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Hi guys
I've read a few similar requestes from others regarding playing .avi files on XDA/MDA pocket PC.
I have quite a few full length films in .avi format, abot 700mb each.
What software can I use to play these on my MDA3? I have a 1Gig SD card so shouldn't be a problem storing them.
I tried RealPlayer for pocket PC but that wouldn't play them. I have seen mention of BetaPlayer. Did a search for that and found 1000's of hits but none I downloaded would install!!!
Any help appreciated
John
i never had any problems with beta player
http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com/en/index.php?soft=1080
make sure it's arm / xcale you get
I'm using v0.04 and find it very good. I use the vidx codec for encoding rather than divx - should be in nemo codec pack. Though you might have problems playing AVIs intended for the desktop - I encode the AVIs for PPC with a max res at 320x240. Though to be honest I don't think I've tried to play desktop AVIs on my PPC.
Cheers guys,
I can get to the site http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com/en/index.php?soft=1080 no problem BUT when I click <Download ( ARM/XSCALE )> I get a message saying hang on 3 seconds and you'll be redirected but it never happens!
It may be a problem my end as I have noticed some problems acting some sites.
I'll search for it elsewhere.
Thanks
John
Attached is v0.04 that I downloaded a while back
I convert them to WMV using Windows Media Encoder (free download from Windows Media area of MS Website) and just play them in WMPlayer on PPC.
Done a 300Mb AVI the other day, using the Pocket PC defaults option in WM Encoder, just changed the output resolution to 320x240 (XDAIIs Widescreen) and it compressed down to about 40Mb.
Perfect picture quality and Audio.
Thanks for the replies guys
How long did it take to re-encode the file down to 40Mb?
John
About 1hr, although this was on a not over powerful IBM laptop (P3 1Ghz 512mb ram)
I'm sure this would be cut down drastically on a decent desktop as the WMVEncoder seems to be quite CPU hungry
datasafe said:
I have quite a few full length films in .avi format, abot 700mb each.
John
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Your movies really shouldn't be that big.
Convert them to the right resolution for your PDA using Pocket DivX Player.
Perhaps they'll come to about 200MB.
Anyone can tell me which one is the best for us in term of file size, video and audio quality for PocketPC (especially O2 XDA II mini) device before I convert all my DVD to .mpg or to .wmf.
Thank you in advance
Arto.
Cheers again,
Yup, I did compress my avi files and ended up with just unde 200mb providing good quality when viewd on the MDA.
The conversion was quite quick - about 30mins or so, I was thinking it might have been an overnight job!
John
A lot of movies are coming out with digital copies & they are all in WMV format but our players don't support it.
I tried searching but all I found was the plugin for TCPMP, which didn't work too well. Anyway I would like to know if there is a plugin for WMP on our phones? I have a few of these digital copies & I would like to put them on my storage card for those boring days at work. If anyone has a plugin or a solution, I would really appreciate it.
Where are the movies?? Anyways, CorePlayer should play them, about $25 directly from CoreCodec, which should be cheap for you judging by your avatar !
What are you talking about? Windows Media Player plays WMV files. it's already on your phone.
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What are you talking about? Windows Media Player plays WMV files. it's already on your phone.
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Talking about certain codecs not included in WMP, so you need a different player. Most videos can't be played through WMP.
Thanks for the reply. I was hoping to not have to buy anything new but you gotta do what you gotta do. Anyway, a new question... if I buy this coreplayer will it do everything tcpmp does or do I have to keep tcpmp on my Kaiser?
As far as the movies... I have Juno & AVPr right now but a lot of movies come with an extra disc right now that you can download it from... Look for it on the cover, it says digital copy right on it
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Thanks for the reply. I was hoping to not have to buy anything new but you gotta do what you gotta do. Anyway, a new question... if I buy this coreplayer will it do everything tcpmp does or do I have to keep tcpmp on my Kaiser?
