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Hi Friends,
I'm a very very fool and inexperienced QTEK S200 user.
I have never tried ROM update upto now.
Can any one guide me to update my QTEK S200 from WM5.0 to WM6.0 step by step.
Assume that I just know how to read and push the buttons.
Let me introduce my QTEK S200 to you.
ROM version: 2.20.7.21.WWE
ROM date: 7/10/06
Radio Version:02.40.21
Protocol Version: 4.1.13.20
ExtROM Version:2.20.7.101
IPL:2.20.0001
SPL:2.20.0001
I haven't done any modifications on locks and etc.
I don't know if it is cid locked or not.
I know that it is not gsm locked.
Thank you for you patience and time wasted for me and the guys like me.
You can send "step-by-step" guide to my e-mail if you want.
[email protected]
wow I didn't know there was a 2.20 prophet ipl around^^
if you take the smart crossbow rom:
1. hardreset (camera and recorder button und reset)
2. when you are back in align screen, (the screen were you have to klick on crosses on the display ) you leave it there and connect it to the computer
3. in the upcoming active sync window you press cancel to stay in guestmode
4. extract all the files from the exe you downloaded it into a folder
5. run upgraderom.bat or similar
I was going to say "hey mine is "
but then i checked and it isn't
cr0ssy said:
wow I didn't know there was a 2.20 prophet ipl around^^
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Could you please locate the .exe to be downloaded.
And places to download upgraderom.bat or similar applications.
Be sure I know NOTHING about upgrading.
Please behave like,
you are on the phone with a 12 yearsold child.
And you are trying to teach that child to safely land on a airbus.
cr0ssy said:
wow I didn't know there was a 2.20 prophet ipl around^^
if you take the smart crossbow rom:
1. hardreset (camera and recorder button und reset)
2. when you are back in align screen, (the screen were you have to klick on crosses on the display ) you leave it there and connect it to the computer
3. in the upcoming active sync window you press cancel to stay in guestmode
4. extract all the files from the exe you downloaded it into a folder
5. run upgraderom.bat or similar
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dionysos77 said:
Be sure I know NOTHING about upgrading.
Please behave like,
you are on the phone with a 12 yearsold child.
And you are trying to teach that child to safely land on a airbus.
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I wouldn't try to teach this child to land an airbus.. especially if that child doesn't want to listen and learn.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Prophet_Upgrades
The link was great.
thank you.
Aaand it is time to chose a WM6.0 ROM ..
Any suggestions for the first trial.
Links for ROMs and related pathces (if required for charging or phone calls)
redandr said:
I wouldn't try to teach this child to land an airbus.. especially if that child doesn't want to listen and learn.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Prophet_Upgrades
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dionysos77 said:
The link was great.
thank you.
Aaand it is time to chose a WM6.0 ROM ..
Any suggestions for the first trial.
Links for ROMs and related pathces (if required for charging or phone calls)
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just go here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299069
And than it is getting confusing again.
The first link sent was very clear and easy to apply.
But the suggested link is 11 pages long threath with again so much problems etc.
What I try to do is to figure out comleted, step by step installation guide.
For example:
1-download xxxx.zip from www.xxxx.com
2-download yyyy.exe from www.yyyy.com
3-download zzz.cab , ttt.cab and kkk.cab
3-extract xxxx.zip to C:/xxxx you will have aaa.cab,bbb.dat and ccc.tmp
4-run yyyy.exe go file->open, select bbb.dat and open it.
5-.......
.....
....
Is there any body that can provide this information for newbies.
acer175 said:
just go here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299069
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Use the first page to get the rom . use the second link to fix the problems you have. I'm not sure why you have to run wm6 as a newbie? I think you better off stay on wm5 aku 3.x or 2.x its less bleeding edge, hence less bugs to worry about. I admit, once you start upgrade roms, you became hooked, you start try all kinds of roms, and at that point you wont be a newbie anymore. In case you will ask me where are the wm5 roms:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1166781&postcount=1
Enjoy
thanks this would be the best way I think.
kenxu said:
Use the first page to get the rom . use the second link to fix the problems you have. I'm not sure why you have to run wm6 as a newbie? I think you better off stay on wm5 aku 3.x or 2.x its less bleeding edge, hence less bugs to worry about. I admit, once you start upgrade roms, you became hooked, you start try all kinds of roms, and at that point you wont be a newbie anymore. In case you will ask me where are the wm5 roms:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1166781&postcount=1
Enjoy
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I would write you a guide from heart, no problem. But the point is that every ROM has it's own installation-procedure!
Some use the upgrade.bat, while others use the RUU (ROMUpdateUltility.exe).
Some need to be installed from bootloader, other one's need to be installed from within the OS itself.
