Is everyone else experiencing lag when saving raw photos from the expert raw camera ? It just seems to take forever after taking a couple photos . Any fixes ?
Did you try restarting the phone? Also clear phone cache
Depending on the situation (e.g. lighting conditions), Expert RAW can be kinda slow.
FYI. Samsung pushed out an update to Expert RAW.
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Depending on the situation (e.g. lighting conditions), Expert RAW can be kinda slow.
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It usually does that after the 2nd consecutive shot . I will try the update now , but don't think it will be making a huge difference
So no, same issue. Seems to go just a liiiiitle but quicker, with a bit less stutter
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So no, same issue. Seems to go just a liiiiitle but quicker, with a bit less stutter
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And probably a bit less heat
Try saving your images as RAW only. I just changed my save settings to save RAW only. The save time is noticeably shorter.
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Try saving your images as RAW only. I just changed my save settings to save RAW only. The save time is noticeably shorter.
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I have done just that when I saw I got the option. But still pretty slow even so
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I have done just that when I saw I got the option. But still pretty slow even so
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My images were pretty well lit, which means I am using a lower ISO and a faster shutter speed. As counter-intuitive as it may sound, higher ISO images have more data in them. I've experienced this same issue with DSLRs. Increasing the ISO increases the sensitivity of the sensor, which in turn increases the amount of data being captured. Combine that with the slower shutter speeds associated with low light capture and it will slow the camera's over all performance.
This doesn't mean performance can't be improved. Expert RAW performance (speed-wise) is noticeably slower than the Camera app. Samsung needs to tweak the algorithms it uses to process the image when saving.
Apple Pro Raw can do 48Mpx, S22 Ultra only 12Mpx, come on Samsung, at least 27Mpx.
12Mpx is ok for mobile phone, but for big screen or to print it sucks.
DoKaTSuYa said:
Apple Pro Raw can do 48Mpx, S22 Ultra only 12Mpx, come on Samsung, at least 27Mpx.
12Mpx is ok for mobile phone, but for big screen or to print it sucks.
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You obviously have no idea how Samsung cameras work. Nor how digital cameras (or any camera) work.
The S22 Ultra's camera is 108MP. It combines 9 pixels (3x3) into one. This essentially makes bigger pixels which improves dynamic range.
A 12MP image is plenty enough to make a 13x19in print. I've made 13x19in prints from 6MP RAW images almost 20 years ago.
Before talking smack do your homework.
Why your Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra's 108MP camera takes 12MP photos
Plus how to take full-resolution shots — and why you probably shouldn't bother
www.androidpolice.com
The software is doing some heavy processing, which I suspect explains the lag. Mainly I wanted to confirm that I experience this, too. It takes a second or two to save the files. Being an IT person, I know to be patient with the software, but I could see where people might get impatient with it. It is important to consider the use cases for which the software was designed. It provides high fidelity images by combining data from multiple shots, I believe. It is more of a niche app, whereas the default camera app is meant to be your everyday app.
I have had two other issues with Expert RAW, dealing with corrupted files, but that is a topic for a new thread.
Hector M said:
The software is doing some heavy processing, which I suspect explains the lag. Mainly I wanted to confirm that I experience this, too. It takes a second or two to save the files. Being an IT person, I know to be patient with the software, but I could see where people might get impatient with it. It is important to consider the use cases for which the software was designed. It provides high fidelity images by combining data from multiple shots, I believe. It is more of a niche app, whereas the default camera app is meant to be your everyday app.
I have had two other issues with Expert RAW, dealing with corrupted files, but that is a topic for a new thread.
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Actually, in addition to processing, for some reason, Expert RAW is capped at only 48Hz refresh rate. AFAIK.
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Actually, in addition to processing, for some reason, Expert RAW is capped at only 48Hz refresh rate. AFAIK.
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Refresh rate has nothing to do with how fast an app processes data.
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Refresh rate has nothing to do with how fast an app processes data.
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Where did I say that the refresh rate has done such? Can you read my reply once more, but this time slowly?
"Actually, IN ADDITION to processing, for some reason, Expert RAW is capped at only 48Hz refresh rate. AFAIK."
Saying here that apart from the processing, the screen refresh rate is ALSO capped at 48Hz which contributes to that "laggy" feel on the screen when trying to work inside the app.
