4.) bad painting
all the time...all you have to do is be viewing a web site in whatever browser and press the phone key. Depending on what other applications you have open, and how much ram you are using, it can take up to 1-5 seconds to fully "paint" the dialpad on the screen, piece by piece.
If you are scrolling through anything, lets say the programs menu, or a website, the screen flickers, and lags.
I can remember back about 15 years ago, to my first desktop PC...it was a pentium 133 MHZ, with an ATI 3d card that had 8MB of ram I believe, and it ran windows 3.11 for workgroups, and then windows 95.
Lets just say even that comp (if it were still put together) could out do the touch cruise graphics wise.
As for the other problems you are describing, I have not had any issues with those. For the most part, it's just the graphics \ user interface stuff and lack of proper video drivers.
The actual radio hardware is fine.
If i were you, I would wait until all the issues are worked out before you spend alot of money on a handheld..unless you really need it. I'm actually thinking of selling my touch cruise and getting an Atom V.

both are same inside, but i'm on my 3rd O2 Orbit 2 due to cosmetics, i get the feeling the new 'stylised' case for the Orbit 2 is rushed, as all 3 have gaps, off centre screen and now my 3rd one the GPS plug keeps falling out! lol
i'd go for the original 'design' as most complaints i've heard have been about O2 version - BUT just cosmetics, not hardware.
i really can't be bothered to send this back, but will think twice about what i upgrade to next :/

or a website, the screen flickers, and lags.
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If you're using PIE, there is a fix for that. After applying the fix, scrolling is just fine.
I also have no scrolling issues using Netfront 3.5.

cosmetics i agree with that.
if you look in the accessories thread, there are multiple posts about the top screen being crooked and not glued onto the other screen, hearing snap backs when tapping on or around the corners.
Also I agree that the micro-sd hatch is very poorly designed, also along with the GPS plug.
Just a thought, that keeps recurring though my mind...why didn't they put more time and thought into these devices, when they cost upwards of $1000.
Unless of course, they made it this way, cosmetics and software, purposely...
But that's just me...there are some people who don't seem to have a problem with the way this device performs.
I think though, that I'm being over critical, because all of the previous HTC devices I have used, have never had problems that have even come close to this, and also, they didn't cost nearly as much. I just expected so much more from the TC.

o2orbit said:
1. Wi-Fi
2. BT
3. Front earphone
4. Radio
5. Bad painting
6. Shutting down suddenly
Are these problems have only orbit2 or both?
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On the TC
1) Wi-fi is fine
2) Only used BT to transfer files between laptop and phone, works fine.
3) No problem with earphone
4) not sure, the actual radio ROM (reception, etc) or FM Radio. 1st one is fine, 2nd one reception can suck.
5) Sux donkey balls. See the post about dialer skin lag. very true.
6) Never happened.
The device is fine overall with day to day use. but sometimes stuff just won't freakin work or will lag. every once in awhile my GPS will take forever to lock or when it does it will be off by a bit. sometimes windows live mail won't send/receive when i want it to. other times i feel the device just can't handle multiple things at the same time. opening audio manager when you have several hundred music files takes about 5-10 secs. then when listening to music while typing an sms, you will feel some lag while typing as opposed to typing with no music playing.

I have an Orbit 2 ...build wise its fantastic. Before I bought it, I was going to buy the iphone, the salesman in the O2 shop gave me a demo on the iphone's rigidity and build quality, he held the iphone flat in his palm with the screen up and slammed it down hard onto a wooden desk from a height of approx 1 metre....it looked very impressive...when I got my Orbit 2 I did the same.....not even a scratch....