That's why everybody who wants to flash ROM's on his device should know the basics of flashing.
And all the basics can be found in the wiki, mentioned here before.
After learning the basics, choose a ROM you want to use.
Then you should start reading every topic related to this ROM from 1st to last post, like we all did when
we wanted to flash our first ROM!!
When you've read everything, you'll know exactly what to expect and what to do..
I decided to do so.
Even I have read related threads and deciden to open this thread to prepare a installation guide think it wont work because of the reasons that you mentioned.
I'll follow smart1's ROM page and after I belive in there is no fatal error on the rom I'll flash it to my prophet.
The only information that I neeed will be should I cid unlock my device or not.
I think I'll be able to find this info also.
After all I'll prepare some guides for newbies for the ROMs that I used.
and add as new threads here and in my language for our forums.
lo0m said:
I would write you a guide from heart, no problem. But the point is that every ROM has it's own installation-procedure!
Some use the upgrade.bat, while others use the RUU (ROMUpdateUltility.exe).
Some need to be installed from bootloader, other one's need to be installed from within the OS itself.
That's why everybody who wants to flash ROM's on his device should know the basics of flashing.
And all the basics can be found in the wiki, mentioned here before.
After learning the basics, choose a ROM you want to use.
Then you should start reading every topic related to this ROM from 1st to last post, like we all did when
we wanted to flash our first ROM!!
When you've read everything, you'll know exactly what to expect and what to do..
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dionysos77 said:
I'll follow smart1's ROM page and after I belive in there is no fatal error on the rom I'll flash it to my prophet.
The only information that I neeed will be should I cid unlock my device or not.
I think I'll be able to find this info also.
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You don't have to CID-unlock your device to flash (Prophet-)ROM's. Not the one's released here on xda-developers anyway.
grtz
Should not be a problem by now posting the same post three times!
Hundreds of people have managed to flash their device. Experienced as well as newbies. It's a little anoying to look at the latest posts and fined some multiple times. Yours is not more important then any other one!
If you realy want to do something with your device that's far from standard you also have to be willing to feed yourself with tons of info. Sure everybody would like a DIY document in their mailbox. But who will be held resonsable when you do something you don't even have a clue off?
Further if you think the WiKi is not clear enough to real newbies, then contribute to this forum and place your info in the WiKi so you can help others, like we all try to do here
Any advice? I am new to this whole thing. Have done some overclocking and what not on my PC, but this is a whole different game.
What types of things can I do without risking really f'ing things up?
What I hope is the simplest things I was hoping to do was to make my TILT screen look like the HTC Touch.
I thought about downloading Dutty's tweaks, but I am thinking I might be out of my depth starting out.
I would like to learn some things, but don't want to annoy the veterans that are here. Any direction would be appreciated.
Thank you.
What you could do is read, all the post people have put to do exactly what your asking. All the info is there you just need to search and read or use the wiki.
Have fun
-McMex
Thank you.
Download and run HardSPL on your phone from:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
Then choose a dutty rom to install, since you are on a tilt try:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345385&highlight=dutty+tilt
This is all you have to do to have a fully functional htc looking rom with the touchflo cube with the newest drivers and radio for AT&T. I am using this one on mine right now. This rom has everything that you will probably need already installed. Anything else will just be for personal preferences. This rom has an advanced config program which is great but also download kaisertweak for some nice settings.
Thanks for keeping it simple for the newb. I read a couple of things about the "radio" portion being an issue. What does the "radio" tweak mean and will a HARD RESET fix problems if I decide to revert back?
decimusmaximus7 said:
Download and run HardSPL on your phone from:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
Then choose a dutty rom to install, since you are on a tilt try:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345385&highlight=dutty+tilt
This is all you have to do to have a fully functional htc looking rom with the touchflo cube with the newest drivers and radio for AT&T. I am using this one on mine right now. This rom has everything that you will probably need already installed. Anything else will just be for personal preferences. This rom has an advanced config program which is great but also download kaisertweak for some nice settings.
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The radio that comes with this rom will be the one you need. A hard reset only reinstalls the rom you currently have on the phone so to revert back you will have to choose another rom and install it. As long as the rom you install is an AT&T one or one made for the tilt then you won't have to do anything with the radio. If you change and use an HTC ship rom or one of dutty's other roms then you will have to download another radio and install it. Radios self install the same way as roms do.
This is the wiki:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser
On this page is the link to the ftp area where you could download the older radio if you decided to go to a non tilt rom.
Did you have any keyboard problems when doing the HARDSPL and installing the dutty rom. Also, which of the dutty roms did you install? Beta 2?
I am still on the Beta 1 and have been too lazy to changeover yet as Beta 1 is solid.
