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Does anyone know how to do Big Storage on Prophet?

How to free the Extended_ROM on Prophet?
thank you so much

i would also like to know how to repartition the storage space and combine both.

Memory problem(WM6): Storage -vs- Program

I know this was a problem in WM5, but is there any way in WM6 to force it to use more memory for Programme's instead of Storage.
I have 20 MB for storage, but only <10 MB for memory.
The problem is that is get a lof of "out of memory" errors when I'm using iGO (SE) and therefore want more 'real' memory to work with (I do not use 20 for storage)
Anyone got a "tweak / software / trick" to do this?

Storage is flash, program is RAM. The two are totally different on WM5 and newer devices compares to WM2003se and older devices.
The Himalaya is not an example of tweaking the allocation as this was not a WM5 device.

AlanJC said:
Storage is flash, program is RAM. The two are totally different on WM5 and newer devices compares to WM2003se and older devices.
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Yes, I know that in wm2003 you could easely change the amount between these two. I noticed that everytime WM5/WM6 is started there was a different mount of flash/ram, so WM is changing this every time ?!?! (so you could manuputalte this?)
AlanJC said:
The Himalaya is not an example of tweaking the allocation as this was not a WM5 device.
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What do you mean with that (I have a universal / T-mobile MDA pro)?!

The only WM5 device you can change the amount of RAM vs Storage is the Himalaya, this is because it was a WM2003 device and it used RAM for both storage, and RAM to run apps in.
WM5 devices don't use RAM to store things in, just the partitioned area of ROM.
You can not use ROM to run things, you only have the RAM, so if you are running out of space, your only option is to run less.

AlanJC said:
You can not use ROM to run things
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Unless, the universal had NOR based ROM, which could XIP

Storage vs. Program memory
Liquid said:
I know this was a problem in WM5, but is there any way in WM6 to force it to use more memory for Programme's instead of Storage.
I have 20 MB for storage, but only <10 MB for memory.
The problem is that is get a lof of "out of memory" errors when I'm using iGO (SE) and therefore want more 'real' memory to work with (I do not use 20 for storage)
Anyone got a "tweak / software / trick" to do this?
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Man! You would have read my mind! I was discussing the very same subject this morning with a friend of mine, but unfortunately he was unable to explain (he's a nokia freak), so I could save a new thread by sharing my views over here.
My query was if Uni has got 128ROM and 64RAM, Eten M700 has got 128ROM and 64RAM. Now, how does the respective reading be Program Total: 48.07 MB & Storage Total: 43.72 MB (cooked rom below)? Whereas M700 has got 128ROM and 64RAM, reading is Program 47.52 MB & Storage 70.24 MB!
If I drop a ringtone or copy an image or even an application, would it utilises storage or program? If I install a cab file, would it go to program or storage? I am facing a terrible issue when I use couple of applications even after closing them, I lose about 10 MB! I know some cooked ROMs had a program memory of 52 MB!
Any one could explain?
BTW, what's XIP?

Cyber-mate said:
If I drop a ringtone or copy an image or even an application, would it utilises storage or program?
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Storage. WM5+ uses 'storage' to store apps
Cyber-mate said:
If I install a cab file, would it go to program or storage?
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Again, storage(this includes other storage media like extended rom and storage card)
Cyber-mate said:
BTW, what's XIP?
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XIP=eXecute In Place. This is a common property of NOR based flash media. NAND based flash media cannot XIP. XIP lets the apps to execute in the ROM itself.
XIP is mostly used by Palm in their Treos to store the OS

kdskamal said:
Storage. WM5+ uses 'storage' to store apps
Again, storage(this includes other storage media like extended ROM and storage card)
XIP=execute In Place. This is a common property of NOR based flash media. NAND based flash media cannot XIP. XIP lets the apps to execute in the ROM itself.
XIP is mostly used by Palm in their Treos to store the OS
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Big thank you for the explain. Now, what about the difference in total memory reading among different PDAs?

Where memory goes to?

