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Hello,
I wanted to ask is it legal to create WM6 ROMs for the HTC Wizard . Thnx in advance .
We are not CREATING ROMS, we are EDITING them to our needs and specifications.. for instance u dont like something that comes in the rom, or u want to add something to the rom (thus saving u space, for storage and Program) you just EDIt the rom.... by using the kitchens and packages.. hope i have answered your question
funkadesi said:
We are not CREATING ROMS, we are EDITING them to our needs and specifications.. for instance u dont like something that comes in the rom, or u want to add something to the rom (thus saving u space, for storage and Program) you just EDIt the rom.... by using the kitchens and packages.. hope i have answered your question
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Sorry but still my questions remains but a changed a bit now, IS EDITING ROMS TO OUR NEEDS ILLEGAL? Thnx to funkadesi.
i would say this with some certainty, but maybe a senior member can correct me:
to edit a ROM to your own specifications and put on your device for your own personal use is not illegal, as long as the method by which the original rom was obtained was not illegal.
to edit a ROM and redistribute it to others likely crosses a legal line.
Why Does It Matter???
I'm curious why it matters so much. Fact is, for the Wizard, we would not and never will have a true WM6...and frankly, I could care less if I have a cooked rom, especially since my rom is better than what I would get from Tmo...who also will not provide any updates. So if I am to be held to pay for a new device for hundreds of dollars to have a WM6 rom, or use one of XDA's talented chef/developer's rom's...well hands down, I will stick with xda. If that makes me illegal, screw it. I refuse to use the crappy stock Tmo WM5 rom that came on my device...it is slow and buggy and needed daily rebooting. The only time my phone gets a reboot now is when I have to do it for a program install or uninstall. My beloved Jaguar is so dependably stable...I will never go back to a stock rom!!
I honestly do not know the ethics/morality behind cooking a rom, and really don't care either!! All I know is that XDA has given more to the "Wizarding" community than M$, Tmo, AT&T or any of those other greedy bastards ever have or ever will. I sleep just fine at night despite my use of NTS's rom.
Tell me this...let's say you bought a designer suit, but it didn't quite fit right...would tailoring it to your needs be in some violation? You bought the suit, you need it to fit you, so you modify to do so.
I bought the MDA. Someone somewhere also bought a device with WM6...it got tailored to my needs. Not point by point the same thing as my suit example, but since M$ refuses to produce a WM6 for a my device, why should I be punished and forced to buy a different device when my Wizard works so well?? Why buy another suit to wear when you can simply get the one you have tailored to fit you?
xsbeats said:
i would say this with some certainty, but maybe a senior member can correct me:
to edit a ROM to your own specifications and put on your device for your own personal use is not illegal, as long as the method by which the original rom was obtained was not illegal.
to edit a ROM and redistribute it to others likely crosses a legal line.
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I didn't understand that, u mean that if i edit a ROM and redistribute it for free on my site, would it be illegal? Sorry for my lack of understanding. Thnx to xsbeats too .
xda2_haseeb said:
I didn't understand that, u mean that if i edit a ROM and redistribute it for free on my site, would it be illegal? Sorry for my lack of understanding. Thnx to xsbeats too .
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See, now more info is coming out from you. You are not wondering if it is illegal...you are wondering if posting a cooked rom on YOUR WEBSITE illegal. That would be something for the mods to answer...
I do not know the legality behind it, but XDA developers share their rom's here. Now I think if you tried to SELL a cooked rom, you could definately end up in some legal issues.
basically it doesn't really matter if it's illegal or not, it's nothing that will ever come back to you...
picture this...a cop jumps out of his car and is on fire, and you pee on him to put the fire out...yeah, you pee'd on a cop, but you also saved his life. lol, that probably proved nothing, but i found it kind of funny. basically it may be illegal it may not be, but nothing will ever come of it, so i wouldn't even ponder on it too much
All I'd say is that you make sure the rom you post is your work...because if you post another cook's rom without their permission or without giving them the credit, you will most probably have a pissed off XDA developer on your ass...and I'd think that could be worse than any BS legal threats that M$ will probably never do!!!
xda2_haseeb said:
I didn't understand that, u mean that if i edit a ROM and redistribute it for free on my site, would it be illegal? Sorry for my lack of understanding. Thnx to xsbeats too .