Hector M said:
The software is doing some heavy processing, which I suspect explains the lag. Mainly I wanted to confirm that I experience this, too. It takes a second or two to save the files. Being an IT person, I know to be patient with the software, but I could see where people might get impatient with it. It is important to consider the use cases for which the software was designed. It provides high fidelity images by combining data from multiple shots, I believe. It is more of a niche app, whereas the default camera app is meant to be your everyday app.
I have had two other issues with Expert RAW, dealing with corrupted files, but that is a topic for a new thread.
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That heavy processing is made more complicated by the lighting conditions and the settings either the camera or the user sets. Like I said, using a higher ISO means more data has to be processed. Slower shutter speed combine with high ISO equals slow performance.
When using it in well lit conditions the lag is barely noticeable.
To be fair, there is a lot of room for improvement. If Samsung wants to market Expert RAW as a DSLR replacement, it has a lot of work to do.
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Where did I say that the refresh rate has done such? Can you read my reply once more, but this time slowly?
"Actually, IN ADDITION to processing, for some reason, Expert RAW is capped at only 48Hz refresh rate. AFAIK."
Saying here that apart from the processing, the screen refresh rate is ALSO capped at 48Hz which contributes to that "laggy" feel on the screen when trying to work inside the app.
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The refresh rate only deals with how often the screen is refreshed. It has nothing to with background image processing. Furthermore, where did you hear that the app's refresh rate is capped?
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The refresh rate only deals with how often the screen is refreshed. It has nothing to with background image processing. Furthermore, where did you hear that the app's refresh rate is capped?
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Bruh.....
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE REFRESH RATE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW PROCESSING WORKS. I'm saying that the app has capped refresh rate so it also contributes to the laggy feel when you scroll inside it etc....
I didn't hear it, you can literally check the refresh rate of the panel while you're in the app.
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Bruh.....
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE REFRESH RATE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW PROCESSING WORKS. I'm saying that the app has capped refresh rate so it also contributes to the laggy feel when you scroll inside it etc....
I didn't hear it, you can literally check the refresh rate of the panel while you're in the app.
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"Bruh"
Before talking anymore, you should read the original post. The OP was talking about how long it takes to save a RAW image, which has NOTHING to do with the refresh rate. A higher screen refresh rate does not have anything to do with how fast an app runs. All it does is provide perceptibly smoother scrolling experience, better readability and use more batter. Expert RAW and the Camera apps don't require a lot of scrolling, so Samsung capped the refresh rate to help save battery. Your whole argument is moot.
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In the Techradar review it mentioned they found it slow to move from shot to shot & slow saving. How fair a comment is this?
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/nokia-lumia-1020-1165253/review
Well, its no DSLR, but I've not missed a shot due to it being slow. It is saving larger than most Phones sized pics, so its would not be surprising if it took a few more milliseconds.
The pluses way out number any perceived minuses in my book...
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Well, its no DSLR, but I've not missed a shot due to it being slow. It is saving larger than most Phones sized pics, so its would not be surprising if it took a few more milliseconds.
The pluses way out number any perceived minuses in my book...
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Do you think the review was unfair in this respect then?
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Do you think the review was unfair in this respect then?
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The camera is a little slower than what I am used to, but it takes great shots. If timing is an issue I tend to use the Nokia Pro Cam application as my lens. It takes several pictures in rapid succession and overcomes this issue.
Overall, the phone and camera are exceptional in my opinion. Like everything else, there are some small tradeoffs.
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The camera is a little slower than what I am used to, but it takes great shots. If timing is an issue I tend to use the Nokia Pro Cam application as my lens. It takes several pictures in rapid succession and overcomes this issue.
Overall, the phone and camera are exceptional in my opinion. Like everything else, there are some small tradeoffs.
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Can I widen this out & ask owners of the 1020 how fair in general they felt that review was?
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Can I widen this out & ask owners of the 1020 how fair in general they felt that review was?
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I would say it is a pretty fair review of the platform more so than the phone specifically.
I find that there is an app for almost everything I need on the platform, but I am not a super active social media person checking in every few minutes on 10 different platforms.
