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...ABOUT RAM IN 2005...

i have two questions about ram in 2005
first:
in 2005 version ram is used to run program ,so 128MB ram is all to program run.but i found one picture that 96 MB is given to program ,and another 32MB is given to some storage .
second:
according to the first question,sms is stored in ram or rom?and what about the other installed program?
thanks...

First Answer:
There are some versions of the XDA II rom modified by Buzz_Lightyear that convert a portion of the RAM on the device into additional storage memory. They loose the advantage of persistant storage, but gain additional space. Since I have yet to find an app for the device that really needs 128MB of run-time memory (Most I have managed to get my device up to is 80MB) this isn't too bad a trade-off (In my opinion).
Second Answer:
SMS, e-mails, contacts, and installed programs are stored in ROM (Or on the ramdisk if you have allocated part of the RAM as such.
Hope this helps!
Robert Harrold

THANK YOU
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Nice to find you here, nomad.... I am finding 1.6c with 96mb Ram vision.

Ram On WM 2005
Hello All , I've managed to install the "WM2k5_1.60c.00WWE_XDA2_HIMALAYA" Rom on my Xda II (previous O/S was 2003 se)
As I've been browsing the forum it seems that most have apprx 32mb of storage space available but on mine i see only 14.54 and after unlocking Extended Rom I can see many files in there from (what I imagine to be) left over by my previous WM 2003 se . My question is . . . Why was this not deleted and added to the storage memory when i upgraded to WM 2005 and can anyone please explain to me how to go about adding/merging it with my Storage .
Any help would be much appreciated , Thank You

I've got the same issue, after installing WM2005 1.60c I only have 14.54 MB of storage memory. Any chance of increasing this as my ActiveSync file sync seems to be greater than 14.54MB and ActiveSync is giving me errors that I have run out of space

Ram On WM 2005
"I've got the same issue, after installing WM2005 1.60c I only have 14.54 MB of storage memory. Any chance of increasing this as my ActiveSync file sync seems to be greater than 14.54MB and ActiveSync is giving me errors that I have run out of space"
Hello Hmerali , The problem was solved by using the Hima_DOC_Tool_1.0
It will increase the Storage partition to 31MB.
Many Thanks To Buzz & His M8s for this and the WM 2005 , Good Work !!
Cheers

thanks for that ... by the way does anyone get 'critical errors' when syncing with ActiveSync that says that sync has to start from scracth.
This casues my email sync settings to be reset.

Hello Again Hmerali .
I've been using ActiveSync Ver 4 and haven't had to many Problems .
There is a tool that will auto reboot the ActiveSync app instead of you having to reboot the computer over & over again incase of any error while syncing.
Regards Sean

Memory problem(WM6): Storage -vs- Program

I know this was a problem in WM5, but is there any way in WM6 to force it to use more memory for Programme's instead of Storage.
I have 20 MB for storage, but only <10 MB for memory.
The problem is that is get a lof of "out of memory" errors when I'm using iGO (SE) and therefore want more 'real' memory to work with (I do not use 20 for storage)
Anyone got a "tweak / software / trick" to do this?

Storage is flash, program is RAM. The two are totally different on WM5 and newer devices compares to WM2003se and older devices.
The Himalaya is not an example of tweaking the allocation as this was not a WM5 device.

AlanJC said:
Storage is flash, program is RAM. The two are totally different on WM5 and newer devices compares to WM2003se and older devices.
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Yes, I know that in wm2003 you could easely change the amount between these two. I noticed that everytime WM5/WM6 is started there was a different mount of flash/ram, so WM is changing this every time ?!?! (so you could manuputalte this?)
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The Himalaya is not an example of tweaking the allocation as this was not a WM5 device.
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What do you mean with that (I have a universal / T-mobile MDA pro)?!

The only WM5 device you can change the amount of RAM vs Storage is the Himalaya, this is because it was a WM2003 device and it used RAM for both storage, and RAM to run apps in.
WM5 devices don't use RAM to store things in, just the partitioned area of ROM.
You can not use ROM to run things, you only have the RAM, so if you are running out of space, your only option is to run less.

