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1080p smartphones and 60fps plausibility?

I dont see a lot of chatter about 60fps recording on the latest batch of 720/1080p recording smart phones.. Is it even possible or just a matter of hardware limitations? Im just curious if we could see a future hack enabling 60fps or do we wait for manufacturers to offer it. thanks!

That would be SICK... But I don't think it'd be possible due to the size of the camera sensor in most mobile phones.

i just know that the HTC Bass (Runnymede) will be able to do 720p recording at 60fps.
afaik, there are no known phones that can do [email protected] currently.

socalwrx said:
I dont see a lot of chatter about 60fps recording on the latest batch of 720/1080p recording smart phones.. Is it even possible or just a matter of hardware limitations? Im just curious if we could see a future hack enabling 60fps or do we wait for manufacturers to offer it. thanks!
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Sounds like James Cameron's dream phone, to me. Cameron is pushing for the movie industry to adopt a minimum 60fp/s for movies.

is 60fps the limit? cant it go any higher?

Really isn't much benefit in going higher except for Video/Sports analysis, TBH. For just watching stuff, 60 FPS is good enough.

I understand that for general recording/watching 30fps is plenty. 24fps even.. Id just be interested for some cool slo-mo effects. even if it were capped at a short time due to the size of the file. Im just wondering if its hardware limitations (video encoding of the chipset, size of the sensor as previously mentioned) or just a matter of software tweaking; forcing the phone to record/encode @ 60fps.
I had an older LG phone that had a slo-mo effect that looked cool but quality took a big hit.

socalwrx said:
I understand that for general recording/watching 30fps is plenty. 24fps even.. Id just be interested for some cool slo-mo effects. even if it were capped at a short time due to the size of the file. Im just wondering if its hardware limitations (video encoding of the chipset, size of the sensor as previously mentioned) or just a matter of software tweaking; forcing the phone to record/encode @ 60fps.
I had an older LG phone that had a slo-mo effect that looked cool but quality took a big hit.
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agree
even if games / videos were made to run 60 fps, it's a waste of power
there's no point pushing more than 30 frames when human eyes can barely keep up with less than that

AllGamer said:
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even if games / videos were made to run 60 fps, it's a waste of power
there's no point pushing more than 30 frames when human eyes can barely keep up with less than that
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Don't agree at all. The difference is big and is easily proven. Seems to be some kind of urban legend that eyes cannot perceive faster movement than around 24-30fps
Check for example these example videos (using a modern browser on a modern PC).
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html

tjtj4444 said:
Don't agree at all. The difference is big and is easily proven. Seems to be some kind of urban legend that eyes cannot perceive faster movement than around 24-30fps
Check for example these example videos (using a modern browser on a modern PC).
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html
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This is an age old debate and is far more complex than that one example can cover. For video playback where you can't resolve individual frames though, 30 fps is more than enough.
Yes, we all like to see those beautiful bullet time type videos shot with fast cameras, but there are limitations other than processing power. In this case it's optical. The faster you shoot, the better lit the scene needs to be and the better the light gathering ability of the optics. Perfectly easy to overcome when you're lighting the scene and using proper hardware. Not so good when you're using a phone to do the shooting though!

I don't see the point of 1080p/60fps until they can do 1080p/30fps properly
Also better optics before moving onto anything else

DirkGently1 said:
This is an age old debate and is far more complex than that one example can cover. For video playback where you can't resolve individual frames though, 30 fps is more than enough.
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Sorry but I don't agree at all, and your post doesn't include one single argument for you statement so it doesn't make any change.
30 fps looks ok, but 60fps video looks more fluid. It is very obvious in fast moving videos, e g sports.
I know that movies are made for 24fps and have "motion blur" to remove the problems with low frame rate, and some people prefere this motion blur (i e movie captured with small aperture) but that is a matter of taste and doesn't change what looks more fluid or not.

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That all depends on the GPU. Maybe the powervr sgx 543 can, seems the most plausible of all the GPUs available.

So those can shoot @60fps:
-LG G2
-Note 3
-HTC One (720p only)
Does anybody know more devices?
Maybe Nexus 5 after some camera hack...? I would buy if it had 1080p60

Samsung Galaxy S4 and S5 can record 60fps video as well

4K video so disappointing

I've been recording a few 4k clips. I think its pretty pointless A) No OIS , you need a tripod only reall for using it B) Frame rate not 30fps all the time stutters a bit.
Other than that its the most detailed amazing video on my 2560 x 1440p monitor (No 4k monitor yet), but with no OIS its really not practical at all. Or usable. And not to mention the 5 minute clip limit...
Anyone here going to honestly be using it over 1080p? (Unless you carry a tripod) Guess i'm too use to the G2's OIS camera which gives much smoother videos.

