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Explain this outcome of Advanced Task Killer

I've a buddy of mine that found ATK on his own, installed it, and says he sees a "noticeable" improvement in speed on his Captivate (And he's got the lag fix already). I tried to reason that it's placebo but he does swear, it was a large improvement in speed. I can look online and find other reports of this.
And before you go down that route, he had nothing much more than stock installed (Facebook, etc... Nothing that I don't have).
I've also seen someone go from 8 hours of battery life to 12 hours just by installing ATK.
Explain these.
If Android TRULY managed memory so well, how does someone gain such performance boost from killing the processes?
If ATK was actually detrimental to battery life, why does someone gain more by using it?
I've seen both sides. I haven't noticed any speed differences running ATK compared to not running it.
I have also seen another side that says ATK hurt their battery life.
Seems there's too much conflicting info out there. You can argue til you're blue in the face that "it is negative"... But you cannot deny results some people are saying. So I'm just asking those of you that argue from that perspective... To explain these situations?

TexUs said:
Explain these.
If Android TRULY managed memory so well, how does someone gain such performance boost from killing the processes?
If ATK was actually detrimental to battery life, why does someone gain more by using it?
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A quick question, does your buddy kill the processes and then let the phone sit? Sure this is going to increase the battery life but so does pulling it from the phone all together.
Bottom line is there is no definitive answer as to the merits of ATK. If you like it, use it.

Most results tend to be anecdotal in nature. Those that get better battery life out of using ATK probably don't realize it's due to ATK killing off bad apps, and not due to freed-up RAM. If Android needs more RAM, it will shut down programs by itself. That 3MB of RAM you freed up with ATK isn't nearly as useful as the fact that same app you just killed was also hogging your CPU. Cause/effect, correlation/causation, etc.

People also get what's ive heard as the "new phone syndrome" where the phone is used constantly the first couple days, and the battery life is then thought to be horrible.
Also tell your buddy to look up settings > about phone> battery usage as the battery is largely affected by voice calls and the screen. A 5 min call uses more than you think.(thus the reasoning behind why I don't use atk)
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To a large extent battery life, phone, and app performance will always be somewhat subjective. No two people are going to use their phones in the exact same manner. depending on how a person uses their phone and what they have installed on their phone ATK may very well improve their phone's performance - especially if they have a bad acting app on their phone.
As for my personal testing, my phone does better without ATK. However I was a little biased against ATK from the beginning and this could have affected my results. I have used a half dozen different linux distros over the past eight years and while I have many times had to kill or force close an application, I have never needed to manually manage memory. Linux generally does a good job at managing memory and multitasking.

I can't say for your friend, but I was using a task killer for the first month I had the phone, and now I do not. So far performance, and battery life are the same with and without. I finally removed my old task killer and installed watchdog all I have it set to do now is simply alert me if an app is using excessive cpu, which would likely be due to poor app quality anyway. Other than that I've had no issues.

Mercath said:
That 3MB of RAM you freed up with ATK isn't nearly as useful as the fact that same app you just killed was also hogging your CPU. Cause/effect, correlation/causation, etc.
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I guess this is true. I've never seen claims that Android manages CPU, etc effectively, I've just seen claims about the RAM usage.
ageros said:
I can't say for your friend, but I was using a task killer for the first month I had the phone, and now I do not. So far performance, and battery life are the same with and without.
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That's what I've done as well, and yea... Can't tell a difference with and without (of course I also go "back" out of apps when I'm done).

i dont think it works that well

[Q] Ram management issue on the s6 causes lag?

Hey guys I am sorry if this question is asked again, but does the ram management issue on the s6 cause lag in day to day usage or it just deters the multitasking performance? Gonna buy the s6 tomorrow, and Im damn excited

albysajan said:
Hey guys I am sorry if this question is asked again, but does the ram management issue on the s6 cause lag in day to day usage or it just deters the multitasking performance? Gonna buy the s6 tomorrow, and Im damn excited
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It will mean if you use the back key to come out of apps, sometimes they will reload, such as phone and messaging etc, but only usually games will be closed regularly and aggressively. General lag isn't a problem, just a slight delay loading aps back into memory once they've closed.
I find if I back out of apps using the home key this problem is reduced.

Jonathan-H said:
It will mean if you use the back key to come out of apps, sometimes they will reload, such as phone and messaging etc, but only usually games will be closed regularly and aggressively. General lag isn't a problem, just a slight delay loading aps back into memory once they've closed.
I find if I back out of apps using the home key this problem is reduced.
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How about scrolling through apps such as chrome ,Facebook ,play store. Does this issue cause any lag?