As far as the movies... I have Juno & AVPr right now but a lot of movies come with an extra disc right now that you can download it from... Look for it on the cover, it says digital copy right on it
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Cool, I have to check out my friend's DVD collection . Anyways, CorePlayer does all the main functions of TCPMP, but a bit better, and I personally like the looks of it better. It has the YouTube function built-in, but currently you have a limited number of results, so if your looking for a specific video, you must type a lot. I use CorePlayer as my main video player, and still keep TCPMP with the FLV bundle to watch video directly from the web.
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Cool, I have to check out my friend's DVD collection . Anyways, CorePlayer does all the main functions of TCPMP, but a bit better, and I personally like the looks of it better. It has the YouTube function built-in, but currently you have a limited number of results, so if your looking for a specific video, you must type a lot. I use CorePlayer as my main video player, and still keep TCPMP with the FLV bundle to watch video directly from the web.
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Sweet I been reading up on it since you suggested it & I'm sold on it now. Thanks I hope it plays these movies. I'll let you know as soon as I got it all set up
WACK!!! Same thing as tcpmp... Granted, it looks better but its the same outcome. The video will start but it won't play. It starts loading & then it stays like that forever. Occassionally it plays a clip of the sound but only a fraction of a second
Any tips for the settings to change Champ?
I've got the LG G2x. I reckon the battery won't sustain watching a movie or tv show. But I'm game to try!
I see that I can rent movies from Android App Market but unless i am mistaken these are streaming. I travel often for business and would like to watch a movie or tv show on the plane without paying for wifi on the plane. Plus it is not available on all flights.
So how can I download content to the Android phone and watch it not streaming?
I've researched some and most threads talk about pirating and converting, etc. I'm looking for legal and easy.
Thanks in advance!
Well you can still purchase dvd's...either standard or blu-ray and rip the movie onto your computer as a backup, and it's 100% legal. Then you can buy a program that will convert the file into a more compressed format...again, legal. Then you can purchase a large sdmicro card to put the file onto your phone. Then you can find an app on market that plays the file format you have converted to.
All of this would be legal. Now the specifics on HOW to do it, are a bit more complicated, and you would really be better served doing some research on forums dedicated to video converting.
Personally, I use a program called AnyDVDHD for the ripping part. Then I use Pavtube for the converting part...I like it because it lets me specifically choose container type, audio bitrate, video bitrate, etc...it's more customizeable than others that I've tried. As far as playing the converted video on the phone, I use Moboplayer or Arcmedia, depending on the file.
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Well you can still purchase dvd's...either standard or blu-ray and rip the movie onto your computer as a backup, and it's 100% legal. Then you can buy a program that will convert the file into a more compressed format...again, legal. Then you can purchase a large sdmicro card to put the file onto your phone. Then you can find an app on market that plays the file format you have converted to.
All of this would be legal. Now the specifics on HOW to do it, are a bit more complicated, and you would really be better served doing some research on forums dedicated to video converting.
Personally, I use a program called AnyDVDHD for the ripping part. Then I use Pavtube for the converting part...I like it because it lets me specifically choose container type, audio bitrate, video bitrate, etc...it's more customizeable than others that I've tried. As far as playing the converted video on the phone, I use Moboplayer or Arcmedia, depending on the file.
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What file type are you converting too? also whats best for phones? audio and video bitrates?
http://handbrake.fr/
For all your video-converting needs. Windows /Mac /Linux
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Most dvd's and blue ray's are now are coming with a digital copy. I guess they include this as a option for people like you.
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DVD Catalyst is the best IMO.
So no easy way it seems. I guess this is another reason iPhones are so expensive!
Opera Mini will download streaming videos. You can go to youtube and search for free movies, they got some good ones such as "They Live" and the last one I just watched "Sex & Consequences", or just go to any other site that streams video and you can download it using Opera Mini browser to watch at your convenience. Simple...
EDIT: in order to download from youtube you need to change to desktop view. Scroll all the way to the bottom of the site from within opera mini then choose desktop.
Handbrake for the win! Pop in a DVD, select the output method hit start, 30 mins later your dvd has been ripped to you desired video format, best of all it is totally free for both Mac and PC
I ripped some of my favorite movies from my DVD collection into AVI..bought an 8GB Class 10 Micro SD card = total of 16GB... and transfered 10 movies into there... if I get bored I just delete and put another movie in there...