Honestly, mostly I just use 720p. In my opinion the 4k function is an marketing trick by Samsung. Well it works but the mainstream market needs a few more years until it's the non+ ultra. It's nice to have but I'm quietly sure I won't use it at all.

Lenniitsch said:
Honestly, mostly I just use 720p. In my opinion the 4k function is an marketing trick by Samsung. Well it works but the mainstream market needs a few more years until it's the non+ ultra. It's nice to have but I'm quietly sure I won't use it at all.
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Agreed. 100% marketing gimmick. Other than playing with it for a few minutes, doubt I will ever use it again. If it was 4K 30fps with image stabilization yes.

Chaialo says
I was actually thinking of filming a commercial with it. I do have a tripod, slider and a clamp to hold it. I will also be shooting the same scenes in 1080P on my HPX300 just in case.

Hendrickson said:
I've been recording a few 4k clips. I think its pretty pointless A) No OIS , you need a tripod only reall for using it B) Frame rate not 30fps all the time stutters a bit.
Other than that its the most detailed amazing video on my 2560 x 1440p monitor (No 4k monitor yet), but with no OIS its really not practical at all. Or usable. And not to mention the 5 minute clip limit...
Anyone here going to honestly be using it over 1080p? (Unless you carry a tripod) Guess i'm too use to the G2's OIS camera which gives much smoother videos.
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I wish you guys would quit with the whining.. the camera (from what I have seen) is clearly better than its predecessors or just about anything on the market for a smartphone. Samsung has clearly improved this phone in every way, its by far the best phone on the market. No other phone can anywhere close to what this phone offers, the features are endless. So stop crying and be happy that you are fortunate to own the best phone on the market. IMO

I don't think that the 4k ability is outstanding but someone has to take the first step. And that the note 3 can handle the bandwidth needed for 4k is enough to wow me right there.(it is very compressed I'd imagine)
And to people saying its a marketing gimmick, isn't the iphones slow mo feature the same? The note 3 can do 720p 120fps just like the iphone but there not hyping it up. 4k is more exciting then watching every video on YouTube in slow mo. If I want to watch slow mo I want to see it at 1000fps with a true slow mo camera.

Lenniitsch said:
Honestly, mostly I just use 720p. In my opinion the 4k function is an marketing trick by Samsung. Well it works but the mainstream market needs a few more years until it's the non+ ultra. It's nice to have but I'm quietly sure I won't use it at all.
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Uh, 4K is a feature of the snapdragon 800 chipset. Samsung had nothing to do with it. Blame Qualcomm for it being less than desirable.

I imagine xda devs will get around the 5 minute limit soon enough.
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I'm so tired of coming to this forum and seeing people constantly complain about things that are either superficial or not mind blowing (etc. speakers not putting out surround sound 7.1, 4k not being worlds better than 1080p).
Keep these negative post in:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2458640

Agree Sgt. Beside that I would add permission that people with less of 200 (maybe 100) cant open new threads in general..Only qa.
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Sounds great, they should also make it that Samsung fanboys can only start posts too? Fanboys here don't let people express their opinions which is what forums are all about discussions and sometimes there are topics you might not like.
Edit: I've request this thread be lock and buried incase more don't like it

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Note 3 vs Canon 5d mark 3 camera comparison

Must watch.
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/galaxy-note-3-faces-canon-5d-mark-iii-video-comparison/
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razor848 said:
Must watch.
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/galaxy-note-3-faces-canon-5d-mark-iii-video-comparison/
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Very interesting indeed. Still haven't bothered capturing at 4k as I don't have a display to do it justice. Might start recording and archive so come the time for a new TV I have some bright sharp memories to view.

I spend a full 20 minutes staring and laughing hysterically at the thread title. :laugh: Thought it was about photo's, as opposed to video. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Wasn't expecting that from the Note 3, actually. Not bad at all, for such a tiny sensor.
Honestly though, comparing 4K against 1080p? Even if you downsize, that's an unfair comparison as 4K records more data than 1080p at the raw source. It's like shooting in Jpeg directly, or converting a RAWfile to Jpeg. (Which only makes sense if you know photography.)
I am, however, in doubt. An old classmate of mine shoots entire films with his 5D MKIII, and the quality is significantly better than what we're seeing in the video.