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XDA-Dev used to store the roms right here on this website. Due to pressure from cell companies (as I understand it), Microsoft used legal threats to force xda-dev to remove all the roms (that was almost a year ago, and many felt that would kill this site). Thats why you mostly have to deal with getting them via rapidshare or whatever.
The Eula says WM is not to be modified or redistibuted.
I do know that some people from htc, Microsoft and AT&T watch this site and actually love the work that goes on here (Others definetly don't feel the same).
Just my thoughts...
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I do know that some people from htc, Microsoft and AT&T watch this site and actually love the work that goes on here
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That is because XDA kicks ass!
(Others definetly don't feel the same)
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Well that would probably be similar to having penis envy...
they know XDA rocks and that they don't match up!
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^^^Well at least that is my view on the subject!^^^
Here's the bottom line, when you get down to it.
You kill a resource like this, a lot of Wizard owners will buy a Nokia.
Then Microsoft and HTC never sell that person another device/OS on a mobile platform.
That's kind of a problem for them. Unlike the desktop PC where you pretty much have to run Windows for a lot of purposes, on the mobile side there is no particular need to use a HTC device or Windows Mobile - there ARE other, competing alternatives that in fact have majority market share.
The carriers "efforts" in this regard are beyond lame and border on stupid. The instability in most of the stock ROMs are nutty bad and there is no "retail" upgrade option available (that is, unlike my home PC, for which I CAN go buy Vista, the option doesn't exist for my HTC Wizard)
Here's an ineresting article that has a Microsoftie recommending using some rom tools to pull out products like rdp for various reasons
msmobiles article
Money Quote:
MSMobiles said:
Scott Yost from Windows Mobile division of Microsoft USA, who specializes there in code signing, security policies, revocation and certificates, admits:
There are unsupported tools externally available that are able to copy the modules out of ROM and then try to reconstruct the original file. If you still need to extract those bytes, you can probably find one of those tools.
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Thnx everybosy for there replies my question is now answered, i have come to the point that:
""I can edit and keep a ROM on my own site""
Do correct if mistaken.
Thnx to all.
Happy to report i just got my hand on north american maps and this program works a charm on the kaiser. Only thing we need now is fm for rds tmz.
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Link to warez site removed.
how big are the map files? I have the older igo and the usa maps take up about 1.8 gigs.
somehow I don't think posting a WAREZ site is with site policy...
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somehow I don't think posting a WAREZ site is with site policy...
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Do you want a tissue? Cause you sound like your about to cry...
Classy, very classy
Have fun when you are banned
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Classy, very classy
Have fun when you are banned
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why would you even try to be a tattle tail... people like you really annouy me. If you don't like what the guy posted stay out of his thread. Instead your all tryin to be some hero or something.
your really smart man...
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why would you even try to be a tattle tail... people like you really annouy me. If you don't like what the guy posted stay out of his thread. Instead your all tryin to be some hero or something.
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grow up, its not about being a "tattle tail" its about keeping this forum alive and problem free, to help develop xda devices. Creating problems via copy right issues is not the way to go for this great forum. Finding web sites with illegal software is very easy, but this web site is not about that, so relax!! and learn to spell.
Does igo8 use different maps then the previous version?
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why would you even try to be a tattle tail... people like you really annouy me. If you don't like what the guy posted stay out of his thread. Instead your all tryin to be some hero or something.
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First of all he isnt tattling... this post wasnt even reported, but us mods and admins do read these forums as well... Second of all he was letting the OP know that posting warez or links to warez site's is prohibited. XDA does not support warez nor condone the use of them.
ahson said:
grow up, its not about being a "tattle tail" its about keeping this forum alive and problem free, to help develop xda devices. Creating problems via copy right issues is not the way to go for this great forum. Finding web sites with illegal software is very easy, but this web site is not about that, so relax!! and learn to spell.
