The more I read, the more it seems that P7P users have got a bad Lens Flare issue on the X1 Lens.
Out of curiosity, how many users here have the issue themselves?
I used to have the Mate 20 Pro for 4 years and the Lens Flare wasn't that bad in comparison to the P7P.
I'll add that I don't have a lens cover over my cameras and the glass is clean.
Everyone, that's just the nature of the beast.
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The more I read, the more it seems that P7P users have got a bad Lens Flare issue on the X1 Lens.
Out of curiosity, how many users here have the issue themselves?
I used to have the Mate 20 Pro for 4 years and the Lens Flare wasn't that bad in comparison to the P7P.
I'll add that I don't have a lens cover over my cameras and the glass is clean.
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That's not an "issue", everyone has the lens flare. It only depends on the light angle and how it hits the lens.
It's pretty bad. I took some comparison photos with my S21 before I sent it in for trade and the flare was awful. And non-existent on the Samsung photos.
This was taken with a Canon DSLR and a £2000 Canon L lens, there are always circumstances where it is going to happen.
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It's pretty bad. I took some comparison photos with my S21 before I sent it in for trade and the flare was awful. And non-existent on the Samsung photos. View attachment 5762543View attachment 5762541
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Different focal lengths though so not a fair comparison.
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This was taken with a Canon DSLR and a £2000 Canon L lens, there are always circumstances where it is going to happen.
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If it happens in some circumstances and only once in a while, its OK. But I think p7p has a permanent problem.
One request for folks who experience it: can you try a case (or any other way) which covers most of the aluminum? I think the reflections off the aluminum are adding to the flare phenomenon.
IMO, going with shiny metal around the lens was not a smart choice by google. Get the wrong curves on that part and it can mess with the light that goes into the lens.
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If it happens in some circumstances and only once in a while, its OK. But I think p7p has a permanent problem.
One request for folks who experience it: can you try a case (or any other way) which covers most of the aluminum? I think the reflections off the aluminum are adding to the flare phenomenon.
IMO, going with shiny metal around the lens was not a smart choice by google. Get the wrong curves on that part and it can mess with the light that goes into the lens.
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It does only happen in some circumstances though and only once in a while on the Pixel 7 Pro to be fair and those circumstances are using the 1X lens while it pointing it at something very bright and this is when lens flare is always a risk.
The problem is a lack of any anti reflection coating on the glass covering the lens, it is just plain glass sadly. I have wondered if we could use something as a lens hood which should help dramatically with the issue as it stops light from falling across the lens.
FWIW i have a black skin over my camera bar, it certainly made a difference one the P6P but it makes no difference whatsoever on the P7P
Using a different focal length other than 1X the problem is much, much less noticeable.
I see the issue across all lenses. That's why I think its the metal, not the lenses or the glass covering the lenses!
Any kind of coating will reduce the amount of light that the lens can capture. Is anti-reflective coating an industry standard across lenses?
hmm....quick google suggests that lack of anti reflective coatings on lenses may be the reason for this unusual issue. Which means that we are stuck with it...
And it does look like that anti reflective coating is the norm and it actually increases the light that reaches the sensor....Why would google hardware not do this? go figure!
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I see the issue across all lenses. That's why I think its the metal, not the lenses or the glass covering the lenses!
Any kind of coating will reduce the amount of light that the lens can capture. Is anti-reflective coating an industry standard across lenses?
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As i said, i have a black skin on my camera bar, there is no metal showing.
Any lens worth its salt be it camera or glasses will have an anti-reflective coating.
Why Lens Coatings Are So Important in Photography
A look at the science of camera lens coatings and how they improve optics while reducing things like lens flares in photographs.
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hmm....quick google suggests that lack of anti reflective coatings on lenses may be the reason for this unusual issue. Which means that we are stuck with it...
And it does look like that anti reflective coating is the norm and it actually increases the light that reaches the sensor....Why would google hardware not do this? go figure!
