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HTC PHONE
i think i seen that phone on Easydevices website, called the Advantage, although i think it runs Mobile 5 rather than Vista,
all i know is, ive got mine preordered
http://www.easydevices.co.uk/pp/PDA/HTC/HTC_Advantage_X7500.html

What I dont get is why they are releasing the Advantage with Windows Mobile 5 instead of 6. Easydevices also have the HTC S710 which has Mobile 6.
They should be using Mobile 6.

HTC P9500 (Shangri-La)

I'm not sure who to blame, you guys who didn't notice the title, or insider666 who seems to be .. weird on this introduction with almost nothing to say about it. Anyway if you look at those photos, the unit runs on Windows Vista. Yes, Vista the full PC-class OS, not the strip down mobile Windows Mobile. Also note the Windows key on the keyboard.
Anyway, I'm not sure where did this news come from, but I'm not having luck on google on this. However, both the pics above may have been photoshopped, you never know, until we get a more reliable source

it does look like the HTC advantage, and it does look like its been photoshopped, cause the windows key looks awful bright.
but hey, if it runs vista i'll be impressed but i think it'l be mobile 5 if not 6

here is the rough spec for P9500:
It is a Vista Plus WM 6
7" Screen
40GB HD
VGA for VT
WIFI
HSDAPA,UMTS
GPS
Fingerprint Recognition
Semi-auto Sliding.

insider666 said:
It is a Vista Plus WM 6
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What would the point in that be?
www.seehtc.com
Thats the official Advantage page.
I just hope that the T-Mobile version (T-Mobile Ameo) will be upgradable to WM6, otherwise it will be made obsolete within 3 months of hitting the market.
Oh and the second pic just looks like an early mock up of the I-mate Ultimate 7150.

This is not an HTC advantage, please bear in mind.
It will be out in Q4 2007.
Here is another one, HTC P6550 Sedna (Not P6500 Sirius)
3.5" Screen
3.0 Mega pixel autofocus camera,
fingerprint recognition
credit/smart card reder
support GPS and A-GPS.

insider666 said:
This is not an HTC advantage, please bear in mind.
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That doesnt explain why it will use both Vista and WM6, please explain what the point in using Dual OS's would be along with how these will be partitioned.

i doubt very much it will use both
vista is not likely to be compiled for more platforms then x86-32 and 64
and wm6 is arm based
if it's running vista is will have a pc cpu
and if it have that kinda power it would be easier to emulate wm6 then to put in a arm cpu in the device too

My guess: virtualization of WM to operate HSPDA and GSM phone and data services; that way they don't have to write a phone program for Vista (or maybe MS wants it that way).
This is a space HTC can't ignore considering the popularity of the Sony UX models and the growing buzz around the OQO 02 and its WWAN EV-DO.

I expect the reason for 2 OSes on the one device will be
WM6 for low power requirements & day long operation of Push mail as in the manner that current devices can manage.
Vista for the times that a standard PC app is required at the expense of only being able to run for 3 - 5 hours.
The base Windows CE is available for x86 machines but I expect a dual processor setup to support the low power requirements of WM6 compared to Vista.

IMHO, this super dude is a smart-ass. He seems to be photoshopping the images leaked/released by HTC in this PDF doc.
Folks, take a look at this

Does this mean that HTC is slowly venturing in laptop market?

How Many Use True VGA?

Trying to solicit more support for it

Timeshell said:
Trying to solicit more support for it
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Would if I could - unfortunately the ROMs based on the new source don't support it... yet...
Still, +1 for RealVGA

I have Qtek9000 (VGA). Does it "Real VGA" or not?

If I'd use trueVGA mode I'd need magnifying glasses... the pixels of this device are sooo small.. of course when I'm sitting and browsing I'm setting the font size to a size between truevga and qvga mode...

kchris said:
If I'd use trueVGA mode I'd need magnifying glasses... the pixels of this device are sooo small.. of course when I'm sitting and browsing I'm setting the font size to a size between truevga and qvga mode...
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100% agreed. I tested it 1 day, but never tried it again.. and i wont

HansiHusten said:
100% agreed. I tested it 1 day, but never tried it again.. and i wont
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What PPC do you have? What screen resolution?

