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iphone finger menu scrolling

Basically I wasn't overly impressed when I saw the iphone in terms of what it did, because it doesn't do anything my WM5 doesn't. the only thing I was impressed at was the interface, the total touch screen etc(altho it is missing a qwerty key board which I couldn't live with out). One part of the touch screen interface that I was the most impressed with was the finger dragging, scrolling! But this can be done on WM5 devices because I've already downloaded Sygic's .mobile which allows you to do it through your contacts.
So Basically I'm sure that one of the many clever programmers on here could write a little program that allows you to use finger scrolling where ever a scroll bar is needed? I.e. file emplorer, music menu(windows media player), text message list, photos, etc.
Or if someone knows where I could get such a program from?
Thanks

this would be sweet because we windows fans wouldn't have to convert to the darkside.
just like the early dayds of apple.....microsoft swoops in and reinvents the game. but only thing it aint microsoft doing this.
why buy a new phone when u can take the guts of it and dump it into your own
good job on the programers you guys rock.

Check this video out, the guy has done just that!
http://techdigest.tv/2007/02/watch_the_iphon.html

I've seen that video already, but thanks. it was that and the program .mobile that made me hope that someone on here would be able to do it for the rest of the windows mobile platform! if I was talented enough I'd do it myself but this is way beyond me. i just think it would be a great to be able to navigate menus and list and make life a lot easier.

Can we download it from somewhere?

Download What?

that GUI seen on that video.

the best program to make it look like that is wisbar desktop but it costs! has for the menu scrolling i haven't got a clue thats why i was hoping someone may be able to write a program on here for it

baspooner said:
the best program to make it look like that is wisbar desktop but it costs! has for the menu scrolling i haven't got a clue thats why i was hoping someone may be able to write a program on here for it
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Agree, i used the wisbar advance, but the scrolling gui was amazing!
I am wondering how he did it?

it was, but i don't know how he did it! i know you can down load a program called .mobile and that allows you to scroll through your contact like that, so it clearly can be done! so someone must be able to do it for the rest of the phone?!??!

What is it that can or can't be done guys?
Picsel Browser uses momentum based full screen drag scrolling, amongst other apps. It's not a difficult thing to do. The implementation in the video is particularly nice (if not particularly useful IMHO), but it's not some kind of mystical voodoo. It's just programming.
V

vijay,
I don't think you would be capable of doing this, no way....
(ps: please, please rise to the challenge!)
On a serious note the Universal lacks a scroll wheel which I have always had on my previous PDAs. To be able to have a generic touchscreen based scrolling mechanism would be very useful (ie not just for tracks and contacts, but for everything).

Can anyone post a link to the download of this?

slider lock feature.....
Guys,
According to his website, before it was suspended...
He says he was using
PPL1.20. PPL which can be downloaded for free from http://arianesoft.ca
I downoaded this but have no idea on how to use it to get the same results?
Anyone interested in getting the slider lock portion of that video working?

tommyd75 said:
Guys,
According to his website, before it was suspended...
He says he was using
PPL1.20. PPL which can be downloaded for free from http://arianesoft.ca
I downoaded this but have no idea on how to use it to get the same results?
Anyone interested in getting the slider lock portion of that video working?
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As explained by Vijay this is just programming. If you dont have programming skills, just forget it. If you do then the technical part is not that difficult. The whole point is more about doinga nice design
Anyway let's hope he will make is work public (The scrolling bar is one thing, but the whole setup is actually nice...)

If anyone has this (doubt the guy gave it out before he got shut down) but in case he did... i would like to get my hands on this...

the point of me starting this thread was to see if anyone on here knew where I could get a program that would allow me to scroll all the menus and lists in my WM5 by dragging my finger across the screen, if there wasn't already a program out there then I wondered if someone could write a program for it? as my skills in this area are nowhere near good enough! I think a program like this with look great but more importantly be really useful, as I use my finger to navigate through most of my phone.
if this is just programing, please can someone with the skills do it????
Thanks

the m600-iphone clon demovideo is no longer available at youtube....
the apple tentacles are very lengths...

