Searching the forum for these words gives too many replies. So I would appreciate it if someone would explain what IPL and SPL exactly are. On my Prophet IPL = 2.10.001 and SPL = 2.15.001. Should they not be the same, and if yes, how can I upgrade IPL only (whatever it is).
Who will shed some light on this?
IPL = Initial Program Loader, this is the bootloader
SPL = System Programming Language (I Think), Not sure exactly what this does. Its has something to do with the Chip, in the Prophets case.
G3 chip ends in .000 or G4 ends in .001.
I have IPL 1.0 but my SPL is 2.15.000 (i.e I have a G3 chip)
I also know higher SPL's are a pain to unlock, you have to try and downgrade
Hope this helps, it's only what I can gather.
Regards
Austin
how does one downgrade or upgrade?
Guess, that SPL is something like hardware abstraction layer software, platform &chip dependent.
austin.tovey said:
IPL = Initial Program Loader, this is the bootloader
SPL = System Programming Language (I Think), Not sure exactly what this does. Its has something to do with the Chip, in the Prophets case.
G3 chip ends in .001 or G4 ends in .001.
I have IPL 1.0 but my SPL is 2.15.000 (i.e I have a G3 chip)
I also know higher SPL's are a pain to unlock, you have to try and downgrade
Hope this helps, it's only what I can gather.
Regards
Austin
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Austin, you are right, just one thing. The Chip G3 ends in 000 and the G4, ends in 001.
What's the risk of flashing a Prophet G4 with a G3 ROM, or a Prophet G3 with a G4 ROM?
Phoenix2000 said:
What's the risk of flashing a Prophet G4 with a G3 ROM, or a Prophet G3 with a G4 ROM?
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Your service centre may be kind enough to repair the phone under warranty if you manage to do this mistake. The phone will not start again if you flash it with the wrong IPL/SPL and without specialised equipment a main board replacement is the only solution to this.
(I did this myself and it took the service centre three weeks to fix it. I guess they struggled with their JTAG cables and then gave up and just replaced the board instead.)
The most of service centers does nothing but changing boards, display and other parts, and do some software loads via USB. Most of the services has no even JTAG equipment nor documentation on how to load the flash via JTAG.
What could be the differences between IPL/SPL versions?
Like I have IPL ánd SPL: 2.10.0001
While most people here on the board seem to have 2.15.0001
Also saw some ROM upgrades (the pdamobiz one for instance) which says it's for 2.15.0001. Although on their english forum it says 2.xx.0001, but not in the file
And while I'm at it (another sneak question ), I guess the pdamobiz rom (aku 2.3) upgrades the device to os: 2.15.13.27 right?
IPL = Initial Program Loader
SPL = Second Program Loader (System Programing Language does not make any sense)
IPL Trigger SPL and then SPL activate the OS
They do the Hardware check-around and hang up if something wrong happens.
check pic
check picture with DOC boot sequence
can someone help me to find IPL 2.15 for G3 prophet
I flashed my Dopod 818 Pro with lvsw's AKU2.3 & AKU2.3.1 and my SPL was changed to 2.20.0001 while IPL was kept 2.15.0001. I wanted to install the official Dopod AKU2.0 ROM back but it failed. I used ROMUpdateUtility.exe and it failed since initialization. If I used ROMUpdateUtility_No_VID.exe it failed at 95% which I believe the official .nbf file has some conflicts with SPL.
And I can't downgrade SPL back to 2.15.0001.
I saw some thread saying that there's no mean to downgrade G4 chip.
Does it mean I have to use AKU2.3 from now on?
Nut110 said:
I saw some thread saying that there's no mean to downgrade G4 chip.
Does it mean I have to use AKU2.3 from now on?
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No. Search this forum. There is a procedure for updating a G4 phone without touching the IPL/SPL areas. Be careful though! A mistake when attempting to upgrade your PDA may result in it being downgraded to a paper weight!
I have A Wing and I Dont see the IPL/SPL when I start it up, I downloaded the wizard service tool but It doesnt seem to work( "Warning!
A device was detected but one (or both) of RAPICommunications and Applications Policy isn'tenabled. Use first button for that purpose and try again") Ive Hard reseted it and enabled RAPI + unsigned APPS but it still wont work so Is there some other way to Get the IPL/SPL? Thanks.
never Mind I didnt enable the cab file within My wing Thnxs XDA Community ^_^
I was wondering how do I find out what IPL or SPL I have on my wing??
