On paper Realme 5 Pro has a great hardware profile, but in reality its camera app is super lame and pretty much useless.
1. First of all, the stock camera app does not allow us to shoot in the most popular 16:9 ratio. Even the so called "Expert mode" is stuck at 4:3 and there is no way to expertly change this. Are you kidding me??? What kind of an expert would shoot in 4:3 anyway??
2. Second, the camera app does not offer much of a choice between different resolutions. We are stuck with only three options - 48MP, 12MP and the super small (and thus completely useless) 2MP macro. And that's all, folks... Even my old 2014 phone offers a plethora of resolutions to choose from. Not Realme 5 Pro, though.
3. Third, the camera app does not offer electronic image stabilization (EIS) for 4K video. Again, it is almost year 2020 and 4K is THE standard these days. Not offering image stabilization for 4K is like not offering 4K at all. I know that the hardware allows it, so sit on your butts and release an update that offers EIS for 4K video!
4. Last, but not least - there are no Gcam or Sapdragon Camera app distributions that work without problems on Realme 5 Pro. So not only the stock camera app sucks, but on top of that third party apps do not work properly with it as well.
So far Realme 5 Pro's camera app has been an enormous disappointment!
I really hope that the people form the software department of Realme would read this and would offer the necessary updates, so people would finally be able to make use of this phone's cameras. Owners should start sending them messages about all these issues.
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You can change to 16:9 in settings.
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You can change to 16:9 in settings.
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No, you cannot change to 16:9 in the settings.
You only have three options to choose from:
- 4:3
- 1:1
- Full screen (which is something like 19.5:9)
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On paper Realme 5 Pro has a great hardware profile, but in reality its camera app is super lame and pretty much useless.
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I think realme 5 pro, with gcam, is one the best camera you can have at its price range. Actually, forget about comparing it with the similarly priced phones. So go ahead, borrow your friend's galaxy s9 or s10 as I did, compare the result side by side on large pc monitor and tell me your finding.
1. First of all, the stock camera app does not allow us to shoot in the most popular 16:9 ratio. Even the so called "Expert mode" is stuck at 4:3 and there is no way to expertly change this. Are you kidding me??? What kind of an expert would shoot in 4:3 anyway??
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Almost all image sensor chip in modern smartphone like Sony IMX586 in realme 5 pro is 4:3 ratio. So is the sensor in mirrorless MFT camera. So 4:3 image will give you native and full resolution. Any other ratio like 16:9 is cropped out from 4:3 image, that means less area covered vertically and thus less mega pixel. You can always crop to 16:9 format in software.
2. Second, the camera app does not offer much of a choice between different resolutions. We are stuck with only three options - 48MP, 12MP and the super small (and thus completely useless) 2MP macro. And that's all, folks... Even my old 2014 phone offers a plethora of resolutions to choose from. Not Realme 5 Pro, though.
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Again, do a little research and you'll see much more expensive phones are 12 MP. Why would you want other resolution like 8 / 6 / 4 MP? To save space? Or higher than 12 MP like 16 or 24 MP for example? Why do you think the most expensive phones in the market capped at 12 MP? Hint: higher MP does not mean better picture.
3. Third, the camera app does not offer electronic image stabilization (EIS) for 4K video. Again, it is almost year 2020 and 4K is THE standard these days. Not offering image stabilization for 4K is like not offering 4K at all. I know that the hardware allows it, so sit on your butts and release an update that offers EIS for 4K video!
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Which other phones in the price range of realme 5 pro that do EIS in 4K? A little suggestion, get a gimbal like DJI Osmo mobile 3 that cost a little over USD 100 and get much better result.
4. Last, but not least - there are no Gcam or Sapdragon Camera app distributions that work without problems on Realme 5 Pro. So not only the stock camera app sucks, but on top of that third party apps do not work properly with it as well.
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My gcam works fine here for photos. For video I use stock camera because it has EIS. If you mean the slow motion feature of gcam, look around and you'll see that feature doesn't work in other phones as well.
So far Realme 5 Pro's camera app has been an enormous disappointment!
I really hope that the people form the software department of Realme would read this and would offer the necessary updates, so people would finally be able to make use of this phone's cameras. Owners should start sending them messages about all these issues.
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You would have better luck doing that in realme official forum than here at xda.
Thank you for your reply, Gnusvol.
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I think realme 5 pro, with gcam, is one the best camera you can have at its price range.
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I totally disagree and you will find out why below.
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Actually, forget about comparing it with the similarly priced phones. So go ahead, borrow your friend's galaxy s9 or s10 as I did, compare the result side by side on large pc monitor and tell me your finding.
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My finding is TONS of very coarse noise in the shadows, mushy definition and blurred lines. This is what my finding is.
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Almost all image sensor chip in modern smartphone like Sony IMX586 in realme 5 pro is 4:3 ratio. So is the sensor in mirrorless MFT camera. So 4:3 image will give you native and full resolution. Any other ratio like 16:9 is cropped out from 4:3 image, that means less area covered vertically and thus less mega pixel. You can always crop to 16:9 format in software.
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I need in-camera 16:9, so I can do my frame compositing in the viewfinder, while I am shooting. I can't be bothered to crop 4:3 down to 16:9 in post production (which can lead to all sorts of trouble, like having to chop a subject's limb off). You need to know what the final result would be from the get go.
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Again, do a little research and you'll see much more expensive phones are 12 MP. Why would you want other resolution like 8 / 6 / 4 MP? To save space? Or higher than 12 MP like 16 or 24 MP for example? Why do you think the most expensive phones in the market capped at 12 MP? Hint: higher MP does not mean better picture.
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I know that higher Megapixels do not always equate to better quality picture. However, I shoot hundreds of photos daily and I need the smaller MP sizes to save memory and also to have faster speeds in post-processing (smaller photos load and render faster in PhotShop and LightRoom than 48MP or even 12MP photos). Having the option to choose from several file sizes is just good for general flexibility - and flexibility is a thing that is always nice to have.