INTERESTINGLY.. this guy is a Malaysian (Chinese). . and I would have thought such geeky move ought to be from the States.

well i have a spare wizard to try this on if some one can direct me on what software to use. i have some spare time lol

does this exist

hello all,
does the polaris have tactile feedback or is there a third party app which will provide this?
I have searched and searched but could find any trace.
cheers
Marc

What do you mean by "tactile feedback"? Reporting problems to M$? If so, you can enable this.

if you mean a gyroscope orintation detector like iphone then no i dont believe so

Nope not the function that would rotate screen depending on how i was holding the device.
what i mean is a function or third party app that would feedback when entering text on the screen, niether by making a noise or better still a short virbatration. similar to the LG VIEWTY or the new symbian touch platform that they are developing?
cheers

norf1983 said:
Nope not the function that would rotate screen depending on how i was holding the device.
what i mean is a function or third party app that would feedback when entering text on the screen, niether by making a noise or better still a short virbatration. similar to the LG VIEWTY or the new symbian touch platform that they are developing?
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No, there is no tactile or haptic feedback on touch cruise.
(Like the one you get with xbox controllers ... ...... not in touch cruise though.)
Still, it is the BEST. VIEWTY or symbians ar nowhere close to what TC is.

norf1983 said:
Nope not the function that would rotate screen depending on how i was holding the device.
what i mean is a function or third party app that would feedback when entering text on the screen, niether by making a noise or better still a short virbatration. similar to the LG VIEWTY or the new symbian touch platform that they are developing?
cheers
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That's a good question. I wonder if something like this exists also. Maybe we can find something to cook into the ROM....let's all look around.

there is a post here that has a lot of good addons for touch cruise, just got mine + i havnt found the thread yet, looking now
found it, here ya go!!! its number 6 in the list of tweaks http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355277

sweet you are a star!!!
Thats it my mind is set on getting the O2 XDA ORBIT 2.
At long last i have found the PDA/PHONE that i want. Now i just have to wait untill Mid Feb to get it. BOOOHOOO.
Marc

ltxda said:
That's a good question. I wonder if something like this exists also. Maybe we can find something to cook into the ROM....let's all look around.
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There is a very old application on this forum from the xda days called "vibrate" which only vibrated when you dial numbers in the phone application. Perhaps the smart people of this forum can extend that functionality to all screen taps, or specific input formats.

HTC Touch Pro Issues (updated 23.11)

