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DON'T upgrade to Nougat by OTA!

This has already discussed in other posts here BUT I continue to see A LOT of people waiting for Nougat OTA like Santa Claus should bring to them... (or, even worse, trying to push it in their phones... )
So, I make this post just to give more visibility to all...
I'll try to write it clear...
Don't update your Z to Nougat by OTA!
Is it clear enough? :laugh:
Now some explainations...
Over the the common generic motivations (difficulties when not in full stock conditions, risk to brick it during process, OTAs that are the Evil... ), there is a strong one in this case: Nougat OTA for Moto Z (silently...) upgrades your bootloader too, from v. 90.xx to v. 91.xx...
This isn't really needed (Nougat runs flawlessly on v.90.xx too... ) BUT it introduces some tighter rules on what you can and what you can't anymore boot on it, limiting hacking and upgrading (to developed third part ROMs...) possibilities...
One of this rules is that with v. 91.xx bootloader you can't anymore boot to MM ROM!
Considering that as of today it seems that bootloader can't be donwgraded (some have soft/hard bricked their Z trying to downgrade it...), Nougat upgrade by OTA is a one way process.
If you consider that stock Nougat seems to have some bugs and issues (and, as of today, no Xposed available...!) and that some (all?) third part Nougat ROMs requires "MM" (v. 90.xx) bootloader to work, it seems not to be a great idea leave that Motorola upgrades silently your bootloader...
So?
So, at present, the best method (IMHO...) to upgrade to Nougat is that one which is described in OP of this thread: you will have a full stock Nougat BUT with older bootloader and the possibility to easily return to MM or to whatever ROM you want...

I already did nougat via ota for my moto z droid... Does this affect anything? Also how do i flash a factory nougat on my moto z droid if i want to stsrt fresh?

xterminater07 said:
I already did nougat via ota for my moto z droid... Does this affect anything? Also how do i flash a factory nougat on my moto z droid if i want to stsrt fresh?
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Considering we on the Moto Z droid don't have an unlockable bootloader and/or ability to root I don't see it effecting you negatively, other than an exploit that may be discovered for marshmallow that would allow for root. We are at the mercy of a kind developer taking on the task. I really miss my hotspot without a fee... But I can go back to my Moto X if it is necessary.

xterminater07 said:
I already did nougat via ota for my moto z droid... Does this affect anything? Also how do i flash a factory nougat on my moto z droid if i want to stsrt fresh?
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I agree with dap... proposed solution can't be used since of unlocked bootloader, BUT if I had a Droid I would have remained sticky to first SW release as long as possible because of the higher probabilities of a flaw to hack and root it...
With Nougat and newer (even more "locked"...) bootloader it will be harder...

those are a lot of steps... is there a way to just hide the nag/update screen that pops up? it keeps wanting to update or ask for a time to update or reminds me to update etc

enetec said:
So, at present, the best method (IMHO...) to upgrade to Nougat is that one which is described in OP of this thread: you will have a full stock Nougat BUT with older bootloader and the possibility to easily return to MM or to whatever ROM you want...
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Does the method you linked to even work with the VZW variant? It looks like it used to, but the Verizon stuff is all marked through and I'm not clear on the process.

hmmmfff... I have updated mine using OTA.. now I want to back to MM... but no way to do that...

aatjitra said:
hmmmfff... I have updated mine using OTA.. now I want to back to MM... but no way to do that...
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Hello did you try to get down to MM? Thank you
regards

iron maiden said:
Hello did you try to get down to MM? Thank you
regards
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No. I didn't.
I read in other thread that bootloader v91 won't work with MM.

Moto Z ( UAE ) no OTA yet
HI,
can anyone suggest which android 7 update is to be used for UAE users and how to install manually ?