If you really want a good "How To" check out Mr. Van X:
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php...ask=view&id=65&Itemid=26&limit=1&limitstart=0
Every place he says "Hermes" you just think "Kaiser" or "Tilt". All the steps are the same. It is a great walk-through. He has you download the .net framework first. I know I didn't have it. Then he steps you through hardSPL and finally the ROM.
A few weeks ago I followed this exactly and have never had any troubles. Why a walk-through like this is not in the Wiki for the Kaiser/Tilt I have no idea. It'd be a lot more helpful to newbs (like myself) than the forum fav response, "Read Dammit".
Augster said:
It'd be a lot more helpful to newbs (like myself) than the forum fav response, "Read Dammit".
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Why don't you write an entry for the wiki? That's how the Wiki is updated and maintained, by contributions by everyone.
afavre said:
Any advice? I am new to this whole thing. Have done some overclocking and what not on my PC, but this is a whole different game.
What types of things can I do without risking really f'ing things up?
What I hope is the simplest things I was hoping to do was to make my TILT screen look like the HTC Touch.
I thought about downloading Dutty's tweaks, but I am thinking I might be out of my depth starting out.
I would like to learn some things, but don't want to annoy the veterans that are here. Any direction would be appreciated.
Thank you.
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I just used HardSPL and Dutty's Hybrid Rom No 5. I'm not sure what the difference is from his Tilt Beta version but I tried both and decided to go with the Hybrid. Point is, until last night I did not know what a Rom was. I read the forum and followed the directions. Here are links to what I used.
HardSPL (you need to do this first). Everything you need to know is in the first post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
Then find a ROM. I downloaded several including the stock ATT rom just in case I decided to go back. The steps for loading a ROM are almost the same as HardSPL, just follow the directions on the screen.
This is a link to Dutty's Tilt Beta ROM (all you need is the link to the ROM at the bottom of the first post). If you want to try Dutty's Hybrid ROM, scroll to the 3rd post made by username "alltheway" and click on the red Hybrid No 5 Rom link in his signature block.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345385
It is very simple to do.
Do I need to SIM Unlock?
I have been reading through the posts, and I can't find if I must SIM lock my phone before trying to install Dutty's ROM. On my 8125 the general concensus was unlock both. I don't have any need to run other radio's on my phone, and I won't be traveling out of the US.
Also I am currently running SPB Pocket Plus 4.01. Should I do a hard reset before trying to CID unlock and load of new rom?
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I have been reading through the posts, and I can't find if I must SIM lock my phone before trying to install Dutty's ROM. On my 8125 the general concensus was unlock both. I don't have any need to run other radio's on my phone, and I won't be traveling out of the US.
Also I am currently running SPB Pocket Plus 4.01. Should I do a hard reset before trying to CID unlock and load of new rom?
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No you do not
I've very new to all this, having used a non-PDA/smartphone (SE637) for many years before purchasing a Tilt. While quite PC-literate, I find myself very intimidated with all this. I read as much as my mind allows before requiring large quantities of diet-coke -- then I need a nap to calm myself down from the soda before reading any more, or my head explodes.
I think that I need a new ROM, but I'm not sure why! Everywhere I read, that's what I'm told.
This community is very knowledgable and seems very helpful. As this appears to be more for developers than users like me, I'm hesitant to ask my question for fear of offending a developer, which isn't my intent. I'm looking for information that might assist me in choosing which ROM to use.
I suppose that I want the phone to run faster, be easier to use/see (I don't see as well as I did 50 years ago... ), and have the latest of whatever is the best at the moment, spending as little as possible in the process. A truly never-ending story...
Before you start flashing decide what's important to you. Are you looking for a certian look & feel? Is fuctionality more important or do you want spped/stability?
Then research the different Roms, most include feature lists & screen shots in the first few posts of the thread.
So what it really comes down to is a lot of reading.
Oh and be sure to HardSPL your device BEFORE doing anything.
Also, like kyphur said read and do the hardSPL first but for me I found it's most helpful just to try some. Download a few, flash them give it a whirl and see what you like. Once you try a few you'll find options and programs you love and will start looking for roms that have what you need and more importantly what you don't like. And if you never find anything you love then start cooking. There are a lot of great wikis here to guide you step by step.
Hope this helps.
Start with Wiki first. Once you hardspl, load your first rom. You will find how easy it is and start to flash more roms like crazy. Experiment, and then you will find what you like. After flashing your first rom, you will realize how much better your new rom is compare to the stock rom.
just start off by choosing a few roms...then read about it as the chef would describe their rom...see which one fits u most...then make sure u read teh wiki and faq before u actually start ur flashing...to make sure nothing goes wrong...and then if that doesnt fit u..try another rom..but all the roms here...are better than stock for sure
I knew this wasn't going to be easy... Rating system anyone? I suppose I'm also nervous about doing a first flash. What about CID and SIM unlocking?