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Hello,
I am not a really experienced user in ROM upgrading, IPLs, SPLs, and the works. I have read a LOT about these subjects and i still don't understand a few things. Nevertheless i tried.
I own a G4 CID-Locked Prophet (QTEK S200) as described in the title and i tried upgrading to WM6 "just to see" what the hell would it do.
Before trying this WM6 upgrade i tried yet another thing which is kinda risky and actually turned this same S200 into a brick temporarily. I used the known shelltool_bugfixed application to upgrade to AKU 3.3.13 (extract OS from a complete ROM, then replace the OS file with the AKU 3.3.13 one) and it worked. I tried doing the same with clean1 V2 ROM and it bricked it.
I reflashed the Prophet with an original ROM using the novendor-id RUU, thinking it would never bring it to life, but it did. Also upgraded my SPL to 2.13.0001.
Then i tried upgading to clean1 V2 WM6 rom again (Jesus, stubborn guy) just by simply decompressing the files and running "UPGRADE_ROM.BAT". And it worked.
I was REALLY surprised because i read over and over again about this and i had the idea WM6 needed some special IPL and/or SPL and that my device had to be CID-Unlocked before the upgrade.
These are just a few events of yesterday and today with my Prophet which i wanted to share with you. I still find it unbelievable but here i am, running WM6 and happy as hell with it. WM6 really looks awesome and works a treat
^_^
If you dont write IPL/SPL without the right CID, you cant use all WM6 Firmwares ;-)
So you mean IPL and SPL are directly related to CID-Locks?
I wish i could understand that, it would help me figure out what i can use on my CID-Locked Prophet and what i can't... before i brick it for good
As i said above, when i "brought it back to life" with an original JamIN rom, it upgraded the SPL to 2.13.0001 (it was 2.10.0001 previously).
namco said:
So you mean IPL and SPL are directly related to CID-Locks?
I wish i could understand that, it would help me figure out what i can use on my CID-Locked Prophet and what i can't... before i brick it for good
As i said above, when i "brought it back to life" with an original JamIN rom, it upgraded the SPL to 2.13.0001 (it was 2.10.0001 previously).
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Don't know what your are talking about but all wm6 in this forum gave me no problems when i flashed them. Mine is CID locked G4 from ORANGE. So just try. There are lots of alternatives. All working more or less... Find the one better suits your prophet.
Read what i said in the first post. I know it's a bit confusing, but it says there i have successfully flashed my S200 with WM6 (smart1 V2 ROM).
I was just surprised because with all the spread information around WM6, i thought i needed to downgrade to some "special" IPL/SPL version or that i couldn't flash just because my G4 is CID-Locked.
After all, i can just flash about anything without bricking my S200. The only thing i think would brick it is if i downgraded (somehow) the IPL/SPL. Am i correct?
you can only upgrade IPL & SPL
but you can upgrade and downgrade OS
what I really confused about it, what is the relation between IPL&SPL and OS
as I understand, some OS need newer IPL & SPL
can any one correct me
secoseco said:
you can only upgrade IPL & SPL
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not exactly, on CID-locked device you can upgrade onlu SPL
secoseco said:
as I understand, some OS need newer IPL & SPL
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as I noticed, there isn't any relation between IPL/SPL and OS
and upgrading SPL doesn't take any profits
I may have solution but I'm afraid to post it here, and one has the strength to test it.
it will writ the SPL using pdocwrit;, but I'm afraid cause when read the SPL it will have the same begining of the SPL in nk.nbf but after a while it will have diffreneces, but when I read the SPL using r2sd command it will have the smae SPL in nk.nbf
and I have harmless SPL solution it will have the same version 3.08 but it will be the same as 2.20 if anyone intrested in this please answer me
but he will use it at his own risk, and will not blame me for anything, he might brick his phone.
I'm willing to take the chances. SO, How do I go about it?