I've never really experience any huge lag. I turn off my device once in 2 days so maybe that helps.

albysajan said:
Hey guys I am sorry if this question is asked again, but does the ram management issue on the s6 cause lag in day to day usage or it just deters the multitasking performance? Gonna buy the s6 tomorrow, and Im damn excited
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90% of users won't even notice the memory management "issue". Only hardcore multitaskers will. The "issue" is the S6 kicks apps out of cache very quickly so whenever you tap the multitask button, the app relaunches/redraws instead of resuming from a hibernated state. There is a little lag (~0.5 second), but it is not a dealbreaker that would prevent you from enjoying the phone.
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How about scrolling through apps such as chrome ,Facebook ,play store. Does this issue cause any lag?
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Chrome lags on every device I have owned, including the S6. Any app that uses Android WebView will lag.
I don't use facebook, so I can't speak for that app.
No Play store lag on my S6.

sublimaze said:
90% of users won't even notice the memory management "issue". Only hardcore multitaskers will. The "issue" is the S6 kicks apps out of cache very quickly so whenever you tap the multitask button, the app relaunches/redraws instead of resuming from a hibernated state. There is a little lag (~0.5 second), but it is not a dealbreaker that would prevent you from enjoying the phone.
Chrome lags on every device I have owned, including the S6. Any app that uses Android WebView will lag.
I don't use facebook, so I can't speak for that app.
No Play store lag on my S6.
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Well that cleared all of my doubts

albysajan said:
Well that cleared all of my doubts
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Really, I did'nt notice the problem with multitasking (because the S6 is so fast) before I read about it here.
Also, all the **** you hear about the battery life is not true. Of course, it's not the best out there (only 2550mah, so of course not) but it easily get you through the day (normal usage) and at least into another. The battery have gotten way better with a few updates (it was damn bad at the start) and might get even better when 5.1 hits in a few weeks.
Just turn of basic stuff, that noone uses anyway (almost) like, location history, wifi always scanning and such.

Faspaiso said:
Really, I did'nt notice the problem with multitasking (because the S6 is so fast) before I read about it here.
Also, all the **** you hear about the battery life is not true. Of course, it's not the best out there (only 2550mah, so of course not) but it easily get you through the day (normal usage) and at least into another. The battery have gotten way better with a few updates (it was damn bad at the start) and might get even better when 5.1 hits in a few weeks.
Just turn of basic stuff, that noone uses anyway (almost) like, location history, wifi always scanning and such.
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Glad to hear that, by the way 5.1 just came out recently and its showing mixed reactions among the users. Some people says that the battery life has improved a lot after the update and some just says its the same.

albysajan said:
Glad to hear that, by the way 5.1 just came out recently and its showing mixed reactions among the users. Some people says that the battery life has improved a lot after the update and some just says its the same.
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No, it's not out yet. At least not for the international version. Some users think, that the reason only one carrier got it yet, is because it is a "test" version. Not sure tho.
But well, as said, only out for one carrier for over a week now.

Faspaiso said:
Also, all the **** you hear about the battery life is not true. Of course, it's not the best out there (only 2550mah, so of course not) but it easily get you through the day (normal usage) and at least into another. The battery have gotten way better with a few updates (it was damn bad at the start) and might get even better when 5.1 hits in a few weeks.
Just turn of basic stuff, that noone uses anyway (almost) like, location history, wifi always scanning and such.
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Yeah the battery life is overblown. It is no worse than any other phone with <2500 mAh battery. Anyone coming from a 3000+ mAh battery will be disappointed, but anyone that is used to plugging in every day won't know any different.
If you are rooted, I also recommend App Ops to manage permissions and save more battery :good:

Check Force gpu rendering and no lag. As far as it regards multitasking it sucks.
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Is Greenify useful in Android 7+? How to Guard Against Buggy Battery Hog Apps?