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They have on the lenses, they just didn't bother on the class covering them.
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They have on the lenses, they just didn't bother on the class covering them.
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Any idea if it can be applied after the fact from the outside? Or is it something that has to be cured into the glass before putting it on the frame?
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Any idea if it can be applied after the fact from the outside? Or is it something that has to be cured into the glass before putting it on the frame?
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That i don't know, i wouldn't want to risk buggering the whole thing up myself as any coating has to bond to the glass and getting it back off could be difficult.
The fix may be as simple as holding your hand above the lens like a simple lens hood to prevent light scatter.
I went to a Christmas light switch on last night and the lens flare and the simple reflections you get from the plain glass doesn't half make you study the scene to try to get around it, that in its self makes spontaneous street photography at night difficult.
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Hi all,
Just wanted to get people's opinion on the lens, specifically the large lens cover. I have a scratch across mine, which in one part is rather deep. Not crack levels of deepness, but deeper than a hairline. I currently have a dbrand skin covering the lens - is this likely to develop into a crack, or should I not worry about it?
I've read somewhere that the camera lens is sapphire crystal and virtually unscratchable - I'm calling BS on that.
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Just wanted to get people's opinion on the lens, specifically the large lens cover.
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I don't mind it, especially if its a design choice LG had to make in-order to incorporate the OIS camera sensor. I'd rather have a slightly protruding camera lens on an otherwise thin phone over a recessed camera on a thick phone or a weird camera hump like that of the nokia 1020.
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I currently have a dbrand skin covering the lens - is this likely to develop into a crack, or should I not worry about it?
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I don't think a small scratch on something small like the camera lens would grow to be a crack. So don't worry about it.
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I've read somewhere that the camera lens is sapphire crystal and virtually unscratchable
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You've read wrong, Nexus 5 was never claimed to have a sapphire crystal camera lens.
Should this be removed it's not affecting shots. But I have a feeling its affecting the heart rate sensor.
I'm leaving mine on.... Both work for me.
I removed the one over flash, the adhesive and heat it becomes sticky. The one over the camera no problem, up to you.
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Should this be removed it's not affecting shots. But I have a feeling its affecting the heart rate sensor.
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I'd recommend you take them off for best performance. Especially for the camera. Another layer of film over the glass will degrade image quality. Also, dust, humidity causing a foggy lens etc, can accumulate around and under the outer layer. That protective plastic is only there for during shipping to protect it so it's in perfect condition when you unbox it. It's not meant to stay on. You will get more hazy, less clear images with that outer plastic layer over the lens. EDIT *Also, that outer layer of plastic will give you more risk of lens flare.
Now, over the heart rate sensor? That's up to you. I'm not certain it if would affect the sensor reading. Since I don't use it, I wouldn't mind leaving it on. But it's such a small surface area to begin with, it would be hard to break. But personally, I want optimal image quality, so that plastic layer comes off for me. Much like I don't use protective UV filters over my DSLR camera lenses. :good:
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I'd recommend you take them off for best performance. Especially for the camera. Another layer of film over the glass will degrade image quality. Also, dust, humidity causing a foggy lens etc, can accumulate around and under the outer layer. That protective plastic is only there for during shipping to protect it so it's in perfect condition when you unbox it. It's not meant to stay on. You will get more hazy, less clear images with that outer plastic layer over the lens. EDIT *Also, that outer layer of plastic will give you more risk of lens flare.
Now, over the heart rate sensor? That's up to you. I'm not certain it if would affect the sensor reading. Since I don't use it, I wouldn't mind leaving it on. But it's such a small surface area to begin with, it would be hard to break. But personally, I want optimal image quality, so that plastic layer comes off for me. Much like I don't use protective UV filters over my DSLR camera lenses. :good:
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I agree (except for the part about UV filters on a DSLR, but that's another subject). It is crappy plastic that they use on the sticker and in no way meant to be used as a protective layer for camera shots.