The phone itself is smooth and I have yet to experience any snags. The reviewer makes mention of the camera making it weird to hold. I actually find that it helps it from slipping out of my hand and prevents the camera from laying against surfaces when you put the phone down. Who would have thought that a large growth coming out of a phone would actually have some appeal to me.
Just for balance I will mention that I use an android tablet, so this is not some MS/Nokia pitch. It is just a really nice phone.
Now they just need to release the wireless charging cover so I can stop missing my 920 so much.
Hope this helps someone.
The review is written by an obvious iOS fanboy. He bags on Win 8 constantly. Ok, I'm 54, so I can give a rats ass about no Instagram or Vine, yet I can find any app I want and i probably have close to 100 already. From Formula One to Yelp. And wow, its too much for him to swipe down a bit to check his email. Yes, I think it was a highly biased review. Waiting on the Anandtech review myself, but doesn't matter. I've had it over a week and dig it over all. It fast, games are good, surfing great, screen doesn't really show the finger prints like my Samsung Focus did.
I was a bit bemused by his comments about notifications as I wouldn't say iOS was the greatest on this under the current version.
the procam app takes an extra second to save an image, but it's also saving a 5mp and a 38mp (?) image at the same time, so it's a given. if quick auto setting type images are needed, the stock camera lens as well as the nokia smartshot (?) lens both take fast pictures.
Camera Sensor Speed
The Giant Sensor speed is too low for Slow Motion.
It would be enough for 720P@60FPS but not for higher Framerates.
Also the Delay between 2 Pictures is toooo long.
The Processing power is like the Galaxy S2 or so...
Wait for the Nokia Lumia 1030 with Galaxy Note 4 Processing Power and 50 Megapixel Sensor.
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Considering the resolution being used im suprised how poor the sensor is? It handles low light shockingly bad.
Noise is insane and its a shame.
Also theres no ability to edit the 360 image that i have found thus far, it needs to be flattened into a jpeg and that obviously defeats the purpose,
So anyone with any advice please can you discuss your experience?
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Considering the resolution being used im suprised how poor the sensor is? It handles low light shockingly bad.
Noise is insane and its a shame.
Also theres no ability to edit the 360 image that i have found thus far, it needs to be flattened into a jpeg and that obviously defeats the purpose,
So anyone with any advice please can you discuss your experience?
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I agree, automode is terrible with dark photos, even with the night setting. I've had better luck in manual mode and keeping the shutter open longer, but it can be overexposed if the light on both sides of the camera is not equal - a constant challenge with 360 cameras.
But you can edit them in Photoshop - you just have to save them as 360 photos and with proper EXIF data so the viewer knows they're 360 photos.
Here's a good manual on how to do it:
https://facebook360.fb.com/editing-360-photos-injecting-metadata/
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Considering the resolution being used im suprised how poor the sensor is? It handles low light shockingly bad.
Noise is insane and its a shame.
Also theres no ability to edit the 360 image that i have found thus far, it needs to be flattened into a jpeg and that obviously defeats the purpose,
So anyone with any advice please can you discuss your experience?
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I was able to edit the photos and videos from the 360 cam I have made a video about it here
https://youtu.be/wszkGqhooxE
Also Fyi there is a new firmware and app update which seems to have improved the quality of the images a bit as well as introducing an interval meter (timelapse) which is cool in 360 for that I used adobe premiere but the results where great
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Also Fyi there is a new firmware and app update which seems to have improved the quality of the images a bit as well as introducing an interval meter (timelapse) which is cool in 360 for that I used adobe premiere but the results where great
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I am super stoked about this. Looking forward to trying it this weekend.
I'm considering the XZ, however there are very conflicting reviews of the camera. Some show really nasty photos, some show good photos. I'm assuming some of this has to do with SW versions and I know the XZ recently updated to 7.0.
I can't tell anything from a tethered store display unit.
Anyone have any comments regarding photo quality?
Manual mode is fine for me to shoot in. I almost always use manual mode on my cell phones and also my digital cameras.
Thanks in advance.
I find it pretty good, the manual shutter speed goes right down to 1/4000, manual focus ISO etc.
In MM I did realise the camera quality was worse than in 7.0 - so they did improve it.
Photos I have taken have great colours, and can usually be edited quite well in lightroom.
