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How to use softkeys on WM5 (especially Atom)?

Hi,
I'd like to buy an Atom, but I cannot find any real feedback on how usable the device is with one hand, lacking hardware button to map on the WM5 softkeys.
Can someone report if it is possible (and easy) to press the on-screen softkeys with one's thumb?
I'd like also answers from Wizard/Prophet owners, that can compare the usability of hardware vs on-screen buttons (but please do not participate in the poll).

arg0: you can press the softkeys on the screen, and if you have dedicated hardware keys you can of course press those. If you can't manually assign the softkeys to other non-dedicated hardware keys, tell me about it and I'll knock some thing up to sort it.
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vijay555 said:
arg0: you can press the softkeys on the screen, and if you have dedicated hardware keys you can of course press those. If you can't manually assign the softkeys to other non-dedicated hardware keys, tell me about it and I'll knock some thing up to sort it.
V
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hi!
What I'd like to know is: can you easily press the softkeys on the screen, using only one hand? (atom has no hardware buttons for the softkeys, and before buying it I want to be sure that one-handed operation is possible).
Thanks.

you can do it, but it's not easy because at least on the equivalent device (magician), the edge of the device tends to get in the way of the softkeys, which are like 7mm high. But it's perfectly feasible, and in the absense of dedicated keys, why not!?
None of these phones are particularly well setup for one handed use, but with some work, can be made that way!
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vijay555,
thanks for the answer!
This is the first real user feedback I get about this.
I hope now that some Atom user will report, too.

I have been using the ATOM for the past 1 month and I have always used my thumb to activate the Softkey on the screen
it is much more comfortable that way
The ATOM is too small to use the bottom key (o2 media plus key ) as soft key (only key that can be reassigned in the front panel )
Also U cannot re map the Windows key as of now

I have been using the ATOM for the past 1 month and I have always used my thumb to activate the Softkey on the screen
it is much more comfortable that way
The ATOM is too small to use the bottom key (o2 media plus key ) as soft key (only key that can be reassigned in the front panel )
Also U cannot re map the Windows key as of now

Guys, can you not assign the Softkeys to hardware keys?
I could write an app to do that...
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stargator said:
I have been using the ATOM for the past 1 month and I have always used my thumb to activate the Softkey on the screen
it is much more comfortable that way
The ATOM is too small to use the bottom key (o2 media plus key ) as soft key (only key that can be reassigned in the front panel )
Also U cannot re map the Windows key as of now
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Thanks, good to know that that can be done.
What are the hardware buttons that can be remapped?
I read in a review that four hardware buttons can be remaped:
that should be "o2 media plus", "camera", "voice note".
What is the fourth? Power?

hi,please help me: hardware buttons probl + question

hi, i just realized that my green and red answer/hung up buttons don't work,it's a rom bug?(i've the last one in italian installed)
can i map other buttons to make them work as answer/hung up buttons?

You can use VJKeyPress to emulate them. However, this sounds like a bad hardware fault, or a very odd bug. Check it carefully before considering other solutions.
V

can you please tell me how does it works?i don't understand so much reading from the web site description....can i assign to the contact button the answer function?(I think it's an hardware problem...you are right...)

what is the key for the red button?
can i link a shortcut created to an hardware button?

dpad buttons
all my dpad buttons dont work. apart from the send button which works as the end button. i dropped my mda compact smashed the screen and facia.and cried i had a :roll: barred :twisted: charmer so i swapped the screen and facia (dark grey) and it came back to life. then i found some 1 who wanted the charmer motherboard, :lol: so i sold it. now i have to send my dpad to isreal because they arent the same. i know what u r thinking how does this help us...... i just wanted to share it with u

Latest esmertec jbed soft key issues

I have tried a number of different jblend and jbed versions to launch java games on my touch dual. Almost all of them either produced errors, didnt launch or install the java files. I finally found one that worked which was a version of jbed called JRebeiro Esmertec Jbed which has a build ID: 20071119.3.1. This one launched all the java files perfectly.....
However, the only problem now is that I can't use the soft keys! I can use the D-pad and the keypad (numbers) to navigate through the menus, but the left/right soft keys don't work. For example, if I run Need for speed pro street, the first option is whether or not to enable sound. The 'yes' and 'no' icons show, but I cant select either soft key so I cant continue!!
I tried searching the forum and read through the whole 'midlet bible' thing but didnt find anything conclusive!
Does anyone know a solution? or even a midlet manager that has the soft keys working?

fl4r3 said:
I have tried a number of different jblend and jbed versions to launch java games on my touch dual. Almost all of them either produced errors, didnt launch or install the java files. I finally found one that worked which was a version of jbed called JRebeiro Esmertec Jbed which has a build ID: 20071119.3.1. This one launched all the java files perfectly.....
However, the only problem now is that I can't use the soft keys! I can use the D-pad and the keypad (numbers) to navigate through the menus, but the left/right soft keys don't work. For example, if I run Need for speed pro street, the first option is whether or not to enable sound. The 'yes' and 'no' icons show, but I cant select either soft key so I cant continue!!
I tried searching the forum and read through the whole 'midlet bible' thing but didnt find anything conclusive!
Does anyone know a solution? or even a midlet manager that has the soft keys working?
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Strange, in my 3.1 copy (did you use the same as me? http://www.winmobiletech.com/092007MidletBible/JRebeiro_EsmertecJbed_20071119.3.1.zip ) works just great on my (several) Pocket PC's.
If it doesn't work at all, get Cloudyfa's 2.1: http://www.winmobiletech.com/092007MidletBible/Jbed.zip