ShadowLea said:
I spend a full 20 minutes staring and laughing hysterically at the thread title. :laugh: Thought it was about photo's, as opposed to video. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Wasn't expecting that from the Note 3, actually. Not bad at all, for such a tiny sensor.
Honestly though, comparing 4K against 1080p? Even if you downsize, that's an unfair comparison as 4K records more data than 1080p at the raw source. It's like shooting in Jpeg directly, or converting a RAWfile to Jpeg. (Which only makes sense if you know photography.)
I am, however, in doubt. An old classmate of mine shoots entire films with his 5D MKIII, and the quality is significantly better than what we're seeing in the video.
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I'm sorry but you're wrong, the comparison is as valid as any comparison between 2 devices. It would be like saying you can't compare benchmarks between Note 3 and GS5, because GS 5 has CPU running at higher frequency.
The fact is Note 3 can record 4k video out of the box and can record higher resolution, sharper video, than any DSLR currently on the market, period. Of course those were done in full sun/ good light, in low light Canon would win hands down. You could also see blown highlights in Note 3 video, but never the less our phone has excellent video recording capabilities I bet a lot of people are not even aware off and you have to remember Canon 5D mark III has probably one of the best video recording capabilities among DSLR and was used in quiet few commercial video recordings you see on TV. Even thought some people dismiss this as useless gimmick, it was one of the reasons I got Note 3 and I record all video in 4k, mostly of my kids, for the future memories. Right now none of my computers can play 4k video smoothly and I don't even have 4k display yet, but all this will be rectified before end of this year. Funny thing is, it is Samsung pushing the envelope, where the hell is Sony, commercial and consumer video leader?

arhhh the Pixel Myth.... Just like the Megahertz Myth! Bigger numbers doesn't always mean better. The N3 is a complete waste of time in low light despite being able to record @ 4k. I'd like to have seen the guy walking around (camera movement) with both devices as this would have shown which device was better when watching both playbacks.

fyew-jit-tiv said:
arhhh the Pixel Myth.... Just like the Megahertz Myth! Bigger numbers doesn't always mean better. The N3 is a complete waste of time in low light despite being able to record @ 4k. I'd like to have seen the guy walking around (camera movement) with both devices as this would have shown which device was better when watching both playbacks.
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Apparently you didn't see the video comparison, which clearly shows Note 3 video is much sharper, even on low resolution screen and apparently you never looked at benchmarks, clearly showing that everything else being equal, phone running at higher GHz will run faster most of the time, otherwise you wouldn't call it a myth. As far as low light goes, every camera sucks, it just a matter of how little is not enough. Canon 5d has full size sensor, which is almost as big as half width of the phone and this size sensor could not be fitted in a small phone and forget about optics required, never the less, with huge handicap in sensor size, much, much lower price and basic optics, Note 3 is competitive in good light. In low light it is much worse, but if you ever went to the movie set, just about half of the equipment is lights to improve exposure and they have cameras costing more than most people house, so yeah, good light is required for all cameras if you want good video.

Is Huawei making their AI stabilizing looking better than it is?

According to this article all the rear cameras has ois and not just one as Huawei informed us about. Are they trying to make their AI software looking better than it actually is? All other phone makers would have bragged about ois on all three cameras
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...pro-optical-image-stabilization-triple-camera

easycure1974 said:
According to this article all the rear cameras has ois and not just one as Huawei informed us about. Are they trying to make their AI software looking better than it actually is? All other phone makers would have bragged about ois on all three cameras
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...pro-optical-image-stabilization-triple-camera
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If that's true why is their 4k recording so shaky?

lawtq said:
If that's true why is their 4k recording so shaky?
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Yes is seems very strange - it will be interesting to read more about this

lawtq said:
If that's true why is their 4k recording so shaky?
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Hardware is useless, if the software haven't being configured to use it.
I hope huawei add the stabilisation to 4K mode soon

otonieru said:
Hardware is useless, if the software haven't being configured to use it.
I hope huawei add the stabilisation to 4K mode soon
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Why do you think they haven't already? Cause the 970 isn't capable. Hopefully they do though. This phone would be exciting if it wasn't for the old chipset! Sigh

lawtq said:
Why do you think they haven't already? Cause the 970 isn't capable. Hopefully they do though. This phone would be exciting if it wasn't for the old chipset! Sigh
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Well it's not really old, end of 2017. It's definitely powerful enough. Just not as powerful as Qualcoms latest on paper and in benchmarks. That's to be expected though. Even much older less powerful chips can handle 4k with ois.
There is nothing on android that can even push the SoC's from 3 years ago. The hardware is just way ahead of the software. It's all a race to get the best looking specs on paper now, regardless of whether it's actually needed or not.
In my own testing the P20 Pro is just as quick in pretty much anything other than benchmarks, which in real life usage mean nothing. Its all about the user experience. There isn't a game to push the latest hardware and won't be even towards the end of life of all these new gen devices.
Not sure why they didn't include it. The hardware is more than capable.