Does igo8 use different maps then the previous version?
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Oh give me a break. Like any agency cares whats going on in this forum. LoL I have a song for you bro....
Sleep with the window open
Sleep till tomorrow
Be my hero
"Be without being lonely
Try to open
We try to open
Hoping for a hero
I want something
I want everything
I want nothing
Nothing else
I want someone
Not just anyone
Be my hero
Keep what is secret
Secret
We can believe it
Be my hero"
I have igo8 + italy map + 3D italy buildings active + pois + WEST EUROPE DEM File (to view 3d terrain, ~300Mb) on my kaiser....
It goes a little slow, a pause every 1,5 sec...
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Oh give me a break. Like any agency cares whats going on in this forum...
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Actually the agencies DO care - that's why the Hermes Forum had to remove a lot of the shipped rom downloads to prevent the site being closed, chefs have to re-cook their roms to remove non-freeware apps etc, etc.
We all know people use the warez sites, but to keep THIS forum open we have rules which we must follow. If you don't like it or want to get mouthy that's your choice, but you'll end up being banned or no one helping you when you have problems.
I merely stated that the new igo works well and looks great, the site i linked to is not a warez site as there is no programs to download from that site Please remove my post if you feel that strongly about it.
Also i don't care if it is illegal or not i will try out a program before i buy it. Otherwise i would have thrown out over a grand on **** navigation software like navigon, route66 and so on
Don't visit the site if you don't agree!!!!!
Also i would like you all to know that TomTom sold over 40 times because of my recommendation and so will igo8 once their poi's have more coverage and once their traffic updates can be received through data connection.
XDA-developers is a great website to say the least and i would never consciously jeopardize their operation i do not feel that the link i posted pointed towards a warezsite especially since a simple google search pulls up that very same site and google has tried their utmost to keep from displaying such sites (officially)
I personally strongly believe that if you are going to use a software title (no matter pc, pda or elsewhere) you should buy it as a lot of hard working people rely on the income!
However this beeing said in todays market there is too much crap software floating around and there is no way of getting your money back for software you don't want to or can't use so we have to let each other know what works and what doesn't and IGO8 works as opposed to all other navigation programs except TomTom which is all i really wanted to say here!
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why would you even try to be a tattle tail... people like you really annouy me. If you don't like what the guy posted stay out of his thread. Instead your all tryin to be some hero or something.
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Just Ban him- The world would be a better place with 1 less idiot.
manimore, sent you a PM
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manimore, sent you a PM
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says in you sig that you use garmin xt, does that run smoothly for you bc it doesn't for me and other then that it is quite nice. Still no competition to TomTom but better then most.
Garmin
manimore said:
says in you sig that you use garmin xt, does that run smoothly for you bc it doesn't for me and other then that it is quite nice. Still no competition to TomTom but better then most.
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Yeh Garmin mobile XT runs really well, no problems at all. Its the maps that do it for me, they are just so much more beautiful than tomtoms, and the POIs are massive, its got my local pub in there!!
Your right though, no competition to tomtom, still the best. But you dont know unless you try..
iGo 8 3D
Got it installed, but its well buggy, might wait for the official release
Or try again?
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...the POIs are massive, its got my local pub in there!!...
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Funny - finding my local has never been a problem, it's finding the way home after 11pm that I struggle with...!
full test results
After a significant testrun it is well buggy with missed phonecalls during navigation and sound lost and trouble exiting.
Once again proves the point of trying before buying
Hopefully the full release will cure these issues because it is fantastic piece of software!
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Just Ban him- The world would be a better place with 1 less idiot.
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If you ban this douchebag... atleast we wont have to look at the lame pictures in his profile.
Did you see whats happening on Howard Forums. Apparently this could happen here.