How can i disable the OTA Update app opening all the god damn time? I mean seriously, every time i lock the screen and turn it back on, it annoys me by saying i need to update to Android 7, I DON'T ****ING WANT TO! Can someone PLEASE tell me how to disable this?

yanniclord said:
How can i disable the OTA Update app opening all the god damn time? I mean seriously, every time i lock the screen and turn it back on, it annoys me by saying i need to update to Android 7, I DON'T ****ING WANT TO! Can someone PLEASE tell me how to disable this?
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You can't. The only thing you *can* do is tap the "Later" and then "Done" buttons. That will defer it for another 24 hours since it automatically fills in the phone's current time for the next check.
It's annoying, but it's only once a day.
EDIT: I thought you were referring to the VZW variant. If you're not and your phone is rooted, you might be able to disable or remove "Motorola Update Services". To do so, go to Settings > Apps > select "Show system" from menu (3 dots at top right) > scroll down and tap "Motorola Update Services"
I can't disable it on my VZW unit, but you might be able to. Or maybe you can remove the app via root (though I have no idea if that will cause further problems).

I too can confirm thr disabling motoservice in settings method. But you have to do it everytime you reboot your phone, it does t hurt me doing that.

I found a simple fix, get Titanium Backup and freeze that crap app, done.

yanniclord said:
I found a simple fix, get Titanium Backup and freeze that crap app, done.
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There is another way for users with root eventually...

saif_khans said:
HI,
can anyone suggest which android 7 update is to be used for UAE users and how to install manually ?
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Simply use the method linked in OP. It uses retmx sw.

True, I updated via Ota and now I can not install custom roms, will in the future have a solution to this problem? Because we all know that by unlocking the bootloader we lose the warranty, but we do this because we want to have options to install on our devices.
Could any dev have managed to fix this in the future roms?

sam564 said:
True, I updated via Ota and now I can not install custom roms, will in the future have a solution to this problem? Because we all know that by unlocking the bootloader we lose the warranty, but we do this because we want to have options to install on our devices.
Could any dev have managed to fix this in the future roms?
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Which variant do you have? @erfanoabdi suggested in another thread that they might have root figured out for the VZW variant in the next couple of days. No idea if what they're working on will be applicable to the Nougat.

rczrider said:
Which variant do you have? @erfanoabdi suggested in another thread that they might have root figured out for the VZW variant in the next couple of days. No idea if what they're working on will be applicable to the Nougat.
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Variants doesn't matter all moto z is using same kernel source (I have Chinese moto z)
Let me explain, I'm trying to port farm-root for moto z
Here's the source : https://github.com/freddierice/farm-root
If anyone knows how to deal with ndk and other Stuffs, can install TWRP with this version of farm-root
But I'm trying to make it easier and here's big barrier called SELinux

rczrider said:
Which variant do you have? @erfanoabdi suggested in another thread that they might have root figured out for the VZW variant in the next couple of days. No idea if what they're working on will be applicable to the Nougat.
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Hope it happens. The phone (accidentally?) Downloaded the update and is now asking to install. I'm afraid one day it'll just automatically update on it's own.. I can't seem to find where the system update got downloaded to, otherwise I'd delete it

just got my honor:) but have some questions.

Just got it 30min ago, The android on it now is 6.0 emui 4.1 and it wants me too update too 7.0 5.0. Is it ok too update too it now before unlocking the bootloader and root?
Why i ask is i think it would be a good idea too test the phone for a few days first too make sure it has no issues.
Also from reviews and from what i herd about the phone from others. They say the back plate is metal? From what i can tell its plastic on mine is that normal? Or did they just meant its a metal like finish?

gordesky1 said:
Just got it 30min ago, The android on it now is 6.0 emui 4.1 and it wants me too update too 7.0 5.0. Is it ok too update too it now before unlocking the bootloader and root?
Why i ask is i think it would be a good idea too test the phone for a few days first too make sure it has no issues.
Also from reviews and from what i herd about the phone from others. They say the back plate is metal? From what i can tell its plastic on mine is that normal? Or did they just meant its a metal like finish?
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Welcome on board!
I suggest you to update the system and testing it a while before unlocking the bootloader, just to be sure it's OK.
The back of my phone it's like gray metal, I can't tell if it's real or plastic. Feels like metal though.
You could check some videos on the web to see if your phone it's just like the other.
Goodnight
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Landrea said:
Welcome on board!
I suggest you to update the system and testing it a while before unlocking the bootloader, just to be sure it's OK.
The back of my phone it's like gray metal, I can't tell if it's real or plastic. Feels like metal though.
You could check some videos on the web to see if your phone it's just like the other.
Goodnight
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Thanks
Just did the update a hour ago
And yea its hard too tell sense some metals can feel like plastic lol But im pretty sure its metal now reviews says the top and bottom edges are plastic but the middle part is metal and i still have the plastic cover on the back so its a bit hard too tell lol.
So far its working great i probably will run it for couple days before i do anything too it bootloader etc.
Big performance boost from my old htc droid the droid is still a decent device but the battery is on its way out will ony hold about a 50% charge:/ and max it runs is 6.0 and the biggest issue is no mico sd slot...