Great answers my next question, any tips on getting them off I can't get a finger nail under to peel it.
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Great answers my next question, any tips on getting them off I can't get a finger nail under to peel it.
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Ha, had the same problem. Keep trying with your finger nail. You'll eventually get it. Best not to use anything else that could risk scratching it such as a needle, tweezers, filer etc. Just keep at it with your nail. :fingers-crossed:
I'd remove the one on the heartrate sensor but you can keep the one on the camera as the camera lens itself is not covered by it!
It has a hole where the lens is.
So image quality does not suffer!
I actually removed both but as I found out the one on the camera actually has a hole for the lens I carefully placed it back on there.
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the camera as the camera lens itself is not covered by it!
It has a hole where the lens is.
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Your totally right just ran my nail over it, the lens itself it not covered.
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whitepaw said:
I'd remove the one on the heartrate sensor but you can keep the one on the camera as the camera lens itself is not covered by it!
It has a hole where the lens is.
So image quality does not suffer!
I actually removed both but as I found out the one on the camera actually has a hole for the lens I carefully placed it back on there.
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Both my wife's S6 and my S6 had no hole. We have T-Mobile variants. Hmmm, very interesting.
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Both my wife's S6 and my S6 had no hole. We have T-Mobile variants. Hmmm, very interesting.
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I have a T-Mobile Germany one which has the hole. It's only covering the glass around the lens here.
It's the edge here. Maybe it differs between edge and normal S6?
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I have a T-Mobile Germany one which has the hole. It's only covering the glass around the lens here.
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I should have mentioned U.S. T-Mobile versions in my last post. I could have very well quickly taken them off and not realize there was a hole....and now thinking back I just don't remember.
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I should have mentioned U.S. T-Mobile versions in my last post. I could have very well quickly taken them off and not realize there was a hole....and now thinking back I just don't remember.
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Have tmobile us version and has hole.
To take those pieces off, use a piece of tape over and peel off.
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Bloody hell I scratched the glass aa bbit over the bottom sensor below the flash. What is that sensor for and will it be affected?
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Bloody hell I scratched the glass aa bbit over the bottom sensor below the flash. What is that sensor for and will it be affected?
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Heart rate, and probably not unless the scratch is huge.
sticky tape works best when I removed mine
Just noticed that when things are in the top portion of the picture with the camera tilted down slightly things get distorted. It makes heads oblong and alien looking. Wondering if other people have this same issue or if it's just my phone. So it's really a question of whether the phone is being exchanged or returned.
I've attached two pics. When the tv is in the top portion of the pic it looks a lot taller than when it's in the center of the pic. Both pics were taken from the same distance at the same zoom amount.
Did you take the plastic film off the lens that comes from the factory?
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Did you take the plastic film off the lens that comes from the factory?
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I was gonna say the same! Although mine lately has not been focusing at all unless i shake it. View is immediately blurry, but up close to something it is fine. Like it is stuck in close up. Shake it and seems good. This is before ROOT and playing around. Any ideas?
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Did you take the plastic film off the lens that comes from the factory?
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Did you have a plastic film on your camera? I had one over the fingerprint sensor but if there is one on my camera it's near impossible to detect, I feel like I'm just scratching at the glass although my fingernail is definitely catching on something. I just cant tell if it's the edge of the glass for the camera or a film covering it.
i had the same issue so i boiled my kettle, and held the phone above it after it boiled and let the steam peel the lense sticker.
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Did you have a plastic film on your camera? I had one over the fingerprint sensor but if there is one on my camera it's near impossible to detect, I feel like I'm just scratching at the glass although my fingernail is definitely catching on something. I just cant tell if it's the edge of the glass for the camera or a film covering it.
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If you had the plastic on it, you'd know it. It was very noticeable on mine.
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If you had the plastic on it, you'd know it. It was very noticeable on mine.
