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Hi, i have been reading about this, and i am getting conflicting information, and no real answer.
I have a 2.5" USB hard drive, and was wondering is there any way to plug this into the Magician, and then for the magician to see it as storage. I dont want to use it all the time, just when in the car, and plugged into the Car Stereo.
if its just a case of a lead convertion, then i think it would be simple, but if not.... hmmm.
So if anyone can help i'd be grateful
Thanks
Dahquim
This has been answered several times before, and should be possible to find by SEARCHING..
How ever, because I'm in a good mood, I shall answer..
Yes, it is THEORETICALLY possible.
To acheive this, you must gain USB host on your Magician.
This can be done in two ways: Backpack + CF card with host support or a SDIO card with host support.
This can be bought from several suppliers.
Then, it's the driver issue.
A USB disk should be usable on the WM200x OS, but I do not know the size limit.
It might be about 2GB or it could be lots more.
So in real life; NO you can't use a USB HDD with your Magician.
This MIGHT be possible with the new Universal, but we haven't got confirmation that it has USB host support yet.
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You might be able to do it if you can get a device that has host support.
Kinda like those gadgets that connects digital cameras to HDDs..
It just occurred to me..
How ever, It might be hard to use the magician to controle the data flow..
You'll probably need two connections to the device.
One for telling the device what to send, and one to receive..
Maybe, but unlikely...
chack out this things:
http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat_download/applicationnotes/AN10034_2.pdf
..this is a pseudo-host controller for PDA but i don't know were can find such a thing...
http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/markets/connectivity/wired/usb/products/otg/overview/#what
http://www.heisei.com.tw/products/2_5-inch_otg_hdd_enclosure/
http://www.cooldrives.com/usbotgshcou2.html
The PXA27x processor inside the magician does support USB-on-the-go...
If you look at the USB connector in the magician, you will see that it is actually a MiniAB connector...
So, from the pure hardware point of view, the magician should actually be able to operate in host mode and, for example, control an external hard drive/pendrive, or even a keyboard...
The point is, that most likely, there's no usb-on-the-go driver provided with the operating system...
IMHO, I think it be a waste. These devices we have are not meant to host power hungry device like a 2.5' HDD. It be a waste to what our devices would be known as "mobile." I think better stick to SD technology but that is also another issue. As the cards get larger and larger, the more processing time and power is required to fetch data and back.
there could be a way ....
After reading this thread, I think there is a possible way of actually having certain types of storages connect to the xdaii. I've seen some bluetooth 40gb hardadrives that connect to the pc. They connect using two methods. The first method connects the harddrive as a wireless storage device and the other method connects the hard drive as a bluetooth network storage. Now as for the second method, it's actually supported in broadcom's and widcomm's pda drivers. So in theory, your device should detect the harddrive as a local computer on your bluetooth network. But now, the main question is, can the bluetooth data transfer speed be sufficient to allow mp3 playback without lagging and frame drops ?? Well that's one questions I'd sure like to know the answer for. Anyways, just liked to share this info with u, it could be useful to u or for others on this forum. Good luck.
can we use this thing for i-mate jam with sdio wi-fi card:
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=119929&partner=register
http://www.hardavenue.com/reviews/asuswlhdd2.shtml
Hi all,
How to use my Cruise as a Usb Mass Storage device? Are there any free alternatives to WM5torage (which does not work in WM6.1)?
I tried Diamond's UsbToPc cab, but it does not work. There's also nueusb (no2chem_usbtopc_mass_storage), but I can't find a cab for it, just OEM (and I don't know how to install it).
I know CardExport works, but it's not free.
I use Mocha FTP (free)
http://www.mochasoft.dk/freeware/ftpd.htm
works wireless or via USB.
Take NueMassStorage. it's perfect.
http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/page/Pocket-PC.aspx
NueMassStorage doesn't seems to work on my Polaris (stock ROM, WM6). Most of the time the device is, indeed, detected as mass storage, but without any actual storage volumes on it. Sometimes the PC actually detects a storage volume and mounts it, yet the mounted drive remains inaccessible/unreadable.
The only solution i found to work so far is Softick's card export, yet, it costs $14.95, this is comparable to a regular card reader price, while it's speed on Polaris is about 8 to 10 times slower than an average card reader, and is only a little bit faster than transferring files via activesync.
IMHO, just get one of those nifty cards that come with a small compact reader, and keep the reader on your keychain.