Big downside is the no RAW support (Yet, hopefully they release it)
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I find it pretty good, the manual shutter speed goes right down to 1/4000, manual focus ISO etc.
In MM I did realise the camera quality was worse than in 7.0 - so they did improve it.
Photos I have taken have great colours, and can usually be edited quite well in lightroom.
Big downside is the no RAW support (Yet, hopefully they release it)
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Thanks.
Colors have pretty much always been good in reports. The main thing that some of the "bad" reviews have mentioned is the artifacts especially in lower light. The better reviews and pictures that I've seen online don't really show a huge artifact problem and some of the youtube videos show what appears to be very good lowlight performance using manual mode.
I knew about the lack of raw support and I've used LR for a long time.
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Thanks.
Colors have pretty much always been good in reports. The main thing that some of the "bad" reviews have mentioned is the artifacts especially in lower light. The better reviews and pictures that I've seen online don't really show a huge artifact problem and some of the youtube videos show what appears to be very good lowlight performance using manual mode.
I knew about the lack of raw support and I've used LR for a long time.
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Sony has always been a bit dodgy with low light, but I have found the XZ really improves on that (Compared to ther Z3, and Z5) Manual mode really helps with some of that though (same as a DSLR though)
Another thing to note, the device unlocks super quickly, and same with the camera, good for those un prepared shots
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Sony has always been a bit dodgy with low light, but I have found the XZ really improves on that (Compared to ther Z3, and Z5) Manual mode really helps with some of that though (same as a DSLR though)
Another thing to note, the device unlocks super quickly, and same with the camera, good for those un prepared shots
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Thanks again for the response.
I suppose that there isn't really any infor on their nrw 19mp camera used in thr XZs, nor have I found any pricing on it. At any rate it seems only a small upgrade from the XZ, with mostly the new camera and another 1 of ram
Pictures are generally very noisy and blurry when its not in extremely good light (inside with the sun shining through the windows with the lights on as well) Video however is very very good. I dont use manual mode since I don't know what to do, but as a point and shoot I can think of several phones that do better and probably cost less. If you want to buy it for the camera, just dont.
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Pictures are generally very noisy and blurry when its not in extremely good light (inside with the sun shining through the windows with the lights on as well) Video however is very very good. I dont use manual mode since I don't know what to do, but as a point and shoot I can think of several phones that do better and probably cost less. If you want to buy it for the camera, just dont.
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Noisy and blurry? Do you have a xz? In my xz i don't have those problems...
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Noisy and blurry? Do you have a xz? In my xz i don't have those problems...
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Thats strange, I hope I dont have a faulty hardware , however did you try to take indoor pictures and zoom in, you'll really notice the noise atleast, and if I'm not still as a building then it will also blur.
Sometimes the SW can overboard with the sharpening, I wish there was an option to disable it. Most phones probably have this issue too though.
I dont know if this can be counted as an issue but the lens on XZ has kind of a fish eye effect, So If you are taking a picture of an object and put it i the corners, it stretches and looks a bit... uh, unnatural? Because of this I try to make sure to center people as much as I can.
Some also say that taking pics in 8 mp mode introduces some artifacts because of the conversion algorithm (23mp to 8mp downsizing). So I use 23MP to avoid any unwanted processing.
I find the colors of the photos, taken with the XZ, to be very dull and way too cold to my liking, and XZ's Camera UI and Camera API have very limited manual controls set, unlike the rest of the flagships out there. I made a few photos with my old Xperia Pro and my new Xperia XZ for comparison, you can check them here - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0u28226fxm9z27d/AADrU08TmvfIUtSbprgharT-a?dl=0 . I was very unhappy with the XZ's camera so I sold it one week after I bought it.
EDIT: you check this thread for more information about the limitations, related to the manual controls of XZ's camera - https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-xz/help/enable-manual-controls-camera-t3580654
My experience, XZ pictures have a lot of noise (you can see that when you zoom in) when the light is not enough (and the phone is the one that decides what it means by enough )
I am coming from Galaxy s6 edge + to XZ Dual, and the S6 is the winner in my comparison.
If you want it for the camera, I wouldnt recommend you to go for the XZ.
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check this for your reference
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-xz/help/xperia-xz-dual-sim-camera-noise-t3582899
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Thanks again for the response.