First of all, thanks for the reply.
I had the same versions as you just showed and I had also previously tried Cloudyfa's version too. I tried out the ones you posted anyway just to be safe but I had the same problem on both...no soft keys. (BTW, The soft key buttons on screen work in the Jbed main screen, its just when I launch a java game that I cant select or use the soft keys).
What buttons do you use as the soft keys?
The only buttons left on my touch dual apart from the number pad is the start and end call buttons, the navigation/D pad, the volume up and down keys and the camera button. Only the navigation/d-pad buttons seem to when I launch a game in Jbed, but the other keys function as normal (if i press the call button, the phone dialer appears, or if i press the camera button, it launches the camera).
So are the soft key buttons on the touchscreen (icons shown on the touchscreen) meant to work? Or is the touch dual lacking the necessary buttons?

fl4r3 said:
First of all, thanks for the reply.
I had the same versions as you just showed and I had also previously tried Cloudyfa's version too. I tried out the ones you posted anyway just to be safe but I had the same problem on both...no soft keys. (BTW, The soft key buttons on screen work in the Jbed main screen, its just when I launch a java game that I cant select or use the soft keys).
What buttons do you use as the soft keys?
The only buttons left on my touch dual apart from the number pad is the start and end call buttons, the navigation/D pad, the volume up and down keys and the camera button. Only the navigation/d-pad buttons seem to when I launch a game in Jbed, but the other keys function as normal (if i press the call button, the phone dialer appears, or if i press the camera button, it launches the camera).
So are the soft key buttons on the touchscreen (icons shown on the touchscreen) meant to work? Or is the touch dual lacking the necessary buttons?
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oic. I've always used hardware buttons; no wonder in-game softkeys don't work (they aren't supposed to).
use a button redefiner; for example, AEBPlus, to map left/right softkey functionality to the existing buttons (for example, Camera)

Thanks for that. I finally solved it!
I went and got AEBplus like you said and I noticed it showed the left and right soft keys eventhough there arent any on the touch dual. Then I went to check the actual buttons option in the windows setting tab and found that I can map some of the shortcut buttons as left/right soft keys! Everything works perfectly now. Just got to find the right buttons to map the left/right soft keys.
Finally solved that problem! I'm surprised no one mentioned this anywhere else.....probably because its a touch dual specific problem.

other jbed issue
i haven't had any problems with softkeys but i am having an issue with sound. if i dont disable sound the program crashes. i've tried several versions of jbed. im using moto q. any suggestions or fixes?

goodst0ry said:
i haven't had any problems with softkeys but i am having an issue with sound. if i dont disable sound the program crashes. i've tried several versions of jbed. im using moto q. any suggestions or fixes?
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must be a moto q-specific issue - i haven't encountered anything like this on my Smartphones

Vibration Jbed Dont work

How to assign numpad values to play java games?
some games like gangster and prince of persia needs the nampad values 0 and 1 etc., how can it played in jbed in ppc wm5(dopod 818 pro 195mhz omap processor full touch and no qwerty keyboard)
please help me ... adavance thanks...

Picodrive Keymapping

2 problems with picodrive. The directional buttens are screwed up. left is up en up is right and so on. I have solved this myself no prob just keep on trying finding the right button.
Next problem is with the ABC buttons of Picodrive. Al the alfabethical keys are mapped to the same keyadress so A=> 0xe5 B=> 0xe5
They al have the same function in picodrive.
Is this a problem regarding the Touch Pro or with picodrive or with a windows setting

somebody else on here has mentioned exactly the same problem with another emulator, so I guess the Touchpro somehow represents it's buttons as the same, either that or what you are seeing is the response from the touch screen not from the button (as was proved in another thread the whole area is touch sensitive not just the screen) in which case turning off the touch feature might sort you out.

Its not the screen im talking about. It is the keyboard.

same with final burn
have the same problem with finalburn (mame emulator). Every key from the keyboard except the directional keys, enter and 2-3 others is beeing mapped / recognized as 0xe5
does somebody has a fix?

Besides that problem - has anyone been able to play either of those emulators to evaluate speed?
I'm concerned that the Qualcomm processor coupled with the VGA screen will result in slow performance.
I'm debating getting this phone, but wouldn't want to if it's too much of a drop off from my 6700.

The speed isn't a problem. Runs flawlessy. The applications are still buggy under some other aspects. But I wouldn't buy myself a device in order to run these emus. There are cheaper ones on the market.

Back to the problem with the keymapping...
I hard resetted the device and skipped the extended rom installation. The problem with the keymapping is still there. Therefore I can exclude the applications in the extended rom causing this problem.
Anyone some advices, fixes or workarounds?

no key mapping
key mapping is weird yes.
Mate of mine has the tytn II with a pocketSNES i loved it And i was in need for a new phone... HTC touch pro / raphael / MDA vario IV was a phone i really looked out fore for a while nice design etc etc etc ... just the key mapping for an emulator is a big .. down for me
Any fixes?

same problem here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420159
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425646

SOLUTION HERE: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2703133&postcount=3

Wake up Topaz with front buttons

I've been searhing a week now, all the internet, all this forum, and i still can't believe nobody didn't need (or think) to wake the Diamond 2 with some other button then power button? I tried all that i found on this forum, like key remapper programs (they are really good programs and usi it), but they do not work when phone is in stand by. I'm using the phone also as navigator on motorcycle, so i have the phone in the transparent top pocket, and need to wake up the phone with front buttons. Is it inpossible? Before on omnia i had this possibility in control panel, but disapointed, that htc didn't make it? Hope someone has an idea how could be done this...or is it actually so simple, and i didn't figure it how? Please, someone help me, i like this phone a lot. I have the essential rom installed at the moment, if this help. Thanks.

have not tried it - but TD2 Tools has an 'Any Key WakeUp'-Option

changing HKCU\controlpanel\Keybd\DefaultKeyLock from 1 to 0
easy one!