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Brief question on Agile Messenger

Is Agile Messenger free as far as IMs or is every IM changed as a text?
Can someone please explain this to me before I spend 45 dollars for it. Thanks in advance.

Your paying for the software. IM's are free to send and receive.

cymru said:
Your paying for the software. IM's are free to send and receive.
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thanks..so as long as i buy the softwae thats it?

Agile uses Data
Agile messenger is different from OEM messengers in that they use your EDGE/GPRS/Ev-DO/UMTS/HSDPA connection to transfer data to the servers directly (like your IM clients on your PC or whatever) instead of via SMS/MMS (like IM clients on other cell phones do). Pretty much, you're paying for the software. Provided you've got a data plan, you're not paying for anything else (unless you go over your data limits, but that's between you and your cell provider)

You only pay for getting a licence of the software. It doesn't affect your IM messages, the only thing you'll pay for messaging will be to your GPRS provider

Push email for a reasonable price

Hey guys, just got my Kaiser and flat rate data and was wanting to get full push email sorted out, but I am a consumer not a business so found it hard to get one, especially with decent spam filtering.
I eventually found http://www.exchangemymail.com/ - they do single user 200MB exchange mailboxes for $9.99 a month (£5 for me - yay!) and chuck in Postini spam filtering and wireless activesync and a copy of outlook 2007 for your desktop for free!
Very easy setup, I now have blackberry-style wireless syncing of mail / contacts / calendar on my HTC phone which absolutely rocks! The web interface is great too, very web 2.0, almost like using a local outlook client, and that's coming from someone who isn't exaclty M$'s biggest fan...
I have my own domain and just redirected my email address to one they gave me, but they will allow you to point your MX at them.
The only downside really for me is that live support is US hours only, so no support till like 2PM (I dunno, maybe they have out of hours via email, but if email is the problem...), but if it were hosted in the UK you bet I would be paying £10 a month not $10 a month...
No minimum contract too. Someone yell if they know of a better deal

Try mail2web.com its totaly free

sebi112 said:
Try mail2web.com its totaly free
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Thanks for that one.

try www.port88.org
you can have it free or pay a little amount and you will plus, plus...
i am enjoying it's free service.

if u going to pay, get the real thing, crackberry service! haha
no, i dont use it, i'm way too poor currently! haha
try emoze.com, u get your gmail within 2minutes!

lukeap69 said:
try www.port88.org
you can have it free or pay a little amount and you will plus, plus...
i am enjoying it's free service.
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Great find! 350MB too! Looks like I may be moving to port88.org then
I think the free email hosting will do me for now, but if I like it, I may move my domain hosting in and donate the $50.
Though I will have to see how effective Postini is with exchangemymail. I would happily pay £5 a month for top notch spam filtering to my mobile account alone - I have had this email address for pretty much 20 yrs now and it is on a lot of spam lists...
Sure I could set up my own mail server with spamassassin or whatever, but to be frank, not sure I can be arsed.

Emoze push mail cross platform solution
just try free emoze solution discovered on LDCWeb2.0 must have WM5 applications list

Push email service from $3 a month

Hey guys im using an exchange push mail service from www.drmorley.com
They charge $3 a month for a 200meg mailbox with push email support. Whats even nicer is that when you send mail form for instance mine is [email protected] you attach an alias for instance [email protected] so mail sent from the drmorley account looks like its sent directly form your gmail account. I applied for it and i was all setup and go in less than 2 hours. It support push mail for pocket pc and blackberry support. Please have a look. He is looking at setting up cluster/load balancing support so even if one mail server goes down there will be a backup in place without any downtime.
Try them and leave some feedback. He even supplies a certificate for WM5 devices foc.