Also thought I would comment on BT issues..since I failed to mention it in my previous post
Handsfree works great.
I have a handsfree system in my automobile, and I have a motorola HS850 as well.
No problems whatsoever.
Also, activesync works great over BT, so does internet sharing using the PAN.
File transfer takes a long time, but that is to be expected, since BT data transfer rates aren't as good as USB.
A2DP however, sucks the big one.
I've tried 5 different a2dp devices\headsets...
It's all lag ridden, staticy at times, and sometiems it just plain stops and skips for 5-20 seconds.
It seems like whenever you use a2dp it lags the whole friggen device as well..
I emailed HTC about this and their response was less than helpful.
They gave me a bunch of a2dp headset models that they have "tested"
and then told me that just because they were tested doesn't mean they are fully functional without issues.
I tried to tell them that it wasn't the headsets and it was the device itself, but they didn't seem to listen to what I had to say.

Never tried a2dp, but i don't have a hard time seeing this happening with this device. just the kind of thing to be expected. and i wanted to have stereo bluetooth to listen to music, etc. is it really that bad? guess i won't be trying that.
as far as build quality, it's good so far. except the loose volume switch on the side that rattles. kinda lame there. i've heard of the orbit2 jog dials falling off. there's another thread about that somewhere.

surgex0 said:
cosmetics i agree with that.
if you look in the accessories thread, there are multiple posts about the top screen being crooked and not glued onto the other screen, hearing snap backs when tapping on or around the corners.
Also I agree that the micro-sd hatch is very poorly designed, also along with the GPS plug.
Just a thought, that keeps recurring though my mind...why didn't they put more time and thought into these devices, when they cost upwards of $1000.
Unless of course, they made it this way, cosmetics and software, purposely...
But that's just me...there are some people who don't seem to have a problem with the way this device performs.
I think though, that I'm being over critical, because all of the previous HTC devices I have used, have never had problems that have even come close to this, and also, they didn't cost nearly as much. I just expected so much more from the TC.
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I'm one of the ones not having a problem with my TC. I agree the web using ie is slow but is also on every other wm device I've had. So I use opera mini.
Upwards of $1000?? Where the hell are you buying it anyway? That's a bit exagerated isn't it? I concur tho that phones are getting more and more expensive and the quality of build is not equal to cost. Actually my gf's t-mo go phone cost $40 and is seemingly indestructable.

surgex0 said:
A2DP however, sucks the big one.
I've tried 5 different a2dp devices\headsets...
It's all lag ridden, staticy at times, and sometiems it just plain stops and skips for 5-20 seconds.
It seems like whenever you use a2dp it lags the whole friggen device as well..
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You seem to have a lot of complaints. However, I can tell you that I have experienced no such lags as you mention using A2DP. I use a Moto S9 when I work out at the gym and no problems at all. I can even surf the web while using A2DP using Opera Mini or Mobile without issue. Keep in mind that I push multi-tasking on my devices.
I will say however, that using the S9's with the TC in NYC is crappy due to the weakness of the BT signal. I used to have the same issue with my Treo 750 using WM5 then when I upgraded to WM6 the issue seemed to lessen enough to the point where I didn't quite mind the "occasional" skip.

o2orbit said:
Is eny different between this two phone? I read that have many problems with orbit2, is the same with Touch cruise, same problems? Now i have o2 orbit and thinking to buy orbit2 or cruise, but i m little sceptical, becouse of problems..
Thanke you!
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Did they up the ram? Because 64mb is unaceptable. Causes freeze-ups and shut downs. Gotta have 128mb minimum.

JNGold said:
You seem to have a lot of complaints. However, I can tell you that I have experienced no such lags as you mention using A2DP. I use a Moto S9 when I work out at the gym and no problems at all.
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Hm..I don't get it..
I tried those and they had the same problems as all the other ones I tried.
I tried them in my house, working out, airports, planes...no matter where i went they were the same. I dunno man :-\ I am having alot of bad luck lately...
And also, to comment about the price thing...the Sedna costs 1000 and the touch cruise is currently going for 700-800...I paid 850 for mine but i got it after one of the first shipments to the wholesaler. This is in the US though...I've heard these same exact phones cost like $50 in hong kong. Dunno if it's true but...search google checkout for the HTC Sedna, and see how much they cost.