Well.. as you can see, we are in the universal forum here And i got an Qtek 9000, like you do.
The normal (base, standard) resolution is QVGA on a (hardware) VGA LCD with 640x480.
There are several tools where you can add this true VGA mode, just check some topics here or use the search.
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typo

I would if only my favorite games would work on True VGA.
Most games still assume a QVGA mode. The screen and stylus isn't aligned when playing.

Once I changed my my universal to true vga, I never want to change it to qvga,

hello , i got a question , is jasjas in normal mode is VGA or qVGA ?
because members here are talking about changing back t qvga ,and that is impossible in universal , point me if im wrong ,
QVGA = 320 x 240
VGA = 640 x 480 (universal )
real VGA = i dont know ,can ayone tell me ?
and with i once changed to Real VGA ,but i dont want it again becauseafter reading and replying one sms i had a headache ,very small fonts
goooooooooooood day

Chalk another one up for True VGA...
I had True VGA on Hemi's ROM but since my phone went in for repair and that got wiped off I've upgraded to the latest version of Ivan's Midget v3, which unfortunately doesn't support it , just hoping that Midget gets around to modding it sometime soon because there are a few features on this ROM which I would really like to use but I'd really like to use it in True VGA!
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As I understand it OzVGA had to be modded to work on WM6 in both Helmi's and Midget's ROMS (Helmi WM6 1.1 and Midget V0.1). Hopefully Midget can get around to this one of these fine days - he's probably busy debugging or building better functionality into Midget V1.0 though...

What program do you use to switch TrueVGA? OzVGA? If it is possible to "include" this option in the ROM?

myname70 said:
What program do you use to switch TrueVGA? OzVGA? If it is possible to "include" this option in the ROM?
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Now, I like this question.
Note for the ROM developers.

See im confused? Is true VGA just VGA? Or True VGA and VGA different?

Alkhal said:
See im confused? Is true VGA just VGA? Or True VGA and VGA different?
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Yes they are different.. it's because of the higher dpi (dots per inch) of True VGA.
If you may notice.. VGA and QVGA screens devices pretty much look the same right? I mean, The size of fonts, icons, taskbar, etc... are the same.
But if you use True VGA, it changes the the screen dpi to a true and correct VGA dpi setting. It will fully utilize the 640x480 screen. It's like, imagine your PC 14" monitor... set it to a 640x480 resolution (it's not possible with WinXP and later unless you go to safe mode, but it's possible for Win9x/ME) and make it smaller down to 3.6". Now that's True VGA.

true VGA user here since my ipaq hx4700 days.

I dont use true vga. I have just forced adobe reader to true vga(via tweaks2k2). The ROM which I m using offers true vga in IE.

Heya, im a former universal owner, now onto the Athena. Given that the universal is the only VGA device with cooked WM6 ROMS at the moment im just wondering, is it correct that WM6 supports True VGA Mode? So no more stuffing around with tweaks and 3rd party apps etc?
There just seems to be some confussion out there as to if WM6 supports a VGA resolution and I thought you guys would know...
cheers in advance.

Osir1s said:
Heya, im a former universal owner, now onto the Athena. Given that the universal is the only VGA device with cooked WM6 ROMS at the moment im just wondering, is it correct that WM6 supports True VGA Mode? So no more stuffing around with tweaks and 3rd party apps etc?
There just seems to be some confussion out there as to if WM6 supports a VGA resolution and I thought you guys would know...
cheers in advance.
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The older WM6 ROMS based on AKU3.5 has TrueVGA.. the newer ones don't.
Wow! 34 vs 33 votes... almost 50-50.

Osir1s said:
Heya, im a former universal owner, now onto the Athena. Given that the universal is the only VGA device with cooked WM6 ROMS at the moment im just wondering, is it correct that WM6 supports True VGA Mode? So no more stuffing around with tweaks and 3rd party apps etc?
There just seems to be some confussion out there as to if WM6 supports a VGA resolution and I thought you guys would know...
cheers in advance.
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I myself am using Helmi's original WM6 with True VGA. I haven't found another ROM that I'd be willing to try right now. So far, I don't see myself trying another ROM until a newer WM6 build supports it.
True VGA is an absolute must for me.