Hi, I thought I'd share a bit about my setup.
About my Hardware/Setup:
My servers are a pair of Dell 2950 PowerEdge server with 2Ghz Xeon Dual Core processors and 8GB of RAM. They've got about 500GB of storage in a RAID5 array with a spare hot swap drive just in case a drive starts acting up. I can pull it out and enable the spare within a hour ensure the data survives. A full backup is done daily and once a week the backup file gets offloaded to a remote datacenter just as a precaution. I also have backup MX servers that will archive 1GB of mail for up to 14 days in the event of a major outage. The servers themselves are colocated in a datacenter in Chicago where I live. I purchase colo space from SteadFast Networks which is located in an Equinix datacenter. The servers are hooked into a 100MB connection so bandwidth is not an issue.
I'm sorry, but I do not offer any SharePoint services or public folders. I didn't think I had the time or resources to adequately offer it so I chose not to offer it.
I have an economy plan for $3/month (paid yearly) that includes:
• 200MB Storage
• 10 aliases (ability to use your own domain)
• Outlook Anywhere, Activesync (Direct Push for Windows Mobile Devices), OWA
• POP3 & IMAP Access
• Antivirus Scanning (inbound & outbound) - Provided by Forefront Security for Exchange
• Entourage support for Macs
• iPhone Support (via IMAP)
The $5/month plan comes with a mediocre spam filter that I offer for free. It does an okay job, but if you really get a lot of spam (100+/day) then you'll want something better. I do pride myself on offering one of the best anti-spam solutions out there. After a lot of testing and research I found that no single spam filter could really do a fantastic job of filtering spam. So I went with a two tier approach. On the edge of my network I use Postini to filter the bulk spam that most filters catch easily. My users can administrate it themselves and whitelist/blacklist as they see fit. The second layer of protection is Cloudmark SPAM filter for Exchange. It's a server side solution and when used in conjunction with the Postini eliminates 99.9% of spam. The best part is that the false positive ratio with Cloudmark is nearly flawless. Ham will never be filtered as Spam--as a business class user you can't afford to miss an important client email. With Cloudmark spam filtering you don't have to worry about false positives.
As it relates to mobile phones (blackberries and windows mobile devices) the spam filtering is done BEFORE the mail hits your inbox to spam won't continually be sent to your mobile phone.
Here's how my pricing works. I had to change it recently to due changes in some of the licensing fees I have to pay to MSFT and Cloudmark.
• $5/Mailbox Includes:
• 1GB Storage
• unlimited aliases (for up to three domains)
• Antivirus Scanning (inbound & outbound) - Provided by Forefront Security for Exchange
• Postini SPAM Filter
• Outlook Anywhere, Activesync (Direct Push for Windows Mobile Devices), OWA
• POP3 & IMAP Access
• Entourage support for Macs
• iPhone Support (via IMAP)
Additional Services:
• Cloudmark Anti Spam Technology - $3/month to cover licensing fees
• Blackberry Support - $10month
• Additional Storage $1/month per extra GB of storage
I hope this answers some of your initial questions. Please let me know if you have any additional questions. I can be reached at frank at frankmorley dot com
I don't have a formal terms of service, but I reserve the right to disable your account if I feel you've been using my service to spam. I went through great pains to make sure email from my domain is accepted by other mail servers and if I feel you are jeopardizing things for others you will be banned immediately no questions asked. I will refund your money, but your account will be locked up and you will be permanently banned.

why not use mail2web.com ? it's FREE

i use mail2web too, is a good free service
push mail powa

how 'bout emoze? it's free and works with OWA prettttyyy good.

I really like the idea of your spam filtering thats probably my biggest complaint with my current setup but looking at your plans the only way to get both spam filtering is pretty much $8 a month correct?
Can you tell me what the OWA addy is just so I can see if my works websense blocks it or not?

I have a question about the push email. With this type of solution how does the push email work? Does it send a SMS msg to force checking of the account or is it connected all the time?
Just curious as my current solution stays connected all the time and is a drain on battery life.

mail2web ISN'T free if you want to use your own reply-to address.

Does Outlook everywhere support HTML email?