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Which other phones in the price range of realme 5 pro that do EIS in 4K? A little suggestion, get a gimbal like DJI Osmo mobile 3 that cost a little over USD 100 and get much better result.
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I don't know which other phones do have EIS in 4K, I am a Realme 5 Pro owner and this is the only phone that I care about. And it so happens that this phone does not have EIS in 4K, which sucks.
If I wanted to carry a gimbal with me, I'd be better off carrying a bulky mirrorless camera with in-body-image-stabilization. A gimbal defies the purpose of shooting with a phone (which is the phone's pocket size, mobility and portability). Tripods, gimbals, steadicams, etc. are not needed and are a burden when you simply have EIS. So the guys from Realme should put their efforts in offering this option to the users.
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My gcam works fine here for photos. For video I use stock camera because it has EIS. If you mean the slow motion feature of gcam, look around and you'll see that feature doesn't work in other phones as well.
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Gcam doesn't work at all for video on my Realme 5 Pro. It crashes with slowmo, it does not offer EIS in 4K and it doesn't even offer 4K video recording. Also, the photo sizes can't be adjusted to my liking, just as with the stock camera app.
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Thank you for your reply, Gnusvol.
My finding is TONS of very coarse noise in the shadows, mushy definition and blurred lines. This is what my finding is.
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Which gcam variant are you talking about? I am using this one. It does 16:9 at 8.3 and 6 MP flawlessly and should address one of your concern.
I don't know which other phones do have EIS in 4K, I am a Realme 5 Pro owner and this is the only phone that I care about. And it so happens that this phone does not have EIS in 4K, which sucks.
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You said realme 5 pro is completely useless because of that one feature missing, and yet you can't, and will not, find any other phones that can do that. The title should be written like: "ALL phones that can't do EIS in 4K are completely useless". Good luck in finding the alternative, this year or even the next at this price range.
Gcam doesn't work at all for video on my Realme 5 Pro. It crashes with slowmo, it does not offer EIS and it doesn't even offer 4K video recording. Also, the photo sizes can't be adjusted to my liking, just as with the stock camera app.
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Video recording works fine with the version given above.
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Which gcam variant are you talking about? I am using this one. It does 16:9 at 8.3 and 6 MP flawlessly and should address one of your concern.
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I was using Gcam 7.2
Your older version of Gcam seems to offer 16:9 (which is nice!), however, there is still no way to shoot video in 4K with this version (see attached screenshot below). It only allows for 1080p, 720p and 480p - no 4K option to be seen on the horizon...
...and just because we can have 16:9 through older Google Camera versions, doesn't make Realme 5 Pro's stock camera app less useless. It is complete garbage and needs a ton of work before it can offer anything useful to the owners.
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You said realme 5 pro is completely useless because of that one feature missing, and yet you can't, and will not, find any other phones that can do that. The title should be written like: "ALL phones that can't do EIS in 4K are completely useless". Good luck in finding the alternative, this year or even the next at this price range.
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Phones with a Snapdragon processor (like Realme 5 Pro) are supposed to work in 4K with EIS, when using the Snapdragon Camera app. So, obviously the hardware allows it, and it is just a matter of writing the right software.
Unfortunately, like I said in my original post, there are no Sapdragon Camera app distributions that work on Realme 5 Pro. Or at least not yet. So, not only the stock camera app sucks, but on top of that good third party apps do not work properly with it as well.
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I was using Gcam 7.2
Your older version of Gcam seems to offer 16:9 (which is nice!), however, there is still no way to shoot video in 4K with this version (see attached screenshot below). It only allows for 1080p, 720p and 480p - no 4K option to be seen on the horizon...
...and just because we can have 16:9 through older Google Camera versions, doesn't make Realme 5 Pro's stock camera app less useless. It is complete garbage and needs a ton of work before it can offer anything useful to the owners.
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Complete garbage? Well, speak for yourself. I am the owner of this phone, and I think the stock camera is nice for shooting video in FHD 30 fps with EIS when I don't bring my dji gimbal. I don't shoot in 4K, only FHD. I'm sure the majority owner of realme 5 pro don't feel as strongly as you do about 4K video for a phone that cost only about USD 200-250 depending on the variant.
Phones with a Snapdragon processor (like Realme 5 Pro) are supposed to work in 4K with EIS, when using the Snapdragon Camera app. So, obviously the hardware allows it, and it is just a matter of writing the right software.
Unfortunately, like I said in my original post, there are no Sapdragon Camera app distributions that work on Realme 5 Pro. Or at least not yet. So, not only the stock camera app sucks, but on top of that good third party apps do not work properly with it as well.
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There are a lot of assumptions there. Name one phone with SD7xxx, SD6xx, or even the ones with SD8xx that can do EIS in 4K. Usually when a person says that the camera of phone A is "completely useless" or "complete garbage", he/she would ready to provide a proof that better phone B, C, or D do exist. And with that, I rest my case.
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Complete garbage? Well, speak for yourself. I am the owner of this phone, and I think the stock camera is nice for shooting video in FHD 30 fps with EIS when I don't bring my dji gimbal. I don't shoot in 4K, only FHD. I'm sure the majority owner of realme 5 pro don't feel as strongly as you do about 4K video for a phone that cost only about USD 200-250 depending on the variant.
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Are you telling me that the stock camera app is "nice" because users don't need to shoot 4K video anyway?
Are you telling me that just because YOU don't shoot in 4K, then everybody else shouldn't too?
Speak for yourself, buddy, because 4K is the new standard in video and if you are not shooting in 4K, you are just living in the past.
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There are a lot of assumptions there. Name one phone with SD7xxx, SD6xx, or even the ones with SD8xx that can do EIS in 4K. Usually when a person says that the camera of phone A is "completely useless" or "complete garbage", he/she would ready to provide a proof that better phone B, C, or D do exist. And with that, I rest my case.