Hi everyone! Updated to Darkforce's ROM, but have same question for another ROMs.
As I know Universal comes with 64 Mb RAM and 128 Mb ROM. Well, fine. After installing WM6 by DarkForce "Memory" in "Settings" reports:
Storage Program
Total 43.50 Mb 48.88 Mb
In Use 10.13 Mb 27.87 Mb
Total 33.37 Mb 21.01 Mb
I allow that Windows hiding real size of RAM, but is it using 45 Mb real?
And what about storage? I guess that some ROM memory eats up ROM (that I updated), that's nearly 70-80 Mb. And something WM.
My guesses are right? If that so, how working devices with less memory (like 64/64)?
And what does mean Extended_ROM in "Storage card" option. What is it for and how to deal with this? Why on WM5 weren't that?
Sorry for n00b question.

Memory Problem since WM6.1

Hi,
I was using Nothrills Rom 6.1 in French.
No problem at all with it or so small problem...
I've tried the new official one.
I've reverted back to original SPL.
Since then, when I go to settings memory,
I'm surprised to see only 114 Mo for storage and 84 Mo for usable ram.
As far as I know, Kaiser had 256 Mo of storage and 128 Mo of ram !
these numbers is the total available memory after a hard reset !
Where is my memory ?
I've read the wiki and didn't find this anywhere.
Help please.
Thanks

megaman said:
Hi,
I was using Nothrills Rom 6.1 in French.
No problem at all with it or so small problem...
I've tried the new official one.
I've reverted back to original SPL.
Since then, when I go to settings memory,
I'm surprised to see only 114 Mo for storage and 84 Mo for usable ram.
As far as I know, Kaiser had 256 Mo of storage and 128 Mo of ram !
these numbers is the total available memory after a hard reset !
Where is my memory ?
I've read the wiki and didn't find this anywhere.
Help please.
Thanks
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OS, running processes, services and other things.

megaman said:
Hi,
I was using Nothrills Rom 6.1 in French.
No problem at all with it or so small problem...
I've tried the new official one.
I've reverted back to original SPL.
Since then, when I go to settings memory,
I'm surprised to see only 114 Mo for storage and 84 Mo for usable ram.
As far as I know, Kaiser had 256 Mo of storage and 128 Mo of ram !
these numbers is the total available memory after a hard reset !
Where is my memory ?
I've read the wiki and didn't find this anywhere.
Help please.
Thanks
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THere is 256mb of RAM yes, but there is also a OS running on your phone right! Look at it this way, when you buy a new computer with a harddrive though it might come with a 200gb hard drive, if you look at the C drive it might say 175 mb free. This is because of the software and OS on the hard drive. Same thing with phones
Now about the memory, the reason the memory changes is due to the software, and settings in the ROM. If there is a PagePool it could take anywhere from 2mb to 32mb of space. Also depending on what is on the phone it will use memory, even if you did hard reset.
Hope this helps, but trust me...install some programs and you'll see the Memory size go down. Anywhere above 20 mb is fine, actually any number is fine as long as the rom is running

Difference between install under device and flash disk in Tomal rom

Hi guys, i have recently flashed my uni with the awesome TML v8.81 Rom, I noticed there is a Flash Disk under My device. What's the purpose of that? Could anyone tell me what's the difference between installing software under my device and flash disk?
Many thanks

id like to know this too, as it seems the flash disk removes 15MB or so of much needed RAM, what is the purpose of it, so far I have installed everything on normal storage, should I be installing things like Opera on the flash disk because it runs faster?