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I really can't tell if it's there, if it is it lines up almost perfectly. It isn't causing me issues for now though so I'm not going to mess with it.
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I really can't tell if it's there, if it is it lines up almost perfectly. It isn't causing me issues for now though so I'm not going to mess with it.
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You would notice in the center of the lens. The plastic would have a cut. Once it's off, the lens is perfectly flat across the top.
The plastic was still on, but no change in distortion taking it off. I'm guessing the cutout in the center of the plastic makes it so it doesn't impact photos.
So I tested on my computer monitor and am able to somewhat replicate what is happening in your shots. However, this distortion is natural because you're tilting the camera downwards on its axis. Its called perspective lens distortion and is common to all cameras without a tilt shift lens (a lens that costs several thousand dollars). You should be able to replicate the effect with any camera phone.
Yeah I've noticed distortion in other cameras but it's just not so extreme. On the s6 the distortion makes any pics with the subject on the edge ridiculous and unusable.
I think I've narrowed it down to when the s6 is set up to shoot max resolution at 16:9. When I switch it to 4:3 the distortion is pretty much gone since that distorted area is just cropped out but that reduces it from 16mp to 12mp. Other phone cameras I've had (moto x 2nd gen and s3) crop the other way (max resolution at 4:3 and then crop to get 16:9).
So the s6 presumably has a 16:9 sensor where the others had 4:3. But the extra width is pretty much unusable.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. What's the point of having a 16mp camera if you can only effectively use 12mp?
Any update on this? I was hoping there's a post processing software in Android/Windows/OSX that can compensate for the lens distortion even though it'll reduced the resolution a bit. I have a AT&T Galaxy S6.
I tried DXO Optics Pro 8, and it works very good for shots from my Nikon D7000 to un-alienize the faces, but there are no modules for the Galaxy S6 lens.
Sometimes in low indoor lighting I noticed some dark blobs that appear on the camera. They look like rather large particles scattered throughout the frame. I was suspecting maybe dust in the lens but I've seen a similar thing with my friend's Nexus 4 when is directly cast in sunlight - similar to when you look under a microscope and your hair eyelashes are in the way. Another thing I suspect it could be is some interference from the shiny black plastic ring within the camera lens (not the silver ring outside), as it appears to be made of a rough plastic-like material.
Sample (there are many more depending what angle the light is shining): https://www.dropbox.com/s/zm8h9jp3jhdy726/DSC_0476.JPG?dl=0
Has anyone experienced this as well?
Note that the lens/camera module that was replaced by Sony in Taiwan due to the left blur problem. They assured me that the phone was still waterproof. Unfortunately I am no longer in Taiwan so I can't get it repaired. In most situations the blobs are not visible but I do notice them when I'm filming in my room and the camera appears to be trying to pick up more light.
hmm, now that i look at my lens, i it appears there is a spot on the actual camera lens behind the main lens cover. Either dust got in during the lens replacement process, or it somehow got in later. So much for IP68 =/
Can you send it back and get a new device?
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Can you send it back and get a new device?
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Nope, I bought it in Taiwan, and am studying overseas now. Perhaps next time I go to Taiwan I will turn it in. It's not a huge problem as none of my outdoor photos seem to have this problem - I only noticed it in videos I filmed in my room indoors with a certain lighting or flare (if you cover the light a bit it's gone, like you have a lens hood). It's not as obvious as previous reports of dust in the Xperia Z lens etc.
I looked into it with a magnifying glass and it does seem like there is at least one speck behind the lens cover.
Maybe there was some dust or paper in my pocket that somehow got in, but I had the phone in a case, and there's a rear protector film I applied that goes around the lens
These are the image taken with the main lens, but it doesn't happen with macro or wide angle, this better not be a hardware issue. The same black spot keeps appearing in the glares or streeks.
Only at certain angles I get this but still!
The camera lens has no marks on it at all
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These are the image taken with the main lens, but it doesn't happen with macro or wide angle, this better not be a hardware issue. The same black spot keeps appearing in the glares or streeks.