welcome

So far still running great really loving the performance!
I have question tho. Under security it says patch level march 2017. Is that normal? or should i be on a newest date?
Its on 7.0 5.0 build number b360 and says there's isn't a new update.
Model is bln-l24 us.

gordesky1 said:
So far still running great really loving the performance!
I have question tho. Under security it says patch level march 2017. Is that normal? or should i be on a newest date?
Its on 7.0 5.0 build number b360 and says there's isn't a new update.
Model is bln-l24 us.
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The US version doesn’t get timely security patches from Huawei.

gordesky1 said:
So far still running great really loving the performance!
I have question tho. Under security it says patch level march 2017. Is that normal? or should i be on a newest date?
Its on 7.0 5.0 build number b360 and says there's isn't a new update.
Model is bln-l24 us.
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I have the US model and it just got an update to EMUI 5.0.1 tonight. The update probably has bug fixes, but I know it comes with the October security update for sure.

SenyorMauricio said:
I have the US model and it just got an update to EMUI 5.0.1 tonight. The update probably has bug fixes, but I know it comes with the October security update for sure.
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Hmm so far nothing for me. Maybe it takes time too roll out too others.

gordesky1 said:
Hmm so far nothing for me. Maybe it takes time too roll out too others.
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It rolls out in batches if new OTA comes. However, for regualr or old update it comes very quickly once you insert the sim. You may wait for couple of days though before trying anything new

So looks like everything is fine on this phone hardware wise So im looking into unlocking the boot loader and doing root but want too keep the stock feeling.
When i go too this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-6x/how-to/root-huawei-honor-6x-install-twrp-t3671822 and when going too twrp i see they saying fastboot flash recovery twrp-3.1.1-0-berlin.img..
Is there a img for the usa model? Or will the berlin.img work too?

shashank1320 said:
It rolls out in batches if new OTA comes. However, for regualr or old update it comes very quickly once you insert the sim. You may wait for couple of days though before trying anything new
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Should i wait doing the bootloader and root?
When looking for root all i see its for other versions like berlin. unless that works for the usa model too?
Hmm just noticed the thread i posted is yours lol
Does it work with the usa model? what got me hang up is the berlin step.

i just unlocked the bootloader Tried doing it with the UC browser on the device and it wouldn't load the sites in the guide... But it worked doing on this page and doing it from my pc. https://www.gadgetcreed.com/100-working-huawei-honor-6x-unlock-bootloader-guide/
Gave me my unlock code and i followed the guide and it worked OEM unlock was showing for me too which says some users wont have it on 5.0.
Now for root question. Will i still get updates if i root? I probably wont mess with custom roms for awhile cause i like the stock look lol

gordesky1 said:
i just unlocked the bootloader Tried doing it with the UC browser on the device and it wouldn't load the sites in the guide... But it worked doing on this page and doing it from my pc. https://www.gadgetcreed.com/100-working-huawei-honor-6x-unlock-bootloader-guide/
Gave me my unlock code and i followed the guide and it worked OEM unlock was showing for me too which says some users wont have it on 5.0.
Now for root question. Will i still get updates if i root? I probably wont mess with custom roms for awhile cause i like the stock look lol
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You will still receive OTA updates; however, I don't know if they'll install on your device properly after rooting. If you get an update, I'd recommend unrooting, reflashing the stock bootloader, and then relocking the bootloader. The Android 8.0 update is likely to come out for the Honor 6x in December or January, so I wouldn't have rooted now if I were you. I think 8.0 might be the last major update for the Honor 6x for a while, so I would recommend rooting then, honestly. Even the guys who make the Stock ROMs (Open Kirin) stopped development for Nougat in favor of Oreo ROMs, so many of the Nougat stock Android ROMs are buggy.