Does anyone know of a way of watching videos that are saved on my PC's harddrive on my phone via WiFi? It seems like this should be reasonably simple to do.
Thanks
Get MyMediaWP7 on the marketplace and have tversity on your pc. Great app.
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TVersity Pro (only this one have some sense) is buggy and extremely pricey. $70 for "household" license - what these guys are thinking?.. Also, Pro version out of box can transcode not more than 10% of my media (HDTV video rips).
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TVersity Pro (only this one have some sense) is buggy and extremely pricey. $70 for "household" license - what these guys are thinking?.. Also, Pro version out of box can transcode not more than 10% of my media (HDTV video rips).
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Huh? The OP was asking for a possibility to stream media from his home PC to his WP7 device. So why would it need TVersity Pro? I use the free server and the trial on my WP7. Streaming works absolutely fine even over 3G.
Free version can do "on the fly" transcoding for WP7? What kind of videos works fine on your PC (bitrate, dimensions, containers), and what is your's PC CPU? I've tried to transcode "on the fly" full HD rips packed to mkv (dual core P4, 2.8 GHz) - no luck at all.
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Free version can do "on the fly" transcoding for WP7? What kind of videos works fine on your PC (bitrate, dimensions, containers), and what is your's PC CPU? I've tried to transcode "on the fly" full HD rips packed to mkv (dual core P4, 2.8 GHz) - no luck at all.
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Most videos are simple divX encoded avi files. Transcoding works absolutely fine for me. Of course I wouldn't even try to watch a full HD RIP. Way too much data for transcoding and streaming on the fly.
Remote Potato 1.x and higher can be installed on computers running Windows XP or higher and no longer requires a Windows Media Center to work. There are several apps on Marketplace that can stream video files from Remote Potato to Windows Phone 7.
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Remote Potato 1.x and higher can be installed on computers running Windows XP or higher and no longer requires a Windows Media Center to work. There are several apps on Marketplace that can stream video files from Remote Potato to Windows Phone 7.
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I thought that this seemed the most viable of the solutions, but Smart Potato doesn't seem to have any option anywhere to view videos, and Media Buddy fails to play anything giving errors.
And the server doesn't have an option to only allow local connections, which I think it should. Granted I can fix that in my firewall, but that's not the point.
I couldn't try the TVersity solution, even though MyMedia WP7 looks excellent, because I didn't accept their licence agreement.
Does anyone know of any solutions that work? Perhaps something that would work with an XBMC server?
Thanks
Since this thread is 6 months old, has there been any update on this? Like any new apps or imporvements in Mango to help streaming of video?
I want to find a way to reproduce the functionality of an app like AirVideo on my iPhone - I find WP7 VERY frustrating with the lack of decent streaming video apps and support. (In desperation I tried to write myself an HTML5 one but almost nothing plays on in IE9 in WP7 despite MS saying the versions on PC and WP7 are identical - guess it's a codec problem.)
Why is it possible for me to stream *any* video faultlessly via AirVideo on my 4 year old iPhone 3G but the latest, greatest WP7 phone from 2011 refuses to play anything not in MS's narrow range of accepted formats?!?! I just want to stream AVI and MKV files (not HD rips, just TV shows and music videos etc) to my Windows Phone!!
Try Qloud Media, very good app, streams almost any type of video file.
http://www.qiss.mobi/index_eng.html
Thanks for that - will try it out at home tonight... just one Q - does it stream most or all videos, transcoding on the fly, or do the videos already have to be encoded to WP7?
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Thanks for that - will try it out at home tonight... just one Q - does it stream most or all videos, transcoding on the fly, or do the videos already have to be encoded to WP7?
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It transcodes all videos on teh fly, I use it and it works really nice.
Excellent, thanks again. I've downloaded the trial version so I can't wait to get home and get it set up.... if it's as good as you say (which I'm sure it will be) I'll buy the full version. Then I can hopefully (finally!) ditch my old iPhone!
Hi all
Just thought i would share my findings.
I am using MX Video Player as my video player.