AlanJC said:
You can not use ROM to run things
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Unless, the universal had NOR based ROM, which could XIP

Storage vs. Program memory
Liquid said:
I know this was a problem in WM5, but is there any way in WM6 to force it to use more memory for Programme's instead of Storage.
I have 20 MB for storage, but only <10 MB for memory.
The problem is that is get a lof of "out of memory" errors when I'm using iGO (SE) and therefore want more 'real' memory to work with (I do not use 20 for storage)
Anyone got a "tweak / software / trick" to do this?
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Man! You would have read my mind! I was discussing the very same subject this morning with a friend of mine, but unfortunately he was unable to explain (he's a nokia freak), so I could save a new thread by sharing my views over here.
My query was if Uni has got 128ROM and 64RAM, Eten M700 has got 128ROM and 64RAM. Now, how does the respective reading be Program Total: 48.07 MB & Storage Total: 43.72 MB (cooked rom below)? Whereas M700 has got 128ROM and 64RAM, reading is Program 47.52 MB & Storage 70.24 MB!
If I drop a ringtone or copy an image or even an application, would it utilises storage or program? If I install a cab file, would it go to program or storage? I am facing a terrible issue when I use couple of applications even after closing them, I lose about 10 MB! I know some cooked ROMs had a program memory of 52 MB!
Any one could explain?
BTW, what's XIP?

Cyber-mate said:
If I drop a ringtone or copy an image or even an application, would it utilises storage or program?
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Storage. WM5+ uses 'storage' to store apps
Cyber-mate said:
If I install a cab file, would it go to program or storage?
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Again, storage(this includes other storage media like extended rom and storage card)
Cyber-mate said:
BTW, what's XIP?
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XIP=eXecute In Place. This is a common property of NOR based flash media. NAND based flash media cannot XIP. XIP lets the apps to execute in the ROM itself.
XIP is mostly used by Palm in their Treos to store the OS

kdskamal said:
Storage. WM5+ uses 'storage' to store apps
Again, storage(this includes other storage media like extended ROM and storage card)
XIP=execute In Place. This is a common property of NOR based flash media. NAND based flash media cannot XIP. XIP lets the apps to execute in the ROM itself.
XIP is mostly used by Palm in their Treos to store the OS
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Big thank you for the explain. Now, what about the difference in total memory reading among different PDAs?

Where memory goes to?

Hi everyone! Updated to Darkforce's ROM, but have same question for another ROMs.
As I know Universal comes with 64 Mb RAM and 128 Mb ROM. Well, fine. After installing WM6 by DarkForce "Memory" in "Settings" reports:
Storage Program
Total 43.50 Mb 48.88 Mb
In Use 10.13 Mb 27.87 Mb
Total 33.37 Mb 21.01 Mb
I allow that Windows hiding real size of RAM, but is it using 45 Mb real?
And what about storage? I guess that some ROM memory eats up ROM (that I updated), that's nearly 70-80 Mb. And something WM.
My guesses are right? If that so, how working devices with less memory (like 64/64)?
And what does mean Extended_ROM in "Storage card" option. What is it for and how to deal with this? Why on WM5 weren't that?
Sorry for n00b question.

Big Storage

hi all,
can we do BIG Storage Rom for Universal like we did in Magician? wouldn't it be awesome if we could squeeze more storage space out of JASJAR/Universal?

charlietruong said:
hi all,
can we do BIG Storage Rom for Universal like we did in Magician? wouldn't it be awesome if we could squeeze more storage space out of JASJAR/Universal?
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search for "unlock ext rom" or "unlock extended rom"

charlietruong said:
hi all,
can we do BIG Storage Rom for Universal like we did in Magician? wouldn't it be awesome if we could squeeze more storage space out of JASJAR/Universal?
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Big Storage manages WM2003 RAM "converting it" in internal storage.
There's no such thing for WM5 and therefore for universal.
To have that kind of app would be great, but is very unlike someone developes such app, because WM2003 and WM5 have completly diferent ways to manage memory...

Actually what they are talking about is the process in older wm2003/wm5 devices of re-partitioning the NAND/NOR so that the Extended ROM doesnt exist and it's space is used as storage
I think mamaich made this work on Universal but he never released anything

Big storage
Hi,
Sound cool, I'm interested!
Leo

Thanks. I tried the Unlock Ext ROM thing but all i got was an extra 9MB. In the Magician, I got a whoppy 26MB extra. I know they're 2 different units using 2 different OS's but should the Extra storage in the Universal be bigger since it's a more sophisticated unit? On my JASJAR under the Device Info. it says:
RAM size: 64MB
Flash size: 128MB
Storage size: 43.50MB
on my Magician/IMate Jam
Ram size: 64MB
Flash size: 64MB
Storage size: 26.72 MB
Shouldn't we get at least 43MB of extra storage on the Universal? Out of curiosity, can Universal run the WM2003? I really want to try to see if it does the same trick for the Magician. Any suggestions?