I dont get the difference between Smartphone and PPC

hi there,
i was looking for a new phone and got the at&t Samsung Jack. I understand that it is considered a smartphone and i though that as such, needs specific smartphone software. After searching the web for some applications it occurred to me that smartphone and windows mobile are somewhat the same thing. I am not sure though what the difference is. I know that i can install some software that i used for my kaiser but not all software. what do i have to look for and where is the best place to get my hands on some nice cabs?
thanks,
G

thanks for all the answers...

smartphone= WM STANDARD, no tuchscreen
pocket pc = WM PROFESSIONAL, touchscreen
www.pdadb.net if you need more infos

for what

znial said:
smartphone= WM STANDARD, no tuchscreen
pocket pc = WM PROFESSIONAL, touchscreen
www.pdadb.net if you need more infos
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i understand. what i don't get is, what do i have to look for when it comes to software?! i have a bunch of cab's that worked on my kaiser but don't work on the jack. is that because one is the standard edition and the other one the professional edition? when i look for software, what do i need to look for? wm standard or smartphone apps?
thanks,
G

You have to look out for windows smartphone apps. Actually smartphone is a misnomer as the touch version of win mobile is also called a smartphone. However for software searching PPC means touch version and SMARTPHONE means nontouch version. Actually this happened with me also as I had no idea about the difference of software compatibility in SM and PPC. Now I have known that PPC platform is much wider, versatile with respect tl software availability. I hope this serves your purpose. If you love apps I think you may regret changing over to smartphone from PPC. Some PPC apps do get installed on smartphones but only a very few of them can be used satisfactorily mainly due to navigational problems. However most of the PPC apps donot get installed on smartphones.

parthabhatta said:
You have to look out for windows smartphone apps. Actually smartphone is a misnomer as the touch version of win mobile is also called a smartphone. However for software searching PPC means touch version and SMARTPHONE means nontouch version. Actually this happened with me also as I had no idea about the difference of software compatibility in SM and PPC. Now I have known that PPC platform is much wider, versatile with respect tl software availability. I hope this serves your purpose. If you love apps I think you may regret changing over to smartphone from PPC. Some PPC apps do get installed on smartphones but only a very few of them can be used satisfactorily mainly due to navigational problems. However most of the PPC apps donot get installed on smartphones.
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thanks for the great info, it makes more sense to me now. i didn't really want to switch from ppc to sm. i was just sick of my kaiser. the touchscreen drove me nuts. i cant stand the way it works. i wish it would be as smooth as the apple. (don't get me wrong, i hate apple).
i looked at a few phones and decided to go without touchscreen. i bought the nokia e71 but wasn't a big fan of the menu and the symbian os. i think it looks more refreshing than the windows os but its too much work to even send out a text message...i probably didn't get to know it good enough though...
however, i don't need too many apps on my smartphone. just emails, calendar and tomtom if possible. i have a hard time finding a cab though for a tomtom version that works...
thanks,
G
p.s. what is a good site to download smartphone apps?

http://www.smartphone-freeware.com/
as well as not having touchscreens, smartphones generally dont need to be as high specced to get hte same speeds. this means they are cheaeper and in my experience tougher to break xD

WM 7?

Anyone know any specifics about release dates etc? Wouldn't mind changing 6.5 for something a little newer. If I hadn't absolutely hated Nokia and Mac I would've started looking for something else by now
Cheers!

tiwas said:
Anyone know any specifics about release dates etc? Wouldn't mind changing 6.5 for something a little newer. If I hadn't absolutely hated Nokia and Mac I would've started looking for something else by now
Cheers!
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October to November is currently the best guess.
Recent rumours are suggesting that there may be two different versions of WM7, a stripped down "Business" version and a richer "Media" one, with Business being out Q4 this year, and Media not till next year.

if they split it up like that then I wonder why they'd need 6.5 anymore....
I recall first plans were WM 6.5 for media hype and WM 7 for business. Even if I thought this didn't make a lot sense to not have the new OS for media bimm bamm.

Rumours are also that it's no longer based on Windows CE, but on the Zune HD kernel instead; that it WON'T be backwards compatible with earlier versions, and won't run on 99.9% of existing WM devices.

FloatingFatMan said:
Rumours are also that it's no longer based on Windows CE, but on the Zune HD kernel instead; that it WON'T be backwards compatible with earlier versions, and won't run on 99.9% of existing WM devices.
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Well if that rumor turns out to be true then I can only imagine the disappointment of some.

cerebralgenius said:
Well if that rumor turns out to be true then I can only imagine the disappointment of some.
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IF the rumours are true, it'll be a blow for existing software BUT, a good step for Microsof to take. I mean, have you seen the Zune HD's UI? WM7 is meant to be using that, and if so, iPhone is in trouble.

well if it runs .net then at least some apps would work

There is even newer rumor or supposedly unofficial response from microsoft, about this CE rumor. Ant it states, that Wm 7 bill be using CE7. And CE7 was already offcialy announced as to it will be using ARMv6 arhitecture.
And there is a Microsoft Commercial, where you can see some WM7-style thing beeing run on HTC touch Pro, and Xperia X1. So ported it will be, but how fast will it work on such devices, having only MSM7200.