I use Mizzu Movies as the front end for it - it really is very very nice and will auto get information, reviews, trailers etc etc for movies.
To convert my Blu Ray mkv files, DVD rips or pretty much anything i use DVD Catalyst on Windows 7 PC
I use the asus transformer HQ settings and select partial border removal.
Using all the above results in very nice looking movies with flawless playback.
I travel abroad quite a lot and everyone who see's me using the Asus for movies on the plane is very interested in what i have.
For Blu-rays I've found DVD Catalyst 4 to be inadequate because of sync issues. I've also read that by turning off Blu-ray Telecine will correct this issue but it doesn't. So, I had to look at other software to rip and convert my Blu-rays. Also DVD Catalyst 4 set my Kaspersky Antivirus Heuristic virus detection off and said it was performing in a way similar to a virus or trojan.
I've found that Aiseesoft Blu-ray Ripper works really well and is my favorite. It has video acceleration and will utilize you're AMD (app acceleration) or a NVidia video card with (Cuda technology). It's normally $39 but you can get it HERE for $23.40 with the coupon code 'SMRT-ADEK'. HERE is a guide as to what settings to use for the TF. It tends to make my videos a little less in size than Pavtube does. i.e., Aieesoft Blu-ray Ripper will create a file say 2.5gb in size while Pavtube is a little higher. Also, since I have an AMD/ATI video card it will accelerate the ripping process to nearly half the time as Pavtube due to the fact that Pavtube doesn't support AMD/ATI acceleration, just NVidia Cuda technology. Also, Aieesoft Blu-ray Ripper will automatically preserve forced subtitles while Pavtube you have to actually check ON a tick box for it to pick up forced subtitles. Also it has a video preview while ripping while Pavtube does not. Incidentally you can turn this feature on or off, whichever you prefer.
Another great software would be Pavtube Blu-ray Video Converter Ultimate which runs $65 but you can get it for $37.70 HERE with coupon code 'SOFT-K8TT'. It makes flawless videos for the TF using the XOOM settings. HERE is a guide on how. It has video acceleration just for NVidia video card. It will also let you select not only different subtitles but allows for 'Only allow forced subtitles'.
Incidentally, both rippers have built in AACS ripper technology and can even rip the new AACS-24 copy protection which is the newest copy protection format. So there is no need to also run AnyDVD HD in the background while you rip to be able to rip. A huge plus in my book.
I use either Dice Player or MX Video to play my movies in HW acceleration mode.
This is the Pavtube settings. Right click on the picture and 'Save As' to download a short single chapter MP4 file to test on your TF.
This is the Aieesoft settings. Right click on the picture and 'Save As' to download a short single chapter MP4 file to test on your TF.
cheers...
EDIT: Please read further into this thread as things have changed drastically. Thanks
I use the extremely convenient VidsOpt script for reencoding and remuxing x264/MKV. I tried out some other ripping tools like DVD Catalyst and XviD4PSP but they were cumbersome and too heavy on my system (only 2.8GHz P4/1GB RAM). After this step, there is really no reason not to use the stock player since MP4 files can be HW decoded (video and audio). If I am watching something with subtitles or the occasional XviD I will use MX Video.
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For Blu-rays I've found DVD Catalyst 4 to be inadequate because of sync issues. I've also read that by turning off Blu-ray Telecine will correct this issue but it doesn't. So, I had to look at other software to rip and convert my Blu-rays. Also DVD Catalyst 4 set my Kaspersky Antivirus Heuristic virus detection off and said it was performing in a way similar to a virus or trojan.
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What Sync issues are you referring to AcidCore? I am aware of audio sync issues if you play the created video files on a PC using Windows Media Player, but this is due to some codec-issues with WMP itself. This is also mentioned in numerous locations on my website. For device playback as well as playback using Quicktime or VLC, the files should play just fine.
As for the Kaspersky, it doesn't like it when an app is running the conversion as a separate process. I have tried to work with them, but it is easier for them to mark something than to actually unmark something. DVD Catalyst is clean.
As for the links you provided, those articles are loaded with affiliate-links, meaning that those articles are mainly written to lure people into a purchase so that the guy who wrote them gets about 50% of the purchase price for the sale.
