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Palm OS upgrade to Windows OS for Treo 650?

I have Treo 650 that running Palm OS now. I would like to upgrade it to Windows Mobile OS. Does any1 know where can I get the ROM for it? How to flash ROM and upgrade it?Let me know. Thank you! Have a great day.
Just a thought:
Can I use the Treo 700w ROM or any Treo that running Windows Mobile ROM...then flash ROM for my Treo 650. Do you think it will work? If so, can any1 upload your Treo 700W ROM for me, please? Or tell me where can I that ROM? Thankssss! Have a great day.
Kent

I don't think that is possible, the screen is a 320x320 resolution and WM5 only supports 240x240 or 640x640.

Totally 100% NOT possible and will never be possible.

jacinf said:
Totally 100% NOT possible and will never be possible.
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Can you elaborate. I see where the screen resolution could be a major issue. Is that it or are there other issues?

WM5 only supports 240x240 or 640x640
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Actually it supports...
240x240, 480x480, 240x320, 320x240, 640x480 & 480x640
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/02/14/531972.aspx

doedoe said:
Actually it supports...
240x240, 480x480, 240x320, 320x240, 640x480 & 480x640
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/02/14/531972.aspx
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Yeah I knew that. I sort of screwed up my post and ment to say that WM supported 240x240 and 480x480 for square screens. Thanks for the correction.

Mashie said:
I don't think that is possible, the screen is a 320x320 resolution and WM5 only supports 240x240 or 640x640.
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Guys, you should realize that Windows CE should work on any resolution you throw at it provided it has drivers for the hardware. The OS really could care less what MS "supports". Just because MS says that the Windows Mobile 5.0 for Pocket PC platform doesn't "support" 320x320 means nothing. I think MS means "support" mainly from a marketing perspective. They feel that 320x320 would be too hard to see on such a small screen for the average user and thus do not "support" it for OEMs that use their standard platforms like Windows Mobile for Pocket PC. (Or more accurately, certify devices that would use such resolutions as designed for Windows Mobile or even allow an OEM to sell it with the platform.) How much do you want to bet some devs at HTC have a WinCE OS on the 320x320 models internally? I'd guess the chances are pretty high.
The truth is that the Pocket PC platform (or any other Windows CE OS/Platform) will work just fine on 320x320 or even 1024x1280. The limitations you guys speak of are purely marketing derived and the OS really will not care. Just see for yourself by running the newer ARM Windows CE device emulator from MS that ships with VS2005, etc. It will certainly let you boot the Pocket PC OS at 320x320 and it looks just fine. There is also, of course, NYDITOT Virtual Display which will also give you an idea of how the OS will look on various resolutions. ( http://www.nyditot.com )
Is the hardware between the PalmOS and Windows CE models even all that different? (700p vs 700w) Provided the only REAL hardware difference is the size of the LCD panel/touchscreen I really CAN see this possibly working if we can somehow reflash the device with a WinCE version of the ROM. It may not even NEED new drivers if the LCD controler is the same and the driver has some way of detecting the resolution of the LCD panel attached. Is the bootloader any different? Has anyone ever tried this before? I think this would be very interesting and a Windows CE OS on the Palm OS hardware would be far nicer than that icky Palm OS in my opinion. You can just run the Styletap Palm OS simulator if you love the crappy Palm OS so much.
I'm awaiting your thoughts on this. Please die Palm OS. Windows CE pwnz j00!

Nope, it won't ever happen.

Nope. How do you expect the driver to fully re-write a ROM to show different colors on each pixel? Please remember, to a ROM, a display is not much more than a collection of colors in the right positions. It'll have to recalculate the colors for each pixel.

Universal + WM6 supports HSDPA?