SenyorMauricio said:
You will still receive OTA updates; however, I don't know if they'll install on your device properly after rooting. If you get an update, I'd recommend unrooting, reflashing the stock bootloader, and then relocking the bootloader. The Android 8.0 update is likely to come out for the Honor 6x in December or January, so I wouldn't have rooted now if I were you. I think 8.0 might be the last major update for the Honor 6x for a while, so I would recommend rooting then, honestly. Even the guys who make the Stock ROMs (Open Kirin) stopped development for Nougat in favor of Oreo ROMs, so many of the Nougat stock Android ROMs are buggy.
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Oh i ony did the unlocking boot loader so best case is too just wait not rooting it right now till when 8.0 comes out? Having the boot loader unlocked wont effect updates etc tho right?
But yea i was ony going too root for the root apps and the trwp recovery but stay on the stock rom that comes with it.

gordesky1 said:
Oh i ony did the unlocking boot loader so best case is too just wait not rooting it right now till when 8.0 comes out? Having the boot loader unlocked wont effect updates etc tho right?
But yea i was ony going too root for the root apps and the trwp recovery but stay on the stock rom that comes with it.
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You will get OTA but wont be able to install as boot.img modified. Best way in that case would be to flash the stock boot.img, stoct recovery.img and proceed with ota download and installation.
Or other way, be as it is, download full firmware and update via Dload. These manual update is way faster before OTA even rolls out.

gordesky1 said:
Just got it 30min ago, The android on it now is 6.0 emui 4.1 and it wants me too update too 7.0 5.0. Is it ok too update too it now before unlocking the bootloader and root?
Why i ask is i think it would be a good idea too test the phone for a few days first too make sure it has no issues.
Also from reviews and from what i herd about the phone from others. They say the back plate is metal? From what i can tell its plastic on mine is that normal? Or did they just meant its a metal like finish?
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I have also recently purchased honor 6x , and mine also is on 6.0 emui 4.1.3, by checking system update it says no updates, have you found any solution ( also i dont want to unlock bootloder and root my device , so please suggest other than this)

shashank1320 said:
You will get OTA but wont be able to install as boot.img modified. Best way in that case would be to flash the stock boot.img, stoct recovery.img and proceed with ota download and installation.
Or other way, be as it is, download full firmware and update via Dload. These manual update is way faster before OTA even rolls out.
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You mean if i root? Or the unlock bootloader for the ota updates part?
And whats Dload mean? Did some research and found out what dload means its doing it manual from the dload folder on a sd card
Sorry for these stupid questions hehe i been out of the loop with this phone stuff for awhile lol

NinadMestry said:
I have also recently purchased honor 6x , and mine also is on 6.0 emui 4.1.3, by checking system update it says no updates, have you found any solution ( also i dont want to unlock bootloder and root my device , so please suggest other than this)
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Mine had the update from the start when i click check for updates for 7.0 5.0.

gordesky1 said:
Mine had the update from the start when i click check for updates for 7.0 5.0.
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my honor 6x is indian variant bln-l22
whats yours

NinadMestry said:
my honor 6x is indian variant bln-l22
whats yours
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bln l24 usa model

FW upgrade, which, and how can i do?

I bought a used S10e. It is Android 9, and OTA not find newer FW. Can i change the SW without risk?
Have you a noob tutorial, how can i do it?
Which ROM is suggested? Which have minimal bugs, and great battery time? I prefer the non-root original FW.
Android 9
G970FXXU3ASH3
Build: G970FXXU3ASH6
SAOMC_SM-G970F_OXM_XEH_PP_0014
Knox 3.3

Odin can upgrade, and downgrade FirmWare, when OEM unlocking is Enabled, in developers settings.

Downgrade too? I have andoid 11 and i wanna back to 10. There will be no problem with bootloader? (sometimes new android get new bootlader and then u cant back to old android - heard something like that)
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I will answer myself: yes, U can downgrade without any issue

wmiki75 said:
Odin can upgrade, and downgrade FirmWare, when OEM unlocking is Enabled, in developers settings.
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Does anybody know a legit source for Odin? The links provided are down :-(

Question I can't figure out how to downgrade my a12 os

I recently got an A12 yesterday and I've bricked it twice trying to downgrade it. It's unbricked now but when I try to put android 10 on it, it fails. The reason I want to downgrade the os is so I can OEM unlock it. It's an sm-a125U1 and it seems no one else is having this issue.