$50 for a Cruise in HK??? no way. link?

surgex0 said:
Hm..I don't get it..
I tried those and they had the same problems as all the other ones I tried.
I tried them in my house, working out, airports, planes...no matter where i went they were the same. I dunno man :-\ I am having alot of bad luck lately...
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Yea, surgex0, you might wanna do some investigation, b/c A2DP works perfectly for me also. No skipping, great quality, and I can multitask w/o a real slowdown in performance. I've used it with my Samsung A2DP headphones, my Sony A2DP input/output adapter for my home stereo, and random A2DP demo products in stores. No issues here... Maybe try other headphones, or if you are on a custom rom try the original rom.

Fuze Owners: OK, who's jumping ship?

It's coming up on 30 days so if you're going to return it the time is now. I like the Fuze a lot, but after the Tilt I realize how important battery life is. I can't take another year of 12 hours of battery life until the next HTC device with a weak battery.
I might have to get the HP 910 Business Messenger. It has comparable features and size but has a 1940 mAh battery. What other sub-$500 alternatives to the Fuze are there? If the early reviews on the HP phone are positive, I'm gone.

Here's an idea... wait a month, get an extended battery... or carry a spare in your pocket. Is there anything else about the phone you don't like?

themyst said:
Here's an idea... wait a month, get an extended battery... or carry a spare in your pocket. Is there anything else about the phone you don't like?
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just the horrid battery and laggy gps and voice command issues and windows live with messenger not working properly even though windows live without messenger works perfectly and the cramped keyboard (that one isn't a big deal).
with these and other issues cited by XDA foks, HTC would have to release an updated ROM to fix all or most of them. and we can't count on them doing that.
so if i wait a month, no refund. an extended battery might do the trick, but they make the phone a brick and the smaller extended doesn't add much juice. and i don't even know if a cooked ROM would help significanty.

and i don't even know if a cooked ROM would help significanty.
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Then try it now before your 30 days is up and see if it helps. If not, then return it. If it helps, then you have the best phone possible right now. Dont return it until you explore all of your options.

Believe me, a cooked ROM makes a world a difference. it is like using a whole different phone. The screen is very responsive and everything loads much faster. While I agree the battery life is not great and the annoying design flaw with the molding chipping off, other than that I have no complaints.

i had a dutty rom on my tilt so i know they're great. i just don't know if the available ROMs solve the issues i listed (gps, voice command, windows live with messenger and others). but you're right. it won't hurt to try one.
now a politically incorrect question: which raphael chef is the closest to dutty in terms of ROM brilliance? i define brilliance as not just stripping a rom down (which, of course, is essential), but solving problems inherent to the device while adding a good deal of functionality.

Not trying to toot my own horn, but my ROM addresses the GPS and voice command issues irt the speaker (bluetooth vc is borked for the moment). I'm not sure what the issue is with windows live w/messenger, but the cab works fine when I install it (although it runs dog slow on the today screen)

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Not trying to toot my own horn, but my ROM addresses the GPS and voice command issues irt the speaker (bluetooth vc is borked for the moment). I'm not sure what the issue is with windows live w/messenger, but the cab works fine when I install it (although it runs dog slow on the today screen)
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Have to agree here, if you want a non-manila version, Da_G's is one of the best available for fuze owners. Its very quick and responsive. If you want to keep manila, ROMeOS is a great choice. You should also try different radios to get better battery life as well.