Hi all,
Is it possible for Universal to support HSDPA by upgrading to WM6?
I thought Universal can support HSDPA just like Hermes... My Universal was delivered just 2 weeks ago, and I'm migrating my data from Hermes to Universal just now. After setting up everything, I found this problem...
Any suggestion for this situation?? (I love big screen and useful keyboard that the reason why I changed from Hermes to Universal.)

yasunari said:
Hi all,
Is it possible for Universal to support HSDPA by upgrading to WM6?
I thought Universal can support HSDPA just like Hermes... My Universal was delivered just 2 weeks ago, and I'm migrating my data from Hermes to Universal just now. After setting up everything, I found this problem...
Any suggestion for this situation?? (I love big screen and useful keyboard that the reason why I changed from Hermes to Universal.)
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No, it won't support it ever.

I'm afraid different hardware is required for HSPDA.
Sorry.
Psi

And I'm planning switching to Hermes!
You won't ever have HSDPA with this machine.

The question though is whether you really need HSDPA or now. Apart from using your PPC as a modem you should be on the safe side for most browsing / downloading senarios. The QVGA resolution of the Hermes makes the device a whole lot less usable for many things like web browsing, PDF / Office files (Excel at 320*240 = not fun!) and ebooks. That said the Hermes ain't half bad either of course - I just don't get HTCs policy to not include a VGA screen in such a high end (/ priced) device. Guess it will remain their secret forever...

Falk said:
The question though is whether you really need HSDPA or now. Apart from using your PPC as a modem you should be on the safe side for most browsing / downloading senarios. The QVGA resolution of the Hermes makes the device a whole lot less usable for many things like web browsing, PDF / Office files (Excel at 320*240 = not fun!) and ebooks. That said the Hermes ain't half bad either of course - I just don't get HTCs policy to not include a VGA screen in such a high end (/ priced) device. Guess it will remain their secret forever...
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well there would be no sense in putting a VGA display on (guessing; may be wrong) 2,8" display of Hermes.

Thanks all. I'll return to use Hermes then.
By the way, what is the option for people who need mobile phone with qwerty Keyboard, VGA screen, VM6 and HSDPA??
Another mobile? or Modify universal?!

None at the moment.
Btw, the upside of a QVGA device is the smaller size. And QVGA devices are very much usable with web browsing using Opera Mini.. Not to mention that you won't need a stylus for most QVGA devices now.
But if you do excel sheets a lot. Stick to VGA.

yasunari said:
Thanks all. I'll return to use Hermes then.
By the way, what is the option for people who need mobile phone with qwerty Keyboard, VGA screen, VM6 and HSDPA??
Another mobile? or Modify universal?!
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Maybe this will do:
http://www.glofiish.com/index3.htm?no=m800

Hmmm..... Pity about the RAM. I cannot think why someone would build a new davice with only 64 Meg.

kartam said:
well there would be no sense in putting a VGA display on (guessing; may be wrong) 2,8" display of Hermes.
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Some devices have 840x480 at that screen size. Granted though that it's a bit overkill ;-)

list of vga device
actually device whith vga screen and other high spec aren't legion but in few month :
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdalist&list=vga
E-TEN Glofiish V900
I-Mate Ultimate 9502
Gigabyte g-Smart i350

End of an Era

Unfortunately my friends, this is the end of an era
Most of our legendary developers (JWright, Midget, Leo, Beasty, Helmi) now have different devices, or looking at a new one anyway.
Hopefully our other developers and cookers can continue their work, but it is unlikely that we will see new ROMs and completely new builds of WM6 as we have seen in the past.
I would ask you that you always read the wiki first, and that you don't clog the threads asking developers to release new versions

funny ,,,, it means that i last developer who may do complete new build for uni

mo3ulla said:
funny ,,,, it means that i last developer who may do complete new build for uni
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I stand corrected
Nevertheless, we're running out of developers for the Universal...
Just got to wait for the Omni