FloatingFatMan said:
Rumours are also that it's no longer based on Windows CE, but on the Zune HD kernel instead; that it WON'T be backwards compatible with earlier versions, and won't run on 99.9% of existing WM devices.
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It's false.
I don't know if it definitely CE7, though it probably is. I am hearing that it can run 6.x apps so long as they are the same resolution. Trying to get more info.

RAMMANN said:
if they split it up like that then I wonder why they'd need 6.5 anymore....
I recall first plans were WM 6.5 for media hype and WM 7 for business. Even if I thought this didn't make a lot sense to not have the new OS for media bimm bamm.
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6.5 is for cheaper, lower-specification hardware. Remember that the HD2 represents the least powerful, lowest resolution device capable of running WM7. Any new WM phone with a hardware spec in any way inferior to the HD2 will run WM6.5 instead of 7.

read this:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=12237
there's only 1 choice left for us: 100% stable android rom.

Shasarak said:
6.5 is for cheaper, lower-specification hardware. Remember that the HD2 represents the least powerful, lowest resolution device capable of running WM7. Any new WM phone with a hardware spec in any way inferior to the HD2 will run WM6.5 instead of 7.
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I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too

Win_XP said:
I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too
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Yeah, I reeeeeally don't think there will be an official WM7 rom for my Fuze, but I'm hoping the chefs here will be able to make a stripped down version.

Win_XP said:
I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too
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I'm not 100% sure about that. The problem is that Windows Mobile 7 will run on either Windows CE 6 or 7, as opposed to the Windows CE 5 comprising Windows Mobile 5.x and 6.x. Someone will likely have to create nearly every low level component from scratch, so the OS will support the older unsupported hardware. It might be doable, but it won't be as simple as running 6.5 on a WM 6 device. There's a thread here which goes into more detail concerning Windows Mobile 7 on a current generation device (Touch Pro2), and it doesn't look good.

malatesta said:
It's false.
I don't know if it definitely CE7, though it probably is. I am hearing that it can run 6.x apps so long as they are the same resolution. Trying to get more info.
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Until MS officially announce something, everything we hear about WM7 is going to be rumour; and one rumour can't refute another because they're both just that, rumours.
We'll have to see if they drop any more info in Feb.

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
I'm not 100% sure about that. The problem is that Windows Mobile 7 will run on either Windows CE 6 or 7, as opposed to the Windows CE 5 comprising Windows Mobile 5.x and 6.x. Someone will likely have to create nearly every low level component from scratch, so the OS will support the older unsupported hardware. It might be doable, but it won't be as simple as running 6.5 on a WM 6 device.
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Well it was also possible to run 6.5 on PPC 2003 devices. Probably not really stable but it was possible. but anyway I don't really care. 6.5.x will stay on my Topaz and I'll pick up a new phone for WM 7 of course

http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/01/18/everything-you-need-to-know-about-windows-mobile-7/

Win_XP said:
I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too
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DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
I'm not 100% sure about that. The problem is that Windows Mobile 7 will run on either Windows CE 6 or 7, as opposed to the Windows CE 5 comprising Windows Mobile 5.x and 6.x. Someone will likely have to create nearly every low level component from scratch, so the OS will support the older unsupported hardware. It might be doable, but it won't be as simple as running 6.5 on a WM 6 device. There's a thread here which goes into more detail concerning Windows Mobile 7 on a current generation device (Touch Pro2), and it doesn't look good.
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RAMMANN said:
Well it was also possible to run 6.5 on PPC 2003 devices. Probably not really stable but it was possible. but anyway I don't really care. 6.5.x will stay on my Topaz and I'll pick up a new phone for WM 7 of course
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Yes, but every version of Windows Mobile from 5.0 onwards has been based on the same Windows CE kernel; that's one reason why other OSes (like Android) run so much faster than WinMo on the same hardware, and permit 720p video recording, etc. - a lot of the underlying code in WinMo hasn't been upgraded in six years.
To put it in desktop PC terms, going from Windows Mobile 5.0 all the way up to WinMo 6.5 is the equivalent of going from Windows 95 to Windows ME - it's still basically the same OS, just with a few tweaks to the UI. By contrast, going to WM7 will be like going from Windows ME to Windows Vista - a completely different operating system kernel, with a completely different driver model.
The drivers will be the biggest problem. Unless there is some device out there that officially runs WM7 and which uses exactly the same component as one on your target platform, there simply won't be anywhere you can get a driver file from; and even if such a thing exists, piecing together complete support for every component of a device by picking and choosing driver files from many different platforms would be an enormous effort.
There is a reasonable chance that we will see WM7 running on the HD2, even if there isn't an official release; that's because HTC is apparently using the HD2 as a WM7 development platform, so if someone leaks the ROM they use for testing, the cooks here could probably cobble together something reasonable using it as a basis. But for any other device, realistically there is no chance at all.