Android has come a long way as far as battery usage management. For Android 7 or later, doesn't the "Doze" feature make the Greenify app have little to no usefulness? It seems with these types of subjects (battery apps, cleaners) it breaks into two camps: The "Tin foil hat" camp that uses words like "feels" or "seems" when describing benefits, and the camp that is skeptical. Either way, it is frustrating when you can't find anywhere or anyone on the Internet that has actually do a well thought out test to determine the answer as many things can affect a phones performance and battery usage so no one knows for sure in many cases if what they experienced was just coincidental timing with something else going on with their phone or if the app is truly the one making the difference.
I had a case one day where my battery took an abnormal dip and when I went into settings to see the app usage, the Pocket app was the culprit when I very rarely even use that app. Is there an app that looks for abnormal app battery usage and warns you about it? I prefer to either address the issue with the app developer and/or uninstall it as opposed to a band aid approach using Greenify and/or Island.

ram management issue

So i have 8/256 zenfone on last android 10 update but multitasking on this phone behave strange random apps are getting killed in the background even if I use idk 50 % of ram and by night most of the apps are gone from memory.
https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/comment/37973#Comment_37973 now some assus boy is trying to say that this is fine but no it is not -.- iam wondering if iam missing some option to turn off or any of you have some similar issues? Maybe iam missing some power saving option to turn off but i think i turn off all of them by now? :crying::cyclops:

Yes, by default this phone has fairly aggressive memory management. Most of the settings you'll want to adjust are under Settings - Battery - Powermaster - Battery Saving Options. You might also want to have a look under Settings - Advanced - Optiflex.

Devhux said:
Yes, by default this phone has fairly aggressive memory management. Most of the settings you'll want to adjust are under Settings - Battery - Powermaster - Battery Saving Options. You might also want to have a look under Settings - Advanced - Optiflex.
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Think I check them all already but today have the same situation still. I even do the format yesterday and for half of the day, phone keep 24 apps in memory without reloading and overnight on charger phone just clean its memory and leave me to 3 apps open so it cleans 21 apps -.- 'm on the edge of returning it i pay 25 % more for 8 GB and my phone is pretending to be 1 GB device sometimes...

berni502 said:
Think I check them all already but today have the same situation still I even do the format yesterday and for half of the day, phone keep 24 apps in memory without reloading and overnight on charger phone just clean its memory and leave me to 3 apps open so it cleans 21 apps -.- 'm on the edge of returning it i pay 25 % more for 8 GB and my phone is pretending to be 1 GB device sometimes...
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That's called battery savings...

EMJI79 said:
That's called battery savings...
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I don't need that and don't need anybody force me to save my battery lol And we have profiles for battery savings x; ) besides that this is my first android phone doing that... Even my older phones from Xiaomi and Xiaomi is widely known for aggressive ram management never went full retard on cleaning almost all my apps. :silly:
And why on earth it decides to save battery when its plugged to charger xD.

@berni502 is right. There's a bug with LMK or something. You can use RAM memory filler to test how much ram can be allocated to an app (and it gets killed at 5GB instead of 7GB on Pie). Since then everything gets killed even though there's about 4.5GB free, SystemUI included. Reboot fixes the problem. I think I'll open a new discussion there.

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@berni502 is right. There's a bug with LMK or something. You can use RAM memory filler to test how much ram can be allocated to an app (and it gets killed at 5GB instead of 7GB on Pie). Since then everything gets killed even though there's about 4.5GB free, SystemUI included. Reboot fixes the problem. I think I'll open a new discussion there.
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Pls do it! I feel like I am only one in there who cares : ( it seems that killing apps overnight and a way too aggressive ram management starts on android from android 9 there is a lot of ppl writing about it on pixel,oneplus and samsung forums but on asus is it just me : /.
I even find this site but think op resolve problem already because i have op 7t for +/- 3 days and it just works fine no even single app missing form ram overnight.
https://dontkillmyapp.com
I actually can semi confirm your observation about ram after reboots. Yesterday on clean install android 9 multitasking gets huge temporary improvement ram can get as low as 1,5 gb ram or even less but after a day 1 + unwanted ram clear overnight and my restart after this phone struggle to pass 2,8GB free memory it can handle way fewer apps in memory and start reloads them sooner.
First day on android 9 downgrade
VS
Second day
It can be fixed oneplus show it but they won't fix it if I am the only one who is barking about it on their forum.
BTW does your app getting wipe out from memory overnight? I mean from 20 + app get something between 3-9 in the morning and if not can you describe what exactly do you turn on or off in your system or you just don't touch anything?

Well, I'm not that hard multitasker. Of course I have some background services enabled but it's far from having 20 apps running at the same time. Regardless, after a week or so without reboot some issues become more apparent and LMK seems to be very aggressive even though there are 3 GB left (not even buffered).