Professorwhiz said:
I recently got an A12 yesterday and I've bricked it twice trying to downgrade it. It's unbricked now but when I try to put android 10 on it, it fails. The reason I want to downgrade the os is so I can OEM unlock it. It's an sm-a125U1 and it seems no one else is having this issue.
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It's pretty simple actually, you can't downgrade it unless it's the same binary version. Android 10 probably has U1 if you're on Android 11 or Android 12 you're probably higher than that meaning you can't downgrade. If you're binary number was U1 as well you could

Professorwhiz said:
I recently got an A12 yesterday and I've bricked it twice trying to downgrade it. It's unbricked now but when I try to put android 10 on it, it fails. The reason I want to downgrade the os is so I can OEM unlock it. It's an sm-a125U1 and it seems no one else is having this issue.
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Once you've upgraded the binary number you can't go back to any firmware with lower binary number

Is it possible there is an older Android version with the same binary number as my current one?

Allehandro said:
Once you've upgraded the binary number you can't go back to any firmware with lower binary number
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I've been trying to downgrade android 10 because I want to OEM unlock it. Do you have any idea how I could OEM unlock it?

Professorwhiz said:
Is it possible there is an older Android version with the same binary number as my current one?
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You're going to have to check for yourself. Though if android 10 is your goal, forget about it cause there's no way the binary is the same up until now.

Professorwhiz said:
Is it possible there is an older Android version with the same binary number as my current one?
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Just check the firmware number , there is usually a U there specifying the binary number. Check yours in the settings and then check any firmware online. If it has the same number then you can use it

Professorwhiz said:
I've been trying to downgrade android 10 because I want to OEM unlock it. Do you have any idea how I could OEM unlock it?
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I have an a125f, so for me it's straightforward. For your model you are going to have to check in the forum.

Allehandro said:
I have an a125f, so for me it's straightforward. For your model you are going to have to check in the forum.
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I'm flashing android 11 on it right now, From what I've looked through there are no threads or posts about my phone.

Allehandro said:
I have an a125f, so for me it's straightforward. For your model you are going to have to check in the forum.
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I was able to flash android 11, no OEM but I did search around and still found nothing.

Question Android 12 OTA REDMI NOTE 11 PRO 5G

When it is going to receive android 12 update OTA the Redmi note 11 pro 5 g veux rom EEA?

There is already Android 12 available
Version 13.0.3.0 SKCEUXM

davinceh said:
There is already Android 12 available
Version 13.0.3.0 SKCEUXM
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Yes but the OTA doesnt come

I can't see any new update on my device. Still A11

Mado__ said:
I can't see any new update on my device. Still A11
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Yes me too, that is why i am asking why the OTA isnt coming to our devices

Oh right

I think it's a bug or something. If you have previous than 13.0.10 versions software you can probably update directly. But if you have 13.0.10 you can't. You'd probably can update when there's an update who switches to the most recent security patches. You can't even force install via options not miflash not recovery flashable roms. I know cause i've tried that. Only way to do it is unlock bootloader, which is not adviced since you'll lose warranty. Anyway, only change i noticed is the toggles being a bit different. You just have the brightness and volume sliders vertically. Everything else looks the same to me. Of course you can always update with miflash and relock bootloader, but it's a risk. Either way you'll need to backup your data before doing it

Alvaro_.15 said:
Yes me too, that is why i am asking why the OTA isnt coming to our devices
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Mado__ said:
I can't see any new update on my device. Still A11
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I'm as well on a11
Was trying every possible download file non of them working.
Look like Xiaomi left us behind

Hi, same problem here.
I have version 13.0.10.0 with Android 11 and I am not receiving OTA updates.
Through recovery mode it doesn't let me update to version 13.0.2.0 or 13.0.3.0 with Android 12.
I tried everything but nothing.
How to do?

It's so crazy this phone is still on A11 lol..