TehPenguin said:
wait for the Omni
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omni is not replacement
+external screen
+-more 3g standarts ( for som countries + but for most part of world useless)
-+128 mb ram by default /// good .. but uni also may have it
-unstandart screen ... pixel doubling tecnology will not work ... it cause troubles in software compability with screen dependable apps
-processor mch slower than in old uni
-screen rotation mechanizm have more details ... his durability will much lower neither universal construction
-fullsize sd unsupported.. you may sat bye bye to 16 gb cards

mo3ulla said:
omni is not replacement
+external screen
+-more 3g standarts ( for som countries + but for most part of world useless)
-+128 mb ram by default /// good .. but uni also may have it
-unstandart screen ... pixel doubling tecnology will not work ... it cause troubles in software compability with screen dependable apps
-processor mch slower than in old uni
-screen rotation mechanizm have more details ... his durability will much lower neither universal construction
-fullsize sd unsupported.. you may sat bye bye to 16 gb cards
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Un-standard Screen:
There are a couple of other devices with this (so Microsoft must have a solution). But your right, there are a lot of poorly written applications out there.
Processor:
Although the clock speed is slower, it has a better version of the ARM commands (ARM V6 instead of the Uni's ARM V5TE). Also, it has a dedicated graphics processor (instead of the Uni's shared CPU\GPU)
Screen Rotation:
Haven't actually heard anything about the screen rotation (do you have a link?). But yes, if its more complex then its more likely to fail
SD Card:
Unfortunately I do have to agree with you on this. Micro-SD is available upto 12Gb (http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/07/sandisk-crams-12gb-onto-a-microsdhc-card/) it is *a lot* more expensive than standard SD
So, if the Omni is not a good replacement, and the Universal is growing old - (I can't believe I'm about to ask this question, I love my Uni!) what can we switch to??

I really hope Mo3ulla & Ranju will come up something good and stable and hopefully final (bugs free, welll almost...) ...

TehPenguin said:
Unfortunately my friends, this is the end of an era
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It is a sad day for all of us.

TehPenguin said:
Processor:
Although the clock speed is slower, it has a better version of the ARM commands (ARM V6 instead of the Uni's ARM V5TE). Also, it has a dedicated graphics processor (instead of the Uni's shared CPU\GPU)
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hihi .. in thispart not so easy as you think.. without software what will support this new features ... this features will be only on paper
1. windows mobile work based on v4 commands ....
2. you need program which will support this .. BUT PROGRAM WILL BE UNCOMPATIBLE WITH OLD PROCESSORS..... will software developer write such program ? if they may write in v4 which supports all processors ?
BTW.... uni not ARM V5.... UNI ARM V4
3 dedicated graphics processor - usless due limited front of work .... for what purposes you will use this graphic ?
games ?
hdtv films? (films bigger than 2gb)
external video out ?
for others purpuses shared xscale graphics more that enogh

mo3ulla said:
hihi .. in thispart not so easy as you think.. without software what will support this new features ... this features will be only on paper
1. windows mobile work based on v4 commands ....
2. you need program which will support this .. BUT PROGRAM WILL BE UNCOMPATIBLE WITH OLD PROCESSORS..... will software developer write such program ? if they may write in v4 which supports all processors ?
BTW.... uni not ARM V5.... UNI ARM V4
3 dedicated graphics processor - usless due limited front of work .... for what purposes you will use this graphic ?
games ?
hdtv films? (films bigger than 2gb)
external video out ?
for others purpuses shared xscale graphics more that enogh
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You are absolutely right, we are really not benifited from the v5...v6 ARM commands. Eventually I'm sure that the shared xscale graphics is more than enough (unless you're using your uni as a playstation).

Hi guys,
Just to let you know I'm still around with the Uni.
I have bought a Kaiser for the wife, and will be spending a bit of time over in the Kaiser forum, but have not given up on Rom Dev for the Uni, and have not found anything yet that makes me want to retire my Uni.
It will however be quite a while before I get round to a new Rom release.
Don't forget we still have Mamaich around too, as long as we have the "god" the Uni will continue to improve and expand on it's capabilities, features and functionality.
Cheers,
Beasty

Ditto Beasty - I'm not jumping ship anytime soon.
The only weakness I can see with the Uni is the 64mb ram, and that can always be fixed.