Basically this is what happening. It turns out Mobitv stores links to their feeds in a plain text file that anyone with internet access can view. Apparently viewing this text file is considered 'hacking'. These feeds do not appear to be protected in an anyway and it appears anyone with a compatible phone can view them.
http://www.howardforums.com/announcement.php?f=157
Could The Moderator Please move this to the right forum. thanks in advance.
thats mobitvs own fault for being so stupid not using security
cuboosh said:
thats mobitvs own fault for being so stupid not using security
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What? I don't get what u mean
So wait what happened with MobitTV? I'm behind...
mobitv is trying to shut down howard forums for someone posting a glitch in mobitv's security and somehow thats ho-fo's fault
First of all, I don't know how this is related to Kaiser upgrade, but, anyway, after reading through their conversation, it is clear that MobiTV asked Howard to remove the links just like how Microsoft asked to remove ROMs from this website long time ago. I understand how one could think that those links are not violating anything but if the company already said so and is just asking to remove the links, then why not? Why escalate it?
Sorry about posting in the wrong thread but i asked the mod to move it to the right one.
Nah, it'll never happen to XDA. The mods here cave in pretty easy.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=309844&page=26
larsuck said:
Nah, it'll never happen to XDA. The mods here cave in pretty easy.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=309844&page=26
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Yeah, fight for our rights XDA-Developer Mods!!
p.s. don't ban me.
MobiTV is not trying to shut down Howard Forums, they are trying to get certain posts removed.
Am I the only one who finds it sad the president of Mobi-TV doesn't know the difference between site and sight?
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Am I the only one who finds it sad the president of Mobi-TV doesn't know the difference between site and sight?
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maybe he doesn't know English very well? There are a lot of english speaking people who don't know the difference between their, there, and they're!
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Howard, great catching up today. Again, we're big fans of the sight and our intention was never to bring your entire sight down or to "censor the Internet" like we're being accused. The irony is that is quite the opposite type of company we are and as one of the leaders in new media, we couldn't be more supportive of the rights of sights like yours. Please know that our first priority is always to fix any security issues with our system and we're doing that. Additionally, we also have a responsibility to our content and carrier partners to reduce the impact of any breaches to the system once they occur and that was really the basis for the correspondence you had with our legal team.
I look forward to continuing to find interesting and vibrant insights from HowardForums.
Best regards,
Paul Scanlan
Cofounder, President
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Seems like they backed down
This glitch is the reason we dont have Sprint TV on our Moguls FYI.
I would love to see someone with the new T-Mobile Garminfone pull out the apk and see if we can use it in our Incredibles. I would just love to see how it would work on a real powerhouse of a phone ;-)
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Hmmm, bad idea -1
madman34 said:
I would love to see someone with the new T-Mobile Garminfone pull out the apk and see if we can use it in our Incredibles. I would just love to see how it would work on a real powerhouse of a phone ;-)
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Watch out! I did a google search and I found another thread on xda...
http: //forum.xda-developers.com/showpost . php?p=7636980&postcount=5
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This post shall serve as the first and only warning regarding the Garmin application and maps. Anybody who shares them or asks for them to be shared will be banned.
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I guess this is bad behavior.
New user so I can link
[email protected] said:
Watch out! I did a google search and I found another thread on xda...
http: //forum.xda-developers.com/showpost . php?p=7636980&postcount=5
here is the excerpt
I guess this is bad behavior.
New user so I can link
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Thanks for sharing =)
So anything you rip off another phone is illegal, how come we do it with alot of stuff on here... then again what do i care /ripriprip
The problem with this is that it's the map data mostly. When I was on Windows Mobile, we had the same problem with Microsoft Voice Command. Even though it came with most WM phones, you weren't aloud to share the .cab (equivalent to .apk) file for it. In fact, cooking roms with it was kinda frowned upon. The problem was the licensing, because Microsoft actually charged for the app, for the few phones that came without it (the manufacturer had the option to use it, I'm guessing they decided to just pay for it to have it come loaded). Even when TomTom came out with a "trial" for one specific WM phone, the cracked program wasn't allowed on XDA, even though cracking it just made it possible to use it on other phones...... You still had to buy the maps from TomTom for the phone..... It's all just a CYOA policy, and it's what makes sure XDA won't be shut down!