Hello,
I am a HTC Tornado user and I had in plan to buy TP.. but because of the TP's bugs I'll wait a while.. I really don't understand why HTC don't do more tests before release it?! Many of their issues are corrected by xda-dev community.
I want to gather all the issues in one topic, one post. This post will be edited as new issues/bugs are found. This will be useful for potential buyers - they should know that TP is not perfect. Ok, I will bypass the lack of the softkeys and the camera dedicated button. (you may ask, what's the sense to have softkeys if you can touch the buttons with your finger/stylus... but I will ask you back: what you will do if the application is in fullscreen mode? )
I know there's a topic for Raphel issues but It's hard to follow all the pages.. so here it's an summary. As I said, I want to update the list as more known issues are found. You can contribute with issues so I can update the post (post the way I posted so it will be easy to me to copy /paste..).
We should send this list to htc, maybe they will try to fix these bugs (many of them are software related)
The post will be slitted into two parts. Active problems and solved one.
This is not a complete list
I. CONSTRUCTION ISSUES
D-PAD design: Unresponsive buttons: every now and then the "right" button of the D-Pad does nothing, then suddenly it will start working again, same with the "Back" button though much more infrequent/noticable than the D-Pad issue I've experienced. HINT! -> HERE, or video here
Touch Pro wobbly keyboard issue
II. GENERAL MAJOR ISSUES
Poor GPS (chipset or software implementation?): ~50m+ lag, overheating gps, loose signal
Landscape redraw issue. Videos and more info HERE
poor directdraw, framebuffer/video performance. Just to make an idea: an old device from 2005 with omap 850 200mhz CPU performs better in this area than the touch pro @ qualcomm 528mhz. what a shame. The test were done in this topic (in romanian, sorry). CorePlayer was used for benchmark. I will summarize.
- HTC Tornado overclocked (262Mhz) max performance: 174.22%
- Touch Pro max performance: 172,67%
Both in Raw framebuffer mode. When used QTV it gains only 162,64%. How come?
It's pitty, 262Mhz from OMAP performs better than 528!!!Mhz from Qualcomm?!
The video used for tests is this one. (320x240 @ 25FPS)
Bugs with key mappings (on qwerty keyboard). This means you cannot use the qwerty for playing your favorite emulated & ported games (eg: DOS emulator, Picodrive, SNES, Doom 1, etc etc). WORK-AROUND: here
There's a damn 'break' (for <=1/2sec) at a (random) interval while listeing to music! This issue is also present in Diamond. More info HERE
low speaker/buzzer volume (lower than previous htc phones) WORK-AROUND: here
III. GENERAL MINOR ISSUES
Touch Flo 3D has slowdowns times
FM radio reception is not the best
Camera bug. More details here. Quote: "Camera application is buggy! Slow zoom, touch and focus works only after a dumb picture, after some focuses the auto focus stops to work. I tested it with 3 phones." (nickba)
TouchFlo3D calendar issue
IV. ISOLATED ISSUES (eg: doesn't happen to all, may be software or hardware related, not sure)
Random shutdowns during night or unresponsive device after overnight / long charge
Microphone has delay when answering calls (this seems to be network dependent - orange users seems to have this problem)
Some users claims that TP has bad reception
Broken Screen Issue
Device is hanging with horizontal grey stripes over the screen
V. HARDWARE ISSUES (eg: device/mainboard must be replaced)
Sometimes, when answering a call the phone "mute" itself. So, you wouldn't hear the caller voice. You have to soft reset the device.
Tips
It takes a while to find satellites position (take a fix). One solution is to use the Quick GPS app, but you need an active data connection.
Task Manager / TF3D terminates every running application. (Tip by vicott):
-- Use Advanced Configuration Tool
-- change "File system cache" la 8MB.
-- change "file system filter cache" la 131072.
-- change "Glyph cache" la 32KB.
-- Try to change HKCU > Software > HTC > Task Manager > EnableAutoKill = 0
You may check also "Raphael Tweaks" topic.
Other tweaking tools: Advanced Config Tool, Diamond Config.
Data was collected from different forums / threads. Big thanks to all the contributors.
Finally, too bad that dreams aren't true. TP does not deserve it's price. Don't get me wrong.. it has some really nice features but those bugs takes the device donw!
I really miss the old HTC..
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ISOLATED/DO NOT COUNT:
[*]LED under the "send" key does not work anymore

No offense, but if your going to jump the gun and be an early adopter with a brand new model in the tech realm, you need to expect some growing pains.
Also, most of those problems seem to be independent, and not all showing up on the same device, or many in general for that matter.
I applaud your effort in bringing all these issues to light with HTC, but you should take a more professional approach, because if you throw in a bunch of whining about price etc, your only going to hurt your cause.
Just my .02 cents.

I must agree the handset is over priced. Equal pda only devices are less than a third the price.
And with all the bugs its actually a real shame tbh.
I've already chose not to pay for the full cost of the phone ill get a contract with o2 when it comes out there [supposedly next month.]
And ill just deal with the bugs as they come....
Oh if this helps anyone The over night charge and then unresponsive bug. I dont think this is down to this phone alone. I had the exact same problem with my dell pda under winmob 6 [football]. Im guessing its a windows related bug.

Concerning the active point number 6 (Sometimes, when answering a call the phone "mute" itself), it is true it is quite annoying, but in the whole forum we are just 4 persons to have this problem, which is an acceptable margin.
Let's see how HTC deals with it. If they manage to repair it for good or change the device I'll be very happy and HTC will have proven they are more responsible than apple (with the Iphone 3G that has a lot of problems of reception under the 3G network)...