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You want me to name one phone that has EIS in 4k?
OK, buddy, here you go: Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro shoots 4K with EIS when using the Opencamera app.
And surprise, surprise, the Snapdragon CPU on Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro is an OLDER model than the one in Realme 5 Pro.
So, if a phone with an old Snapdragon 636 CPU and only 3 GB of RAM can shoot 4K with EIS, then why a phone with Snapdragon 712 woudn't???
The answer is: because the developers at Realme need to sit on their butts and start working on this major issue. Otherwise, Realme 5 Pro is just a total waste of decent hardware.
Your arguments just don't hold water, so instead of grasping at straws, go ahead and write a letter to Realme's developer team. Maybe if enough owners write them, they would listen and would do something about it.
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Are you telling me that the stock camera app is "nice" because users don't need to shoot 4K video anyway?
Are you telling me that just because YOU don't shoot in 4K, then everybody else shouldn't too?
Speak for yourself, buddy, because 4K is the new standard in video and if you are not shooting in 4K, you are just living in the past.
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I don't tell you to do anything, do what you please. Sell it if you have to and see if I care one bit.
You want me to name one phone that has EIS in 4k?
OK, buddy, here you go: Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro shoots 4K with EIS when using the Opencamera app.
And surprise, surprise, the Snapdragon CPU on Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro is an OLDER model than the one in Realme 5 Pro.
So, if a phone with an old Snapdragon 636 CPU and only 3 GB of RAM can shoot 4K with EIS, then why a phone with Snapdragon 712 woudn't???
The answer is: because the developers at Realme need to sit on their butts and start working on this major issue. Otherwise, Realme 5 Pro is just a total waste of decent hardware.
Your arguments just don't hold water, so instead of grasping at straws, go ahead and write a letter to Realme's developer team. Maybe if enough owners write them, they would listen and would do something about it.
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Is that the best you can do, giving a link to a thread that none has participated, with "reserved for video samples" post that has not been updated since last march? The OP even said: "the stabilization is not as great compared to fullHD stabilization".
It seems that you have found your solution already. Trade your realme for redmi note 5 pro. Enjoy.
The problem I found is that recording in 1080/60 fps is very laggy and not smooth. In Realme 3 60fps is ultra smooth
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The problem I found is that recording in 1080/60 fps is very laggy and not smooth. In Realme 3 60fps is ultra smooth
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Interesting, thnaks for pointing this problem out.
I haven't tested the 1080p yet. Been trying to find a solution for the lack of EIS in 4K only, but I would not be surprised if there is a problem with 1080p too.
Videos are also undersaturated. In photo you can boost colors but not in video.
Now, for me the camera was the main reason to buy this phone. I record video lectures and video recording is very important for me, especially 1080/60fps (maybe sd712 supports also 4k60fps?), EIS and all this stuff. I compared this camera to camera from Realme 3 pro and recordings and photos made with r3pro are nicely saturated and 60 fps is super smooth. I had also impression that in 1080/30fps with EIS Realme 3 pro was doing better job in terms of smoothness. Definitely our hardware has potential but seems that software is messed up. Only hope is that Realme will do something with that. But we have to make them somehow aware of the problem.
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Videos are also undersaturated. In photo you can boost colors but not in video.
Now, for me the camera was the main reason to buy this phone. I record video lectures and video recording is very important for me, especially 1080/60fps (maybe sd712 supports also 4k60fps?), EIS and all this stuff. I compared this camera to camera from Realme 3 pro and recordings and photos made with r3pro are nicely saturated and 60 fps is super smooth. I had also impression that in 1080/30fps with EIS Realme 3 pro was doing better job in terms of smoothness. Definitely our hardware has potential but seems that software is messed up. Only hope is that Realme will do something with that. But we have to make them somehow aware of the problem.
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Same here. I bought this phone mainly because of its cameras and also because the hardware specs looked great on paper.
However, the camera software that came with the phone turned out to be a pile of horse manure. This Realme 5 Pro deal is like having a Ferrari and not being able to drive it faster than 10 mph.
Let's start sending mails to Realme's development team and see if they would care to do something about it.
ColorOS 7 is coming to our device in February, going to be (suppose to be) major update, hopefully they will fix it in this update. Is there any plan for December or January update?
you guys should try cinema 4k camera app i tried it on my friend redmi note 7.
it was awesome it can record 4k videos @30fps with eis very smooth.
but my realme x2 cant i have been trying to root it so to know if i can get eis in third party camera like GCAM,filmic pro and cinema 4k
I'm getting 5-6 second freezes in slow motion 240 fps!!! On stock ROM. 120 is slightly better but... This if pathetic
Somehow i feel from this thread that flagship output is being expected from a mid-ranger.
Expectations from the device should be realistic and not wish based.
mandhir.s.bajwa said:
Somehow i feel from this thread that flagship output is being expected from a mid-ranger.
Expectations from the device should be realistic and not wish based.
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The reality is that Redmi 5 pro (Snapdragon 636) can pull smooth 1080/60 fps recording and 4k with EIS. Realme 5 pro cannot. And our wishes are based on the fact that in our device seats Snapdragon 712 and high-end optics (same like in OnePlus 7t). This are realistic, common sense expectations
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Somehow i feel from this thread that flagship output is being expected from a mid-ranger.
Expectations from the device should be realistic and not wish based.
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Devices with weaker processors can record 4K video with EIS. There is no reason why Realme 5 Pro should not be able to do the same.
R5P does have the necessary hardware power, it is a matter of writing the right software. Hope the developers at Realme would do something about it.
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Wonder why can't OP or most manufacturers get the camera app right like Google does?
The stock camera on op6 is awful.
The camera has no wide angle and objects are too near than they actually are.
Normal or HDR is grainy work noise.