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Well, I'm not that hard multitasker. Of course I have some background services enabled but it's far from having 20 apps running at the same time. Regardless, after a week or so without reboot some issues become more apparent and LMK seems to be very aggressive even though there are 3 GB left (not even buffered).
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can you try to bump your apps for the night and tell me how many of them you will see in recents in the morning
These issues are there from freaking July but they just don't care or idk
https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/7078/ram-management-and-heating-issue

berni502 said:
can you try to bump your apps for the night and tell me how many of them you will see in recents in the morning
These issues are there from freaking July but they just don't care or idk
https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/7078/ram-management-and-heating-issue
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I must confirm that you are not alone. I did it exactly as you described in one of your posts. Before going to bed I opened 24 applications, then I went through them all once again that they are really all loaded in memory (I have 6 GB of memory). When I woke up in the morning and pressed the multitask button, I was surprised to find that out of the 24 applications, there were exactly 3 left, as you have repeatedly claimed.
I stared at it open-mouthed. In fact, I've never done this check because the phone is fast enough that I just didn't recognize in the morning ((still sleepy) that applications were loading from Flash Memory instead of RAM.
This check is really simple, anyone can do it, but apparently not many users have done it yet.
Next time I would like to try to find out which applications actually stayed, whether the last used ones or completely random ones, and what processes took place at night that might be blame.

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I must confirm that you are not alone. I did it exactly as you described in one of your posts. Before going to bed I opened 24 applications, then I went through them all once again that they are really all loaded in memory (I have 6 GB of memory). When I woke up in the morning and pressed the multitask button, I was surprised to find that out of the 24 applications, there were exactly 3 left, as you have repeatedly claimed.
I stared at it open-mouthed. In fact, I've never done this check because the phone is fast enough that I just didn't recognize in the morning ((still sleepy) that applications were loading from Flash Memory instead of RAM.
This check is really simple, anyone can do it, but apparently not many users have done it yet.
Next time I would like to try to find out which applications actually stayed, whether the last used ones or completely random ones, and what processes took place at night that might be blame.
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I am really tired now of talking to the Asus boys on their forum its is like talking to the wall. Now i get info from them that this is a normal android 10 case but don't believe in this... I use logcat app for 2 nights but I am not that smart to figure out what and where its happening am trying but I think it will be better to return this phone while i still can... : / in the end like i said i pay almost 100$ more for 8gb to have those extra multitasking abilities but they are ripped off form the phone.
From my observation apps stayed in ram can be different. It sad because that ram issue was reported in July on their forum now i don't have any hope in asus work on fixing this problem.
use ram truth or some app to monitor ram and you see some another strange thing even that after night you stay with 3 apps open your ram will be almost full. For me, it was today about 700 mb difference after overnight app kill.

Have you guys tried the same exercise of opening 24 apps and checked them back at morning with other phones?. I'm no expert, but it is my understanding that apart from the LMK that kills apps if memory is needed there is also a time killer i.e. if an app is not used after X amount of time it is killed from memory, so what you see is normal Android behavior.

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Have you guys tried the same exercise of opening 24 apps and checked them back at morning with other phones?. I'm no expert, but it is my understanding that apart from the LMK that kills apps if memory is needed there is also a time killer i.e. if an app is not used after X amount of time it is killed from memory, so what you see is normal Android behavior.
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Like i said before i have oneplus 7t on android 10 for 3 days and it not clean my apps overnight but I am trying to collect some more info about pixel and oneplus now. I have multiple phones on android form 2.1 i believe xD oneplus 3 can keep my apps in memory for a week or longer

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oneplus 3 can keep my apps in memory for a week or longer
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Which Android version?
I haven't had a reason to deal with this issue yet, but after a while searching, I'm starting to feel that this is a feature of Android 9 and 10 that users of various brands complain about:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/help/note-9-closes-recent-apps-overnight-t3976779
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/apps-running-in-background-get-closed-refreshed.735964/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/978fck/anyone_else_having_issues_with_be_pie/
And they nostalgically recall Oreo where these problems were not.