Highspeed123 said:
Well it's not really old, end of 2017. It's definitely powerful enough. Just not as powerful as Qualcoms latest on paper and in benchmarks. That's to be expected though. Even much older less powerful chips can handle 4k with ois.
There is nothing on android that can even push the SoC's from 3 years ago. The hardware is just way ahead of the software. It's all a race to get the best looking specs on paper now, regardless of whether it's actually needed or not.
In my own testing the P20 Pro is just as quick in pretty much anything other than benchmarks, which in real life usage mean nothing. Its all about the user experience. There isn't a game to push the latest hardware and won't be even towards the end of life of all these new gen devices.
Not sure why they didn't include it. The hardware is more than capable.
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Good points! I hope you're right. 1080p ain't enough anymore

easycure1974 said:
According to this article all the rear cameras has ois and not just one as Huawei informed us about. Are they trying to make their AI software looking better than it actually is? All other phone makers would have bragged about ois on all three cameras
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...pro-optical-image-stabilization-triple-camera
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I really hope that they add the stabilisation to 4k videos because now is terrible... And videos shot in full HD look very poor quality...
If hardware is on board I don't want to be cheated by Huawei

lawtq said:
Why do you think they haven't already? Cause the 970 isn't capable. Hopefully they do though. This phone would be exciting if it wasn't for the old chipset! Sigh
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This is simply not true. 970 is almost as capable as 2017 exynos and snapdragon.
But honestly. I've been living around thousand people everyday, and i find, there's less than hundred of them would record video on daily basis,
And when they did, they either do it in 1080 or 720.
Why ? Because most of it would end in social media. And uploading something as huge as 4K simply wont do for most people,
Not to mention most of phone out there which used to watch the video later on are mostly still on full HD resolution as well.
I understand the argument from people who said they shoot it to be watch on their 4K TV. But they are not majority in the community.
Heck, i even can count with my finger, how many times i have recorded a video using my mobile phone from january last year up to today. LoL. Am simply a "still image" guy
Thats why,
As bad as missing 4K stabilisation in spec sheet, it wont have that as huge impact in daily life user.
But, surely thats bad for marketing communication. And reviewer will use it again and again as a weak point.

I shoot videos occasionally but only in 1080p regardless of which phone or camera I use.
It's just amateur video for my personal view not for commercial so no point to waste space.

Regarding there being nothing that even taxes older SoCs to their limits - anyone who does emulator gaming can tell you there certainly are use case scenarios that do. My Mate 10 handles a lot of emulation well enough, but the likes of Dolphin are better on better performing SoCs nevertheless (this is not all down to raw power though, how well drivers are implemented also makes a difference, however most mobile drivers are rubbish across the board, so the brute force of higher chip speeds is welcomed here).

otonieru said:
And when they did, they either do it in 1080 or 720.
Why ? Because most of it would end in social media. And uploading something as huge as 4K simply wont do for most people,
Not to mention most of phone out there which used to watch the video later on are mostly still on full HD resolution as well.
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Exactly this, most video is used for social media now, where it gets compressed to helll and viewed on tiny screens. There is no real need to push for 4K recording and those that really want it will probably buy dedicated recorders or a gimbal.
Btw the super slo-mo on this is good! Saw Diversity at the weekend, apologises for the shake at the start, daughter was bouncing up and down lol
https://twitter.com/DaveP2611/status/983071212984299521

@DaveP2611 quick question about the slow-mo, how do you actually setup the device for slow mo recording?
Is is similar to older Samsung devices where you record a video using the slow mo function and then select which part of the video to slow down and by what ammount?
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[/COLOR @DaveP2611 quick question about the slow-mo, how do you actually setup the device for slow mo recording?
Is is similar to older Samsung devices where you record a video using the slow mo function and then select which part of the video to slow down and by what ammount?

5nak3 said:
@DaveP2611 quick question about the slow-mo, how do you actually setup the device for slow mo recording?
Is is similar to older Samsung devices where you record a video using the slow mo function and then select which part of the video to slow down and by what ammount?
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It's an option within the camera, under More, you then have a Slow-Mo option, under x4/x8 there doesn't seem to be any recording length limit, the x32 seems to be a snapshot of ten seconds and picks when it slows down itself as seen in the clip I posted.

Awesome, thanks for the quick reply!
Shame you can't pick out the section of the video you want to slow down at x32. It's one of the things I think my note 4 did well despite only having x8 slowmo capture.
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Awesome, thanks for the quick reply!
Shame you can't pick out the section of the video you want to slow down at x32. It's one of the things I think my note 4 did well despite only having x8 slowmo capture.

I really think that all the stabilization in pictures is done via OIS and they just claim it’s the magic of AI just to use that as a differential marketing advantage.Maybe AI is not so smart / cutting edge...

djmaxi said:
I really think that all the stabilization in pictures is done via OIS and they just claim it’s the magic of AI just to use that as a differential marketing advantage.Maybe AI is not so smart / cutting edge...
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Thats not really the case as well, since by using it to shoot, i can definitely tell that sometimes, there simply no OIS. OIS movement will always seen in preview prior to shoot. You can see it move the picture to the opposite direction of your hand movement. And when there's no feedback/counter movement, you can tell that no OIS in action.