Pfa
Here's my picture. No edit, no nothing. I don't think that camera is pathetic..
Edit, forum seem to pixelate these over 7mb pics..
Let's see if this helps:
I didn't see the Panorama mode? Is OSS support this mode?
The OP6 is not known for his camera. Like every OP.
And in addition I agree that their stock camera app is far from the best seen on android.
Not that the needed options are not here. But this feels not ergonomic. Or maybe it's to early after having a new phone to say...
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I didn't see the Panorama mode? Is OSS support this mode?
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Which OSS version do you have ? In 5.1.7, Panorama mode is the last one on the bottom of the camera modes menu.
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The OP6 is not known for his camera. Like every OP.
And in addition I agree that their stock camera app is far from the best seen on android.
Not that the needed options are not here. But this feels not ergonomic. Or maybe it's to early after having a new phone to say...
Which OSS version do you have ? In 5.1.7, Panorama mode is the last one on the bottom of the camera modes menu.
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Thank you, i found it. It's hide under up icon indicator
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Wonder why can't OP or most manufacturers get the camera app right like Google does?
The stock camera on op6 is awful.
The camera has no wide angle and objects are too near than they actually are.
Normal or HDR is grainy work noise.
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Wonder why can't OP or most manufacturers get the camera app right like Google does?
You can install many camera apps like Google. Search the Google Play store.
The stock camera on op6 is awful.
It's actually very good. Not GS9 good but close.
The camera has no wide angle and objects are too near than they actually are.
This camera uses EIS to alleviate shaky hands and walking shakiness. Stop doing drugs
Normal or HDR is grainy work noise.
There is some noise in dark shots, but nowhere near the previous generation cameras.
It's a very good camera.
Buy a pixel then? I don't understand people. This camera is just as good in most situations as the pixel camera and when it's not, it's damn close. If people are going to complain it's not as good as a pixel camera and it's that important to you then damn, spend $300+ more and get a pixel.
I'm not trying to be snarky but what are you expecting on a phone that is $300-$400 less than another phone? There is a reason you bought a $500 phone and not a $800-$1000 phone
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Buy a pixel then? I don't understand people. This camera is just as good in most situations as the pixel camera and when it's not, it's damn close. If people are going to complain it's not as good as a pixel camera and it's that important to you then damn, spend $300+ more and get a pixel.
I'm not trying to be snarky but what are you expecting on a phone that is $300-$400 less than another phone? There is a reason you bought a $500 phone and not a $800-$1000 phone
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It's not the bests camera if you have a baby. I struggle to get an infocus shot the first time which If you have a kid you need.
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It's not the bests camera if you have a baby. I struggle to get an infocus shot the first time which If you have a kid you need.
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Why not get a baby camera then?
Galaxy S9 is fantastic. Huge aperture, huge pixel size - perfect for moving objects and low light shots.
S9 is like $700.
S9 is a beautiful phone. Wait till Samsung.com unleashes its sales. The first sale was -$150 off on ATT branded S9 about a month ago. The second sale was -$200 off on Verizon branded S9 two weeks ago.
I bought the ATT one for a friend, requested and got it sim unlocked in 3 days.
Good deal.
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Why not get a baby camera then?
Galaxy S9 is fantastic. Huge aperture, huge pixel size - perfect for moving objects and low light shots.
S9 is like $700.
S9 is a beautiful phone. Wait till Samsung.com unleashes its sales. The first sale was -$150 off on ATT branded S9 about a month ago. The second sale was -$200 off on Verizon branded S9 two weeks ago.
I bought the ATT one for a friend, requested and got it sim unlocked in 3 days.
Good deal.
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Impractical. I use my wife's S8 most of the time.
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I wouldn't call it "pathetic". I compare my Note 8 to my OnePlus 6 and have to say:
• The OP6 focuses better in videos than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. All cars, signs, etc. were perfectly focused whilst the Note 8 really struggled focusing one single thing. Autofocus can't be turned off it seems.
• The OP6 stabilizes images and videos better than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. OIS and EIS on OP6 is great. The Note 8 found its limits where the OP6 succeeded.
• More natural colors on the OP6 compared to the Note 8.
• OP6 only needs half the power to keep the camera running. The Note 8 really got hot in some situations, where the OP6 stood cool. Also tested by driving on average roads.
Sure: I miss the real 2x zoom on my Note 8. Night shots are better on the Note 8 too and even with some issues, the Note 8 wins. But it's a damn close win, because it should only be a matter of time, until good developers will do a dailydriver Google Camera port for the OP6.
And even if OP6 has its flaws: I love it more than my Note 8. Why? Find out by yourself.
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Impractical. I use my wife's S8 most of the time.
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I use your wife's S8 too. Not so good.
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I wouldn't call it "pathetic". I compare my Note 8 to my OnePlus 6 and have to say:
• The OP6 focuses better in videos than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. All cars, signs, etc. were perfectly focused whilst the Note 8 really struggled focusing one single thing. Autofocus can't be turned off it seems.
• The OP6 stabilizes images and videos better than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. OIS and EIS on OP6 is great. The Note 8 found its limits where the OP6 succeeded.
• More natural colors on the OP6 compared to the Note 8.
• OP6 only needs half the power to keep the camera running. The Note 8 really got hot in some situations, where the OP6 stood cool. Also tested by driving on average roads.
Sure: I miss the real 2x zoom on my Note 8. Night shots are better on the Note 8 too and even with some issues, the Note 8 wins. But it's a damn close win, because it should only be a matter of time, until good developers will do a dailydriver Google Camera port for the OP6.
And even if OP6 has its flaws: I love it more than my Note 8. Why? Find out by yourself.
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I think it's more about the camera app, than the camera itself. Samsung allows you to change the aspect ratio, resolution, framerate, storage location, different grid sizes, gestures, and a dozen different modes including pro mode.