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Which Android version?
I haven't had a reason to deal with this issue yet, but after a while searching, I'm starting to feel that this is a feature of Android 9 and 10 that users of various brands complain about:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/help/note-9-closes-recent-apps-overnight-t3976779
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/apps-running-in-background-get-closed-refreshed.735964/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/978fck/anyone_else_having_issues_with_be_pie/
And they nostalgically recall Oreo where these problems were not.
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i don't even remember on what android it was
like I said I am trying to collect some information because i had no problems with one plus 7t on android 10 when i have it for 3 days.
here you have links to my threads because most of your info links are pretty outdated
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-4-xl/help/apps-killing-overnight-t4032207#post81434337
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-7t/help/apps-killing-overnight-t4032153#post81433005
Even if android 10 works like that so what? xD they modified many apps in zenfone system and change many options and not implement many aswell so what's wrong with fixing something that clearly works bad and it is no fitted at all for devices with 6,8 gb of ram and more(not even 4 i will still be mad it this happened to me on 4 gb xD)... hmmm, now I'm curious how it works on rog phone 2 this beast have like what 12 gb of ram ? Imagine that you have 12 gb of ram and your apps still getting killed overnight xD i'am to tired to ask about it on rog 2 forum maybe you can.

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most of your info links are pretty outdated
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On the contrary, it is important that the links are older, because it only proves that this problem has been around for a long time (at least from A9) and in addition to different brands. The first link is from October 2019, which I would consider as current enough.

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On the contrary, it is important that the lines are older, because it only proves that this problem has been around for a long time (at least from A9) and in addition to different brands. The first link is from October 2019, which I would consider as current enough.
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yes but they are speaking about anbdroid 9 and they even find some semi solution of that in there(that restart one it shows how bugged it was) ; ) we don't know how it is on samsung android 10 now.
On pixel 4 seems to be ok without any issue and i can't find any no outdated info about oneplus so i just assume that there is no longer a killing app problemo + i have one fr 3 days.
Even minus app killing overnight ram management on asus it's just strange at the moment I am reopening one app that should be easy in memory because i have like 3gb of free ram left but nope it's gone -.-.

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we don't know how it is on samsung android 10 now.
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I'll check Samsung Galaxy S10 with A10 tomorrow maybe.

Question is, why would you want an app that you have not used for X hours to stay in memory? All apps that need to run in the background use a service for that purpose. The rest gets killed as they should because either another app needs the memory or because is haven't been used in a long time. To my knowledge Android has been like that for ever (as opposed to windows for example, where you can completely stall without memory unless you manually kill things).

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Question is, why would you want an app that you have not used for X hours to stay in memory? All apps that need to run in the background use a service for that purpose. The rest gets killed as they should because either another app needs the memory or because is haven't been used in a long time. To my knowledge Android has been like that for ever (as opposed to windows for example, where you can completely stall without memory unless you manually kill things).
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And why do i want all of them gone overnight when I am connected to charger ? Solution is easy if you wanna save your battery you have power profiles for that so you can and if you don't wanna do that you should still be able to but you cant... and there is matter of price why do i pay so much for so powerfull device when iam force to not use its hardware to full of its capabilities. You are right about android ram menagment but that i wanna kill your all apps start on android 9 apparently. There is nothing bad with cleaning some space when you need that for new apps but killing it all or killing it when you have half of ram empty its just stupid...
you can read some more in here maybe https://dontkillmyapp.com
and imagine i have 8 gb of ram that rog phone 2 can have even 12 and 6k battery if they have same problems lol its is like buying a sports hybrid car with turbo v8 engine and be forced to use only that electric motor because of fuel savings ^^

All Browsers destroy my battery

I am currently on stock Android 12. I flashed the unlocked stock image (non-verizon) a few weeks back. With Android 11, Android 12, LineageOS, etc. every browser I have tried including Chrome, Brave, Via, etc. all drain the battery way faster than browsers did on my previous Moto G5 plus. i would say when I am surfing the net on my browser (usually just reading forums, no video), the battery drains about 1% every 5 minutes or less. I have tried 2.4Ghz wifi, LTE, etc. and data connection type doesn't seem to impact anything.
Is this normal for this phone? anything to do to reduce browser battery drain?

If you go into battery usage graph, is the browser the only app listed as using up the battery (and not the screen brightness, or another app that may be contributing to the heavy usage)

JohnC said:
If you go into battery usage graph, is the browser the only app listed as using up the battery (and not the screen brightness, or another app that may be contributing to the heavy usage)
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correct. if I am using other apps the battery drain isn't near as severe. I keep the display setting "extra dim" enabled all the time and I keep it down as low as I can tolerate. I use a pitch black wallpaper use dark mode in browsers so they have mostly black background with white text.
Phone idle is the only other thing that seems to use a sizeable amount of battery according to the battery usage data in settings.

