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Hello,
I wanted to ask is it legal to create WM6 ROMs for the HTC Wizard . Thnx in advance .
We are not CREATING ROMS, we are EDITING them to our needs and specifications.. for instance u dont like something that comes in the rom, or u want to add something to the rom (thus saving u space, for storage and Program) you just EDIt the rom.... by using the kitchens and packages.. hope i have answered your question
funkadesi said:
We are not CREATING ROMS, we are EDITING them to our needs and specifications.. for instance u dont like something that comes in the rom, or u want to add something to the rom (thus saving u space, for storage and Program) you just EDIt the rom.... by using the kitchens and packages.. hope i have answered your question
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Sorry but still my questions remains but a changed a bit now, IS EDITING ROMS TO OUR NEEDS ILLEGAL? Thnx to funkadesi.
i would say this with some certainty, but maybe a senior member can correct me:
to edit a ROM to your own specifications and put on your device for your own personal use is not illegal, as long as the method by which the original rom was obtained was not illegal.
to edit a ROM and redistribute it to others likely crosses a legal line.
Why Does It Matter???
I'm curious why it matters so much. Fact is, for the Wizard, we would not and never will have a true WM6...and frankly, I could care less if I have a cooked rom, especially since my rom is better than what I would get from Tmo...who also will not provide any updates. So if I am to be held to pay for a new device for hundreds of dollars to have a WM6 rom, or use one of XDA's talented chef/developer's rom's...well hands down, I will stick with xda. If that makes me illegal, screw it. I refuse to use the crappy stock Tmo WM5 rom that came on my device...it is slow and buggy and needed daily rebooting. The only time my phone gets a reboot now is when I have to do it for a program install or uninstall. My beloved Jaguar is so dependably stable...I will never go back to a stock rom!!
I honestly do not know the ethics/morality behind cooking a rom, and really don't care either!! All I know is that XDA has given more to the "Wizarding" community than M$, Tmo, AT&T or any of those other greedy bastards ever have or ever will. I sleep just fine at night despite my use of NTS's rom.
Tell me this...let's say you bought a designer suit, but it didn't quite fit right...would tailoring it to your needs be in some violation? You bought the suit, you need it to fit you, so you modify to do so.
I bought the MDA. Someone somewhere also bought a device with WM6...it got tailored to my needs. Not point by point the same thing as my suit example, but since M$ refuses to produce a WM6 for a my device, why should I be punished and forced to buy a different device when my Wizard works so well?? Why buy another suit to wear when you can simply get the one you have tailored to fit you?
xsbeats said:
i would say this with some certainty, but maybe a senior member can correct me:
to edit a ROM to your own specifications and put on your device for your own personal use is not illegal, as long as the method by which the original rom was obtained was not illegal.
to edit a ROM and redistribute it to others likely crosses a legal line.
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I didn't understand that, u mean that if i edit a ROM and redistribute it for free on my site, would it be illegal? Sorry for my lack of understanding. Thnx to xsbeats too .
xda2_haseeb said:
I didn't understand that, u mean that if i edit a ROM and redistribute it for free on my site, would it be illegal? Sorry for my lack of understanding. Thnx to xsbeats too .
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See, now more info is coming out from you. You are not wondering if it is illegal...you are wondering if posting a cooked rom on YOUR WEBSITE illegal. That would be something for the mods to answer...
I do not know the legality behind it, but XDA developers share their rom's here. Now I think if you tried to SELL a cooked rom, you could definately end up in some legal issues.
basically it doesn't really matter if it's illegal or not, it's nothing that will ever come back to you...
picture this...a cop jumps out of his car and is on fire, and you pee on him to put the fire out...yeah, you pee'd on a cop, but you also saved his life. lol, that probably proved nothing, but i found it kind of funny. basically it may be illegal it may not be, but nothing will ever come of it, so i wouldn't even ponder on it too much
All I'd say is that you make sure the rom you post is your work...because if you post another cook's rom without their permission or without giving them the credit, you will most probably have a pissed off XDA developer on your ass...and I'd think that could be worse than any BS legal threats that M$ will probably never do!!!
xda2_haseeb said:
I didn't understand that, u mean that if i edit a ROM and redistribute it for free on my site, would it be illegal? Sorry for my lack of understanding. Thnx to xsbeats too .