Hm. Grid can be changed up to the Golden Ratio. Framerate is also changeable: 720p with 480FPS and 1080p with 240FPS. Gestures... dunno. Never needed on my Note 8. Aspect is also here. The only thing missing: Different sizes for the photos. I'd like to go back to 12MP, because of better photos (seen from the technical side).
Sooner or later we will have a fully working Google camera. At worst after pixel 3 launch, but it will surely happen.
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I think it's more about the camera app, than the camera itself. Samsung allows you to change the aspect ratio, resolution, framerate, storage location, different grid sizes, gestures, and a dozen different modes including pro mode.
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OP6 has a pro-mode, I just point and clicking so I don't use it but it's there.
here's my gripes
> Panoramas aren't stabilized, so unless you are a machine while turning around being completely still it won't come out good
> Videos focus in and out so much when there are moving objects it makes it pointless
These two things bother me a lot
This best camera I used, after comparing to mi 8, Zenfone 5z, s8 and v30. V30 has the best manual mode. The 5z before latest update had terrible videos, I was I had purchased it to replace my v30 and pictures only came very clear during daytime.
Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the Xiaomi Mi 9 come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Coming from a Mi Mix 2S I can not stress enough how great the Video quality is on this Phone. Smooth 60FPS in a 4K Video and very fast and crisp autofocus makes this camera a joy.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kE1YdfFzzhJZKdLAA
The Mi 9 does suffer from judder in 4K 30fps which are a result of missed frames.
This has also been confirmed on dxomark review
Hopefully this can be fixed in a software update
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The Mi 9 does suffer from judder in 4K 30fps which are a result of missed frames.
This has also been confirmed on dxomark review
Hopefully this can be fixed in a software update
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Yeah, a lot of my 4k 30 fps videos have this problem
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Yeah, a lot of my 4k 30 fps videos have this problem
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We need to hit up the xiaomi forum and get some confirmations on my thread.
https://en.miui.com/thread-6006991-1-1.html
Register and reply back to the thread and give a confirmation that you experience the same issue. This will make them investigate the issue
A video recorded by me from Xiaomi Store in London in 4K 30fps with stabilisation (judder / dropped frames)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYCKvPU-ir4
I have same issue with my brand new mi9..
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I have same issue with my brand new mi9..
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For some reason the videos look worse on YouTube then on my 4K Samsung TV. This may due to the way YouTube processes those dropped frames, during its conversion process.
This needs to be fixed as its a big disappointment.
The Snapdragon 855 has more than enough power to handle 4K at 30fps with AI stabilisation but the Mi 9 lack of OIS could be the reason why it struggles during panning
The video is EXTREMELY SHAKY - EIS seems nonexistant.
- Audio is 14/20 (concert recording ok, quieter scenes a bit less nice)
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- This is due to limitations on 4K60
- EIS is good on 4K30 - but then there are dropped frames.
I dislike the EIS implementation of Xiaomi (so called stabilization) on the Mi 9. It crops the image and you loose sharpness over stabilization. If you turn it off you also have a wider view.
My other phone (Mi 9 SE) the EIS is less agressive, so the crop is less perhaps due to the lesser cpu. The actual image looks better because it is sharper, detailed and has a wider view. The problem is that EIS causes judder when panning because the software is not optimized and more judder with lesser cpu. I actually prefer that they implemented the EIS on the Mi 9 with less cropping.
Strange is that I disable stabilization on both Mi 9 and Mi 9 SE but the video is still sharper and more detailed on the Mi 9 SE.
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I dislike the EIS implementation of Xiaomi (so called stabilization) on the Mi 9. It crops the image and you loose sharpness over stabilization. E.
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To be noted that now Gcam supports EIS in 4k 30 fps and 60 fps with much less cropping.
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To be noted that now Gcam supports EIS in 4k 30 fps and 60 fps with much less cropping.
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The stabilization is not as slider smooth as MIUI cam, though. I'd still prefer to disable EIS and have my gimbal for serious video recording.
Its excellent actually thanks to the new GCAM mod by urnyx05. It supports 100Mbits 4K 60fps videos with working video stabilization!! Working video stabilization on 4k 60fps is really uncommon. Non of the flagships have it nor even iPhones support it.
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Its excellent actually thanks to the new GCAM mod by urnyx05. It supports 100Mbits 4K 60fps videos with working video stabilization!! Working video stabilization on 4k 60fps is really uncommon. Non of the flagships have it nor even iPhones support it.
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Actually, many of today's flagship can stabilize [email protected] including but not limited to iPhone 11 series, Samsung S20 series, even OPPO Find X2 Pro can do it as well. Xiaomi isn't left behind as Mi 10 series can do it, unfortunately as typical Xiaomi, they don't backport many features to older devices.
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Its excellent actually thanks to the new GCAM mod by urnyx05. It supports 100Mbits 4K 60fps videos with working video stabilization!! Working video stabilization on 4k 60fps is really uncommon. Non of the flagships have it nor even iPhones support it.
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Hi, can you please point out which version of the GCam you're talking about? I've been looking for ways to get at least 1080p 60fps with EIS on my Mi9 but no luck so far..
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Hi, can you please point out which version of the GCam you're talking about? I've been looking for ways to get at least 1080p 60fps with EIS on my Mi9 but no luck so far..
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https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-urnyx05/
So, Qualcomm said that Snapdragon 845 to 865 is capable to record HDR/HDR10/HDR10+/DOLBY VISION videos, our phone have the last and more powerful one.
The question is, we have this feature or not? I can't seem to find it anywhere on the system or camera app, the only mention to hdr is in the specsheet from oficial site.
The last samsung phones from s9 up have this, so processing power is not the factor.
If it can't do this is a hardware limitation or xiaomi reserved it for the ultra high priced flagships?
Maybe someone can figure it out.
This is the official video from Qualcomm, they said is recorded with S10s and N10s.