beast0898 said:
Hi guys,
Just to let you know I'm still around with the Uni.
I have bought a Kaiser for the wife, and will be spending a bit of time over in the Kaiser forum, but have not given up on Rom Dev for the Uni, and have not found anything yet that makes me want to retire my Uni.
It will however be quite a while before I get round to a new Rom release.
Don't forget we still have Mamaich around too, as long as we have the "god" the Uni will continue to improve and expand on it's capabilities, features and functionality.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Your words were a beam of light through the clouds. In fact, uni is the best PDA till now any one could obtain it. I have had uni since its firts release at the end of 2005, but due to an accident i converted to many other PDAs, wizard, profit and Tytn. In a lucky day i found a person who repaired my Uni, I was too happy to return back to Uni enjoying all what i have lost with other PDAs, the big and high resolution screen, the full keyboard with dedicated 0-9 numbers keys, a tab and big buttons. with the angeled screen i can use the keyboard to dial numbers easly (in wm6 of course) i seldom use the touch screen now to dial, beleive me i have the sensation the I got freed again after a long time of constriction with other PDAs.
But unfortnately there is some cons with uni without them i"ll never think to convert away from uni for more couples of years:
- The problems in radio:
1- the hanging that may occur when dialling, where the screen is stuck on dialing but not actually dialing and u cannot end call. You can go away from phone and use PDA but u must soft reset to use phone again.
2- this occured only once with me, where many persons called me but the phone didn'r ring nor notify the call by any means, every thing is ok with the PDA, i can use it normally but the GSM module is not working at all.
3- The uni may hang with incoming calls, it will hang with the incoming call screen popup without notifyin me, and i discover it when come to use Uni.
- The deficient vedio call in wm6 (it is not so important, i don't use it for routine calls)
- The incompetability of VGA screen with many new enhancements from HTC for devices starting from touch series (HTC album, touchflo technology, HTC home,.....). But this is not so important also, as there is other sotware that colud compensate such as Spb pocket plus 4+.
I don't know much about Omni, but from ur opinions about it, i think it is not a huge jump from Uni, and there is no need to convert to it from lovely Uni.
Regards

beast0898 said:
Hi guys,
........
Don't forget we still have Mamaich around too, as long as we have the "god" the Uni will continue to improve and expand on it's capabilities, features and functionality.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Well said Beasty! Thanks for uplifting 'downed' spirits!
Not only Mamaich, we also have The Darkforces Team just in case people had forgotten that most of the new ROM builds floating around came from them, remember the leaked ROM a few months back?
I think our Uni has some juice left even for WM6.1 & the latest enhancements available for her younger VGA sister Athena! The 128Mb RAM hack by Mamaich will prove it's worth in the long run.
As always, a new Uni era will arrive to replace the last one!

I still have a uni, soon to have 128mb of RAM and curently running WM 6.1.1
however my main device is now a nike so my roms/posts wil be less frequent

Midget_1990 said:
I still have a uni, soon to have 128mb of RAM and curently running WM 6.1.1
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WOW!! An Universal with 6.1.1 and 128Mb...

beast0898 said:
Hi guys,
Just to let you know I'm still around with the Uni.
I have bought a Kaiser for the wife, and will be spending a bit of time over in the Kaiser forum, but have not given up on Rom Dev for the Uni, and have not found anything yet that makes me want to retire my Uni.
It will however be quite a while before I get round to a new Rom release.
Don't forget we still have Mamaich around too, as long as we have the "god" the Uni will continue to improve and expand on it's capabilities, features and functionality.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Guess I was being a bit gloomy because I haven't updated my ROM in a few months, and I heard a few of the developers were getting new devices.
So, I'm downloading ranju's new ROM, and I'll see how that goes...
- The incompetability of VGA screen with many new enhancements from HTC for devices starting from touch series (HTC album, touchflo technology, HTC home,.....). But this is not so important also, as there is other sotware that colud compensate such as Spb pocket plus 4+.
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Thats a good point.
If a lot of HTC's software doesn't work well with VGA devices, why would HTC release a WVGA device?? Guess that kinda makes the Omni look *very* doubtful...