MarkAtHome said:
I knew this wasn't going to be easy... Rating system anyone? I suppose I'm also nervous about doing a first flash. What about CID and SIM unlocking?
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HardSPL removes the Carrier lock (CID) from your phone. As for SIM unlocking, I haven't bothered yet because I don't travel anywhere that AT&T doesn't provide service.
Once you've done your share of reading, if you are still confused about what type of ROM you are looking for, check out whatever the latest Dutty release is at that point in time. Dutty's Kaiser ROMs are probably the most popular on XDA.
I use a [somewhat] clean ROM myself, with the bare minimum preloaded. This way I can install what I need, and not worry about wasted space for programs I don't use.
eenie meenie minie moe
j/p
however, for Christ sake, please have hardspl installed.
Just pick one by reading the changelogs usually located in the first couple of posts.
P1Tater said:
eenie meenie minie moe
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Yours sounds best!
NotATreoFan said:
HardSPL removes the Carrier lock (CID) from your phone. As for SIM unlocking, I haven't bothered yet because I don't travel anywhere that AT&T doesn't provide service.
Once you've done your share of reading, if you are still confused about what type of ROM you are looking for, check out whatever the latest Dutty release is at that point in time. Dutty's Kaiser ROMs are probably the most popular on XDA.
I use a [somewhat] clean ROM myself, with the bare minimum preloaded. This way I can install what I need, and not worry about wasted space for programs I don't use.
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Is there a Tilt-specific version (currently with ATT's latest released ROM) of HardSPL that avoids all the headaches I'm reading about?
I'm still not sure how this works, but if I were to go Dutty's, should I look for UC - from what I'm gathering, I could then get a minimum ROM version, choose what I want added, then somehow update that bare ROM to include my choices, keeping all my settings in the process? A hard reset, if needed, would restore the new UC basic ROM along with what I added -- do I have this right?
MarkAtHome said:
Is there a Tilt-specific version (currently with ATT's latest released ROM) of HardSPL that avoids all the headaches I'm reading about?
I'm still not sure how this works, but if I were to go Dutty's, should I look for UC - from what I'm gathering, I could then get a minimum ROM version, choose what I want added, then somehow update that bare ROM to include my choices, keeping all my settings in the process? A hard reset, if needed, would restore the new UC basic ROM along with what I added -- do I have this right?
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The version of HardSPL required is determined by what version SPL that is on your phone. If you reboot your phone in bootloader mode, you will see a version number for SPL. As long as you follow the directions for that version, you will be fine.
NotATreoFan said:
The version of HardSPL required is determined by what version SPL that is on your phone. If you reboot your phone in bootloader mode, you will see a version number for SPL. As long as you follow the directions for that version, you will be fine.
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Thanks, NotATreoFan. I found info on what a bootloader is, and this is the info displayed:
KAIS1*0
SPL-1.93.0000
CPLD-8
What should my search criteria look like to find the HardSPL that I need to use?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061
and i think from your spl version you can pretty much guess which one you have to use
XtreMe_G said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061
and i think from your spl version you can pretty much guess which one you have to use
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Thanks for the help, XtreMe_G. Just so I have this straight, out of the 4 files listed, I only need to download and run JumpSPL1.93-KAIS.zip and I'm done? The Tilt is now prepared to accept any appropriate ROM?
MarkAtHome said:
Thanks for the help, XtreMe_G. Just so I have this straight, out of the 4 files listed, I only need to download and run JumpSPL1.93-KAIS.zip and I'm done? The Tilt is now prepared to accept any appropriate ROM?
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You need JumpSPL to get started, and then you need HardSPL to flash. 2 zip files total. Memorize the steps prior to starting, and do NOT skip any of them for any reason...
man...I thought I gave you advice yesterday on what to do. Literally, thousands of people have hardspl their roms just fine. Even a couple blonde girls in this forum have done it. It is not that hard and you shouldn't have too much trouble. Just follow the instructions and you will be just fine. After your first flash, you will move couple levels up in knowledge.
NotATreoFan said:
You need JumpSPL to get started, and then you need HardSPL to flash. 2 zip files total. Memorize the steps prior to starting, and do NOT skip any of them for any reason...
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Will do ask you suggest. Just a thought... by doing this, will anything on my phone be affected (programs, settings, etc.)? I'm, obviously nervous about all this, and while I will follow your instructions with hardSPL, I'm not yet ready to flash a ROM.
thomassster said:
man...I thought I gave you advice yesterday on what to do. Literally, thousands of people have hardspl their roms just fine. Even a couple blonde girls in this forum have done it. It is not that hard and you shouldn't have too much trouble. Just follow the instructions and you will be just fine. After your first flash, you will move couple levels up in knowledge.