So I guess the question is: if I am able to find the.apk, would it work on my inc. Has there been any success stories?
It would certainly be interesting to find out. I remember someone in the past had made a GPS Phone based off Windows Mobile. I can't remember who offhand, but I'd think it would be more profitable for them to release the software for a reasonable price than to offer it only on their phone, which who knows how much they're really making off it. I mean it comes down to profit, but I'd think that considering my DInc came with built in Nav for free, and is a much better phone, why pay a premium for a phone with GPS, when you can get a better *phone* and add GPS software for a minimal cost (or use the FREE one included!). Just my thoughts though.....
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What for? Wrote that for free.
PayPal Name/Paytm Name/UPI id *
pirrat25 said:
What for? Wrote that for free.
PayPal Name/Paytm Name/UPI id *
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Read the steps carefully,
I said to go to the end of the page and click on participation button then to fill the form
Such a scam :-/
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Such a scam :-/
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Why u people always go for scam, i withdraw 5 winner yesterday, if you think this is scam, go to telegram group mention in some thread in nokia 6, and ask people if this is spam or not
There's already a method to unlock the BL (the MD5 of your serial no.), so this can be easily recognized as a scam
Also, this was written unprofessionally. If you plan to impress others, learn how to construct sentences properly.
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I have finished. And wait for news from you.
My email:
[email protected]
Good luck All ?
RAcilo said:
There's already a method to unlock the BL (the MD5 of your serial no.), so this can be easily recognized as a scam
Also, this was written unprofessionally. If you plan to impress others, learn how to construct sentences properly.
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M not here impress people bro, i had purchased those bootloader unlock keys, but it seems people aren't buying it even for cheap price, and i recently lost my nokia 6 so it was seems to be waste for me if no one buy them, so i decided to give it for free but in some interesting way, i already given it to more than 20 people till now, still giving it for free
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M not here impress people bro, i had purchased those bootloader unlock keys, but it seems people aren't buying it even for cheap price, and i recently lost my nokia 6 so it was seems to be waste for me if no one buy them, so i decided to give it for free but in some interesting way, i already given it to more than 20 people till now, still giving it for free
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Just like what I said, there's already a method to unlock the BL for FREE!
Stop scamming people. Go somewhere else, and never come back to XDA
RAcilo said:
Just like what I said, there's already a method to unlock the BL for FREE!
Stop scamming people. Go somewhere else, and never come back to XDA
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M not scaming okay, and if you dont have any interest then you can pass, again m saying, m not impressing people, one more thing, you are not here to judge me to whether should i be here or not.
And if the method is available then why it isn't available yet, if i m not wrong then you are telling about the worst and unsafe method where people brick there device and that only work in nougat, my bootloader key works on every platform not only nougat but oreo too
And if this is scam, prove it as scam, because i have proof that this is not scam
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M not scaming okay, and if you dont have any interest then you can pass, again m saying, m not impressing people, one more thing, you are not here to judge me to whether should i be here or not.
And if the method is available then why it isn't available yet, if i m not wrong then you are telling about the worst and unsafe method where people brick there device and that only work in nougat, my bootloader key works on every platform not only nougat but oreo too
And if this is scam, prove it as scam, because i have proof that this is not scam
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Scamming or not, promoting your own payed service is not allow on XDA. You better delete your thread before mod delete it for you.
Here's the reference for you. Rule 7 states that you shouldn't sell any item on XDA and rule 12 states that "XDA-Developers is based on the principle of sharing to transmit knowledge."
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Scamming or not, promoting your own payed service is not allow on XDA. You better delete your thread before mod delete it for you.
Here's the reference for you. Rule 7 states that you shouldn't sell any item on XDA and rule 12 states that "XDA-Developers is based on the principle of sharing to transmit knowledge."
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Did you read the disclaimer of the thread
sltushar said:
Did you read the disclaimer of the thread
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First, you're putting out a site literally say ”The bootloader unlock key is not free for now, so you need to buy it, and we are here to available this service to you at cheapest price." and except everyone here to believe you don't sell your "service"?