Researched a little more and find that SD865 can do other dozen of things that we dont have, like 4K 120fps record, 720p 960fps without limit and more... So, software limitation? Hardware? Poco forced by xiaomi limitation?
I am looking for the same. The dynamic range is too low in the stock camera, I want more than one frame to be taken and combined in the video to obtain a better dynamic range. The Snapdragon 865 is capable of doing that and I can't find a way to do it. I also remember seeing it in a Galaxy S9 +, it seems that Xiaomi limits us functions to give them to superior phones (Mi 10 Ultra i think?). I have not tried the ANX camera yet.
EDIT: Mi 10 ultra has "Dual ISO Fusion Super Dynamic technology", basically HDR recording.
There are some mods to enable hdr10 in miui like this but these mods are very old. I don't want or need the hdr10+, I'm just looking for Dual ISO recording, just like the mi 10 ultra.
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I am looking for the same. The dynamic range is too low in the stock camera, I want more than one frame to be taken and combined in the video to obtain a better dynamic range. The Snapdragon 865 is capable of doing that and I can't find a way to do it. I also remember seeing it in a Galaxy S9 +, it seems that Xiaomi limits us functions to give them to superior phones (Mi 10 Ultra i think?). I have not tried the ANX camera yet.
EDIT: Mi 10 ultra has "Dual ISO Fusion Super Dynamic technology", basically HDR recording.
There are some mods to enable hdr10 in miui like this but these mods are very old. I don't want or need the hdr10+, I'm just looking for Dual ISO recording, just like the mi 10 ultra.
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Some users said that IS the camera module/sensor that don't support so high Bandwidth, something with dram. They say that the camera module almost fryes when recording 8k vídeo...
But i don't think that It can handle 8k30 but not 1080pHDR or 720p960fps more than 1-2 seconds....
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Some users said that IS the camera module/sensor that don't support so high Bandwidth, something with dram. They say that the camera module almost fryes when recording 8k vídeo...
But i don't think that It can handle 8k30 but not 1080pHDR or 720p960fps more than 1-2 seconds....
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So the IMX586 sensor can and the version that supposedly followed it, the IMX686 can't? They could also have implemented it by software, making it shoot at 1080p 120 and interleave frames with different iso to form an hdr image at 1080p 30.
I think that Xiaomi's problem is that they have so many devices that they don't have time to develop each one well. (G translate)
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So the IMX586 sensor can and the version that supposedly followed it, the IMX686 can't? They could also have implemented it by software, making it shoot at 1080p 120 and interleave frames with different iso to form an hdr image at 1080p 30.
I think that Xiaomi's problem is that they have so many devices that they don't have time to develop each one well. (G translate)
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The imx586 can do hdr video? Which phone?
Maybe is software limitation by xiaomi to try sell their high end phones (mi10/pro/ultra)
Tino are you BR as well?
pocof2 can record hdr10 also with eis enabled. from 1080p-8k. but not with stock camera.
to get it working you must use the hvec codec("omx.qcom.video.encoder.hvec")
profile level: "hvec profile main10 hdr10 hvechightierlevel6"
then you can set the key org.quic.camera2.streamconfigs.HDRVideoMode to 1 for hlg or 2 for pq.
after that the poco records 10 bit.
hi GPpro7 users,
I would love to have your answers as users about this :
I have had two old Samsungs (A5 and S8), and they have "old" 12mp cameras...and I have been thinking that nowadays, that's 5 years later, cameras had gotten amazing and I would buy myself one of those, reading about your device the pixel pro 7, about the iPhone, the xiaomi mi11 ultra, the honour magic 4 ultimate, the S22 ultra, the iPhone 14 etc...
I went mad when I read about affordable 48mp, even 64mp and 108 mp cameras that are affordable...and completely puzzled when I read the reviews. Only to end up comparing my own shots to the sample images I could find online, understanding that to my knowledge those cameras produce plain 12mp at all, and any attempt to enlarge them to the claimed say 64 or 108mp size will just give me an unusable image with atrocious quality, whatever the phone.
Then I found about this tool that lets you compare cameras for real after I had read the complete commercial nonsense fuelled reviews online:
Camera comparison tool
see for yourselves how supposedly camera of the year doesn't look 1200€ less cheap than my S8...it is just amazing...no phone really beats others, even old phones...it's all low-quality 12Mp jpegs, that's about not an even decent 8mp jpeg...
And I wanted to buy one because I photoshop for a living, and last camera I had was around 2005, it produced good 8mp raw images, so I could make them great quality material for photo-montages, and therefore produce prints that'd be larger than A4.
It seems I wouldn't even be able to do that with nowadays top-level smartphones that claim they offer 108Mp...and I'm asking because the online info, or basic science, about it online is just misleading.
Please, I would love your own feeling-experience with your device that is supposed to bear awesome 50mp cameras, rather than trust anything that was posted online from reviews to camera samples that could be anything. When they say 50mp, the quality of raw files is the one of average enlarged 8-12mp compressed jpegs, or not ?
Thank you
You get way better pictures on newer phones.
The only time you might see similar results are with perfect lighting.
Thats it.
The sensors are better.
Its one of the few things that actually evolve on phones.
I've had Xiaomi phones with 'AMAZING MEGAPIXELS'.
Its never amazing.
In low light they are so bad compared to flagships from Sony, Samsung and Google.
thank you you summed it up, I couldn't find any info anywhere behind the advertising techniques, I wonder if I can get pro quality , that's actual 50mp fine results, for using it professionally, so I'll be waiting for further replies.
Everything they advertise looks like nothing but better looking -less noisy and all - 12mp jpegs at all, plus good zooming abilities in a few cases, but not as the name suggests, high end pro cameras at all.
I take photos for work on fabrics and carpets. I need an excellent camera phone that takes photos with colors as similar to real colors as possible.
What is the best android phone for my needs?