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Your information was very valuable. I just needed a little more detail to help calm my nerves...
Hi everyone, I have recently bought a htc touch pro from polish orange provider. I have browsed dozens of topic, trying to make my windows mobile 6.1 life more satisfying, but I have few questions to ask.
1. What does Hard-Spl do ? And can I hard-spl my phone ?
2. To install advanced config, do I have to jailbreak my windows, or do anything to install it ? I don't want to end up with useless phone
3. When I try to upgrade my default opera browser to the newest build, the instlaler cannot uninstall previous version of opera, neither can I because it is not listed in add/remove programs menu. And, if I ignore the warning, I get an error in installling the newest build, but somehow I have 2 opera mobiles listed in programs menu.
Thanks in advance, r4ster.
r4ster said:
Hi everyone, I have recently bought a htc touch pro from polish orange provider. I have browsed dozens of topic, trying to make my windows mobile 6.1 life more satisfying, but I have few questions to ask.
1. What does Hard-Spl do ? And can I hard-spl my phone ?
2. To install advanced config, do I have to jailbreak my windows, or do anything to install it ? I don't want to end up with useless phone
3. When I try to upgrade my default opera browser to the newest build, the instlaler cannot uninstall previous version of opera, neither can I because it is not listed in add/remove programs menu. And, if I ignore the warning, I get an error in installling the newest build, but somehow I have 2 opera mobiles listed in programs menu.
Thanks in advance, r4ster.
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I probably can't answer your questions like a pro, but I had a few experience that I can share with you.
1. I don't know what Hard-SPL do, but I guess it's like jailbreak for Windows Mobile device. If you want to flash to a new custom Rom, you need to Hard-SPL it first (don't need to do this if you flash back to the original ROM). And yes, Hard-SPL your device
2. Jailbreak is only a term to unlock your iphone... With a Win Device, you don't need to unlock anything to be able to download and install other software. This is the beautiful part of a Window mobile.
3. Definitively can't help you here... but I know that plenty of thread has been posted for this matter... just do a quick search. However, I strongly suggest (with no responsibility) you to "Hard-SPL" and "CID unlock" your device and flash it to a new ROM. It will make your phone faster and much cleaner. Also, you'll get your new Opera install.
The question now is, which ROM
I suggest NATF's v2.3, but he'll be releasing a v3 today or so. Don't flash to it right away... just flash to v2.3 first and see if v3 is stable or not by reading people posts.
Flashing is not as hard as people claim... just read and be very carefully before you do it. Don't skip any step. The first time is stressful, but after that it's just a daily burger.
pandaboyy said:
I probably can't answer your questions like a pro, but I had a few experience that I can share with you.
1. I don't know what Hard-SPL do, but I guess it's like jailbreak for Windows Mobile device. If you want to flash to a new custom Rom, you need to Hard-SPL it first (don't need to do this if you flash back to the original ROM). And yes, Hard-SPL your device
2. Jailbreak is only a term to unlock your iphone... With a Win Device, you don't need to unlock anything to be able to download and install other software. This is the beautiful part of a Window mobile.
3. Definitively can't help you here... but I know that plenty of thread has been posted for this matter... just do a quick search. However, I strongly suggest (with no responsibility) you to "Hard-SPL" and "CID unlock" your device and flash it to a new ROM. It will make your phone faster and much cleaner. Also, you'll get your new Opera install.
The question now is, which ROM
I suggest NATF's v2.3, but he'll be releasing a v3 today or so. Don't flash to it right away... just flash to v2.3 first and see if v3 is stable or not by reading people posts.
Flashing is not as hard as people claim... just read and be very carefully before you do it. Don't skip any step. The first time is stressful, but after that it's just a daily burger.
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So, I can flash any rom I want, and still have a fully working phone, after hard spl ?
r4ster said:
So, I can flash any rom I want, and still have a fully working phone, after hard spl ?
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you have to hard-spl first before Flashing any Rom. Please read those sticky carefully. I do not take any responsibility of what you're doing.
This is what I did (it works for me without any problem)
0- I backup everything I need with PPCPimbackup and outlook
1- I HARD-SPL my device
2- I CID unlock my device
3- Flash to NATF's v2.3 ROM, hard-reset my device
4- Flash new Radio (this step is optional... and to find the best one, you have to test one by one.)
5- Restore my backup
6- Re-install extra software that I need.
Like I mention earlier, these steps work for me, and there are big chance that it will work for you as well... but I do not take any responsibility. Before you Flash to any ROM, HARD-SPL your device. and after flashing your ROM, HARD-RESET it.
pandaboyy said:
you have to hard-spl first before Flashing any Rom. Please read those sticky carefully. I do not take any responsibility of what you're doing.