InfX said:
NueMassStorage doesn't seems to work on my Polaris (stock ROM, WM6). Most of the time the device is, indeed, detected as mass storage, but without any actual storage volumes on it. Sometimes the PC actually detects a storage volume and mounts it, yet the mounted drive remains inaccessible/unreadable.
The only solution i found to work so far is Softick's card export, yet, it costs $14.95, this is comparable to a regular card reader price, while it's speed on Polaris is about 8 to 10 times slower than an average card reader, and is only a little bit faster than transferring files via activesync.
IMHO, just get one of those nifty cards that come with a small compact reader, and keep the reader on your keychain.
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and what if he's homeless?
Hmmm
He wouldn't be able to charge his phone - unless of course he got a solar charger as part of his contract...Where would they send the bills?
nir36 said:
and what if he's homeless?
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pebsuk said:
He wouldn't be able to charge his phone - unless of course he got a solar charger as part of his contract...Where would they send the bills?
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quantom energized phone.
The 16 GB Micro SD on the X7510...does it work ???
If yes, any comment as to speed especially on watching videos and playing music. I have my X7510 setup that all my necessary files and programs were installed in my Flash Disk, so the only thing that is going in the Micro SD card is music and videos.
It is also cheap now... at Amazon it only cost 63 USD.
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The 16 GB Micro SD on the X7510...does it work ???
If yes, any comment as to speed especially on watching videos and playing music. I have my X7510 setup that all my necessary files and programs were installed in my Flash Disk, so the only thing that is going in the Micro SD card is music and videos.
It is also cheap now... at Amazon it only cost 63 USD.
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I have had some troubles with Sandisk 16 micro SDHC (via a converter to mini, of course), purchased about a month ago. After two weeks of joy it just decided to disappear all files on it. Yesterday I have got a replacement, will see what happens.
The user manual say SD card, not going into details, so SDHC may be a problem, although SDHC for X7510 is mentioned most everywhere else.
If you got some hard facts, pls. let me know too, and vice versa.
Cheers.
Newbie11 said:
I have had some troubles with Sandisk 16 micro SDHC (via a converter to mini, of course), purchased about a month ago. After two weeks of joy it just decided to disappear all files on it. Yesterday I have got a replacement, will see what happens.
The user manual say SD card, not going into details, so SDHC may be a problem, although SDHC for X7510 is mentioned most everywhere else.
If you got some hard facts, pls. let me know too, and vice versa.
Cheers.
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Thanks for the update. I will be purchasing one soon.
Do you use WM5torage? Because on my X7510, that software does not work properly. Does not matter what version I use. It might be the culprit on yours.
cktlcmd said:
Do you use WM5torage? Because on my X7510, that software does not work properly. Does not matter what version I use. It might be the culprit on yours.
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Nope, I use either the regular ActiveSynch or connect using that second option
(settings/connections/USB to PC/ Disk Drive). I am quite unhappy with both, in fact - the first is too slow and fails unpredictably when large volume are copied, the second shows only the Flash Disk and tends to mess up the HTC when you disconnect.
So I have decided today to try out the nueMassStorage:
http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/page/nueMassStorage.aspx
Anything to be aware of re the SDHC card?
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Nope, I use either the regular ActiveSynch or connect using that second option
(settings/connections/USB to PC/ Disk Drive). I am quite unhappy with both, in fact - the first is too slow and fails unpredictably when large volume are copied, the second shows only the Flash Disk and tends to mess up the HTC when you disconnect.
So I have decided today to try out the nueMassStorage:
http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/page/nueMassStorage.aspx
Anything to be aware of re the SDHC card?
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Let us know how the nueMassStorage application works on your X7510.
From my experience with my SDHC card, NEVER format it using your computer. Use a compatible card reader or if ever you get WM5torage to work properly, use that with the micro SDHC card in the X7510.
There is another option, SOFTICK CARD EXPORT: http://www.softick.com/pocket-pc/cardexport2/
It's not free though.
Hi all,
I use my X7510 since a few weeks with a 16GB MicroSD with MiniSD adaptor.
I use it everyday with iGO 8 navigator installed from the SD card and I have no problems.
I'm waiting feedbacks about nueMassStorage also to see if we can have direct access to SD card from the PC.
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Let us know how the nueMassStorage application works on your X7510.