288 MB ram? but where to find it?

Hello guys
I already used the search and looked around on the internet using google and ecosia... but it didn't help me... everytime i am looking for the answer to my question: "HTC says that the touch pro has got 288 MB of ram but there are only displayed 193 MB and my free memory is about 65 MB (used 128MB)" i only find some roms that say that they have a lower pagepool... but that does not help me in finding a solution to my problem that i can't access the complete ram...
is there any workaround for this issue? a classmate found a rom for his touch hd2 which solved the same problem as mine but on his hd 2... now i ask you for a solution on the touch pro.. please help me ^^

i think you didnt think about the fact that the OS needs ram too ... but you can try ROMs without manila that spare ram; which ROM do you actually have?

I'm using the latest energy rom, its all fast and very smooth animations.. really great :]
but no i think you didn't understand me... the hardware ram is 288MB according to HTC. The memory manager shows me that there is in total only 193 MB available. 128 MB of these 193 MB are used... the rest is unsused memory... now what is about the rest of the 288 MB ?
the osram usage is included in the 128MB if you trust the task manager ^^
so what is my phones problem? are there maybe some limitations that can be solved with some registry changes? on windows vor PCs you can disable some parts of the ram that they are not used... can this be a possible problem on my phone? when I was using the O2 branded original rom there were 212 MB usable 80MB used and 132MB free... i really can't imagine why ._.

ok, i see, but what about the memory that is needed to store the files that will be used restore the files after you do a hardreset?
Do you know nue storage manager? Try it and look, how much drives you have installed in your memory... which you dont have in normal use

do you know the difference between ram and rom? operating systems are always installed on roms and the ram looses its data during a hard reset.

audiocore said:
the hardware ram is 288MB according to HTC. The memory manager shows me that there is in total only 193 MB available. 128 MB of these 193 MB are used... the rest is unsused memory... now what is about the rest of the 288 MB ?
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Yes, hardware RAM is 288 MB. In your case (with Energy ROM) 95 MB of RAM is used by the OS itself, so you have only 193 MB RAM available. You should know that the rest (in your case 193 MB) depends on the ROM cooker. Energy ROMs are known for not being RAM friendly, actually NRGZ28 stated once that he doesn't care for free RAM. That is the reason you have only 65 MB of free RAM. For example I'm using CRACING ROM and I have about 110 MB of free RAM after reboot, if Sense 2.1 is enabled. If I disable it, I have about 130 MB left. When I was using offical HTC ROM, I had more than 150 MB of RAM - that is with all today plugins (TF3D for example) turned off. Of course, if I disable HTC dialer (that has a video dialer and other options) and switch to ordinary WM dialer, I can free even more RAM. Pagepool is also very important - it is a special area of memory reserved for loading apps into from ROM. I think that the default pagepool is for Raphael 12 MB (that means 12 MB less RAM), but most of the cooks sets pagepool to 20 MB or more - that means 20+ MB of RAM used for faster loading of apps. That is why your phone is so fast with Energy ROM - it has a veeery large pagepool, but you have very little free RAM because of that.
So, to make things simpler, most of the RAM is used by the OS, GPU, TF3D/Sense/Titanium/SPB Mobile Shell/some other UI app, pagepool, dialer, other background services/processes etc. So you just have to decide what ROM to use - there are some ROMs (like yours current) that are very bad for RAM, but there are others with 120 MB+ or even 150+. You can also cook your own ROM and maybe gain 180 or more free RAM.