types of memory
Ok, quick resume of memory:
There are four types of internal memory on the Universal (the quoted MB are from a 64MB G3 uni):
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[B]Storage Memory[/B]
Type: Internal Storage
Size: Usually 43.72MB with 40MB free (depends on installation of full/vanilla ROM)
What: Your main storage for all installations on your device (including windows)
Use: This where the device ROM (eg WM6.x) and other device programs are stored (everything under \).
eh? : This can be considered much like your C: drive on a PC.
+info: Get a ROM that has just about everything you want.
Getting vanilla ROM and installing apps in Storage is likely to use more Storage than if you get ROM that has all apps you require.
I never install anything here unless I have no option, or it's a Today item.
Some programs will use this as cache or temp storage area.
[B]Program Memory[/B]
Type: Program (RAM)
Size: Usually 48-49MB with 30MB or less free (this figure lowers with the more Apps that are run, an initial 12MB is eaten by Windows)
What: This is your available memory for running programs. Program Memory is also for used by Boot and PagePool (usually 6MB).
Use: The more of this you have, the more programs you can run, and the faster memory hungry apps can run.
eh? : This can be considered much like your RAM on a PC
+info: The Today Screen items will also eat up this memory, so stay away from "bling" Today items if you want other memory hungry apps to run (like route navigators)
NB. This memory is NOT eaten up or reduced by any other medium (ie, FlashDisk). 30MB free is great, but 20MB is usual running for a 64MB Uni.
[B]FlashDisk[/B] (only available on G3 according to wiki [I]- someone clarify?[/I])
Type: Internal Storage
Size: Can be 10MB to 30MB - and is made available solely by what's left by the ROM and given to you by the cook
What: Extra storage which is retained through a soft-reset.
Use: Store programs you always want available (ie, not on SD), but don't want in your Storage Memory
eh?: This can be considered much like your second hard-drive on a PC.
+info: If important, choose cook and ROM wisely, otherwise install such stuff on approprate SD/Storage.
The FlashDisk is where I store my messages and attachments (and programs like music/video players if cook doesn't supply them).
NB. This doesn't take up any Program Memory. It's either made available by the cook, or if the cook doesn't make it available it's wasted space that you can't use.
[B]ExtendedROM[/B]
Type: Internal Storage
Size: Is usually 9.96MB
What: Extra memory which doesn't survive a soft-reset.
Use: Anything you don't mind losing :)
eh?: This could be considered as a RAMDrive on a PC (that is, in that it's volatile, but not that it takes up any Program Memory)
+info: I use this for all cache (eg PIExplorer, Opera etc)
NB. Again, this is either made available or wasted space you can't use (see FlashDisk NB).
[B]Storage Card[/B]
Type: External Storage
Size: Can be anything (I have seen up to 16GB)
What: Extra storage for programs, cache etc. Always slower than any of the above. (NB. If anyone really interested, I can get you some values here)
Use: Anything that doesn't fit into the Uni ;)
Install apps here that aren't required by the system (ie, non-Today items)
eh?: This could be considered as any removeable storage on a PC (even an SD card!!!)
+info: Don't put anything here that the system expects to exist (eg, Today items). I use it for maps, music, videos and all apps not supplied by ROM cook.
I only have use one huge SD card, so I install all my apps on it. You may want to reconsider your installations if you use more than one SD card.
However, Cotulla created a ROM for G3 that combined Storage (not program memory)
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Nice answer that!
Now here is where it gets confusing I own a G4 with Tomals Rom on it and it has flash disk on it, I always thought it wasn't meant to. It does work too. I keep other small apps on it, it seems to load as fast as main memory. SD cads have a small time lag on a soft reset, so anything that needs to load on start up needs to be on board not SD. I'm not a cook so i'm sure there is a good answer but I often wondered why memory can't be repartitioned over to ram instead of flash disk or storage?
Jay

Yes, I think that wiki is wrong. I'm sure it's the ExtendedROM that's only on G3, whereas FD is down to the cook.
Hardware constraint on Uni means you can't partition Storage (or FD etc) over to Program Memory (RAM).

JonMorgan said:
Yes, I think that wiki is wrong. I'm sure it's the ExtendedROM that's only on G3, whereas FD is down to the cook.
Hardware constraint on Uni means you can't partition Storage (or FD etc) over to Program Memory (RAM).
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No I get extended rom now too. things have moved on since the WiKi was made I guess.
Jay