From my experience with my SDHC card, NEVER format it using your computer. Use a compatible card reader or if ever you get WM5torage to work properly, use that with the micro SDHC card in the X7510.
There is another option, SOFTICK CARD EXPORT: http://www.softick.com/pocket-pc/cardexport2/
It's not free though.
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Thanks for the tips. Re SOFTICK CARD EXPORT: I have used it with my now defunct TREO 650, and it is not very speedy. So I shall skip it for now.
About the formatting of the card: in any case when I have tried to format it (straight from the shop) on X7510, formatting was prevented for some mysterious reason, so I can't do it in any case.
nueMassStorage is a cool one. It created a second "USB to PC" icon, identical to the original one, in the Settings/Connections (well, I wish it were a bit different, but it's not a big deal).
It connects only to the storage card, which was a surprise, otherwise it works perfectly well and when disconnected doesn't cause any hiccups on HTC side.
Another small issue - there was supposed to be a popup that is triggered when you connect the synch cable, but it doesn't work so far.
So for small files I can use the regular synch, and for big ones - nueMassStorage. It means that if I need to load a big file to the flash disk, I'll have to copy it first to the storage card and then move it to the final destination. Not very convenient, but better than nothing.
cktlcmd said:
Let us know how the nueMassStorage application works on your X7510.
From my experience with my SDHC card, NEVER format it using your computer. Use a compatible card reader or if ever you get WM5torage to work properly, use that with the micro SDHC card in the X7510.
There is another option, SOFTICK CARD EXPORT: http://www.softick.com/pocket-pc/cardexport2/
It's not free though.
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Thanks for the tips. Re SOFTICK CARD EXPORT: I have used it with my now defunct TREO 650, and it is not very speedy. So I shall skip it for now.
About the formatting of the card: in any case when I have tried to format it (straight from the shop) on X7510, formatting was prevented for some mysterious reason, so I can't do it in any case.
nueMassStorage is a cool one. It created a second "USB to PC" icon, identical to the original one, in the Settings/Connections (well, I wish it were a bit different, but it's not a big deal).
It connects only to the storage card, which was a surprise, otherwise it works perfectly well and when disconnected doesn't cause any hiccups on HTC side.
Another small issue - there was supposed to be a popup that is triggered when you connect the synch cable, but it doesn't work so far.
So for small files I can use the regular synch, and for big ones - nueMassStorage. It means that if I need to load a big file to the flash disk, I'll have to copy it first to the storage card and then move it to the final destination. Not very convenient, but better than nothing.
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It connects only to the storage card, which was a surprise, otherwise it works perfectly well and when disconnected doesn't cause any hiccups on HTC side.
Another small issue - there was supposed to be a popup that is triggered when you connect the synch cable, but it doesn't work so far.
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It connects only to the Flash Disk for me, although the first time I ran it, it connected to my 16 GB Storage Card; after that, it always shows the flash disk.
You can find the Pop Up if you look in the Windows folder and look for nueStoragePopUp.exe file. You can create a shortcut under Windows/Start Menu/Programs/"to whatever folder you want".
After that you can ran the shortcut and a Pop Up Notification will appear with 3 options.
UPDATE: The Sandisk 16 GB Micro SDHC on a Mini Sandisk Adaptor works great. I love it.
Thanks for the tip - created a pop-up in the Resco Today Plugin, it works as prescribed. Still shows only the storage card, though.
I guess it is decided on the dice throw ;-)
Happy New Year!
I have a quick question. I have TnT lite 2.2 installed on my Gtab. If I plug in a USB thumbdrive, I can find the files on the Gtab. If I use a USB card reader, I cannot see where the files come up. I have gone through every folder, and the reader simply does not show up (yes, with a card in the reader).
Also, do all USB devices work? Where do they show up?
I am used to PC work, so getting used to this tablet is a bit of work
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I have a quick question. I have TnT lite 2.2 installed on my Gtab. If I plug in a USB thumbdrive, I can find the files on the Gtab. If I use a USB card reader, I cannot see where the files come up. I have gone through every folder, and the reader simply does not show up (yes, with a card in the reader).
Also, do all USB devices work? Where do they show up?
I am used to PC work, so getting used to this tablet is a bit of work
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Try looking for usbdisk folder either using es file explorer or root explorer. Files from usb disk are in there
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Try looking for usbdisk folder either using es file explorer or root explorer. Files from usb disk are in there
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I tried that folder and it did not recognize the reader. The folder was empty.
kewldude151 said:
I tried that folder and it did not recognize the reader. The folder was empty.