I am definetely not jumping ship. There is not a better phone out there currently and most if not all of my friends with other phones also have battery life issues. it is what it is with these mini computers if you are a real "power user". You either keep it plugged in when you are using your desktop and in your office, or plug it in whenever in the car, or get a spare battery. All of those options are not that bad to be honest, but nothing else compares to the phone in general. I have added just about everything I can to my fuze without changing rom or radio and I think it is an incredible phone that just keeps getting better with each day I find a new tweak or program to play with.
You can read my full review of my fuze on my blog at http://www.politicaldisgust.com/2008/12/05/att-htc-fuze-review/
For work I have had all the different Blackberry phones since the day they were released and with the type of usage I have they ALL ran out of battery during the day and had to be charged as mentioned above. Sure it was a little better then the fuze battery BUT the blackberry is 1/2 the phone/computer.
Check out my review. I am not jumping ship. It will only get better and better with new programs, cooked roms/radios, new cases released, etc.

TVDinner said:
I am definetely not jumping ship. There is not a better phone out there currently and most if not all of my friends with other phones also have battery life issues. it is what it is with these mini computers if you are a real "power user". You either keep it plugged in when you are using your desktop and in your office, or plug it in whenever in the car, or get a spare battery. All of those options are not that bad to be honest, but nothing else compares to the phone in general. I have added just about everything I can to my fuze without changing rom or radio and I think it is an incredible phone that just keeps getting better with each day I find a new tweak or program to play with.
You can read my full review of my fuze on my blog at http://www.politicaldisgust.com/2008/12/05/att-htc-fuze-review/
For work I have had all the different Blackberry phones since the day they were released and with the type of usage I have they ALL ran out of battery during the day and had to be charged as mentioned above. Sure it was a little better then the fuze battery BUT the blackberry is 1/2 the phone/computer.
Check out my review. I am not jumping ship. It will only get better and better with new programs, cooked roms/radios, new cases released, etc.
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you are probably right. even the reviews of this HP phone i mentioned are mixed and say it's battery might not be that great.

I would definitely ditch the stock rom, also I heard security unlocking your phone greatly increases battery life, correct me if I'm wrong.

I wont be anytime soon. Like others said cooked rom's help as well as testing other radio's to see which one give the best battery life. I highly suggest getting your fuze security unlocked so you can test other radios. So far I'm loving this phone. At first I wasn't sure b/c the tilt was very good to me, but now I'm positive I won't be taking it back.
It'll only get better from here.

Cooked ROMs always break something though, and regardless you can't fix poor hardware design with a new ROM. To those who say they have the best phone out now, guess they haven't tried the Xperia yet.

You make a very good point..
/me muddles over to play with the xperia drivers

My brother has the hp 910. I liked it at first, I used to have 6515 and loved it. Since that phone I've been hooked on windows mobile. I liked the 910 but always wanted a bigger screen. Funny thing is this screen isn't bigger. However when I look at my brothers 910 i think 2 things:
DAmn this thing is super pixelated
and
I never realized how wide it was.
However I think HP does a way better job than HTC. I never had so many problems with my 6515, as I do with this phone. But, I can't go back once I had a taste of this vga sexy goodness.

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when is that supposed to be released? I'm definitely going to get one.
btw.. im squeezing more battery life out of my fuze with NATF's cooked ROM. I've had it on for about 14 hours and its only at 75% with moderate usage... I did turn off HSDPA because i thought 3G would get me a little better battery life

diar said:
It's coming up on 30 days so if you're going to return it the time is now. I like the Fuze a lot, but after the Tilt I realize how important battery life is. I can't take another year of 12 hours of battery life until the next HTC device with a weak battery.
I might have to get the HP 910 Business Messenger. It has comparable features and size but has a 1940 mAh battery. What other sub-$500 alternatives to the Fuze are there? If the early reviews on the HP phone are positive, I'm gone.
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if you want battery life, go with blackjack II or maybe even epix. Of all the phone's I've used, motorola probably lasts forever. U can always wait for their android phone~ HP is HUGE (have you seen it in person?)
I'm not having too much battery life problem running RomeOs. I hear NATF's really good too (i'm waiting for him to stabilize his ROM for GOOD b4 switching, i'm new to the flashing world so I'd rather wait until all the kinks are fixed). are you on 3G the whole time? No phone lasts long when they're on the 3G network constantly. maybe try disconnecting it after X seconds of inactivity?
I'm also planning to get a spare battery so i can make full use of the media functionality (ie. music over bluetooth, video, browsing...etc). Replaceable battery was one of the deciding factors for me when I was hunting for a new phone.
and...um...not sure if anyone's felt the same way, the topic for this thread's a bit belittling. I understand you're not satisfied with your handset, but there's really no need to make all the other fuze users who aren't jumping ship seem like idiots who cling onto their phone even tho it's "defective". (that's was the first thought that came to my mind before I actually read your post and understood ur dilemma). sorry about the vent, just had to get it out