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XDA-Dev used to store the roms right here on this website. Due to pressure from cell companies (as I understand it), Microsoft used legal threats to force xda-dev to remove all the roms (that was almost a year ago, and many felt that would kill this site). Thats why you mostly have to deal with getting them via rapidshare or whatever.
The Eula says WM is not to be modified or redistibuted.
I do know that some people from htc, Microsoft and AT&T watch this site and actually love the work that goes on here (Others definetly don't feel the same).
Just my thoughts...
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I do know that some people from htc, Microsoft and AT&T watch this site and actually love the work that goes on here
Code:
That is because XDA kicks ass!
(Others definetly don't feel the same)
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Well that would probably be similar to having penis envy...
they know XDA rocks and that they don't match up!
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^^^Well at least that is my view on the subject!^^^
Here's the bottom line, when you get down to it.
You kill a resource like this, a lot of Wizard owners will buy a Nokia.
Then Microsoft and HTC never sell that person another device/OS on a mobile platform.
That's kind of a problem for them. Unlike the desktop PC where you pretty much have to run Windows for a lot of purposes, on the mobile side there is no particular need to use a HTC device or Windows Mobile - there ARE other, competing alternatives that in fact have majority market share.
The carriers "efforts" in this regard are beyond lame and border on stupid. The instability in most of the stock ROMs are nutty bad and there is no "retail" upgrade option available (that is, unlike my home PC, for which I CAN go buy Vista, the option doesn't exist for my HTC Wizard)
Here's an ineresting article that has a Microsoftie recommending using some rom tools to pull out products like rdp for various reasons
msmobiles article
Money Quote:
MSMobiles said:
Scott Yost from Windows Mobile division of Microsoft USA, who specializes there in code signing, security policies, revocation and certificates, admits:
There are unsupported tools externally available that are able to copy the modules out of ROM and then try to reconstruct the original file. If you still need to extract those bytes, you can probably find one of those tools.
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Thnx everybosy for there replies my question is now answered, i have come to the point that:
""I can edit and keep a ROM on my own site""
Do correct if mistaken.
Thnx to all.
Happy to report i just got my hand on north american maps and this program works a charm on the kaiser. Only thing we need now is fm for rds tmz.
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how big are the map files? I have the older igo and the usa maps take up about 1.8 gigs.
somehow I don't think posting a WAREZ site is with site policy...
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somehow I don't think posting a WAREZ site is with site policy...
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Do you want a tissue? Cause you sound like your about to cry...
Classy, very classy
Have fun when you are banned
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Classy, very classy
Have fun when you are banned
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why would you even try to be a tattle tail... people like you really annouy me. If you don't like what the guy posted stay out of his thread. Instead your all tryin to be some hero or something.
your really smart man...
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why would you even try to be a tattle tail... people like you really annouy me. If you don't like what the guy posted stay out of his thread. Instead your all tryin to be some hero or something.
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grow up, its not about being a "tattle tail" its about keeping this forum alive and problem free, to help develop xda devices. Creating problems via copy right issues is not the way to go for this great forum. Finding web sites with illegal software is very easy, but this web site is not about that, so relax!! and learn to spell.
Does igo8 use different maps then the previous version?
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why would you even try to be a tattle tail... people like you really annouy me. If you don't like what the guy posted stay out of his thread. Instead your all tryin to be some hero or something.
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First of all he isnt tattling... this post wasnt even reported, but us mods and admins do read these forums as well... Second of all he was letting the OP know that posting warez or links to warez site's is prohibited. XDA does not support warez nor condone the use of them.
ahson said:
grow up, its not about being a "tattle tail" its about keeping this forum alive and problem free, to help develop xda devices. Creating problems via copy right issues is not the way to go for this great forum. Finding web sites with illegal software is very easy, but this web site is not about that, so relax!! and learn to spell.
Does igo8 use different maps then the previous version?
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Oh give me a break. Like any agency cares whats going on in this forum. LoL I have a song for you bro....
Sleep with the window open
Sleep till tomorrow
Be my hero
"Be without being lonely
Try to open
We try to open
Hoping for a hero
I want something
I want everything
I want nothing
Nothing else
I want someone
Not just anyone
Be my hero
Keep what is secret
Secret
We can believe it
Be my hero"
I have igo8 + italy map + 3D italy buildings active + pois + WEST EUROPE DEM File (to view 3d terrain, ~300Mb) on my kaiser....