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justyourimage said:
Well, and an AI isn't an AI if it isn't intelligent.
That's marketing for you.
They simply named their Auto-Mode to AI-Powered because they managed to implement a few "new" things that don't work properly for what it was intended for (shooting good pictures from the hip).
I mean it's not like there were things like Dual Pixel AF and Laser AF were invented for no reason ... and they work most of the time (for what they were made for) unless the manufacturer ****s really up.
Now I can die happly. Especially knowing that they haven't even enabled OIS for the photos AND video.
I would have never guessed some manufacturer to **** up so badly ... let's see if they will ever "fix" or even "admit" it.
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It's more amazing you would jump to conclusion so easily.
https://www.anandtech.com/comments/12633/cadence-announces-tensilica-vision-q6-dsp/596655
Look in the comments section. Wait for the full review if you want to know all the technical details.
All that that tear-down showed is that the modules have an auto-focus mechanism. Just because the lens wobbles doesn't mean it's OIS.
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Just go to the shop and try it out and make up your own minds instead of following what people complain nonstop on the internet. The echo chamber is ridiculous. The 1080p video stabilization for example is amazing trying it in person, the most likely reason they aren't doing it on 4k is that the hardware is not capable of doing it.

I'm not sure the kirin 970's isp is powerful enough, or have the bandwidth, to stabilize 4k. I imagine it would be there if it was possible.
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Realme 5 Pro's camera app is completely useless. Any updates coming?

On paper Realme 5 Pro has a great hardware profile, but in reality its camera app is super lame and pretty much useless.
1. First of all, the stock camera app does not allow us to shoot in the most popular 16:9 ratio. Even the so called "Expert mode" is stuck at 4:3 and there is no way to expertly change this. Are you kidding me??? What kind of an expert would shoot in 4:3 anyway??
2. Second, the camera app does not offer much of a choice between different resolutions. We are stuck with only three options - 48MP, 12MP and the super small (and thus completely useless) 2MP macro. And that's all, folks... Even my old 2014 phone offers a plethora of resolutions to choose from. Not Realme 5 Pro, though.
3. Third, the camera app does not offer electronic image stabilization (EIS) for 4K video. Again, it is almost year 2020 and 4K is THE standard these days. Not offering image stabilization for 4K is like not offering 4K at all. I know that the hardware allows it, so sit on your butts and release an update that offers EIS for 4K video!
4. Last, but not least - there are no Gcam or Sapdragon Camera app distributions that work without problems on Realme 5 Pro. So not only the stock camera app sucks, but on top of that third party apps do not work properly with it as well.
So far Realme 5 Pro's camera app has been an enormous disappointment!
I really hope that the people form the software department of Realme would read this and would offer the necessary updates, so people would finally be able to make use of this phone's cameras. Owners should start sending them messages about all these issues.
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You can change to 16:9 in settings.

Tempete said:
You can change to 16:9 in settings.
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No, you cannot change to 16:9 in the settings.
You only have three options to choose from:
- 4:3
- 1:1
- Full screen (which is something like 19.5:9)
See the attached image below.
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AndroidShooter said:
On paper Realme 5 Pro has a great hardware profile, but in reality its camera app is super lame and pretty much useless.
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I think realme 5 pro, with gcam, is one the best camera you can have at its price range. Actually, forget about comparing it with the similarly priced phones. So go ahead, borrow your friend's galaxy s9 or s10 as I did, compare the result side by side on large pc monitor and tell me your finding.
1. First of all, the stock camera app does not allow us to shoot in the most popular 16:9 ratio. Even the so called "Expert mode" is stuck at 4:3 and there is no way to expertly change this. Are you kidding me??? What kind of an expert would shoot in 4:3 anyway??
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Almost all image sensor chip in modern smartphone like Sony IMX586 in realme 5 pro is 4:3 ratio. So is the sensor in mirrorless MFT camera. So 4:3 image will give you native and full resolution. Any other ratio like 16:9 is cropped out from 4:3 image, that means less area covered vertically and thus less mega pixel. You can always crop to 16:9 format in software.
2. Second, the camera app does not offer much of a choice between different resolutions. We are stuck with only three options - 48MP, 12MP and the super small (and thus completely useless) 2MP macro. And that's all, folks... Even my old 2014 phone offers a plethora of resolutions to choose from. Not Realme 5 Pro, though.
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Again, do a little research and you'll see much more expensive phones are 12 MP. Why would you want other resolution like 8 / 6 / 4 MP? To save space? Or higher than 12 MP like 16 or 24 MP for example? Why do you think the most expensive phones in the market capped at 12 MP? Hint: higher MP does not mean better picture.
3. Third, the camera app does not offer electronic image stabilization (EIS) for 4K video. Again, it is almost year 2020 and 4K is THE standard these days. Not offering image stabilization for 4K is like not offering 4K at all. I know that the hardware allows it, so sit on your butts and release an update that offers EIS for 4K video!
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Which other phones in the price range of realme 5 pro that do EIS in 4K? A little suggestion, get a gimbal like DJI Osmo mobile 3 that cost a little over USD 100 and get much better result.
4. Last, but not least - there are no Gcam or Sapdragon Camera app distributions that work without problems on Realme 5 Pro. So not only the stock camera app sucks, but on top of that third party apps do not work properly with it as well.
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My gcam works fine here for photos. For video I use stock camera because it has EIS. If you mean the slow motion feature of gcam, look around and you'll see that feature doesn't work in other phones as well.
So far Realme 5 Pro's camera app has been an enormous disappointment!
I really hope that the people form the software department of Realme would read this and would offer the necessary updates, so people would finally be able to make use of this phone's cameras. Owners should start sending them messages about all these issues.
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You would have better luck doing that in realme official forum than here at xda.