I suppose that there isn't really any infor on their nrw 19mp camera used in thr XZs, nor have I found any pricing on it. At any rate it seems only a small upgrade from the XZ, with mostly the new camera and another 1 of ram
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This review has sample photos in full res from XZS if you wanna know about picture quality. I own the XZ and i do see a difference in quality to the better in XZs compared to XZ..
https://www.lowyat.net/2017/128842/sony-xperia-xzs-review-one-trick-pony/
After I started using 4:3 full resolution instead od cropped 16:9 and disabled object tracking I very rarely see edge bluring and the photos in general are a lot better.
The "noise" people talk about in most cases is not really noise, it's a result of the image processing algorithm being too aggressive trying to eliminate noise even when there isn't any. First it sharpens the hell out of the photo to bring out as much detail as possible and then it tries to remove the resulting noise by applying heavy noise reduction. It's basically shooting itself in the foot. But, it really isn't as dramatic as some would say, you can't really see that effect until you zoom in really close. If Sony could find a middle ground, balance it out a bit, it would be perfect.
Sony's image processing has always been an issue for some unexplainable reason, they mastered sensors and image processing in photography a long time ago, but when it comes to phones it fails in software department, the sensor are the best on the market still.
It really is mind boggling, and they are aware of that, it's basically a software issue, it just needs some adjusting, why apply a noise reduction filter when there isn't any noise? HDR usually sucks as well. Then again, their DIS is top notch, the autofocus since the XZ is superb, the colors to me look great all around, low light photos are very good, specially in manual mode with adjustable shutter speed...there are great things about Sony's cameras, but usually things average user doesn't really see or cares about.
To be fair, the only time I see those artefacts is when I zoom in, not even when watching fullscreen on a PC, so I'm really pleased with the camera on Xperia since the Z3, but all things considered, Sony should have the best smartphone cameras in the world or at least be the top 3.
All that being said, shooting in manual mode is a different story, once you get a hang of it and learn how to use it, it can stand besides the best of them, easy. But that's not really a fair measurement, only auto modes, because that's what most people will use, and that's where Sony usually doesn't do that great.
The phone takes great photos, and I have yet to see a review that says it's a bad camera. It really isn't, it just isn't at the top few as it could be.
As for the XZs, currently it often produces lower quality photos than the XZ, depending on the scenario, it isn't a better camera, it's just different and has different strenghts in different scenarios. Plus, the slowmo gadget, if you care about that stuff. Other than that, there is no reason why it should be a better camera in average scenarios, maybe in low light because the pixels are bigger, but that's pretty much it.
If the quality of photos is your only concern about buying an XZ (or XZs, for that matter), you shouldn't be worried.
Hello everybody,
I just bought a used S22 ultra wich is in mint condition. But i immediatly see that picture quality was ... BAD. Especially with the main lens. I got blurry areas accros the pic, strong artifacts and noise. I took the same pic with my old S20, and the quality is better !!
I just want to ask you what you think. Is there a problem or not?
I already did a factory reset... but it does not help.
Seriously, the quality is bad, the grass at the bottom and relatively blurry on the s22 while on the s20 the quality is consistent.
As well as the whole left side of the picture.
Thanks for you feed back.
Poor test subject. Try a picket fence or brick house instead. Something the wind can't move.
ribariba said:
Hello everybody,
I just bought a used S22 ultra wich is in mint condition. But i immediatly see that picture quality was ... BAD. Especially with the main lens. I got blurry areas accros the pic, strong artifacts and noise. I took the same pic with my old S20, and the quality is better !!
I just want to ask you what you think. Is there a problem or not?
I already did a factory reset... but it does not help.
Seriously, the quality is bad, the grass at the bottom and relatively blurry on the s22 while on the s20 the quality is consistent.
As well as the whole left side of the picture.
Thanks for you feed back.
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You said that it is used. Did you buy it from somebody directly or from a store?
What camera mode were you using? If you haven't already , download and install Expert RAW from the Galaxy Store.
I'll take a few and upload so we can compare.
Here are a few shots to compare.
The first pair were taken with the camera in Photo Mode
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The second pair were taken with the camera in Pro Mode
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Poor test subject. Try a picket fence or brick house instead. Something the wind can't move.