It goes a little slow, a pause every 1,5 sec...
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Oh give me a break. Like any agency cares whats going on in this forum...
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Actually the agencies DO care - that's why the Hermes Forum had to remove a lot of the shipped rom downloads to prevent the site being closed, chefs have to re-cook their roms to remove non-freeware apps etc, etc.
We all know people use the warez sites, but to keep THIS forum open we have rules which we must follow. If you don't like it or want to get mouthy that's your choice, but you'll end up being banned or no one helping you when you have problems.
I merely stated that the new igo works well and looks great, the site i linked to is not a warez site as there is no programs to download from that site Please remove my post if you feel that strongly about it.
Also i don't care if it is illegal or not i will try out a program before i buy it. Otherwise i would have thrown out over a grand on **** navigation software like navigon, route66 and so on
Don't visit the site if you don't agree!!!!!
Also i would like you all to know that TomTom sold over 40 times because of my recommendation and so will igo8 once their poi's have more coverage and once their traffic updates can be received through data connection.
XDA-developers is a great website to say the least and i would never consciously jeopardize their operation i do not feel that the link i posted pointed towards a warezsite especially since a simple google search pulls up that very same site and google has tried their utmost to keep from displaying such sites (officially)
I personally strongly believe that if you are going to use a software title (no matter pc, pda or elsewhere) you should buy it as a lot of hard working people rely on the income!
However this beeing said in todays market there is too much crap software floating around and there is no way of getting your money back for software you don't want to or can't use so we have to let each other know what works and what doesn't and IGO8 works as opposed to all other navigation programs except TomTom which is all i really wanted to say here!
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why would you even try to be a tattle tail... people like you really annouy me. If you don't like what the guy posted stay out of his thread. Instead your all tryin to be some hero or something.
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Just Ban him- The world would be a better place with 1 less idiot.
manimore, sent you a PM
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manimore, sent you a PM
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says in you sig that you use garmin xt, does that run smoothly for you bc it doesn't for me and other then that it is quite nice. Still no competition to TomTom but better then most.
Garmin
manimore said:
says in you sig that you use garmin xt, does that run smoothly for you bc it doesn't for me and other then that it is quite nice. Still no competition to TomTom but better then most.
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Yeh Garmin mobile XT runs really well, no problems at all. Its the maps that do it for me, they are just so much more beautiful than tomtoms, and the POIs are massive, its got my local pub in there!!
Your right though, no competition to tomtom, still the best. But you dont know unless you try..
iGo 8 3D
Got it installed, but its well buggy, might wait for the official release
Or try again?
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...the POIs are massive, its got my local pub in there!!...
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Funny - finding my local has never been a problem, it's finding the way home after 11pm that I struggle with...!
full test results
After a significant testrun it is well buggy with missed phonecalls during navigation and sound lost and trouble exiting.
Once again proves the point of trying before buying
Hopefully the full release will cure these issues because it is fantastic piece of software!
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Just Ban him- The world would be a better place with 1 less idiot.
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If you ban this douchebag... atleast we wont have to look at the lame pictures in his profile.
I checked the first 3 pages of the forums and didn't see this posted.
Here are some upcoming home replacements for Android. One name that should be familiar to us old WinMo users and a "newcomer."
http://www.tat.se/home/
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/pre...gs-support-for-symbian-and-android-along.html
they both look pretty cool but I think tathome looks like it might be a little more to my liking.
SPB isnt out yet, is tathome available yet, i didnt see a download.
+1 for TAT home it looks like it could be NICE I checked out the video (good music and all ;-)) here: http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/tat-home-the-gesture-powered-3d-home-screen-your-android-device/
I used SPB Mobile Shell 3.x with my Touch Pro and I wasn't too impressed.
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Here is a video of Mobile Shell http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/mwc-video-spb-mobile-shell-50-on-android IMO Mobile Shell is suffering from what it always has LAG!!!!! Even on the N1 it looked slow, maybe because it's BETA.
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SPB isnt out yet, is tathome available yet, i didnt see a download.