Sounds about right. Came from a Moto G7 Play (15 months back) and saw similar drain rates. All three devices have similar battery specs which plays into the units being used to assess drain. Is what it is.
FWIW - Opera

DB126 said:
Sounds about right. Came from a Moto G7 Play (15 months back) and saw similar drain rates. All three devices have similar battery specs which plays into the units being used to assess drain. Is what it is.
FWIW - Opera
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Not gonna lie, it makes me want to go back to Motorola when this Pixel bites the dust.

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Not gonna lie, it makes me want to go back to Motorola when this Pixel bites the dust.
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Many Moto's bring a nice package with unique tricks. Gotta do your homework on what features are most important when the time comes.

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Many Moto's bring a nice package with unique tricks. Gotta do your homework on what features are most important when the time comes.
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I definitely did that. I only got the 4a because it was the perfect size and had a headphone jack. I assumed with a newer hardware set and similar sized battery compared to my old phone batter life "should" be better. Nope.

Na, it's more complicated. 4a sports more sensors, brighter/denser display, faster processors, etc. System and personal apps clearly play a role in longevity (behind screen brightness); you'd need to do a detail study to understand what's drawing when and why.
I use to fuss over such matters but find the device lasts a full day for my use case which is all that really matters. Charges up quick from a modest size battery pack when camping/traveling. Just like past Motos.
Not sure who I'll partner with in the next dance. Love Pixel cameras (especially in challenging conditions) and routine updates. Miss some of Moto's innovations, like active display and actions. Needs to be close to AOSP; no Samsung UX butchery. In the end form factor will likely be the deciding factor once non-contenders are ruled out.

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I assumed with a newer hardware set and similar sized battery compared to my old phone batter life "should" be better.
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I don't know what CPU you came from, but if the Moto only had "small" cores then of course it used less battery. "Big" cores use more power. They go faster too, but if you have a constant load, then they'll eat battery faster.
I don't know if there's a non-root way to disable the big cores, but I suspect you can do it with root (but don't know for sure).
Otherwise, you gotta get your browser to stop running JavaScript. If you're watching video you need to make sure the browser is offloading all the decoding to the hardware codecs rather than doing it on the CPU.
And if the screen is on, it might help to try and get it "more black" (eg. Use night mode) or turn down the brightness. The screen is often the primary user of power when a device is being used.

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I don't know what CPU you came from, but if the Moto only had "small" cores then of course it used less battery. "Big" cores use more power. They go faster too, but if you have a constant load, then they'll eat battery faster.
I don't know if there's a non-root way to disable the big cores, but I suspect you can do it with root (but don't know for sure).
Otherwise, you gotta get your browser to stop running JavaScript. If you're watching video you need to make sure the browser is offloading all the decoding to the hardware codecs rather than doing it on the CPU.
And if the screen is on, it might help to try and get it "more black" (eg. Use night mode) or turn down the brightness. The screen is often the primary user of power when a device is being used.
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Thanks for the suggestions. My power complaints are just limited to the browser so I dont think it is just the larger CPUs. I think my standby consumption issues are related to Stock Android as I am now running GrapheneOS and my standby power consumption now matches my old Moto G5 Plus.
As for browser usage consumption, I have tried everything but disabling Javascript. I will try that and see if it breaks anything I use regularly. Thanks for the idea.
tangent back to general power consumption, I typically disable just about everything behind the scenes as I can. I keep the theme on pitch black. I use the extra dim setting to keep screen brightness as low as I can tolerate. I use night mode in browser to keep as much black background as possible. I disable all tap-to-wake or sensor based features. When I was trying to run Android 12, I disabled all the smart services and removed all the google apps I could. I removed all permissions I could. I restricted all apps I could. I disabled adaptive settings, etc. There is a bunch of stuff running in the background on Android 12 and I just could not

Welcome to the future. Older phones had better battery life

Locklear308 said:
Welcome to the future. Older phones had better battery life
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I dont think it is all the phone. GrapheneOS has 40% better standby battery usage than stock android 12. On graphene, it matches my old Moto G5 Plus. It is either lazy programmers with inefficient coding these days or it is google having the stock OS do waaaay too much by default with no way to disable it.
I'm trying to figure that out now.

badtlc said:
I dont think it is all the phone. GrapheneOS has 40% better standby battery usage than stock android 12. On graphene, it matches my old Moto G5 Plus. It is either lazy programmers with inefficient coding these days or it is google having the stock OS do waaaay too much by default with no way to disable it.
I'm trying to figure that out now.
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I totally agree on the lazy thing. So many devs now days are so lazy. I develope QuickBase databases and constantly run into extremely poorly setup realms/apps. Just basic stuff. Lol