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I didn't know that the S22 ultra was only capable of capturing still subjects. However, I obviously compared several photographs and not only this one. This is an example.
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Here are a few shots to compare.
The first pair were taken with the camera in Photo Mode
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The second pair were taken with the camera in Pro Mode
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Ok. Thank you for your photographs. I can still see that yours seem more homogeneous and consistent in terms of quality than mine.
I tried with the "pro" mode as well as with "Expert Raw", there is a minimal difference.
On the other hand, I should perhaps specify that I use an S22 ultra with the EXYNOS chip and not SNAPDRAGON. What about you?
So according to you, it is not obvious that there is a problem?
ribariba said:
Ok. Thank you for your photographs. I can still see that yours seem more homogeneous and consistent in terms of quality than mine.
I tried with the "pro" mode as well as with "Expert Raw", there is a minimal difference.
On the other hand, I should perhaps specify that I use an S22 ultra with the EXYNOS chip and not SNAPDRAGON. What about you?
So according to you, it is not obvious that there is a problem?
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At first glance, not really. If I zoom in enough, then yes.
The S22 Ultra is a really good phone. Ultimately, it is your decision whether you are happy with it. Keep in mind that Samsung sends out monthly updates. It's not uncommon for it to update the camera during these updates. I received updates for the Camera and Expert RAW apps. Also, Android 13 work OneUI 5 will be released later this year or early next year. That will come with camera improvements.
I have the S22 Ultra Snap Dragon. There are some differences with the cameras.
S22 Ultra Snapdragon vs Exynos: do you really get different cameras?
The Galaxy S22 Ultra might be the best camera phone around, but... which model are you exactly talking about? The Snapdragon US version actually captures different photos than the Exynos model in the rest of the world...
www.phonearena.com
I'm not sure if it's enough to worry about. I think it's more of a software processing difference rather than a hardware difference.
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I didn't know that the S22 ultra was only capable of capturing still subjects. However, I obviously compared several photographs and not only this one. This is an example.
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Motion blurring from the wind...
Straight high contrast lines instead of rocks
Faces with AF lock on closest eye. Skin tone should be true; leaves don't show this.
ribariba said:
Ok. Thank you for your photographs. I can still see that yours seem more homogeneous and consistent in terms of quality than mine.
I tried with the "pro" mode as well as with "Expert Raw", there is a minimal difference.
On the other hand, I should perhaps specify that I use an S22 ultra with the EXYNOS chip and not SNAPDRAGON. What about you?
So according to you, it is not obvious that there is a problem?
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Speaking of updates. Have you gotten the latest update?
Galaxy S22 series gets camera improvements with latest software update
The Galaxy S22 series latest software update (June) brings hidden camera improvements!
www.phonearena.com
Part of it was an update for the camera and fixes some of the issues you are experiencing.
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I just want to ask you what you think. Is there a problem or not?
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I would say maybe.
Most of the users would not care or see what you have identified, but I do agree it does not look ok for a >$1000 camera phone.
Some variation in lens quality or (mis)alignment is normal and it depends on you if you accept it or replace it. Be aware that this phone has 5 single cameras, so if you exchange the phone, one camera might be better, but others might be worse. On the other hand, it is the main camera, you identified it and now never will be happy, so I think you should take into account to try to exchange it.
Please share some more comparisons to make it more clear how significant this issue is.
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In his example picture the AVF1 is listed.
Thank you all for your answers and opinions.
I took several "test photos" this morning. Frankly it's disappointing.
Indeed, as indicated, I have the last update of June.
My problem is a consistency problem, some areas are blurred and others are sharp. And I think that no update will change anything, it is a hardware problem.
I place here a photograph where this is particularly noticeable. I circle the sharp areas. Seriously, the problem is obvious, right?
I had to look few times to perceive the problem. As I'm not that interested, generally, in taking photos then to me the problem/issue is negligible. However, to you and anyone else I guess, who are more invested in taking photos then to them these imperfections are a problem
ribariba said:
Thank you all for your answers and opinions.
I took several "test photos" this morning. Frankly it's disappointing.
Indeed, as indicated, I have the last update of June.
My problem is a consistency problem, some areas are blurred and others are sharp. And I think that no update will change anything, it is a hardware problem.