Thank you for your reply, Gnusvol.
Gnusvol said:
I think realme 5 pro, with gcam, is one the best camera you can have at its price range.
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I totally disagree and you will find out why below.
Gnusvol said:
Actually, forget about comparing it with the similarly priced phones. So go ahead, borrow your friend's galaxy s9 or s10 as I did, compare the result side by side on large pc monitor and tell me your finding.
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My finding is TONS of very coarse noise in the shadows, mushy definition and blurred lines. This is what my finding is.
Gnusvol said:
Almost all image sensor chip in modern smartphone like Sony IMX586 in realme 5 pro is 4:3 ratio. So is the sensor in mirrorless MFT camera. So 4:3 image will give you native and full resolution. Any other ratio like 16:9 is cropped out from 4:3 image, that means less area covered vertically and thus less mega pixel. You can always crop to 16:9 format in software.
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I need in-camera 16:9, so I can do my frame compositing in the viewfinder, while I am shooting. I can't be bothered to crop 4:3 down to 16:9 in post production (which can lead to all sorts of trouble, like having to chop a subject's limb off). You need to know what the final result would be from the get go.
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Again, do a little research and you'll see much more expensive phones are 12 MP. Why would you want other resolution like 8 / 6 / 4 MP? To save space? Or higher than 12 MP like 16 or 24 MP for example? Why do you think the most expensive phones in the market capped at 12 MP? Hint: higher MP does not mean better picture.
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I know that higher Megapixels do not always equate to better quality picture. However, I shoot hundreds of photos daily and I need the smaller MP sizes to save memory and also to have faster speeds in post-processing (smaller photos load and render faster in PhotShop and LightRoom than 48MP or even 12MP photos). Having the option to choose from several file sizes is just good for general flexibility - and flexibility is a thing that is always nice to have.
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Which other phones in the price range of realme 5 pro that do EIS in 4K? A little suggestion, get a gimbal like DJI Osmo mobile 3 that cost a little over USD 100 and get much better result.
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I don't know which other phones do have EIS in 4K, I am a Realme 5 Pro owner and this is the only phone that I care about. And it so happens that this phone does not have EIS in 4K, which sucks.
If I wanted to carry a gimbal with me, I'd be better off carrying a bulky mirrorless camera with in-body-image-stabilization. A gimbal defies the purpose of shooting with a phone (which is the phone's pocket size, mobility and portability). Tripods, gimbals, steadicams, etc. are not needed and are a burden when you simply have EIS. So the guys from Realme should put their efforts in offering this option to the users.
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My gcam works fine here for photos. For video I use stock camera because it has EIS. If you mean the slow motion feature of gcam, look around and you'll see that feature doesn't work in other phones as well.
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Gcam doesn't work at all for video on my Realme 5 Pro. It crashes with slowmo, it does not offer EIS in 4K and it doesn't even offer 4K video recording. Also, the photo sizes can't be adjusted to my liking, just as with the stock camera app.

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Thank you for your reply, Gnusvol.
My finding is TONS of very coarse noise in the shadows, mushy definition and blurred lines. This is what my finding is.
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Which gcam variant are you talking about? I am using this one. It does 16:9 at 8.3 and 6 MP flawlessly and should address one of your concern.
I don't know which other phones do have EIS in 4K, I am a Realme 5 Pro owner and this is the only phone that I care about. And it so happens that this phone does not have EIS in 4K, which sucks.
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You said realme 5 pro is completely useless because of that one feature missing, and yet you can't, and will not, find any other phones that can do that. The title should be written like: "ALL phones that can't do EIS in 4K are completely useless". Good luck in finding the alternative, this year or even the next at this price range.
Gcam doesn't work at all for video on my Realme 5 Pro. It crashes with slowmo, it does not offer EIS and it doesn't even offer 4K video recording. Also, the photo sizes can't be adjusted to my liking, just as with the stock camera app.
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Video recording works fine with the version given above.