Mail2web is a nice service but does not provide HTML support cause they are still using Exchange 2003 SP2. I talked to a technical guy and there's no plan to upgrade to 2007 which support HTML. Only Executive plan is using Exchange 2007a nd in this case you have to pay!
Otherwise, the live2web (Free service) is working fine but without HTML read format.
Cheers!
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i use mail2web too, is a good free service
push mail powa
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epimazzo said:
Mail2web is a nice service but does not provide HTML support cause they are still using Exchange 2003 SP2. I talked to a technical guy and there's no plan to upgrade to 2007 which support HTML. Only Executive plan is using Exchange 2007a nd in this case you have to pay!
Otherwise, the live2web (Free service) is working fine but without HTML read format.
Cheers!
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Look here : http://www.exchangemailhosting.com
Unlimited domain alias, unlimited e-mail alias , unlimited storage and fully Exchange 2007:
This mean OWA,ActiveSyncPush,OutlookAnywhere, HTML support etc etc
Cost around 9$ per month

MrDSL said:
I really like the idea of your spam filtering thats probably my biggest complaint with my current setup but looking at your plans the only way to get both spam filtering is pretty much $8 a month correct?
Can you tell me what the OWA addy is just so I can see if my works websense blocks it or not?
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mail2web has a spam filter.

Everyone has a spam filter..
Anyways, yes mail2web is free but you get mail2web at the end of your address, this is no go for some people.
His $3 a month plan is right up my alley, that is a perfect plan for a user such as myself.

nahguam said:
mail2web has a spam filter.
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They all have spam filters but I need a real one and his sounds pretty good..

MrDSL said:
They all have spam filters but I need a real one and his sounds pretty good..
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horses for courses... I actually asked mail2web to disable it because it kept blocking legitimate emails. I don't get very much spam at all though (maybe 2-3 per month) so it's fine.

nahguam said:
horses for courses... I actually asked mail2web to disable it because it kept blocking legitimate emails. I don't get very much spam at all though (maybe 2-3 per month) so it's fine.
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Lucky you I get that per hour easy..

Sounds like a nice deal @ $3 bucks a month..... I have mail2web, but it doesn't support HTML. So I quit using it. I just forward my everything to my gmail and have my phone check every 10min. But for $3 I think it's a steal.
Thanks for the great offer!
P.S. Your server does support HTML? How about outlook calendar? Please let me know.
Chris

Is there a link for the $3/month plan? All I see is the $5 and the $13. I'm currently using mail2web and the aliases and outlook 2007 is making me think about switching

How does the Exchange Activesync affect battery life? Do you notice a big change?

MrDSL said:
Lucky you I get that per hour easy..
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Try 3-4k a day....
I spent two years researching and testing different spam filters. For those of you than manage your own mail servers Cloudmark offers some of the best protection out there and their false positive ratio is nearly flawless. Worth every penny if you ask me.

Does MSN Live Messenger use internet or SMS?

Greetings,
When I purchased my ADP1 for here in Australia I was disappointed at first that the IM client did not come with MSN/Windows Live Messenger like it's T-Mobile G1 bretheren. But I was less upset when I read that the MSN client actually sends SMS's instead of using the internet. Unfortunately I can't find any post confirming/denying this!?
Can someone please confirm this if it is true? Because the JFv1.41 with RC33 installed on my ADP1 has it available under IM, and although somewhat slow to load up (I do have many contacts) it looks/feels as though its on the internet... I am still paranoid I will end up with a bill for thousands of dollars due to SMS's overseas to T-Mobile.
Cheers
Leon
PS. And for that matter can someone also confirm AIM and Yahoo! is not sending via SMS but rather internet? It may seem silly, but peace of mind for many I'm sure.

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here is the answer...
from how I get charged, i honestly can see that it is BOTH text message and data because u need data/internet to access those messenger services and each message u enter in msn live or aim counts as a text message.
thankfully for me, i have family unlimited texting and internet/data plan for my phone... but those messenger usually lags unless u are on 3G or some better connection.

Is that for RC30 and RC8 or just RC30? I thought it just used data.