I place here a photograph where this is particularly noticeable. I circle the sharp areas. Seriously, the problem is obvious, right?
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The image isn't showing shooting settings.
Again... this is not the way to test lene blur. Use solid subjects that can't be move by the wind.
A lense blur chart is better.
All lens have a blur pattern that varies throughout their aperture range if any. If you got a bad copy, return it.
ribariba said:
Thank you all for your answers and opinions.
I took several "test photos" this morning. Frankly it's disappointing.
Indeed, as indicated, I have the last update of June.
My problem is a consistency problem, some areas are blurred and others are sharp. And I think that no update will change anything, it is a hardware problem.
I place here a photograph where this is particularly noticeable. I circle the sharp areas. Seriously, the problem is obvious, right?
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Like I said previously, at first glance I didn't see a problem. If I look closely, then, yes. It depends on what you are planning to do with the images. Most people will probably not see, nor care about the noise and over processing (which is what is causing a lack of sharpness).
If you intend to make prints any larger than 4x6, then yes it could be a problem.
It is not a problem of the camera hardware. Both the Exynos and SD S22 Ultras have the same camera hardware. The area that you circled is an area of high contrast and lighting differences. As the article I posted stated, the Exynos powered phones struggle with dynamic range, low light areas, and tend to over process the images. That is exactly what is happening in the images you provided.
Because Exynos chips have different architecture, the software is different. It's not a problem of the camera hardware, it is a problem of how the software processes the data to render the photo. Samsung has to tweak its Camera and Expert RAW apps to work better with the Exynos processor.
If you shoot with Expert RAW or in Pro mode, then process the RAW file (.dng) using Lightroom or Gimp (which is free), you will probably see an improvement.
Ultimately, it is up to you whether you like the results you are getting from the camera. As the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
blackhawk said:
The image isn't showing shooting settings.
Again... this is not the way to test lene blur. Use solid subjects that can't be move by the wind.
A lense blur chart is better.
All lens have a blur pattern that varies throughout their aperture range if any. If you got a bad copy, return it.
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I know that engineers don't set up cameras by taking nature shots. But I don't work at Samsung, I'm not an optician, I don't have all the tools to clearly establish the problem. I'm just trying to describe it to you.
Yes I think I have a defective phone, and it's not that easy to walk into a Samsung service center and tell them: replace this phone because it's defective!
And if I take pictures of grass trees it's because it's the easiest thing to take a picture of. This is what contains the most details to help define where the sharp and blurred areas are. But this problem has nothing to do with "motion blur"!
gernerttl said:
Like I said previously, at first glance I didn't see a problem. If I look closely, then, yes. It depends on what you are planning to do with the images. Most people will probably not see, nor care about the noise and over processing (which is what is causing a lack of sharpness).
If you intend to make prints any larger than 4x6, then yes it could be a problem.
It is not a problem of the camera hardware. Both the Exynos and SD S22 Ultras have the same camera hardware. The area that you circled is an area of high contrast and lighting differences. As the article I posted stated, the Exynos powered phones struggle with dynamic range, low light areas, and tend to over process the images. That is exactly what is happening in the images you provided.
Because Exynos chips have different architecture, the software is different. It's not a problem of the camera hardware, it is a problem of how the software processes the data to render the photo. Samsung has to tweak its Camera and Expert RAW apps to work better with the Exynos processor.
If you shoot with Expert RAW or in Pro mode, then process the RAW file (.dng) using Lightroom or Gimp (which is free), you will probably see an improvement.
Ultimately, it is up to you whether you like the results you are getting from the camera. As the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
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I bought this phone as the flagship phone from Samsung. They do a large advertising campaign around the performance of the camera. I take a lot of pictures and videos with my phones, and I have never encountered such poor quality. I know that the software part is not perfect and will get better with updates.
For me it is a hardware problem because I took the same pictures by rotating the phone 180° and the sharp and blurred areas were also rotated 180°, regardless of any other change in brightness or contrast. Moreover these "areas" are also present in the DNG files outside of any post processing.
ribariba said:
I know that engineers don't set up cameras by taking nature shots. But I don't work at Samsung, I'm not an optician, I don't have all the tools to clearly establish the problem. I'm just trying to describe it to you.