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I take photos for work on fabrics and carpets. I need an excellent camera phone that takes photos with colors as similar to real colors as possible.
What is the best android phone for my needs?
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None, get yourself a DSLR or a mirrorless camera if you need "accurate" colors. All of the phones have their own way of post-processing the photos and almost none of them result in accurate colors.
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thank you you summed it up, I couldn't find any info anywhere behind the advertising techniques, I wonder if I can get pro quality , that's actual 50mp fine results, for using it professionally, so I'll be waiting for further replies.
Everything they advertise looks like nothing but better looking -less noisy and all - 12mp jpegs at all, plus good zooming abilities in a few cases, but not as the name suggests, high end pro cameras at all.
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If you're talking about RAW, not none of the OEMs offer non-binned images in RAW. You always get the binned output even when shooting RAW photos.
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If you're talking about RAW, not none of the OEMs offer non-binned images in RAW. You always get the binned output even when shooting RAW photos.
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thank you, yes from the advertisement or product description, one hopes for a say 108 mp good quality camera, that will offer you PLENTY of sharp details in every photograph, like...can zoom anywhere and get a new A4 to exploit. And I'm very disappointed...
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None, get yourself a DSLR or a mirrorless camera if you need "accurate" colors. All of the phones have their own way of post-processing the photos and almost none of them result in accurate colors.
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Thanks but I know. My question is about camera phones
There are some really good YT Vids comparing phone cameras.
Marques Brownlee did a few really involved comparisons of various modes and features of the newest phones. The Pixel Devices, 6 Pro, 6A and 7 Pro were the top picks
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Thanks but I know. My question is about camera phones
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check the comparison tool link I posted in the first post. Recent Xiaomi phones seem interesting regarding colour fidelity.
but anyway it relies on the ambient light as you shoot too , an app like Color Grabber may help
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There are some really good YT Vids comparing phone cameras.
Marques Brownlee did a few really involved comparisons of various modes and features of the newest phones. The Pixel Devices, 6 Pro, 6A and 7 Pro were the top picks
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I dont need best camera phone, i need best camera phone with realistic and natural colors
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I dont need best camera phone, i need best camera phone with realistic and natural colors
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I get that, but this is a phone first, not a camera and you're not going to get everything you would with an actual camera, at least at this point, although Phone cameras have come a long, long way.
I think people need to be reminded this is a communications device, primarily.
The point of the videos is that those things are taken into consideration in the comparisons.
The sensor is 48 MP, but it blends groups of 4 pixels together resulting in a 12 MP image. You can't blow the image up and recover those additional pixels.
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The sensor is 48 MP, but it blends groups of 4 pixels together resulting in a 12 MP image. You can't blow the image up and recover those additional pixels.
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50mp binned to 12.5mp on the primary
Thank you very much because everything online is VERY misleading, regarding 500 - 1500 euros investments.
I am flabbergasted because the ads and product descriptions pretend it's 50mp or more pro cameras, and they happen to be plain okay (not even but...) 12mp digicams. Nothing worth spending 1500 euros it seems. I just expected I could invest like 800 and get a pro camera too that would just let me shoot a photo, get awesome 50mp quality, zoom on the raw file and get another A4 size good cropped shot etc...on top of the disappointment, the misleading info and product description is truly disgusting
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Is the pixel binning process performed by hardware or software? Is it theoretically possible to have the option of full-resolution images as a future software update?
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Is the pixel binning process performed by hardware or software? Is it theoretically possible to have the option of full-resolution images as a future software update?
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The same sensor does produce 50mp images on other phones so presumably it is handled by software, personally I don't think Google will allow it.
It's definitely a software thing as my OnePlus 9's stock camera software does enable you to disable the pixel binning and take a full 50MP photo. The results are pretty terrible though because OnePlus' camera just leaves a lot to be desired.
Yes ! it's all about that, and about the availability of non-binned therefore 48mp or more images online for comparison, it took me ages to find only one of those from a Xiaomi 12s phone, so the actual quality of the camera is actually visible !!! (and not that great !) although the Xiaomi 12t pro and maybe 12s ultra are the best ones I've found so far.
The thing is they show 12mp shots shrunk to our phones' dimensions, or as a shrunk jpeg so that looks good, but that's nothing like the actual camera"s quality that only gets visible on those original non-binned shots, that's a pic that's about an iMac's screen size and it seems very little progress has occurred in five years, the best cam gives okay to good enough results in daylight but that goes with manual retouching. Unless someone proves me wrong...
Personally i don't see what the fuss is about, 12.5mp is more than adequate for printing even at A3 and as they say the best camera is the one you have in your hand, the megapixel myth seems alive and well.
My first DSLR was only 8MP and i did plenty of (paid) weddings and air shows with that.
Many of you are probably frustrated due to the absolutely mediocre video recording quality of the Pixel 7 series (In general Android devices have poor video recording quality, unlike Apple's iPhone).
For anyone who has enough time, skillset, and patience, check out the MotionCam app. I've used it already for quite some time, and it's absolutely mindblowing how well the sensors (RAW images) can be utilized in order to produce some "serious" video material.
Check these video examples...
Stock vs MotionCam:
MotionCam vs Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema Camera 4K Lens: LEICA DG 12-60mm F2.8-4.0:
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Many of you are probably frustrated due to the absolutely mediocre video recording quality of the Pixel 7 series (In general Android devices have poor video recording quality, unlike Apple's iPhone).
For anyone who has enough time, skillset, and patience, check out the MotionCam app. I've used it already for quite some time, and it's absolutely mindblowing how well the sensors (RAW images) can be utilized in order to produce some "serious" video material.
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This is a great Camera. A LOT of settings that I'm too green to really understand but I took a few pics with it, which I'll post here when I get my phone off the charger, and they look good! I'm going to shoot some video with it today, too and make some comparisons
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This is a great Camera. A LOT of settings that I'm too green to really understand but I took a few pics with it, which I'll post here when I get my phone off the charger, and they look good! I'm going to shoot some video with it today, too and make some comparisons
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Yes, RAW video requires really some knowledge, I mean, you need to understand "color grading" and post-processing if you want to get the "best" out of it.