I am interested in downgrade spl 3.08 g4,since I do it,thanks I wait for its answer.
this will upgrade to version 3.09.
if done succefuly this new 3.09 has the same functions of 2.20 SPL
so if one has unlocked G3 with 3.08 and success to upgrade 3.09 (2.20) please try to unlock CID the device and to install the 2.20
and if it works with G4 device this 3.09 has the same funtions of 2.20 and the device will be again PM300
till working in pdocwrite I hope this will work for now
I have already updated with paradis g4 spl 3.09 it but to me it continues leaving spl 3.08 and it changes to me 1 splash with your face
dear
I put my spalsh screen to make sure that you flash the new SPL
cause it will flash firt SPL then new splash screen and new HTC Logo in order.
did you get any error message? please tell me, what device model you have now?
danielalonso said:
I have already updated with paradis g4 spl 3.09 it but to me it continues leaving spl 3.08 and it changes to me 1 splash with your face
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please if you need the old HTC Logo I'll attach it, but tell me did you have any error message?
what is the diference between 2.20 and 3.08,i mean functions?
the functions in 2.20 is for prophet hardware and 3.08 are for charmer hardware and there is of course defference between them
3.09 is for prophet hardware the same as 2.20 and you can stay with it for your prophet
I've seen slick **** here please reply, shall I let them flash SPL using pdocwrite
I have not received any mensage of error when flash my device PM320(htc s200) with paradis g4 only it appears to me in boot screen ipl 2.20 and spl 3.08
I have returned to flash my device with paradis g4 and to me it continues appearing spl 3,08 but now my device continues being pm320 tell me a solution if you know it, thanks. I feel my English I am Spanish
paradis i know that 3.08 is spl from charmer,but i don't understand why then someone ported it for prophet?what better i get with charmer spl?and what with prophet 2.20 spl?
i still have spl 3.08 saying on my G4,...
ok, I see, but strange if there is no error this should be SPL 3.09 with same functions of 2.20
I'll post soon the solution using pdocwrite, I'm at work now, but please hope that no one try it until we hear from slickdick the answer
waiting...
ok,it will hope to that you finish to the solution champion.
I already know how to write the spl using pdocwrite, but I'm afraid to post it
I need a reply from slickdick, it might brick your phone
pleasen read my first post, i don't have the strength to post it, even I know it will be your risk
give it a try man
I'll wait until Saturday if SlickDick didn't answer I'll post it, hope it will work
ok until Saturday then
does any one now how to lower the spl . when u start the ppc mine is 3.08 and i need it lower so i can unlock my phone
Well, my guess is that your phone is already unlocked if your SPL is 3.08.
Is is a G3 or G4 Wizard?
G3 But I Wont To Put Black Diamond On It
So just try to launch the setup for BD to know if it really isn't already unlocked (in case it is, the Rom will install, and if it isn't, then it just won't, so theres' no risk for your phone.
Ya It Says Like Bnf Error
So you just have to follow the Wiki:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=263116
i need to downgrade me spl first i no how to unlock it
So what? Can't you READ? Everything is written in there, including the way to downgrade.
Here is a link to the adequate Rom since you seem so lazy...
Good luck
http://c4software.another-team.com/wm5.0/Downgrade/CUSTOM__RUU_Wizard_1050412_WWE_101_11210_WWE.exe
lol im not lazy i have read so many tutorials on to unlock to phone
Just to forewarn you, do not install the downgrade ROM until you bring your IPL/SPL down from 3.08 to 2.xx. If you don't you may end up like a lot of other people on here where you can't upgrade the IPL after you get done unlocking your phone and go to install WM6. To get it down, just go to your service providers website and download their official version of their ROM and install it first and that should bring your IPL/SPL down to a 2.xx version, then flash the downgrade ROM.
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Just to forewarn you, do not install the downgrade ROM until you bring your IPL/SPL down from 3.08 to 2.xx. If you don't you may end up like a lot of other people on here where you can't upgrade the IPL after you get done unlocking your phone and go to install WM6. To get it down, just go to your service providers website and download their official version of their ROM and install it first and that should bring your IPL/SPL down to a 2.xx version, then flash the downgrade ROM.
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I did find one workaround that appears to almost always work is to have a minisd with a dumped raw image of a previous rom with ipl/spl included (r2d all command)...this was able to downgrade a phone on 3.08 back to 2.24 even after having gone to wm6. (it downgraded it back to wm5 at the same time)...conventional flashes were failing due to the ipl/spl.
ok thanks i will do that then i will unlock smart thinking
famewolf said:
I did find one workaround that appears to almost always work is to have a minisd with a dumped raw image of a previous rom with ipl/spl included (r2d all command)...this was able to downgrade a phone on 3.08 back to 2.24 even after having gone to wm6. (it downgraded it back to wm5 at the same time)...conventional flashes were failing due to the ipl/spl.
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Yeah, downgrading your IPL/SPL is easy, it's when you go from a 3.xx IPL/SPL straight to a 1.xx IPL/SPL that can cause problems, like your IPL sticking at 1.01 afterwards and not wanting to upgrade back to a higher IPL.