This is what I did (it works for me without any problem)
0- I backup everything I need with PPCPimbackup and outlook
1- I HARD-SPL my device
2- I CID unlock my device
3- Flash to NATF's v2.3 ROM, hard-reset my device
4- Flash new Radio (this step is optional... and to find the best one, you have to test one by one.)
5- Restore my backup
6- Re-install extra software that I need.
Like I mention earlier, these steps work for me, and there are big chance that it will work for you as well... but I do not take any responsibility. Before you Flash to any ROM, HARD-SPL your device. and after flashing your ROM, HARD-RESET it.
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Ok, what if the hard spl goes wrong, is there a way to unbrick the phone ?
And thanks for all the help !
r4ster said:
Ok, what if the hard spl goes wrong, is there a way to unbrick the phone ?
And thanks for all the help !
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Well, first I hope that it doesn't go wrong. And second, I'm pretty sure you can stand the temptation of flashing to a new ROM, so you'll probably going to do it very soon. But Third, So far I haven't seen any thread that someone can unbrick their Touch Pro after a bad flash (he/she didn't Hard-spl before flashing, that's why)... However, there is a way to do it with the Kaiser... so don't lose hope there.
Just READ everything carefully, you have a 99.5% successful rate if you do. I would say that the 0.5% is just your bad luck (example Computer stop working during the flash... but that's just pure bad luck and you can't blame anyone but God)
Recently, during testing TCP experience a symptom that also confirms my past experience. The most recent one I had was one of the network I connect to (I have 3 SIMs) having issue. This issue is gone after I did an OEM flash & hard reset before flashing again custom ROM.
I'm trying to understand better, thus starting this thread for all seniors and chef to educate us 'flashers' and 'noobs'
Firstly, it was said that Kaiser has different structure that actually flashing OEM before custom ROM is not needed. On Hermes, it's needed.
Question What is the primary differences that requires this?
Secondly, based on TCP's post, it seems that there're some leftover behaviour from previous ROM and hard reset does not take it 100% away. From forensic computing, we know that some data is not totally overwritten and can be recovered using special tool.
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Our phone does not use the special data recover tool for sure, but why that behaviour occurs?
When it occurred (in TCP's case), was the setting correct but the behaviour went against the setting, or the setting was incorrect due to the leftover and the behaviour conforming the incorrect setting. Which one?
Flashing OEM: there're so many version of OEM, each has it's own 'flavor'.
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What is so different from going direct from custom ROM (which is not bloated, and should perform better) to another custom than going OEM first. And if OEM is flashed, how many times it actually being needed (flashes, hard reset) to ensure its 'clean'?
What is the criteria of 'clean'?
If I bought my Kaiser in Asia, should I go with AT&T stock OEM or it's better to use HK WWE?
Should we go through whole route (SPL, Radio, OS) or just the OS?
I hope by raising this, we can understand our phone better and have a safer flashing experience
anagarika said:
Recently, during testing TCP experience a symptom that also confirms my past experience. The most recent one I had was one of the network I connect to (I have 3 SIMs) having issue. This issue is gone after I did an OEM flash & hard reset before flashing again custom ROM.
I'm trying to understand better, thus starting this thread for all seniors and chef to educate us 'flashers' and 'noobs'
Firstly, it was said that Kaiser has different structure that actually flashing OEM before custom ROM is not needed. On Hermes, it's needed.
Question What is the primary differences that requires this?
Secondly, based on TCP's post, it seems that there're some leftover behaviour from previous ROM and hard reset does not take it 100% away. From forensic computing, we know that some data is not totally overwritten and can be recovered using special tool.
Question
Our phone does not use the special data recover tool for sure, but why that behaviour occurs?
When it occurred (in TCP's case), was the setting correct but the behaviour went against the setting, or the setting was incorrect due to the leftover and the behaviour conforming the incorrect setting. Which one?
Flashing OEM: there're so many version of OEM, each has it's own 'flavor'.
Question
What is so different from going direct from custom ROM (which is not bloated, and should perform better) to another custom than going OEM first. And if OEM is flashed, how many times it actually being needed (flashes, hard reset) to ensure its 'clean'?
What is the criteria of 'clean'?
If I bought my Kaiser in Asia, should I go with AT&T stock OEM or it's better to use HK WWE?
Should we go through whole route (SPL, Radio, OS) or just the OS?