I do have the skillset, I just didn't have much time to actually record something "interesting". Was just taking recordings through the windows and inside for comparison and experimenting.
There is even stabilization (gyroscope) inside it for post-processing purposes, and it works GREAT (something like EIS) so you don't really need a Gimbal for stable videos even when moving (walking) around with the phone.
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Yes, RAW video requires really some knowledge, I mean, you need to understand "color grading" and post-processing if you want to get the "best" out of it.
I do have the skillset, I just didn't have much time to actually record something "interesting". Was just taking recordings through the windows and inside for comparison and experimenting.
There is even stabilization (gyroscope) inside it for post-processing purposes, and it works GREAT (something like EIS) so you don't really need a Gimbal for stable videos even when moving (walking) around with the phone.
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I saw that, a very cool feature. I have that same skill set with imaging, but I’ve never played with video processing at all.
Hi guys,
I'm planning on getting the P7Pro and use it with Motion Cam. However I have a few questions about its limitations here. The Tensor G2 isn't the most capable chip(at least judging by Geekbench) and I'm curious if it can achieve RAW video capture in MotionCam at 4K 30fps, 60fps, or if it can do 8K? And if so, does it have a time limit until it starts dropping frames?
If it's struggling I might decide to save up a bit more and get the S23Ultra, as the SOC scores on that are ~1.8x those of the Pixel7Pro.
I tested MotionCam (trial) on my Xiaomi Mi8 and it's struggling really bad. Pixel 7 is only 2x the processing power of the Mi8. S23Ultra is ~4x.
But then again, synthetic tests might tell nothing, as Tensor G2 is touted to be really good with photo/video content.
So hands-on testing from you is the best way we can tell.
Thanks in advance!
Bogdan
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Hi guys,
I'm planning on getting the P7Pro and use it with Motion Cam. However I have a few questions about its limitations here. The Tensor G2 isn't the most capable chip(at least judging by Geekbench) and I'm curious if it can achieve RAW video capture in MotionCam at 4K 30fps, 60fps, or if it can do 8K? And if so, does it have a time limit until it starts dropping frames?
If it's struggling I might decide to save up a bit more and get the S23Ultra, as the SOC scores on that are ~1.8x those of the Pixel7Pro.
I tested MotionCam (trial) on my Xiaomi Mi8 and it's struggling really bad. Pixel 7 is only 2x the processing power of the Mi8. S23Ultra is ~4x.
But then again, synthetic tests might tell nothing, as Tensor G2 is touted to be really good with photo/video content.
So hands-on testing from you is the best way we can tell.
Thanks in advance!
Bogdan
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OP found a way to turn off the unnecessary throttling on the P7 Pro. Works really well. See this
@smorpaket Thanks!
@JohnTheFarm3r , are you now able to shoot 4k60 RAW? Or can you use it more reliably at 4K30?
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@smorpaket Thanks!
@JohnTheFarm3r , are you now able to shoot 4k60 RAW? Or can you use it more reliably at 4K30?
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The 4k60 RAW works only if you use the external storage option (split data). The UFS (storage) of the Pixel 7 series is a joke and it can't handle more than 200Mb/S continuous write speeds.
Apart from the slow storage, the throttling was an issue. So, if you use an SSD or NVMe external drive + this mod, you can record 4K60 with only a few dropped frames compared to hundreds when you record without this mod.
I managed to record 30-60 seconds of video MAX at 4K60 on internal storage with this MOD, but longer videos than that started dropping most of the frames when the memory buffer was full and the UFS couldn't handle that amount of data writing.
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Hi guys,
I'm planning on getting the P7Pro and use it with Motion Cam. However I have a few questions about its limitations here. The Tensor G2 isn't the most capable chip(at least judging by Geekbench) and I'm curious if it can achieve RAW video capture in MotionCam at 4K 30fps, 60fps, or if it can do 8K? And if so, does it have a time limit until it starts dropping frames?
If it's struggling I might decide to save up a bit more and get the S23Ultra, as the SOC scores on that are ~1.8x those of the Pixel7Pro.
I tested MotionCam (trial) on my Xiaomi Mi8 and it's struggling really bad. Pixel 7 is only 2x the processing power of the Mi8. S23Ultra is ~4x.
But then again, synthetic tests might tell nothing, as Tensor G2 is touted to be really good with photo/video content.
So hands-on testing from you is the best way we can tell.
Thanks in advance!
Bogdan
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Benchmarks scores mean nothing in this case. Yes, SD8gen2 SOC is MUCH more capable than Tensor G2, but the main issue is the heating and throttling. If it's gonna throttle like Pixel does, that processing speed won't matter much. S23U should be handling 4k60 MUCH better since it also has UFS4.0 storage. The SOC is not the only issue when you're recording with MotionCam Pro, the STORAGE speed is the biggest bottleneck.
Pixel 7 doesn't support 8K, the output resolution is maxed 12.5Mpix on the main lens. That's not enough to capture 8K footage.
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Benchmarks scores mean nothing in this case. Yes, SD8gen2 SOC is MUCH more capable than Tensor G2, but the main issue is the heating and throttling. If it's gonna throttle like Pixel does, that processing speed won't matter much. S23U should be handling 4k60 MUCH better since it also has UFS4.0 storage. The SOC is not the only issue when you're recording with MotionCam Pro, the STORAGE speed is the biggest bottleneck.
Pixel 7 doesn't support 8K, the output resolution is maxed 12.5Mpix on the main lens. That's not enough to capture 8K footage
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Thanks a lot John! I think I'll wait a bit more and maybe test an S23 Ultra in MotionCam if I can get my hands on one.