YA but i cant find a downgrade for my spl
In the future, don't send private messages to people who haven't contributed to this thread. If you can't figure out how to downgrade and/or unlock your phone after reading the many, many threads on how to do it, I suggest sticking with WM5.
Here, run this. It's an IPL/SPL version only. It won't affect anything you info or programs you have loaded on your phone right now, all it will do is lower you back down to an IPL/SPL of 2.26.
ya that made me ipl 2.26 not my spl
That's not normal, try running it again. I think I just put a file that will change it to 2.25 in another post that you started. If the 2.26 one doesn't work after running it again, try the 2.25 one and see if it works for you.
Just install a factory T-Mo or Cingular ROM
(Gotta locate 1 yourself)
You'll lose all your info but you wanted to flash another Rom anyway.
You gotta keep a factory Rom handy when things go wrong
cujo did you just buy an 8125 because you think it looks cool or do you actually understand the phone? It seems to me like you should be using a razr or something less complex than that...
It has been some time since I have been here and was wondering.
For someone who lives in California. AT&T
OS 1933
using TNT Build 18533.0.7.0
What is the best
Radio Version
IPL Version
SPI Version
to use. With the lease amount of errors.
And should I upgrade to the new TNT version? What is the benefits?
Thank you.
Firstly, taht is IPL and SPL, don't get it wrong.
IPL and SPL is currently at 3.08, which should be best for WM6 and WM6.1 OS ROMs.
For Radio, just use the one that get best reception as soon as it is 2.xx.
IPL & SPLfor Wizard G4
Could you please help to get latest IPL /SPL for G4 device
there is no ipl spl for g4 as far as i have seen of course i haven't been in wiz section much but dont flash any ipl spl my opinion possible bricking
ph03n1x said:
there is no ipl spl for g4 as far as i have seen of course i haven't been in wiz section much but dont flash any ipl spl my opinion possible bricking
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i second that .. no ipl/spl for g4 device except for olip version from hard spl ..
the radio is a network dependent selection .. choose from the ones in the ftp
i used almost all of them and the only one that worked perfect for me was the 2.19 .. find it in my signature
also i advice to use tnt rom .. also found in my signature .. it's great !
finally .. please dont brick ur device with ipl/spl installation ... it will brick it!
Hi guys.
I have this iMate Kjam (Not mine). It was with a T Mobile Official ROM and has IPL/SPL at v2.26. I checked and there was no G4 sign anywhere. Someone had to remove the CID thing to this. I downloaded several WM6 ROMs but once the complete flashing and the device reboots, I'm still in the T-Mobile ROM. I down-flashed to the age-old Button Love WM5 base ROM and here is the ROM status:
IPL: 1.01
SPL: 2.26
GSM: 1.12.10
OS: 1.5.4.2
If I upgrade from this point with, let's say, TNT5.0, here is what happens:
IPL: 1.01
SPL: 2.26
GSM: 1.12.10
OS: 1.5.4.2
Same right? but all the graphics change when booting. There is the HTC logo when device is turned on and there is the TNT 5.0 "BOOM" title when OS is loading (with the IPL/SPL/GSM/Radio)
Can someone tell me what is going on? HardSPL (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332320) clearly tells me that device is NOT G4
Doomer D. Great said:
Hi guys.
I have this iMate Kjam (Not mine). It was with a T Mobile Official ROM and has IPL/SPL at v2.26. I checked and there was no G4 sign anywhere. Someone had to remove the CID thing to this. I downloaded several WM6 ROMs but once the complete flashing and the device reboots, I'm still in the T-Mobile ROM. I down-flashed to the age-old Button Love WM5 base ROM and here is the ROM status:
IPL: 1.01
SPL: 2.26
GSM: 1.12.10
OS: 1.5.4.2
If I upgrade from this point with, let's say, TNT5.0, here is what happens:
IPL: 1.01
SPL: 2.26
GSM: 1.12.10
OS: 1.5.4.2
Same right? but all the graphics change when booting. There is the HTC logo when device is turned on and there is the TNT 5.0 "BOOM" title when OS is loading (with the IPL/SPL/GSM/Radio)
Can someone tell me what is going on? HardSPL (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332320) clearly tells me that device is NOT G4
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Update:
I was able to install the official T-Mobile ROM onto Button Love ROM. Here is the screen statistics:
IPL: 2.26
SPL: 2.26
GSM: 02.25.11
OS: 2.26.10.2
If I try to upgrade to WM6 now, nothing will happen as I've already tried. After the flash process, it will still be official TMobile...