Look Here
Its CE 7.0
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618631

odd would be the first time ever ms made a wm release based on a ce core not available already and tested for stability

What OS do you prefer: Android 2 or Win Phone 7?

What OS do you prefer: Android 2 or Win Phone 7

how will we know? no-one got ttheir hands on either yet?
its a completely subjective and pointless questin (IMHO)

google is the wolf in sheeps clothing. they call MS the bad guy while they own the world's info.
I'll take a windows HTC phone since this community will support it way better

Considering no one has WM7 how do you expect to get a decent tally from the poll at this point?
With that being said - IF the older windows mobile software will run on WM7, then I will stick with windows mobile simply because there are more apps avail.

WP7S looks much sexier than Android.

imagine if possible, what you chose?

The Android 2.x has multitasking (rather than The Android 1.x which has no multitasking)
In contrast, the Windows Phone 7 has no multitasking (while the older Windows Mobile/Phone has multitasking, including the oldest Pocket PC)..
And I REALLY NEED MULTITASKING, so I choose the Android

web 2.0 crap
i hate social networks...
stay on windows phone classic
hmm update:
android gets me
still hatin social networks....

currently the chances to be able to move any current htc device to wm7 are much much smaller then moving them to android 2
wm7 is not a follow up for wm6.X it's a different branch's which don't run wm6.x programs and require hardware other wm6.X devices don't have
so chances are if you really really like wm7 you need to get a new device
and hope that many developers head in that direction rather then android, iphone or nokia n900
because old pocketpc apps don't work

Rudegar said:
currently the chances to be able to move any current htc device to wm7 are much much smaller then moving them to android 2
wm7 is not a follow up for wm6.X it's a different branch's which don't run wm6.x programs and require hardware other wm6.X devices don't have
so chances are if you really really like wm7 you need to get a new device
and hope that many developers head in that direction rather then android, iphone or nokia n900
because old pocketpc apps don't work
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Windows Embedded CE 6.0 features a completely redesigned kernel, which supports over 32,768 processes, up from 32 process support of the previous versions. Each process receives 2GB of virtual address space, up from 32MB.
well, seems like the only choice we've left is android.
& wm 6.xx is terrible.

Judging from what i saw at MWC 2010 i'll personally stick
to winmo "classic", that's what they are calling WM6.X now.
WM 7 looked very lame and boring to me. Look like it's
bound to be a major setback for MS and a significant
growth in the Android arena. A change to radical.

patrick_spd4u said:
The Android 2.x has multitasking (rather than The Android 1.x which has no multitasking)
In contrast, the Windows Phone 7 has no multitasking (while the older Windows Mobile/Phone has multitasking, including the oldest Pocket PC)..
And I REALLY NEED MULTITASKING, so I choose the Android
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1.6 DOES multitasking.
Anyway, Android is better than WM in many aspects..
From Touch Pro to HTC Hero. Too bad it has the same qualcomm crappy procesor, but it's faster than WM and way more handy (notification bar simply rocks).
And about WM7.. I don't like it. A total downgrade.. IMO. RIP WM
So yes, i vote for Android 2

RIP Windows Mobile... I originally got you because you were so hackable and customizable, but this new version just sounds like an iPhone clone two years too late....
Android is definitely going to be where it's at for the phone hacker community (it seems...)

i will not be surprised if someone in XDA-DEV managed to cook a rom for touch pro that will support windows mobile 7..even now,with their help,we are able to boot our touch pro with android OS..just wait and see..