pilgrim011 said:
Yes, hardware RAM is 288 MB. In your case (with Energy ROM) 95 MB of RAM is used by the OS itself, so you have only 193 MB RAM available. You should know that the rest (in your case 193 MB) depends on the ROM cooker. Energy ROMs are known for not being RAM friendly, actually NRGZ28 stated once that he doesn't care for free RAM. That is the reason you have only 65 MB of free RAM. For example I'm using CRACING ROM and I have about 110 MB of free RAM after reboot, if Sense 2.1 is enabled. If I disable it, I have about 130 MB left. When I was using offical HTC ROM, I had more than 150 MB of RAM - that is with all today plugins (TF3D for example) turned off. Of course, if I disable HTC dialer (that has a video dialer and other options) and switch to ordinary WM dialer, I can free even more RAM. Pagepool is also very important - it is a special area of memory reserved for loading apps into from ROM. I think that the default pagepool is for Raphael 12 MB (that means 12 MB less RAM), but most of the cooks sets pagepool to 20 MB or more - that means 20+ MB of RAM used for faster loading of apps. That is why your phone is so fast with Energy ROM - it has a veeery large pagepool, but you have very little free RAM because of that.
So, to make things simpler, most of the RAM is used by the OS, GPU, TF3D/Sense/Titanium/SPB Mobile Shell/some other UI app, pagepool, dialer, other background services/processes etc. So you just have to decide what ROM to use - there are some ROMs (like yours current) that are very bad for RAM, but there are others with 120 MB+ or even 150+. You can also cook your own ROM and maybe gain 180 or more free RAM.
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Great comment! Don't forget that the Radio will also use up some memory and especially with the HD2 there seems to be a Radio (original t-mobile) which uses almost 12 MB less than others.
However, what is your problem? You are concerned about battery life (keeping all that RAM happy and addressed) or you have a specific application which wont run. I didn't check the latest NRG ROMs but he ran pagepools up to 26 MB. It's one of the first things I check with a tool called pagepool changer. I adjust mine to 16 meg which is/was supposed to be the sweet spot for the Raphael/TouchPro and never had any problems, speed or memory issues.

tyguy said:
However, what is your problem? You are concerned about battery life (keeping all that RAM happy and addressed) or you have a specific application which wont run.
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If the question is adressed to me, and not OP, I need at least 90-100 MB of free RAM because I heavily multitask. That is the main reason for being WinMo user. Besides, ROMs with low RAM are usually battery hungry.

pilgrim011 said:
If the question is adressed to me, and not OP, I need at least 90-100 MB of free RAM because I heavily multitask. That is the main reason for being WinMo user. Besides, ROMs with low RAM are usually battery hungry.
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My answer was addressed to both. I also multitask though mainly Word, Excel and chat and as long as I don't open iGO all is running well (and you don't multitask while driving anyway ).
Let me check how much free RAM I have. ROM is in my sig, modified the PP from 26 MB (NRG's default) to 18 MB, Manila 2.5 with added Program Tab and Max Manila 2.7SE fullscreen on top. As you see I run the xperia X2 task manager because I too like to know what's left in RAM.
The screenshot is after ~ 4 days after the last boot "active sync'd"

tyguy said:
I also multitask though mainly Word, Excel and chat and as long as I don't open iGO all is running well (and you don't multitask while driving anyway ).
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Well, I do multitask while driving. For example, iGo is running along with browser. When I need informations about traffic on main intersections (from the video cameras in my city), I open the link for that particular intersection via browser and then Streaming Media plays that clip. In the meantime iGo is running in the background of course. Lot of RAM is required for these tasks. And what if someone calls me - the dialer is also RAM hungry... Besides, often I use GPS whilst walking. This is just an example - like I said, I'm a heavy multitasker.

humm okaaay... but on my older eten glofiish x650 with only 64MB of ram I had about 24MB of free ram though windows mobile 6.5 (only tried it out ) so windows mobile can be 40MB small... and although it seems to run very well...
humm what do you mean with radio? the music radio or something like gsm radio module for windows mobile? (sry 4 my comprehension issues but i'm from germany ^^)

talking about the radio rom, which can be updated / changed like the OS and make it possible to get better phone reception or gps or ...

audiocore said:
humm okaaay... but on my older eten glofiish x650 with only 64MB of ram I had about 24MB of free ram though windows mobile 6.5 (only tried it out ) so windows mobile can be 40MB small... and although it seems to run very well...
humm what do you mean with radio? the music radio or something like gsm radio module for windows mobile? (sry 4 my comprehension issues but i'm from germany ^^)
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I really think that you should read XDA Wiki, as much as humanly possible, in order to understand basic things about WinMo. Cheers, mate.