Theutus said:
but you should take a more professional approach,
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Theutus you are right. I am just upset because the problems of the latest devices from htc (pre-htc diamond&pro: video lag, etc).
You know the sensation... you want something so much and in final you found out that is not as you expected.. Anyway, post re-edited.
Thanks
@NutsyUK i leave my WM phone many times on charging over night and no problem. (though it's Standard version of WM)
@Flippy_TK that may be a random thing. Other persons maybe just happens not to occur that bug.. as it is random (again). Or your TC may be from a faulty series?

DSF said:
Theutus you are right. I am just upset because the problems of the latest devices from htc (pre-htc diamond&pro: video lag, etc).
You know the sensation... you want something so much and in final you found out that is not as you expected.. Anyway, post re-edited.
Thanks
@NutsyUK i leave my WM phone many times on charging over night and no problem. (though it's Standard version of WM)
@Flippy_TK that may be a random thing. Other persons maybe just happens not to occur that bug.. as it is random (again). Or your TC may be from a faulty series?
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I understand your frustration 100%, and I hope my post didn't come off as insulting in any way. I only meant that if your going to present a case to HTC for these issues, it should be in more of a "professional" layout.
If you need to blow off some steam on the forums, then by all means let her rip. I do think a majority of these issues will be resolved once the phone is released wordlwide, and more people can get their hands on them. After all, thats what xda does best.

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Yah! Add to that the contacts cannot be saved to the SIM card

@Theutus that's ok. The problem is WHY the community has to resolve their problems and not HTC?! Why we don't have a fully functional device right from the box?!
@FOSA thanks. I wait at least one more confirmation to be sure it's touch pro related and not one device related (due some personal actions or 3rd-party software).
I've visited the diamond section from this forum. I've seen many topics with issues.
WE MUST TAKE ACTION if htc does not care... What to do? Don't know.. spread the "bad news" world worldwide, start a petition listing all the problems.. etc.
It's really a shame, a time has passed since they've released Diamond and Touch Pro and htc does not care about the issues (history repeat, see http://www.htcclassaction.org ). They are busy releasing new devices (and I bet that those will be buggy too )

DSF said:
@Theutus that's ok. The problem is WHY the community has to resolve their problems and not HTC?! Why we don't have a fully functional device right from the box?!
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I must be honest. This is my third HTC phone (after an S200 and a P3600) and it's the first time I can run a plain HTC stock ROM with almost no problems. I have had the phone for four weeks now and I am happy with it.
I agree that HTC can be very frustrating with their attitude of basically never fixing problems but in my opinion the out-of-the-box quality of the TouchPro is better than with their previous phones.

I'm with you. I've been happy with the out of the box rom and so far don't have any desire to change - well till we figure out if we can/can't get 3G on it.

So far week 2 out of the box is fine.
Minor issues have been fixed include
Screen lock when phone rings. This is a bad design by HTC
I seem to have an issue with MMS sending but I think thats my provider not sending the config codes correctly. The settings are there but if I try to send a message I get cant dial error. Lucky I don't send MMS that often. I am going to wait for my provider to support the phone before I make a big deal out of it

Great thread!!
I'll add my issues (plenty of them!!) when I have the time.
Thanks

One thing I probably expect is every ppc phone arrive with a bunch of problems, but most normal users do not encounter them at all.
A friend of mine had used the touch pro for the last two weeks, with the basic htc rom, no customisations at all, no tweaks and she's perfectly happy with it. She goes oh and ah at every little thing. She uses it to check her email, surf websites, log onto messenger and that's all. Before that, she was using a diamond and she felt it was a great phone.
People like us will feel the "lag" when we use touch flo. Normal users like her will not even care about it. They just wait for a while. If it does not work, reset the phone. As long as it can call, sms and do what they want reasonably, it does not really bother them.
For ppc geeks like us, we will just find fault and improved it. Remember threaded sms, it was wanted so badly last time, and now that it is in, people wants to go back to the normal sms.