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try and reboot and then plug it in. if it still doesn't work, then maybe it just doesn't read the reader. only reads usb drives directly. it would be in the usbdisk folder btw.
Also keep in mind a lot of card readers (if not all) act like a bunch of drives even when there's nothing installed in them. That's why Windows pre-reserves drive letters for every slot on the gadget.
Readers like that may not work due to lack of proper drivers in Android ? Just a guess.
I don't have a portable SD reader at the moment (time for a DX order, I think). But, I have a microSD reader - one of those pen drives where you can add a microSD to it. That works fine in the VEGAn build, and I believe TnT Lite as well.
Tried the card reader for the CF cards from my camera. Had to plug the cable in 2 times but the card was seen and readable.
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Tried the card reader for the CF cards from my camera. Had to plug the cable in 2 times but the card was seen and readable.
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Was it a dedicated CF card reader or one of the multi readers? I have a multi reader I tried but couldnt get to come up. I am looking into a dedicated reader to see if that works.
It was a dedicated CF reader.
Since there is more than one slot, and Windows treats them as more than one drive, I would assume that one of the slots gets assigned as /usbdisk and the others are ignored. You are probably using one of the slots that is ignored.
Hopefully when we get the source, we can address these kinds of issues.
So essentially to get this to work, one needs to have just a dedicated reader for whatever style of memory card in use?
Cryofix in IRC has said that his 5-1 card reader worked. USB hubs work, so I don't see why these wouldn't. If you can, try putting a card in all of the slots to see if one is detected and then you'll know priority. There may be a way to remount the drives to different orders, but I have no idea how you would.
If you're rooted and have shell access you could manually mount the drives provided they're seen. They should be seen, I've had 6 devices hanging off a hub for mine and other than not knowing how(or not having the driver) to mount the DVD's UDF/ISO filesystem they all worked.
Count me in among the TnT Lite users who haven't yet figured out how to get their SD card reader to be recognized or mount. Mine has an LED on it that doesn't light up, leading me to believe it's not receiving power.
This is kind of an off the wall question that may require an answer from someone with technical knowledge...
I have an SD card that I used both in my Epic and in other phones as well. It has about 5 GB of pics and video I want to transfer onto my computer. The problem is that the computer basically freezes everytime because the move is so large and the micro device is only a class 2. I have a micro USB to USB port adapter on my PC where you just plug in the Micro card to the adapter then plug the adapter into the regular USB drive on the PC. Supposed to work great, and it does for smaller transfers.
I am wondering though if I would be better off putting the card in my Photon Q and using the Photon Q USB cord to facilitate the transfer? Like, is the Photon Q a more powerful interface that can push the transfer thru? I am thinking the small adapter device doesnt have the hardware power or something to handle the transfer while the MPQ might be able to handle it.
Just lots of baby pictures and videos I don't want to lose.
Well, I would say try it - the risk is pretty low. If your reader is really, REALLY cheap - I suppose there is a chance that the Photon Q would transfer it more easily. I've never had the issue you've described, but I have only had a handful of readers.
If that doesn't work, perhaps just do the transfer in smaller bits. Instead of copying all of it, do one folder at a time or something... break it down so there's not so much being transferred at once.
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Well, I would say try it - the risk is pretty low. If your reader is really, REALLY cheap - I suppose there is a chance that the Photon Q would transfer it more easily. I've never had the issue you've described, but I have only had a handful of readers.
If that doesn't work, perhaps just do the transfer in smaller bits. Instead of copying all of it, do one folder at a time or something... break it down so there's not so much being transferred at once.
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Well, when I put it in the Q, it said "Card Blank or Filesystem Not Supported" ... So much for that. I think there are some corruption issues on the flash device or something. I need a more powerful system to transfer it. Windows processes the information by like "previewing" and basically pre-processing it all before the transfer or delete and during this process it usually freezes up the window and stops responding. I wonder if linux handles the process differently than windows and lets me power thru or cancel the validation process?
I can see and access all the files on the USB, but once I try to transfer, delete, etc, then it freezes up and stops responding. Usually because it tries to "calculate" and process the operation before the operation actually happens.
Oh well, its something for a recovery expert now. Thanks anyway.