I hope by raising this, we can understand our phone better and have a safer flashing experience
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i don't have answers for all your questions, but i know for myself since i have a tilt, i flash the stock att rom before i flash a cooked rom, and the stock rom i've been flashing is the full .exe that has spl and radio with it. i feel that the rom your phone comes with should be your rom to flash before flashing a cooked rom and thats why i flash the att rom and not the htc rom on my tilt. Seems like i have alot less troubles when doing this. heres what i do with my tilt:
1.)flash stock att 6.1 rom
2.)tap screen when prompted
3.)hard reset
4.)tap screen/then do the screen alignment
5.)let the customization process do its thing
6.)after it's done and reboots i do another hard reset
7.)flash custom(cooked) rom
8.)tap screen when prompted
9.)do hard reset
10.)tap screen/then do the screen alignment, and i proceed from there with installing my aps and all.
this has always seemed to yield great results for me
msd24200,
That's what I do nowadays, after several times having issue and more convinced after reading TPC's experience.
However, the technicality (how the chipset is being written, what's the 'ghost effect' is being handled by hard reset) etc. intrigues me and perhaps by understanding this, a lot of newbies will 'listen' (as I didn't ) until more flashing started showing funny symptoms
Flashing the stock ROM using the Ship.exe will use the Stock RUU instead of the custom one, so this will also Hard Reset your phone as part of the Flash.
I can't see any reason why a stock ROM would help, where a Hard Reset would not.
Ta
Dave
DaveShaw said:
Flashing the stock ROM using the Ship.exe will use the Stock RUU instead of the custom one, so this will also Hard Reset your phone as part of the Flash.
I can't see any reason why a stock ROM would help, where a Hard Reset would not.
Ta
Dave
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Dave,
Your response basically answers my last question in another way. To 'stretch' the argument further, how many cycle of hard reset it's required to make the phone 'clean' and load the latest ROM properly?
(Actually, what happen to the phone, the internal drive and the XIP chip by doing hard reset .. ?)
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Dave,
Your response basically answers my last question in another way. To 'stretch' the argument further, how many cycle of hard reset it's required to make the phone 'clean' and load the latest ROM properly?
(Actually, what happen to the phone, the internal drive and the XIP chip by doing hard reset .. ?)
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Just one AFAIK. As I said, the CustomRUU's we use, don't do a Hard Reset (so your phone isn't wiped when flashing Radio's / SPL's / Splashes). So you have to perform one manually, this should clear any remaining data?
Did I post this link for you to look at before? There's a bit of discussion with stepw on this.
Dave
This is what I learned/understand, the Hermes has an extended rom. This ex. rom gets written to as you use your phone. Flashing a new rom does not over write this ex. rom because not all custom roms come with a written extended rom. So information from the previous rom is left on this extended rom. The only way to clean the extended rom is to flash the OEM rom first, and then the custom rom. Thereby cleaning the extended rom and allowing phone to write new info to the extended rom.
So on the Hermes, if the custom rom comes with an extended rom, there is no need to flash OEM first. If it doesn't, then you need to flash OEM first to avoid freezes and Spontaneous HR's.
The Kaiser does not have an extended rom so there is no discernible reason to flash OEM first. I never do (except on that rare occasion where I am flashing from a new chef and he insists, in his instructions. ) I have flashed over a hundred times, and can count on one hand how many times I have flashed OEM first.
Interesting. I have the HTC RUU, I think I'll start using that to flash ROMs, and use the Custom for radios and SPLs. I'm curious if that will make a difference in needing to flash a stock ROM...
personally, I've never had an issue with just flashing a ROM (no hard resets or stock rom or anything). If I find a ROM I like, I just download it and flash, that's it.
mbarvian said:
personally, I've never had an issue with just flashing a ROM (no hard resets or stock rom or anything). If I find a ROM I like, I just download it and flash, that's it.
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I have had to do hard resets for other various problems but none were due to a "bad" flash. I find a rom i want to play with and flash it
Flashing stock before TPC's Elite helps me out a lot. Prior to that, I never bothered with hard resets, and never really had an issue.
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Did I post this link for you to look at before? There's a bit of discussion with stepw on this.
Dave
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Dave, no, you didn't .. but thanks that you do .. especially this post is very enlightening. That's exactly what I'm looking for, the understanding of how the hardware being written/overwritten, that should answer the need of flashing OEM or not before custom and if hard reset is required.
Thanks for all that has responded ..
I flash at least 10 times a day, and have never flashed OEM ROM or did a HR after flash!
I never did the OEM thing before either, until I flashed TPCs ROM and had very strange issues. Hard reset (few times!) didn't clear it up either, only after I went back to OEM ROM (ATT for me) and then flashed TPC did all my weirdness clear up.
Perhaps it hasn't been needed before, but maybe going to 6.5 has some special conditions? Or something about the way TPC built his ROM?
Or maybe it's the fact that flashing the OEM includes the Radio so there's some extra stuff being overwritten that doesn't with a custom ROM.