desperation52 said:
Remember threaded sms, it was wanted so badly last time, and now that it is in, people wants to go back to the normal sms.
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True... one man's enhancement is another man's bug.
I've been using the TP for a month now. I'd say the hardware is great (except the front keypad, which is a little tacky). WM6.1 is also great (as mobile phone operating systems go). The HTC add-on software is buggy, but most of it is for funking-up the UI, and I can live without it. I'm sure it will get fixed. I have TF3D switched off, and it's pretty stable now.
I can easily "I wish it had X, like my Prophet", but then I still have the Prophet and I'm not going back to it. Or "I wish it did X, like my Nokia", but then my Nokia reboots consistently in the MP3 player and, if I switch time-zones to Central Europe and back, some birthdays in the calendar end up on the wrong day!
Any product like the TP is rushed out, as a commercial necessity. Think of how much money Sony Ericsson have lost from late delivery of the X1, as would-be X1 buyers (like me) have bought TPs instead. And I suspect that anyone expecting distinctly better quality from SE will be disappointed.
The TP isn't perfect, and it is not (yet) as good as it should be. But it is pretty good, even compared to devices from other manufacturers (Nokia, Sony Ericsson, etc.).
If you're waiting for a more solid device, I suggest you don't wait for another rushed device; wait for a better TP. Or, get a TP now, disable TF3D, and add some freeware to add the functionality you want - that's the beauty of WM. You'll probably still have a better device than you have now.
Cheers,
Graham.

graham.hughes said:
If you're waiting for a more solid device, I suggest you don't wait for another rushed device; wait for a better TP. Or, get a TP now, disable TF3D, and add some freeware to add the functionality you want - that's the beauty of WM. You'll probably still have a better device than you have now.
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It's not just the touchflo 3d... Really! Read the first post and take a deep look on the Raphael forum. You'll find many topics with TP issues and lots of frustrates.
GPS issues (lag, signal loss, overheat), music issues (tss™ htc effect), wrong keymap, low volume, etc etc!
I really want htc to take action and resolve the issues.
@illi thanks

I've got the thing, I know the issues. I also know how big a deal they are (which is bigger to some people than others), and how many of the issues can be worked around. I listen to MP3s, I use the GPS, I send and read email, and once in a while I even make a phone call! And I do all these things without trouble.
No argument from me... the bugs need fixing. But this device, I promise you, is not unusually buggy. It does have an unusually large number of features, and that will mean more bugs in total.
People are writing their hates on this forum; no one writes about what they like, love, or about niggles they can live with. If prospective buyers are reading this, I think it might be useful to have some balance.

i missed the OK bottun on the Keyboard !
why they put it out !???

My problems:
- of Right D pad not working sometime
- Time to get a fix 10x time to get a fix with my diamond
- No ringtone or vibrate when receive a private call

I Want This Feature Back
You could delete all mail (read/unread) with a single key in the Tornado. Whereas there is none in the TP; YOU HAVE TO DELETE ONE BY ONE... Imagine having 100s of emails that you want to delete. HOW MANY KEY STROKES to accomplish that?? I now have 100s of read emails that I want to delete. IMAGINE!!!

1. NEVER once were links from emails were successfully opened in Opera.
2. Is MSXML2 parser installed on TP? If not where to get it?

Anyone working on a GC dialer...

As a GrandCentral user I've watched the Ifone,Crackberry,and WM5-6 get a direct dialpad link to GrandCentral. Hopefully someone can create one for Android? Supbro has it for WM but its in "C" maybe we can get him to create One in Java?
speaking of dialers would love to get a feedback option when dialing; like when you move a app from menu to a screen, you get that little vibration oh does DTMF work I tried to login into something the other day and kept pressing the button and was not getting a response?:

Harry Tuttle said:
As a GrandCentral user I've watched the Ifone,Crackberry,and WM5-6 get a direct dialpad link to GrandCentral. Hopefully someone can create one for Android? Supbro has it for WM but its in "C" maybe we can get him to create One in Java?
speaking of dialers would love to get a feedback option when dialing; like when you move a app from menu to a screen, you get that little vibration oh does DTMF work I tried to login into something the other day and kept pressing the button and was not getting a response?:
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It was sort of on my list, but the tethering stuff jumped ahead of it and i've got countless other non-android projects on the go just now.
I was expecting stellar grand central integration out of the box - google really dropped the ball there