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What Sync issues are you referring to AcidCore? I am aware of audio sync issues if you play the created video files on a PC using Windows Media Player, but this is due to some codec-issues with WMP itself. This is also mentioned in numerous locations on my website. For device playback as well as playback using Quicktime or VLC, the files should play just fine.
As for the Kaspersky, it doesn't like it when an app is running the conversion as a separate process. I have tried to work with them, but it is easier for them to mark something than to actually unmark something. DVD Catalyst is clean.
As for the links you provided, those articles are loaded with affiliate-links, meaning that those articles are mainly written to lure people into a purchase so that the guy who wrote them gets about 50% of the purchase price for the sale.
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Actually, when I ripped the movie Wanted it played just fine on WMP but on both Dice and MX the audio was out of sync with the video. I felt like I was watching a dubbed movie or something. I tried three different settings with Catalyst and I got the same thing. Also when I ripped the movie Apocalypto which the whole movie is subtitled and Catalyst overwrote the subs with some kind of font that looked like it had some type of halo effect to it. I had to enable the Booster Pack 2 in order for it to pick up the subs at all. All other movies seemed OK though.
As for the links, I bought both Aieesoft Blu-ray Ripper and Pavtube at a 40% discount each which was a big plus in my book.
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Actually, when I ripped the movie Wanted it played just fine on WMP but on both Dice and MX the audio was out of sync with the video. I felt like I was watching a dubbed movie or something. I tried three different settings with Catalyst and I got the same thing. Also when I ripped the movie Apocalypto which the whole movie is subtitled and Catalyst overwrote the subs with some kind of font that looked like it had some type of halo effect to it. I had to enable the Booster Pack 2 in order for it to pick up the subs at all. All other movies seemed OK though.
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Did you try the stock player?
The files dvdcat creates are optimized for hardware playback on the Tegra2. While MX and Dice can play a lot more video file types, their settings can get in the way of how the file plays. Using the stock player the videos should play just fine.
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Did you try the stock player?
The files dvdcat creates are optimized for hardware playback on the Tegra2. While MX and Dice can play a lot more video file types, their settings can get in the way of how the file plays. Using the stock player the videos should play just fine.
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I just tried playing it with the stock player and it's still out of sync.
My settings are:
Player Screen Size: 864x432
Video Quality: 2250kbps
Video Mode: 1 pass
Sound Quality: 160kbps
Audio Mode: stereo
Conversion Format: h264_xoom
Framerate: 30
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I just tried playing it with the stock player and it's still out of sync.
My settings are:
Player Screen Size: 864x432
Video Quality: 2250kbps
Video Mode: 1 pass
Sound Quality: 160kbps
Audio Mode: stereo
Conversion Format: h264_xoom
Framerate: 30
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What did you convert?
from Bluray using dvdcat's Bluray mode or using file-mode (just the m2ts file directly)
Besides the settings you mentioned, you also mentioned the telicine option. Are there any other settings in "Global" that you enabled?
Try resetting DVD Catalyst to its defaults:
* Make sure DVD Catalyst is not running
* Click on "START" > "RUN" (or hold down the windows-key on your keyboard and tap the "R" key)
* In the run dialog, type in:
%appdata%
and click OK
*delete the "DVD Catalyst 4" folder
After that, start dvdcat, and if you want to convert Bluray (icw AnyDVD HD or something similar), enable power user, and enable the checkmark in the Bluray tab in Global Settings.
Then just select your profile, and leave the rest of the settings as they are.
so far i have tried about 5 different methods to convert to mp4 from mkv etc
I have used dvdcat to convert about 10 movies so far and have not run into sync problems.
I have left most things on default so dont find it cumbersome at all, in fact I found it a lot easier to use than most others, i do have a quadcore 4gb windows 7 64bit system though so runs pretty fast. I use eset nod32 smart security which is a superior product to kaspersky without false positives.
I will also play around with more options in time.
Nice to see some alternative methods here though which I will also try.
Any other methods guys?