Second, the rule 12, XDA should be base on principal of sharing to transmit knowledge. Your thread contains no evidence of any usable information about how to unlock bootloader, but only a link to your own service website that demand our information.
If you really have no intention to sell us your "service", post your proof that can unlock them and make a tutorial show us how to do it, not this giveaway bull****.
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First, you're putting out a site literally say ”The bootloader unlock key is not free for now, so you need to buy it, and we are here to available this service to you at cheapest price." and except everyone here to believe you don't sell your "service"?
Second, the rule 12, XDA should be base on principal of sharing to transmit knowledge. Your thread contains no evidence of any usable information about how to unlock bootloader, but only a link to your own service website that demand our information.
If you really have no intention to sell us your "service", post your proof that can unlock them and make a tutorial show us how to do it, not this giveaway bull****.
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Did you read the steps, what actually written there, i know you guys just click on link, you never read the steps
There is participation button on the end of the page, there is countdown timer also, there is list of winner too
You never saw that, beside that, i m posting the email i sent to those guys
One more thing, i already mentioned everything, if anything goes wrong, the moderator can down this thread, there is telegram group also, u can ask people if i have given them for free or not.
If you think the key will work on all devices, then the answer is know, for every device an unique key is generated and that only works on that device only, thats why there is no tutorial for it.
Also if you have any problem then complaint to the moderator, moderator will also see if my disclaimer and each point i mentioned here, is relating to selling service or not.. if he founds m selling then he can remove my thread
Else if you dont have any intrest in this thread then you should pass from here. M not forcing you to take a part on give away
Keeping something which is worthy but waste now, instead of that m give it as free but like lucky draw type...
Yes i was selling before, people were buying too but not now..
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Did you read the steps, what actually written there, i know you guys just click on link, you never read the steps
There is participation button on the end of the page, there is countdown timer also, there is list of winner too
You never saw that, beside that, i m posting the email i sent to those guys
One more thing, i already mentioned everything, if anything goes wrong, the moderator can down this thread, there is telegram group also, u can ask people if i have given them for free or not.
If you think the key will work on all devices, then the answer is know, for every device an unique key is generated and that only works on that device only, thats why there is no tutorial for it.
Also if you have any problem then complaint to the moderator, moderator will also see if my disclaimer and each point i mentioned here, is relating to selling service or not.. if he founds m selling then he can remove my thread
Else if you dont have any intrest in this thread then you should pass from here. M not forcing you to take a part on give away
Keeping something which is worthy but waste now, instead of that m give it as free but like lucky draw type...
Yes i was selling before, people were buying too but not now..
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Why do not you send the unlock file to me? If successful I will post on this forum and your transparency.
??? ????????
taicracker said:
Why do not you send the unlock file to me? If successful I will post on this forum and your transparency.
??? ????????
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I have arange the free give away, so no one will be the part of partiality, lucky draw does not make partiality between the people who took participation.
M again saying that i m not forcing, its up to u guys, if you want to take participation or not
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I have arange the free give away, so no one will be the part of partiality, lucky draw does not make partiality between the people who took participation.
M again saying that i m not forcing, its up to u guys, if you want to take participation or not
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Do you know what's your problem? The use of "free giveaway" means you are selling them. You posted your selling page link instead of the Google form link of your "giveaway" that you put on the buttom of the page. I don't know what's your intention, but these to me are advertising and tricking people to buy your "service."
And the explanation on your site, "The key is generated through FIH server from FOXCONN", what make you, presumably owner of a Indian e-store, so special to have the access? Even if you have, what makes you have the right to sell them?
You showing no sharing of knowledge but only advertisement of your store is the reason why you shouldn't be here posting on XDA.
BTW your Gmail screenshots serves no evidence whatsoever.
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sltushar said:
I have arange the free give away, so no one will be the part of partiality, lucky draw does not make partiality between the people who took participation.
M again saying that i m not forcing, its up to u guys, if you want to take participation or not
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How do I know the winner?
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How do I know the winner?
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The winner will be announce on the same link