Harry Tuttle said:
As a GrandCentral user I've watched the Ifone,Crackberry,and WM5-6 get a direct dialpad link to GrandCentral. Hopefully someone can create one for Android? Supbro has it for WM but its in "C" maybe we can get him to create One in Java?
speaking of dialers would love to get a feedback option when dialing; like when you move a app from menu to a screen, you get that little vibration oh does DTMF work I tried to login into something the other day and kept pressing the button and was not getting a response?:
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It doesn't seem like Google is really going anywhere with GrandCentral ever since they took over the company. But I would love to see an application for GC on android too!

[Q] Delete Key

Hi, I have a T-mobile 810 (very similar to the 820) and was wondering if the 820 has a "Delete" key on the keyboard? Here is something I posted at T-mobile's forum and haven't received an answer yet:
Hi, one of the things that really bugged me about my Lumina 710 was the keyboard didn't have a "Delete" key or arrow buttons to go forward or backward. You had to try to get the cursor right where you needed it and use the backspace button and that was really frustrating at times. It looks like they didn't do anything new for the 810's keyboard and I just can't understand why they didn't. I had a Samsung Galaxy Note II for a 14 day trial and it was tremendous, but the Voice dialing over bluetooth was a deal breaker and I returned it. I hope that this lack of a delete key doesn't make me return the 810 because I have since found out that the voice dialing over bluetooth can be corrected in the Note II. Does anyone know if the keyboard can be modified or corrected on the 810? Thanks.

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Hi, I have a T-mobile 810 (very similar to the 820) and was wondering if the 820 has a "Delete" key on the keyboard? Here is something I posted at T-mobile's forum and haven't received an answer yet:
Hi, one of the things that really bugged me about my Lumina 710 was the keyboard didn't have a "Delete" key or arrow buttons to go forward or backward. You had to try to get the cursor right where you needed it and use the backspace button and that was really frustrating at times. It looks like they didn't do anything new for the 810's keyboard and I just can't understand why they didn't. I had a Samsung Galaxy Note II for a 14 day trial and it was tremendous, but the Voice dialing over bluetooth was a deal breaker and I returned it. I hope that this lack of a delete key doesn't make me return the 810 because I have since found out that the voice dialing over bluetooth can be corrected in the Note II. Does anyone know if the keyboard can be modified or corrected on the 810? Thanks.
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Good suggestion, but you need to give your feedback to Microsoft. This really has nothing to do with Nokia or T-mobile. This is a design choice in the Windows Phone OS to only provide the backspace key based on available screen space constraints. Not having DEL or the inverted "T" cursor keys seriously annoys about 2% of users (some of whom are regulars on this forum) but most folks just don't care.
Since only 2% of users care, there isn't enough return on investment to add a truly customizable keyboard to the platform that would allow, for example, swapping out the emoticon key for a backspace key. Get 10,000 signatures with an Internet petition thingy and then maybe somebody will pay attention.

danchar4 said:
Good suggestion, but you need to give your feedback to Microsoft. This really has nothing to do with Nokia or T-mobile. This is a design choice in the Windows Phone OS to only provide the backspace key based on available screen space constraints. Not having DEL or the inverted "T" cursor keys seriously annoys about 2% of users (some of whom are regulars on this forum) but most folks just don't care.
Since only 2% of users care, there isn't enough return on investment to add a truly customizable keyboard to the platform that would allow, for example, swapping out the emoticon key for a backspace key. Get 10,000 signatures with an Internet petition thingy and then maybe somebody will pay attention.
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Thanks danchard4, that's a shame that more people are not upset about this. You don't know how much time I have spent trying to get that stinking cursor exactly where I wanted it and then backspace to delete mistyped words. Oh well, I'll just have to live with it I guess. Thanks again for answering.