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I don't think it's out yet either. You can sign up for the preview here http://www.tat.se/home/ They said that "more information" will be sent later.
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I don't think it's out yet either. You can sign up for the preview here http://www.tat.se/home/ They said that "more information" will be sent later.
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i signed up, thanks. good find.
I signed up as well hope I get to test.
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I signed up as well hope I get to test.
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same here... looks like something to test at least...
Looks cool! I signed up for the TAT preview.
Hrm, TatHome looks like what I envisioned Android 'should be' , I'm liking the look it quite a bit!! Next: to find out whether it really runs that smoothly on my Hero. 3d and graphics are great, but if it slows my phone down in the slightest its automatically going to get turned off.
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Hrm, TatHome looks like what I envisioned Android 'should be' , I'm liking the look it quite a bit!! Next: to find out whether it really runs that smoothly on my Hero. 3d and graphics are great, but if it slows my phone down in the slightest its automatically going to get turned off.
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cant imagine that it would slow it down anymore than sense but time will tell
muahaha, smooth as an iph*ne, and yet still kicking the pants off of it in terms of functionality = complete win for Android.
See, this is why Android is better, and why most everyone here bought an Android phone Since mostly everyone here probably signed up for that preview, the first person that gets the .apk for this, can you please post it up here incase they delay the preview to some people?
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See, this is why Android is better, and why most everyone here bought an Android phone Since mostly everyone here probably signed up for that preview, the first person that gets the .apk for this, can you please post it up here incase they delay the preview to some people?
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+1 on this but at the same time this is why some dont want to develop for android
Why would it make them not want to develop for it? Because some devices have different specs? I'm just curious.
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Why would it make them not want to develop for it? Because some devices have different specs? I'm just curious.
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Yes there are a lot of different spec'd Android phones out there but I think he is referencing the fact that Android apps are easier to "warez" than the apps on other OS's. All you have to do is sign up for the paid app extract the .apk post it somewhere. Also any dev can try to "reverse engineer" the app, change a few components and BAM it's on the Market as their "original" creation. Just my .2 cents
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Yes there are a lot of different spec'd Android phones out there but I think he is referencing the fact that Android apps are easier to "warez" than the apps on other OS's. All you have to do is sign up for the paid app extract the .apk post it somewhere. Also any dev can try to "reverse engineer" the app, change a few components and BAM it's on the Market as their "original" creation. Just my .2 cents
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that is correct. when swype was first leaked I was actually talking to them about the bennifits of releasing it through the market instead of through manufacturers and one of the biggest concerns that was brought up was the fact that security for apps is too lax. now dont get me wrong everyone knows that for every security mesure there is always a way around it but android security just sucks thats why for the most part people afften have a free version and a donate version. if people can try it and like it then they are more likely to buy it rather than just pirate it. setcpu is a perfect example of this. sure the dev could have made it a protected app (but being a member here at xda he probably knew it was pointless) but he offers it free here and then if you like you can buy from the market to donate to help keep him developing.
so basically all im saying is...ok we all (me included) have pirated apps but if you like the app make sure to go buy it from the market and help keep these people developing for us.
I know I went off on a rant there but without intrest in app development this great platform will fail.
I might be the only here without pirated apps then haha. I did have CoPilot once, but I didn't like it much so I got rid of it. The only time I ever use something pirated is to try it. If I like it and feel the developer should get credit, then fine, I'll donate/buy it.
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I might be the only here without pirated apps then haha. I did have CoPilot once, but I didn't like it much so I got rid of it. The only time I ever use something pirated is to try it. If I like it and feel the developer should get credit, then fine, I'll donate/buy it.
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same here the only thing I am using pirated right now is swype but thats only becuase there is no way to buy it. but thats also because im a cheap ass and maily use free apps unless I really find something useful but to date the only things that I have bought are setcpu and beautiful widgets. im trying cachemate now but it really doesnt seem to be very helpful. I wish I knew a little more about programing there is an app for the iphone that I would love to have on my hero.
i played around with "pandahome" some yesterday. it seems beta right now but they are apparently coming out with pandahome2 soon. it's a good idea, just not quite finished yet. (fc's and whatnot)
anyway you might go check it out (if your feeling froggy).
lots of options and skins ect.ect.ect.
marketplace. free.