Midget_1990 said:
running WM 6.1.1
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how many trial period remain ????? ( who in theme will understand what i mean)

Midget_1990 said:
I still have a uni, soon to have 128mb of RAM and curently running WM 6.1.1
however my main device is now a nike so my roms/posts wil be less frequent
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Forgive me if I unintentionally overlooked you Sir as one of the ROM builders!
There it goes fellow Uni owners, our own mod itself has WM6.1.1 ROM confirmed running in Uni. I'm curious when it's going to be made "public"

My girlfriend's the one using my Uni now, and believe it or not, she's using a WM5 ROM... you know why? Because we need video call.
Ever since last year, I've been very active here in the Universal thread, always hoping for a WM6 for Uni that fully supports video call... alas.. that day never came. Although there have been other improvements for the Uni.. but none of them really concerns me. I've already had a TyTN and now a Nike.. looks like my girlfriends Uni is going to get replaced with a Nike too (since this device is just too damn sexy ). The only thing I missed would be the VGA screen (although the great features of Opera Mini, full TouchFlo support, and almost complete apps compatibility for QVGA made me miss the VGA a lot less since VGA always gives me problems with app compatibility).
We have to face it. The Universal is still being used and modded until today (much like the PlayStation2), but it's era has already ended.

DaVince said:
My girlfriend's the one using my Uni now, and believe it or not, she's using a WM5 ROM... you know why? Because we need video call.
Ever since last year, I've been very active here in the Universal thread, always hoping for a WM6 for Uni that fully supports video call... alas.. that day never came. Although there have been other improvements for the Uni.. but none of them really concerns me. I've already had a TyTN and now a Nike.. looks like my girlfriends Uni is going to get replaced with a Nike too (since this device is just too damn sexy ). The only thing I missed would be the VGA screen (although the great features of Opera Mini, full TouchFlo support, and almost complete apps compatibility for QVGA made me miss the VGA a lot less since VGA always gives me problems with app compatibility).
We have to face it. The Universal is still being used and modded until today (much like the PlayStation2), but it's era has already ended.
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Hey Davince,
Long time since we've seen you around my friend......
I have to disagree with you my friend, as far as Business productivity tool, nothing on the market has come close to the Universal......... it is the only device with a decent sized screen for writing emails and working with documents and no other device has a keyboard as comprehensive or useable as the Uni's.
The Universal era has not ended, with the introduction of Mamaich's great patch to support 128 mb memory and SDHC cards, you will find it impossible to find another PDA on the market that matches for speed, functionality and storage capacity. The Kaiser and other devices that use mini SD's can only support 16GB cards........the Uni beats that too.
The Uni has been reborn, and is far from dead my friend!!
Cheers,
Beasty

E TEN Glofiish M 800

Quick question: Is the Eten Glofiish M 800 a HTC rebrand or totally thier own.

MercuryTyTN said:
Quick question: Is the Eten Glofiish M 800 a HTC rebrand or totally thier own.
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Their own; see http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=878
However, I'd wait for the V900 instead if you definitely want to go for E-TEN See http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1080

Menneisyys said:
Their own; see http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=878
However, I'd wait for the V900 instead if you definitely want to go for E-TEN See http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1080
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Thanks for the quick reply. I'll pass on the V 900, I need my slide out keyboard. May wait if they announce a sliding keyboard version of the 900.

They are completely different. O2 sometimes uses HTC for manufacturing devices but Eten is not like that. And the hardest part is, there are no much Eten users here in xda and so don't expect any custom ROMs.
PS: But as far as Ive experienced with Eten, unlike HTC, they themselves provide a heavily customized ROM which will definitely be faster than HTC! And call recording works clearly on both ends!
Regards,
Carty..

Forgot to mention that providing VGA resolution in qVGA size is Eten and no HTC has it!
Regards,
Carty..