Only at certain angles I get this but still!
The camera lens has no marks on it at all
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It's a plastic lense, so it could be a lense issue.
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It's a plastic lense, so it could be a lense issue.
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Source?, Almost certain the lens isn't plastic from the JerryRigEverything durability test
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Source?, Almost certain the lens isn't plastic from the JerryRigEverything durability test
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Yeah a plastic lens on a £1200 phone , or even on any phone these days I don't think so, quality wouldn't be good, IV seen other people with this same issue as mines, making me think it's a defect somewhere in the lens itself rather than software.
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Source?, Almost certain the lens isn't plastic from the JerryRigEverything durability test
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It was another breakdown video from someone who just doesn't destroy everything and made it professionally. Also quality hasn't to do something with the price of a resource. A plastic lense is way more durable than a glass lense, so a glass lense in reality is more crap than a plastic one. It's like the used case: aluminium destroys everything because the power of the force won't get really stopped - displays will break and the inlife... glass will get destroyed and soaks more force before the force gets to to chips etc. and plastic soaks the force the most and is more durable than glass.
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It was another breakdown video from someone who just doesn't destroy everything and made it professionally.
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JerryRigEverything is a very reputable phone durability channel, the camera lens is glass not plastic, please do further research before spreading misinformation, thank you.
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JerryRigEverything is a very reputable phone durability channel, the camera lens is glass not plastic, please do further research before spreading misinformation, thank you.
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So you are relying on someone and a video who's not even saying in a single sentence (minute 3:38+), that the camera lense is made of glass, so you are lying and I'm relying on another video where someone 'really' said it's made of plastic, but you want to lecture me? It seems you are just a narcisst that thinks he's right, even if all you tell is a lie and don't even know it yourself. So I lecture you now to go to a psychologist and please hold yourself away from social people.
Even when I would search this one video of thousands wouldn't make it real or an unbearable fact, because we only could know if we test it for ourselves, but that wouldn't make any sense to me, because why should I show you the video if you already stated that you depend on your lie. It wouldn't change the reality, that the camera is really good, but it would make the fact that some people have black dots, corona shining etc. more explainable. The lense could have even made of transparent aluminium and it wouldn't make sense to argue about it or defend someone who said in a video it's made of plastic, glass or whatever. The fact is that some people have problems with it and it's a quality failure, if it came out of the box and discussing prematurely about who is right or wrong doesn't fix the problem for someone with a problem.
Good bye
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So you are relying on someone and a video who's not even saying in a single sentence (minute 3:38+), that the camera lense is made of glass, so you are lying and I'm relying on another video where someone 'really' said it's made of plastic, but you want to lecture me? It seems you are just a narcisst that thinks he's right, even if all you tell is a lie and don't even know it yourself. So I lecture you now to go to a psychologist and please hold yourself away from social people.
Even when I would search this one video of thousands wouldn't make it real or an unbearable fact, because we only could know if we test it for ourselves, but that wouldn't make any sense to me, because why should I show you the video if you already stated that you depend on your lie. It wouldn't change the reality, that the camera is really good, but it would make the fact that some people have black dots, corona shining etc. more explainable. The lense could have even made of transparent aluminium and it wouldn't make sense to argue about it or defend someone who said in a video it's made of plastic, glass or whatever. The fact is that some people have problems with it and it's a quality failure, if it came out of the box and discussing prematurely about who is right or wrong doesn't fix the problem for someone with a problem.
Good bye
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So you are relying on someone and a video who's not even saying in a single sentence (minute 3:38+), that the camera lense is made of glass, so you are lying and I'm relying on another video where someone 'really' said it's made of plastic, but you want to lecture me?
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Last reply as I don't usual entertain people like you, here's 2 images, 1 of the plastic lens on the Priv, the other 1 of the glass lens on the Find X2 Pro, there's no shame in admitting you're incorrect, cheers.