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Which gcam variant are you talking about? I am using this one. It does 16:9 at 8.3 and 6 MP flawlessly and should address one of your concern.
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I was using Gcam 7.2
Your older version of Gcam seems to offer 16:9 (which is nice!), however, there is still no way to shoot video in 4K with this version (see attached screenshot below). It only allows for 1080p, 720p and 480p - no 4K option to be seen on the horizon...
...and just because we can have 16:9 through older Google Camera versions, doesn't make Realme 5 Pro's stock camera app less useless. It is complete garbage and needs a ton of work before it can offer anything useful to the owners.
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You said realme 5 pro is completely useless because of that one feature missing, and yet you can't, and will not, find any other phones that can do that. The title should be written like: "ALL phones that can't do EIS in 4K are completely useless". Good luck in finding the alternative, this year or even the next at this price range.
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Phones with a Snapdragon processor (like Realme 5 Pro) are supposed to work in 4K with EIS, when using the Snapdragon Camera app. So, obviously the hardware allows it, and it is just a matter of writing the right software.
Unfortunately, like I said in my original post, there are no Sapdragon Camera app distributions that work on Realme 5 Pro. Or at least not yet. So, not only the stock camera app sucks, but on top of that good third party apps do not work properly with it as well.
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I was using Gcam 7.2
Your older version of Gcam seems to offer 16:9 (which is nice!), however, there is still no way to shoot video in 4K with this version (see attached screenshot below). It only allows for 1080p, 720p and 480p - no 4K option to be seen on the horizon...
...and just because we can have 16:9 through older Google Camera versions, doesn't make Realme 5 Pro's stock camera app less useless. It is complete garbage and needs a ton of work before it can offer anything useful to the owners.
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Complete garbage? Well, speak for yourself. I am the owner of this phone, and I think the stock camera is nice for shooting video in FHD 30 fps with EIS when I don't bring my dji gimbal. I don't shoot in 4K, only FHD. I'm sure the majority owner of realme 5 pro don't feel as strongly as you do about 4K video for a phone that cost only about USD 200-250 depending on the variant.
Phones with a Snapdragon processor (like Realme 5 Pro) are supposed to work in 4K with EIS, when using the Snapdragon Camera app. So, obviously the hardware allows it, and it is just a matter of writing the right software.
Unfortunately, like I said in my original post, there are no Sapdragon Camera app distributions that work on Realme 5 Pro. Or at least not yet. So, not only the stock camera app sucks, but on top of that good third party apps do not work properly with it as well.
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There are a lot of assumptions there. Name one phone with SD7xxx, SD6xx, or even the ones with SD8xx that can do EIS in 4K. Usually when a person says that the camera of phone A is "completely useless" or "complete garbage", he/she would ready to provide a proof that better phone B, C, or D do exist. And with that, I rest my case.

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Complete garbage? Well, speak for yourself. I am the owner of this phone, and I think the stock camera is nice for shooting video in FHD 30 fps with EIS when I don't bring my dji gimbal. I don't shoot in 4K, only FHD. I'm sure the majority owner of realme 5 pro don't feel as strongly as you do about 4K video for a phone that cost only about USD 200-250 depending on the variant.
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Are you telling me that the stock camera app is "nice" because users don't need to shoot 4K video anyway?
Are you telling me that just because YOU don't shoot in 4K, then everybody else shouldn't too?
Speak for yourself, buddy, because 4K is the new standard in video and if you are not shooting in 4K, you are just living in the past.
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There are a lot of assumptions there. Name one phone with SD7xxx, SD6xx, or even the ones with SD8xx that can do EIS in 4K. Usually when a person says that the camera of phone A is "completely useless" or "complete garbage", he/she would ready to provide a proof that better phone B, C, or D do exist. And with that, I rest my case.
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You want me to name one phone that has EIS in 4k?
OK, buddy, here you go: Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro shoots 4K with EIS when using the Opencamera app.
And surprise, surprise, the Snapdragon CPU on Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro is an OLDER model than the one in Realme 5 Pro.
So, if a phone with an old Snapdragon 636 CPU and only 3 GB of RAM can shoot 4K with EIS, then why a phone with Snapdragon 712 woudn't???
The answer is: because the developers at Realme need to sit on their butts and start working on this major issue. Otherwise, Realme 5 Pro is just a total waste of decent hardware.
Your arguments just don't hold water, so instead of grasping at straws, go ahead and write a letter to Realme's developer team. Maybe if enough owners write them, they would listen and would do something about it.
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Are you telling me that the stock camera app is "nice" because users don't need to shoot 4K video anyway?
Are you telling me that just because YOU don't shoot in 4K, then everybody else shouldn't too?
Speak for yourself, buddy, because 4K is the new standard in video and if you are not shooting in 4K, you are just living in the past.
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I don't tell you to do anything, do what you please. Sell it if you have to and see if I care one bit.
You want me to name one phone that has EIS in 4k?
OK, buddy, here you go: Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro shoots 4K with EIS when using the Opencamera app.
And surprise, surprise, the Snapdragon CPU on Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro is an OLDER model than the one in Realme 5 Pro.
So, if a phone with an old Snapdragon 636 CPU and only 3 GB of RAM can shoot 4K with EIS, then why a phone with Snapdragon 712 woudn't???
The answer is: because the developers at Realme need to sit on their butts and start working on this major issue. Otherwise, Realme 5 Pro is just a total waste of decent hardware.
Your arguments just don't hold water, so instead of grasping at straws, go ahead and write a letter to Realme's developer team. Maybe if enough owners write them, they would listen and would do something about it.
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Is that the best you can do, giving a link to a thread that none has participated, with "reserved for video samples" post that has not been updated since last march? The OP even said: "the stabilization is not as great compared to fullHD stabilization".
It seems that you have found your solution already. Trade your realme for redmi note 5 pro. Enjoy.