Does Eten provide drivers optimized for hardware video acceleration? Seeing the limitations of recent HTC phones, and having in mind a VGA resolution requires 4x the processing power of QVGA, I would say that's a must.
And, do they offer ROM updates too? HTC gave free updates from WM 5 to WM 6 for many of their phones.

Carty said:
They are completely different. O2 sometimes uses HTC for manufacturing devices but Eten is not like that. And the hardest part is, there are no much Eten users here in xda and so don't expect any custom ROMs.
PS: But as far as Ive experienced with Eten, unlike HTC, they themselves provide a heavily customized ROM which will definitely be faster than HTC! And call recording works clearly on both ends!
Regards,
Carty..
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Yeah well if HTC keeps treating its customers like crap maybe there will be support for Eten in here(crappy phones, crappy customer support, bad or wroong drivers)

M810
MercuryTyTN said:
Thanks for the quick reply. I'll pass on the V 900, I need my slide out keyboard. May wait if they announce a sliding keyboard version of the 900.
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if you really need a keyboard you might wanna wait for the Eten M810, the sucessor to the M800, it looks really good with good specs, from personnal experience, the devices are good quality and the roms have plenty of OEM customazation from Eten.

Carty said:
PS: But as far as Ive experienced with Eten, unlike HTC, they themselves provide a heavily customized ROM which will definitely be faster than HTC! And call recording works clearly on both ends!
Regards,
Carty..
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Hi, I had from many years a HTC Himalaya and I loved it... but now I have bought an ETEN Glofiish M800... about the Customizable ROM here u can find a recently customized Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM for the Glofiish: http://eten-users.eu/index.php?showtopic=13538
Regards,
Cristian (aka tesKing)

i dont know for these new devices but for the x500/m700 ive read in many forums that eten devices with vga screens were "slow"
but ive tested none by myself

I have a TYTNII and bought the Eten M800 due to the VGA screen. The speed is more or less the same as for the HTC, i.e. slow but still useable. However you get VGA resolution in a very good quality screen. Apart form that, the M800 is almost inusable, it has touch sensitive buttons that make the everyday use a real PAIN. The WM6 is very unstable in this device probably due to the amount of (useless) applicattions that ETEN has preloaded. I found a workaround to the problem of the buttons:
1) Disable the touch buttons using the registry (leave "OK" and the Windows logo only)
2) Change the voice comnmander by the Cyberon Voice Speed dial
Then there is the problem of the paint....mine looks like 5 years old and has les than one month. Unfortunately I sold the TYTNII... too early.

I use the M800 and I am quite satisfied so far.
Sold my Touch Dual and apart from the weird touch buttons and the small RAM its a very nice device.
There are cooked roms available and you don't need to unlock anything. just put the ROM files on a FAT16 SD card, boot, hold a few buttons and 8 mins later its done.
GPSSlovakias WM 6.1 ROM for the M800 is stable and fast, much faster than the stock ROM.
i also disabled the buttons on the front. unfortunately they are not really usable.
the M810 is nice for sure, but only QVGA!
once you get used to a VGA screen you really cant go back anymore. the difference is huge. especially with apps that take full use of it, like the excellent Netfront 3.5 browser and PocketXpdf.
also it just looks that much cleaner. on TodayAgenda I can show much more info, the SPB Plus and Phone icons looks superb, etc...
IMHO its a great device but has a few shortcommings.
what i would love in the next eten:
128MB ram
flush screen
real front buttons
better keyboard
i would not say that the M800 is unusable. not for me, at least.
it was a great upgrade to my touch dual and as the dual has basically no hardware buttons, it doesnt make much difference that the M800 ones are unusable
btw, I used AE Button Plus for disabling the buttons as its more comfortable that way
the speed of the device is very good with the newest WM 6.1 ROM, really. and there is a new touch screen driver that resolves the 80% CPU bug when pressing the screen.