Yesterday I tried to use Bing to get some local info, and I got thise trash.
The client update link is visible, but if you pres it you get the same "update?" BS.
So... Microsoft, if this is your attempt to funnel people toward WP7 BEFORE it's as usable, or *customizable* the current versions of WM devices, then by all means go f**k yourselves.
I'll be a Droid user if this is the game they want to play.
With that being said, if anybody has a useful work-around that DOES NOT involve the incredibly ****ty m.bing.com site then by all means, I would appreciate it.
PS:
If this is the wrong forum, i apologize. but i'm looking for help on this one if possible.
try all options
Well I never liked bing and use the google maps preloaded with my device. What features are you looking for that google maps doesnt have, then people could help you out better. Most people dont use bing except for movie listing part.
i use bing
Sean D. said:
Yesterday I tried to use Bing to get some local info, and I got thise trash.
The client update link is visible, but if you pres it you get the same "update?" BS.
So... Microsoft, if this is your attempt to funnel people toward WP7 BEFORE it's as usable, or *customizable* the current versions of WM devices, then by all means go f**k yourselves.
I'll be a Droid user if this is the game they want to play.
With that being said, if anybody has a useful work-around that DOES NOT involve the incredibly ****ty m.bing.com site then by all means, I would appreciate it.
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If this is the wrong forum, i apologize. but i'm looking for help on this one if possible.
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which device are u using?
i HATE microsoft with a passion!
Sean D. said:
Yesterday I tried to use Bing to get some local info, and I got thise trash.
The client update link is visible, but if you pres it you get the same "update?" BS.
So... Microsoft, if this is your attempt to funnel people toward WP7 BEFORE it's as usable, or *customizable* the current versions of WM devices, then by all means go f**k yourselves.
I'll be a Droid user if this is the game they want to play.
With that being said, if anybody has a useful work-around that DOES NOT involve the incredibly ****ty m.bing.com site then by all means, I would appreciate it.
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If this is the wrong forum, i apologize. but i'm looking for help on this one if possible.
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It seems by your theme that you're still using WM6.1. You may want to update to a 6.5 ROM.
I'm just preparing to swith into Android. I'm pised off with that WM crap... ;/
Moved as not Software release.
I had been using it mainly for local searching, movie times, and gas prices.
And yes I am still rocking an old WM6 ROM on a Kaiser.
But still, why just stop supporting it all together? That's pretty disloyal to the same people who have been loyal to them.
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I had been using it mainly for local searching, movie times, and gas prices.
And yes I am still rocking an old WM6 ROM on a Kaiser.
But still, why just stop supporting it all together? That's pretty disloyal to the same people who have been loyal to them.
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just flash a wm 6.5 rom n everything would be better for u n ur phone trust me
I've been real reluctant to do that for some reason...
BING app stopped from working
Hello Sean D,
I have encountered the same problem with the Bing app running on my at&t TILT. Have you gotten any more feedback, how to correct this problem? Like I mentioned, I'm running a TILT w/WM v6.1 and I'm really not in any mood to go thru the 'possible' upgrade to v6.5. I'm not a graet fan of bing, but the mobile app was perfect for getting info when quickly needed. I will not run the browser version.
Regards,
Rick H.
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Wow. First time I've seen something like this. Interesting. I can't wait to see what kind of responses this app gets.
Thanks for your support.
Any feedback would be preciated!
This is fine, but basically assumes everyone is either a straight man or a lesbian, which is exactly what i expected to be to be honest...
LMFAO!
Might aswell just browse /s on 4chan.
Tried this. Good idea, but its pretty slow and unresponsive on my N1.
LoL, this is why Microsoft wants to review apps that are sent in for their marketplace. Have you published this one on the Android Market? I'm very curious if Google will react on this.
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LoL, this is why Microsoft wants to review apps that are sent in for their marketplace. Have you published this one on the Android Market? I'm very curious if Google will react on this.
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And this is why I will NEVER use a Microsoft or Apple phone. I prefer to have the choice not the other way around.
Intercepter said:
And this is why I will NEVER use a Microsoft or Apple phone. I prefer to have the choice not the other way around.
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Yes, but I'm very curious what Google will do.
(Of course you can always sideload, although I wonder how far the community is to "enable" this on WP7)
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