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if you want battery life, go with blackjack II or maybe even epix. Of all the phone's I've used, motorola probably lasts forever. U can always wait for their android phone~ HP is HUGE (have you seen it in person?)
I'm not having too much battery life problem running RomeOs. I hear NATF's really good too (i'm waiting for him to stabilize his ROM for GOOD b4 switching, i'm new to the flashing world so I'd rather wait until all the kinks are fixed). are you on 3G the whole time? No phone lasts long when they're on the 3G network constantly. maybe try disconnecting it after X seconds of inactivity?
I'm also planning to get a spare battery so i can make full use of the media functionality (ie. music over bluetooth, video, browsing...etc). Replaceable battery was one of the deciding factors for me when I was hunting for a new phone.
and...um...not sure if anyone's felt the same way, the topic for this thread's a bit belittling. I understand you're not satisfied with your handset, but there's really no need to make all the other fuze users who aren't jumping ship seem like idiots who cling onto their phone even tho it's "defective". (that's was the first thought that came to my mind before I actually read your post and understood ur dilemma). sorry about the vent, just had to get it out
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lol...i'm definitely not attacking other fuze owners. just wondering how seriously people think the phone's flaws are. i'm going to try a cooked ROM and see how that goes.

Had to put my .02 in. Yes, I am jumping ship...from the iPhone to the Fuze. As an oldtime smartphone addict, I've tried a bunch of em over the years (yep, paid 599 for the original iPhone, but at least I didn't stand in line for it). Didn't upgrade to the 3G, cause they didn't add in the no-brainer stuff that everyone has talked about (and didn't want to give up my $20 data plan for a minimal upgrade). I will miss the SWEET UI, but the get-back features that the Fuze brings to the table are worth it (not to mention not having to juggle everything thru iTunes). From everything I've read, yes there have been some infancy gotcha's, but it appears to me that you smart folks have fixed the huge majority of them. Thanks guys <followed by an I'm not worthy bow> for the fixes, and this incredible info forum!

Well, to sum it up the Fuze for me:
o +0.6 is less broken than the Tilt graphically because it has some 2D/3D acceleration, but it's something like 60% of Kaiser's speeds.
o -1.0 has broken d-pad design by that company that designs only for show (and since HTC bought them, expect more of it)
o -1.0 poor case design that won't stand up to wear nor finger prints
o +1.5 has G-sensors that would make cool programming possibilities
o +1.0 has VGA display that should've been standard with Kaiser
0 +0.0 decent keyboard
o -1.0 is inferior, cheap-skate HTC/Qualcomm combination
vs Xperia (which I have yet to find in a store [and now delayed to January 12th, 2009]):
o +0.4 is less broken than Tilt graphically, but ~85% of Fuze's speed
o +0.5 doesn't have broken d-pad design, but questionable optical cursor
o +1.0 good case design that'll stand up to wear and fingerprints
o -1.5 doesn't have G-sensors for advanced programs
o +1.5 has VGA+ display for more screen estate usage such as PalmOS like writing/game-controller area
o -0.5 blah keyboard
o -1.0 is inferior, cheap-skate HTC/Qualcomm combination
so 0.1 versus 0.4 over the Kaiser. Hmm..
If only there was alternative Samsung/Xscale pda + 3D + accelerometers that isn't the iPhone.