ROMs for ETEN M800
I agree that once you disable the buttons the device is just OK, specially the screen pays for the rest of the troubles (shared in part by HTC devices). However, I miss the nice send and end buttons of the TYTNII. Where do you get the cooked ROMs? Do you know if there is any available in spanish? I had to buy the WME version because apparently they don't market the device in Spain or any spanish speaking country or I haven't located any dealer selling a spanish version... Maybe it still does not exsist.
I've been able to enter in bootlader mode by pressing power+record+hw reset, then a terminal screen prompts for a USB loader and then for a SD card image file, however I haven't found any rom so far.

here:
WM 6.1 thread
but if you can wait, a new rom version will be upped, according to the thread starter.
I have the WWE version too, as they dont make them in German
no idea if there is a spanish rom.
of course good buttons would be nice, but i disabled the lower row and use the win, ok, left, right buttons and it works well that way.
btw if you click the record button twice, the touchbuttons get locked. if you click twice again, they get unlocked. maybe this is helpful for you

I see a lot of people complaining about the touch buttons but I am having a good experience with them. I found M800 really nice and usable.

Carty said:
They are completely different. O2 sometimes uses HTC for manufacturing devices but Eten is not like that. And the hardest part is, there are no much Eten users here in xda and so don't expect any custom ROMs.
PS: But as far as Ive experienced with Eten, unlike HTC, they themselves provide a heavily customized ROM which will definitely be faster than HTC! And call recording works clearly on both ends!
Regards,
Carty..
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What program do you use to record calls?
Thank you

Carty said:
They are completely different. O2 sometimes uses HTC for manufacturing devices but Eten is not like that. And the hardest part is, there are no much Eten users here in xda and so don't expect any custom ROMs.
PS: But as far as Ive experienced with Eten, unlike HTC, they themselves provide a heavily customized ROM which will definitely be faster than HTC! And call recording works clearly on both ends!
Regards,
Carty..
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Hi,
Could you tell, please, what program do you use to record on both ways with an E-ten?
Thank you

hi there....
should i buy this fone for 250€ ?
i got an HTC Wizard for 3 years.

The m800 is the worst phone I ever had..
Bad paint, flimsy battery cover, 64MB RAM (too low for the VGA screen).
Even my ancient universal is faster (also with 64 MB) then the m800..
Glad to have a diamond now.
My advice: it's not worth the money.
For 250 you can probably buy yourself a second hand Diamond..

WVGA resolution unsupporterd

So far on WM6.5 there is no solution for emulating VGA resolution. Of course we used to use WVGAFix from Cotulla to get this done so we could run programs that needed VGA res to run. But his fix doesn't work on 6.5 There is one app that I like so much I have been going back to wm6.1 for it. That is Orions: Legend of Wizards. I know a lot of members here play this game, the ones that have discovered it anyway. It's a lot like Magic the Gathering.
So, I'm caught in this catch 22. I would like to use the latest cooked Roms for my X1 but I would also like to continue to play this awesome game. WM6.1 is about to be left to die in it's old age. I decided to ask about a WVGA supporting re-release from the developer. Their reply sounds like a no-go and I'd like to share the exchange with you...
Hello,
I would like to say that I really like Orions. It is an excellent
game and is just my type. I can no longer play it though because my
new device has a WVGA resolution 800x480. Do you plan to release a
new version of Orions that will run on a WVGA resolution ppc? This
will be important for your company as soon enough all new PPC devices
will be WVGA. In fact, as I understand it wm6.5 can only run at WVGA
resolution.
Thank you for your time,
Me
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Hello You,
thanks for your feedback, there are will be no support for resolution
800x480 and wm6.5, but if you are interested we've recently ported Orions
to iPhone/iPod Touch.
In the near future we are going to make our games for iPhone/iPod Touch
platform only.
Kind regards,
Natalia Kovalchuk
http://imoregames.com/
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This makes me sad. This app is my favorite but the experience has been getting worse for a while. It was great on my Kaiser at VGA but when I upgraded to an Xperia I had to use WVGAFIX which left me effectively with less physical real estate to play on than the Kaiser. Now if I upgrade to 6.5 I can't run the game at all. And the dev is leaving us out to dry.