Yes I think I have a defective phone, and it's not that easy to walk into a Samsung service center and tell them: replace this phone because it's defective!
And if I take pictures of grass trees it's because it's the easiest thing to take a picture of. This is what contains the most details to help define where the sharp and blurred areas are. But this problem has nothing to do with "motion blur"!
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Download and use a blur chart. You need flat target surface.
Where is the AF lockon at?!! That's important.
AF lock on dead center of the blur chart.
If you want accurate results, at least try to do it right. You need good documentation especially if sending it in for repair.
Photography is filled with learning curves, no one knows everything, but the more you know the better. Plenty of Pro Shooter that are sharing their hard earned craft skills for free on various websites.
If within it's return period, do it. Getting Samsung to repair it will be tedious... you are now experiencing some of this.
ribariba said:
I bought this phone as the flagship phone from Samsung. They do a large advertising campaign around the performance of the camera. I take a lot of pictures and videos with my phones, and I have never encountered such poor quality. I know that the software part is not perfect and will get better with updates.
For me it is a hardware problem because I took the same pictures by rotating the phone 180° and the sharp and blurred areas were also rotated 180°, regardless of any other change in brightness or contrast. Moreover these "areas" are also present in the DNG files outside of any post processing.
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Did you read the article I posted about the differences between the SD and Exynos models? Camera orientation is irrelevant.
The camera hardware is not the problem. It is the processing after image capture that is causing the issues. The problems you point out are all in areas where there is significant lighting differences.
RAW image capture and post processing will reduce the issues; it won't completely alleviate them.
At any rate, if you are that dissatisfied with your phone, then return it.
gernerttl said:
Did you read the article I posted about the differences between the SD and Exynos models? Camera orientation is irrelevant.
The camera hardware is not the problem. It is the processing after image capture that is causing the issues.
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Have you read his description:
ribariba said:
For me it is a hardware problem because I took the same pictures by rotating the phone 180° and the sharp and blurred areas were also rotated 180°...
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If the affected areas rotate, when the hardware is rotated, the effect is caused by hardware. It might be more or less visible depending on sharping algorithms, but I would not wait for software updates or hope to get better lenses in a Snapdragon variant. It is some kind of lottery, usually the more the bigger the sensors are if the rest of the hardware keeps its size.
blackhawk said:
If within it's return period, do it. Getting Samsung to repair it will be tedious... you are now experiencing some of this.
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Do so!
I am getting this kind of pic in nightmode on ultrawide lens in some cases, don't know what is the issue but it doesn't happen in normal low light shot or shot in expert raw app for the same scenes,can anyone help
Being a high end phone i find this unacceptable, for example the 11U constantly takes 25MB dng, while the 12SU is around 6-8, knowing the resolving ability of this great sensor and more then decent lens, i'm pretty sure there is some information loss in the process, what was Xiaomi thinking into doing this on super high end camera hardware?
Any way to solve this, or contact Xiaomi to suggest to add option to turn reduce compression? is there any Xiaomi member from the dev team on XDA?
dazed1 said:
Being a high end phone i find this unacceptable, for example the 11U constantly takes 25MB dng, while the 12SU is around 6-8, knowing the resolving ability of this great sensor and more then decent lens, i'm pretty sure there is some information loss in the process, what was Xiaomi thinking into doing this on super high end camera hardware?
Any way to solve this, or contact Xiaomi to suggest to add option to turn reduce compression? is there any Xiaomi member from the dev team on XDA?
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12su's dng works for 12mp. thus averaging 6-8mb
12su's 50mp mode in stock photo app results 25mb jpeg.
you can check yourself a resolution difference.
maybe a software glitch to be fixed.
Nabicook said:
12su's dng works for 12mp. thus averaging 6-8mb
12su's 50mp mode in stock photo app results 25mb jpeg.
you can check yourself a resolution difference.
maybe a software glitch to be fixed.
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Yes i talked about 12MP, 11U 12MP is 25
dazed1 said:
Yes i talked about 12MP, 11U 12MP is 25
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oh really? now that is indeed strange
This phone have this lossless compression of DNG (and JPEG compressed), you could disable that by change the default prop from 1 to 0
Code:
persist.sys.dng.compression.enable=1
I havent test that, may not affect the compression at all. Try on your own