What should I do now? If I compare the properties of this Wizard with my own, I'm pretty sure this should be a G4 device.
Flash Buttons ROM again and do a CID unlock. That's it! Have fun!
I have a G3, but I had to flash Button twice so that the IPL/SPL matched, then I unlocked and reflashed 2.26 stock (again be sure that IPL/SPL match numbers), then from there I joined rom flashers anonymous!
akashastrega said:
I have a G3, but I had to flash Button twice so that the IPL/SPL matched, then I unlocked and reflashed 2.26 stock (again be sure that IPL/SPL match numbers), then from there I joined rom flashers anonymous!
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Trying the Button Love ROM the third time... the SPL just won't drop... whats going on?
Cyberdyne said:
Flash Buttons ROM again and do a CID unlock. That's it! Have fun!
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The only avaliable HardSPL tool doesn't recognize the device as G4... so how do I forced CID unlock? I tried SoftSPL... but at that time, my IPL and SPL were different...
Lets face the situation
IF you have
IPL 2.26 or 1.xx
SPL 2.26 or 2.XX
You have a G3 device - forget do not use Hard SPL or Soft SPL, these are ONLY FOR G4 DEVICES
Since you have a G3 Device you have 2 options
If you have IPL 1.xx and SPL 2.xx . use WST (Wizard Service Tools) to unlock your CID device
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=329170
Note that only with IPL 1.xx you are hable to unlock your CID with WST
If you have IPL 2.xx and SPL 2.xx, than you must downgrade both to IPL/SPL 1.xx with an official ROM
Before you do something, install WST in you PC, and check the real situation of your device
Pisca said:
Lets face the situation
IF you have
IPL 2.26 or 1.xx
SPL 2.26 or 2.XX
You have a G3 device - forget do not use Hard SPL or Soft SPL, these are ONLY FOR G4 DEVICES
Since you have a G3 Device you have 2 options
If you have IPL 1.xx and SPL 2.xx . use WST (Wizard Service Tools) to unlock your CID device
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=329170
Note that only with IPL 1.xx you are hable to unlock your CID with WST
If you have IPL 2.xx and SPL 2.xx, than you must downgrade both to IPL/SPL 1.xx with an official ROM
Before you do something, install WST in you PC, and check the real situation of your device
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Excellent.
If I'm on Button Love ROM, I have IPL v1.x ad SPL v2.x
Should I upgrade to WM6 from here?
If not, then I have to upgrade to Officia T-Mobile ROm. Then IPL/SPL = v2.26 but WM6 won't flash...
Ah ! c'mon guys
Give this guy a break.
Doomer D. Great
Go read and fully undrstand this guide to CID unlock your phone and upgrade.
BTW,its a G3 phone you got there,forget anything about G4,you are only concern shud be regarding G3 device.
Doomer D. Great
Go read and fully undrstand this guide to CID unlock your phone and upgrade.
BTW,its a G3 phone you got there,forget anything about G4,you are only concern shud be regarding G3 device.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Wizard Windows Mobile 6 for newbies
zabardast_1 said:
Doomer D. Great
Go read and fully undrstand this guide to CID unlock your phone and upgrade.
BTW,its a G3 phone you got there,forget anything about G4,you are only concern shud be regarding G3 device.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Wizard Windows Mobile 6 for newbies
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Actually, I followed what Pisca said about using WT and it worked... in Button Love, I finally CID unlocked and upgraded to Official TMobile. Then TNT5.0. All Well
Thank you very much!
Problem solved
Doomer D. Great said:
Excellent.
If I'm on Button Love ROM, I have IPL v1.x ad SPL v2.x
Should I upgrade to WM6 from here?
If not, then I have to upgrade to Officia T-Mobile ROm. Then IPL/SPL = v2.26 but WM6 won't flash...
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Ok, if you are on IPL 1.xx and SPL 2.xx, you can use WST-Wizard Service Tool 4.2.2 to CID unlock
Then you should load a carrier ROm T-Mobile to get IPL/SPL 2.xx
But allways read as mentioned in the previous post
Doomer D. Great said:
Actually, I followed what Pisca said about using WT and it worked... in Button Love, I finally CID unlocked and upgraded to Official TMobile. Then TNT5.0. All Well
Thank you very much!
Problem solved
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Great forget my last post