TommyPickles said:
Greetings,
When I purchased my ADP1 for here in Australia I was disappointed at first that the IM client did not come with MSN/Windows Live Messenger like it's T-Mobile G1 bretheren. But I was less upset when I read that the MSN client actually sends SMS's instead of using the internet. Unfortunately I can't find any post confirming/denying this!?
Can someone please confirm this if it is true? Because the JFv1.41 with RC33 installed on my ADP1 has it available under IM, and although somewhat slow to load up (I do have many contacts) it looks/feels as though its on the internet... I am still paranoid I will end up with a bill for thousands of dollars due to SMS's overseas to T-Mobile.
Cheers
Leon
PS. And for that matter can someone also confirm AIM and Yahoo! is not sending via SMS but rather internet? It may seem silly, but peace of mind for many I'm sure.
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The Y! and AIM apps have always been through SMS on TMo builds for all of their phones. I've heard conflicting reports about MSN though but I would put money on the bulk of it being through SMS. Honestly though, IM through SMS is terrible and has been for years. It's laggy, never up to date and loves to double and triple sends messages. It's the price you pay for not having a data plan.

I know palringo is working on a android app. it is in beta now, they use data only.
http://forum.palringo.com/en/gb/forum/discussion-rooms/enhancement-requests/android-t1350

TimSykes said:
I know palringo is working on a android app. it is in beta now, they use data only.
http://forum.palringo.com/en/gb/forum/discussion-rooms/enhancement-requests/android-t1350
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I've been quietly waiting for these guys as well but at this rate they are turning into another Cerulean Studios. Soon™.

HAHA good point.

TimSykes said:
HAHA good point.
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Joking aside they do have a solid product but at this point I'm just tired of waiting indefinitely. Although, as a G1 owner I should be used to this by now.

Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.

vr24 said:
Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
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Do you know anything about Australian cellular providers or the OP? No? I didn't think so. If you have nothing to add then move on without brain vomiting on the Post button.

Do I get that right: Every IM messenger from market sends out sms instead of data messages as it normally should? So Hello AIM, Membo IM etc. too?

no the g1 built in IM program uses SMS. Hello AIM uses the internet connection.

Oh, thank god. I was confused by this "The Y! and AIM apps have always been through SMS on TMo builds for all of their phones"....
Thx!

vr24 said:
Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
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with the g1 plan you get unlimited data, and I think 400 messaging. Or people like myself who dont use the g1 plan have unlimited data, and no messaging but still use t-mobile.

I'm on JF 1.41 RC8 and I just used my prepaid sim in my G1 and chatted on msn for a bit then sent 1 text messages afterwards.
It only deducted the credit for my 1 sms afterwards so I'm fairly confident the IM app (at least Live Messenger) just uses data.

You can use all messengers (aol, icq, msn etc) through standard gtalk application. Just configure jabber transport from other network to gtalk server. Instructions can be googled easily (here an example: http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/general-other-im-news/33739-connect-google-talk-aim-msn-yahoo.html)

Live Messenger Problem
Running the latest JesusFreke RC8 update, with the extra IM clients built into it, and I am receiving the following error when I try to sign into Live Messenger:
Unable to sign into the MSN service. Please try again later.
(Detail: Sorry, the phone number cannot be read from your sim card. Please contact your operator for help).
I have the phone on a T-Mobile contract, and I ported my number over from another network when I got the phone.
Any ideas on what could cause this problem?

Someone on another forum said they could only get live messenger to work while on wifi. Dont know if that helps.
Are you using the stock im apps? They use sms texts to send not data. This might be the problem you are having.

Yes, I am using the stock IM apps. Are there better alternatives?

question about IM apps.

if im gonna use, for example, an IM app like windows live messenger, will it count in the messaging plan? or the data plan? how about third party apps like Fring?
P.S. im in USA. thanks.

It's not like sending sms, so it uses your data plan

yah, but im a little confused because it says sms, mms, pic msg, and IM in the messaging plan. so i guess i need more comments from at&t, or t-mobile users.

if you use the built in app. If you use a third party IM client like Slick, it just uses the Dataconnection, your provider has basically no chance knowing what you do on that connection, and of course it can not count as SMS if it is not sent that way.
a lot of IM clients that come pre installed on devices use SMS for sending IMs, solely to generate income. But basically all third parties you can download from the net use the data network and will only use a few kilobytes a day.

wow thanks. exactly the answer im looking for.
another question. how about windows live messenger? it's not pre-installed but it was recommended. hmmm