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What did you convert?
from Bluray using dvdcat's Bluray mode or using file-mode (just the m2ts file directly)
Besides the settings you mentioned, you also mentioned the telicine option. Are there any other settings in "Global" that you enabled?
Try resetting DVD Catalyst to its defaults:
* Make sure DVD Catalyst is not running
* Click on "START" > "RUN" (or hold down the windows-key on your keyboard and tap the "R" key)
* In the run dialog, type in:
%appdata%
and click OK
*delete the "DVD Catalyst 4" folder
After that, start dvdcat, and if you want to convert Bluray (icw AnyDVD HD or something similar), enable power user, and enable the checkmark in the Bluray tab in Global Settings.
Then just select your profile, and leave the rest of the settings as they are.
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Yeah, it was the first Blu-ray that I tried to transcode. Let me try your recommendation and see what I come up with. Thanks.
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Yeah, it was the first Blu-ray that I tried to transcode. Let me try your recommendation and see what I come up with. Thanks.
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You are welcome,
If you run into complications or have questions, rather than using this thread, maybe shoot me an email instead. I don't mind answering on forums, but I don't think this thread is the place for it though.
email is my username at gmail dot com.
I have to say that by taking your advice and setting things back to default that the Blu-ray rip came out perfect. It even came out smaller in size and the cropping was perfect. While most of my movies play in letterbox (black bars above and below the picture) that after ripping with DVD Catalyst and then playing in MX Video that I had no letterboxing. It played full screen. Stock video player and Dice Player both still played it in letterbox. The video setting was defaulted to 1280x720 and the video formatted out to 1280x544. There was no sync issues any more. Time to rip the movie Wanted using Aieesoft Blu-ray Ripper took a little over 2 hours and the time it took DVD Catalyst to rip the same movie was just over 40 minutes. Impressive to say the least.
Video player : Built-in video player
Encoder : FFMPEG (git-latest) command line. transcoding to playable MP4 format.
I just changed my dvdcat setup to just removing black bars from the video file instead of remove partial borders and quality is now better.
Removing partial borders lowered the resolution to 1072 x 512
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I just changed my dvdcat setup to just removing black bars from the video file instead of remove partial borders and quality is now better.
Removing partial borders lowered the resolution to 1072 x 512
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I always use "remove from file" (the default) myself. The other ones cut off part of the video to get more screenfill. If you use a video player other than the stock, you can usually zoom the video anyway if you want full-screen.
I've been re-transcoding my movies using DVD Cat and while the movie Underworld "Evolution" ripped perfectly using default settings Underworld did not. It's defaulted to just removing the black bars but it shoved the video to the left and it was severely cut off on the left. I looked all through the settings and couldn't find anything to fix this. Although when I went to 'Preview' the setting was defaulted to 1.33:1 and the first little picture with the borders was selected. I had to put it down to 1.35:1 movie default and choose the second little picture without the borders. Strange; as it made it 1280x405, so it was constrained but it fit and had no borders on the TF.
Needless to say, DVD Cat is going to take some trial and error to figure it all out.
Underworld is a bit tricky because it is so dark.
In Global > Borders, you can increase the scan-point count, which should eliminate the issue you experienced. It is quite rare, but its tied to the way DVD Cat actually detects borders on movies. Rather than using fixed values, it takes screenshots of the movie at 5 (default) points, and then looks for the actual borders.
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Underworld is a bit tricky because it is so dark.
In Global > Borders, you can increase the scan-point count, which should eliminate the issue you experienced. It is quite rare, but its tied to the way DVD Cat actually detects borders on movies. Rather than using fixed values, it takes screenshots of the movie at 5 (default) points, and then looks for the actual borders.
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I remember seeing that. It's set at 5 right now. Is that a setting under the borders tab that's selectable or is it always on? I'm at work so I can't look at the software at the moment.
its defaulted at 5, but you can change it to something like 7 or 8.
I've only ran into the issue 3 times.
twice with episodes of 24, where the shots were taken during the time-display part, and Underworld 1
So what setting do you recommend; 7 or 8? I guess I'll just have to tinker with it when I get home. What is your final file dimmensions on Underworld 1 after transcoding with DVD Cat?