The problem I found is that recording in 1080/60 fps is very laggy and not smooth. In Realme 3 60fps is ultra smooth

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The problem I found is that recording in 1080/60 fps is very laggy and not smooth. In Realme 3 60fps is ultra smooth
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Interesting, thnaks for pointing this problem out.
I haven't tested the 1080p yet. Been trying to find a solution for the lack of EIS in 4K only, but I would not be surprised if there is a problem with 1080p too.

Videos are also undersaturated. In photo you can boost colors but not in video.
Now, for me the camera was the main reason to buy this phone. I record video lectures and video recording is very important for me, especially 1080/60fps (maybe sd712 supports also 4k60fps?), EIS and all this stuff. I compared this camera to camera from Realme 3 pro and recordings and photos made with r3pro are nicely saturated and 60 fps is super smooth. I had also impression that in 1080/30fps with EIS Realme 3 pro was doing better job in terms of smoothness. Definitely our hardware has potential but seems that software is messed up. Only hope is that Realme will do something with that. But we have to make them somehow aware of the problem.

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Videos are also undersaturated. In photo you can boost colors but not in video.
Now, for me the camera was the main reason to buy this phone. I record video lectures and video recording is very important for me, especially 1080/60fps (maybe sd712 supports also 4k60fps?), EIS and all this stuff. I compared this camera to camera from Realme 3 pro and recordings and photos made with r3pro are nicely saturated and 60 fps is super smooth. I had also impression that in 1080/30fps with EIS Realme 3 pro was doing better job in terms of smoothness. Definitely our hardware has potential but seems that software is messed up. Only hope is that Realme will do something with that. But we have to make them somehow aware of the problem.
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Same here. I bought this phone mainly because of its cameras and also because the hardware specs looked great on paper.
However, the camera software that came with the phone turned out to be a pile of horse manure. This Realme 5 Pro deal is like having a Ferrari and not being able to drive it faster than 10 mph.
Let's start sending mails to Realme's development team and see if they would care to do something about it.

ColorOS 7 is coming to our device in February, going to be (suppose to be) major update, hopefully they will fix it in this update. Is there any plan for December or January update?

you guys should try cinema 4k camera app i tried it on my friend redmi note 7.
it was awesome it can record 4k videos @30fps with eis very smooth.
but my realme x2 cant i have been trying to root it so to know if i can get eis in third party camera like GCAM,filmic pro and cinema 4k

I'm getting 5-6 second freezes in slow motion 240 fps!!! On stock ROM. 120 is slightly better but... This if pathetic

Somehow i feel from this thread that flagship output is being expected from a mid-ranger.
Expectations from the device should be realistic and not wish based.

mandhir.s.bajwa said:
Somehow i feel from this thread that flagship output is being expected from a mid-ranger.
Expectations from the device should be realistic and not wish based.
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The reality is that Redmi 5 pro (Snapdragon 636) can pull smooth 1080/60 fps recording and 4k with EIS. Realme 5 pro cannot. And our wishes are based on the fact that in our device seats Snapdragon 712 and high-end optics (same like in OnePlus 7t). This are realistic, common sense expectations

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Somehow i feel from this thread that flagship output is being expected from a mid-ranger.
Expectations from the device should be realistic and not wish based.
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Devices with weaker processors can record 4K video with EIS. There is no reason why Realme 5 Pro should not be able to do the same.
R5P does have the necessary hardware power, it is a matter of writing the right software. Hope the developers at Realme would do something about it.