Or perhaps it was just the phase of the moon combined with the low sunspot activity.
curwiler said:
I never did the OEM thing before either, until I flashed TPCs ROM and had very strange issues. Hard reset (few times!) didn't clear it up either, only after I went back to OEM ROM (ATT for me) and then flashed TPC did all my weirdness clear up.
Perhaps it hasn't been needed before, but maybe going to 6.5 has some special conditions? Or something about the way TPC built his ROM?
Or maybe it's the fact that flashing the OEM includes the Radio so there's some extra stuff being overwritten that doesn't with a custom ROM.
Or perhaps it was just the phase of the moon combined with the low sunspot activity.
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I'm going to try his next ROM with the HTC RUU, to see if that makes a difference at all. I think that this will all get worked out in time. I don't really want to flash stock first, mainly because I'm too impatient to start playing with a new ROM lol. I will if necessary though, only takes a few extra minutes.
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Dave, no, you didn't .. but thanks that you do .. especially this post is very enlightening. That's exactly what I'm looking for, the understanding of how the hardware being written/overwritten, that should answer the need of flashing OEM or not before custom and if hard reset is required.
Thanks for all that has responded ..
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Anagarika, you started one of the best threads I've seen since being a member. You started with very logical and good questions which are worthwhile to pursue. Your timing is perfect for me as I was trying to think of an approach that would be fruitful. I would encourage you continue to be logical and methodical to get to the answers. Real answers!
If you haven't already considered it, let me mention that it was implied that the flashing tools have limitations... no disrespect to the author is intended in my comment, but while everything he says may be true, the fact is the same tool is used to flash OEM and stock ROMs. So perhaps it was just an FYI for us all or I just didn't get the point.
This is a REAL issue. Before starting up on this board again, I used the previous kit and did my own ROMs and used other ROMs, with my tilt and blah blah. Sorry, not 10 times a day though... yikes dude! This week, when I started up again trying to revive my tilt, it hit me right away with OEM ROMs. So, I downloaded 6 OEM ROMs and the stock ROM. Because of the mood and the mode I was in, I was only looking for success and not experimentation and thus I don't have exact data. But, I can tell you that once I used the stock ROM a couple of previously "problem OEM ROMs" are working.
For me this important information should be used to find out why and how it can be improved..... That is of course if the developers want to continue to develop.
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...the fact is the same tool is used to flash OEM and stock ROMs. So perhaps it was just an FYI for us all or I just didn't get the point...
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Yet Dave said:
Dave said:
Just one AFAIK. As I said, the CustomRUU's we use, don't do a Hard Reset (so your phone isn't wiped when flashing Radio's / SPL's / Splashes).
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I take that to mean that the tool isn't exactly the same. There is a difference.
Now, the real question, for me (since I don't understand these things) is this:
Is there any difference, large or small, in a hard reset on the phone and the (I think) task 28 command issued by the OEM RUU? Dave? Anyone?
SoberGuy said:
Yet Dave said:
I take that to mean that the tool isn't exactly the same. There is a difference.
Now, the real question, for me (since I don't understand these things) is this:
Is there any difference, large or small, in a hard reset on the phone and the (I think) task 28 command issued by the OEM RUU? Dave? Anyone?
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No.
Ta
Dave
SoberGuy said:
I'm going to try his next ROM with the HTC RUU, to see if that makes a difference at all. I think that this will all get worked out in time. I don't really want to flash stock first, mainly because I'm too impatient to start playing with a new ROM lol. I will if necessary though, only takes a few extra minutes.
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I theory it shouldnt make a difference. I rarely use RUU as I know I have fried a MB cuz of that (I am sure I had something to do with it as well)! And had an expensive brick!
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For me this important information should be used to find out why and how it can be improved..... That is of course if the developers want to continue to develop.
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Exactly my point. I didn't want to dilute TPC's thread as he's doing a wonderful job and his thread should be about his ROM
To put it another way is that:
Do we know what exactly being done on our device memory (XIP, NAND, etc.) during a ROM flash, during a Radio flash, during a HR, etc.
By knowing what's happening, we know better what approach to take. For example, most cooked ROM is sized 50-80 Mb (newer ones). Those OEM's are usually about 100Mb. I guess by flashing OEM, it overwrites a lot of the space left behind by previous ROM. However, in my view, flashing custom that has smaller size will have some parts of OEM left over (using space only as comparison). This might be useful if all chef's do the cooking based on OEM and bugs hunting also based on OEM first. This will give almost a 'standard' benchmark against which all other bugs are troubleshot.
I suggest (to myself too) to re-read the thread Dave pointed, especially the post I remarked. I've not yet understood fully what it really means, so I'll do a re-read.
As a side note, I came from UIQ/Symbian before .. and it was discussed they used NAND while WM uses XIP .. (which I don't quite fully grasp also) .. and there's such thing as format internal drive and flashing OS too.