Hello
I have a Pixel3a and I just really love it and dont wanna buy this year a new phone, but security updates are also really important for me bc I do a lot stuff on my phone like banking and so on. So my question is: Is there any custom rom which I can flash on my Pixel3a to still get security updates? Or do I have to really buy a new phone?
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Kim
Lineage os but you have to root and flash safetynet fix or something like that.
Pixel experience works with banking applications out of the box i think
ok so if I would flash lineageos or pixel experience I would still get security updates even if google doesnt support the pixel 3a anymore?
yes they add new android system seciurity updates, but probably not hardware seciuryty updates
As of a few months ago, PixelExperience definitely was pushing out Android updates for the 3a. (I was running it on my 3a then, but I no longer have that phone.) But now there's a "no longer maintained" warning on their page for the 3a. Their latest ROM for the 3a is from 2022-08-11.
Weirdly, PixelExperience claims to still support the Pixel 2, 3, and 4a, but the 3a, 4a5g, 5, and 5a are all listed as "discontinued". That must have happened recently, because their latest build for every one of those phones is still dated c. 2022-08-11. You could try asking PixelBoot, as he's the PixelExperience maintainer for most of those phones, and is an active user here on XDA.
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Does it mean it will be easy to compile AOSP, so that the original Pixel can get essentially stock OS updates for years, and get them quickly, eliminating an advantage of the Pixel 2? Pixel 2 is to get three years of OS updates, compared to only one more year of official OS updates for the Pixel.
Will it really make OS development much easier?
foosion said:
Does it mean it will be easy to compile AOSP, so that the original Pixel can get essentially stock OS updates for years, and get them quickly, eliminating an advantage of the Pixel 2? Pixel 2 is to get three years of OS updates, compared to only one more year of official OS updates for the Pixel.
Will it really make OS development much easier?
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There's no reason to believe the Pixel 2 firmware will have any compatibility with pixel 1
sd_shadow said:
There's no reason to believe the Pixel 2 firmware will have any compatibility with pixel 1
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I had thought the idea of Treble was to present a standard interface between hardware and the OS, to separate the device-specific, lower-level software written in large part by the silicon manufacturers from the OS.
"Malchev says that Treble standardizes Android hardware support to such a degree that generic Android builds compiled from AOSP can boot and run on every Treble device. In fact, these “raw AOSP” builds are what will be used for some of the CTS testing Google requires all Android OEMs to pass in order to license the Google apps—it’s not just that things should work, they are required to work." https://www.xda-developers.com/project-treble-custom-rom-development/
Doesn't that mean someone can just compile the latest AOSP build and it will run on a Treble Pixel 1? Don't the current Nexus and Pixel phones essentially run AOSP, but have to be modified to work with the specific hardware, modifications that won't be necessary with Treble?
Or is this the issue: "You won’t be able to boot up flawlessly-working generic Android 9.0 builds on your Treble device just yet, though – device trees and kernels will still require being worked on."
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I had thought the idea of Treble was to present a standard interface between hardware and the OS, to separate the device-specific, lower-level software written in large part by the silicon manufacturers from the OS.
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that's the general idea, but afaict, it's not there yet and not for the pixel 1
foosion said:
"Malchev says that Treble standardizes Android hardware support to such a degree that generic Android builds compiled from AOSP can boot and run on every Treble device. In fact, these “raw AOSP” builds are what will be used for some of the CTS testing Google requires all Android OEMs to pass in order to license the Google apps—it’s not just that things should work, they are required to work." https://www.xda-developers.com/project-treble-custom-rom-development/
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I didn't read your link, but I did watch the linaro talk from a week or two ago about... The vendor test suite (VTS), is to be used to have aosp be bootable on XYZ SOC, as the idea is to keep all of the vendor blobs outside of aosp / the core of android.... in practice though, even with the pixel, it still isn't 100% like that. ROMs like LOS are still pulling vendor blobs and baking them into their build system....
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Doesn't that mean someone can just compile the latest AOSP build and it will run on a Treble Pixel 1? Don't the current Nexus and Pixel phones essentially run AOSP, but have to be modified to work with the specific hardware, modifications that won't be necessary with Treble?
Or is this the issue: "You won’t be able to boot up flawlessly-working generic Android 9.0 builds on your Treble device just yet, though – device trees and kernels will still require being worked on."
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who knows about android 9.0, but it doesn't work for Oreo and the pixel 1... Nexus and Pixel run aosp with a bunch of Google's tweaks from their own internal android tree + all of the google services and apps... I'm sure there is a reasonably sized set of patches / Delta between aosp and Google's own builds.... but obviously, google provides a very 'vanilla' version of android.
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Pixel 2 is to get three years of OS updates, compared to only one more year of official OS updates for the Pixel.
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Independent of the discussion here regarding Treble, the original Pixel is getting updates for the same duration (from release) as the Pixel 2.
Both devices will get 2 years of Android version updates, and another year of security updates.
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705
The original Pixel will get android version updates through October 2018, and security updates through October 2019. The Pixel 2 will get updates for one year longer simply because it was released one year later, but no additional promises have been made for the Pixel 2.
Fairly sure Pixel 2 is getting 3 years of OS updates which is probably a result of Treble. Google want to show off how easy updates are now so it wouldn't be good if they drop support after 2 years still.
As for the first gen Pixel, I don't believe our devices support Treble.
Edit: sorry, looks like first gen Pixel does support Treble. My bad.
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Fairly sure Pixel 2 is getting 3 years of OS updates which is probably a result of Treble. Google want to show off how easy updates are now so it wouldn't be good if they drop support after 2 years still.
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I'd love it if Google extended the support period for their devices. And I could be wrong, but I'm basing stuff from this page:
https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_2_specs
Under the "Safe and Secure" section, they state "Security updates for up to 3 years".
Farther down on the page, in the tech specs section, they say:
"Minimum 3 years of OS and security updates" and "Pixel’s software and security updates for three years. See website for details." And the website reference is the FAQ page that I linked to above. That page states:
"Pixel phones get Android version updates for at least 2 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store. After 2 years, we can't guarantee more updates." and "Pixel phones get security updates for at least 3 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store, or at least 18 months from when the Google Store last sold the device, whichever is longer. After that, we can't guarantee more updates."
Again, it'd be great to see these phones official support period be extended. But from what I can tell, Google is sticking to 2 years of OS updates + another 1 year of security updates. Even with Treble support.
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I'd love it if Google extended the support period for their devices. And I could be wrong, but I'm basing stuff from this page:
https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_2_specs
Under the "Safe and Secure" section, they state "Security updates for up to 3 years".
Farther down on the page, in the tech specs section, they say:
"Minimum 3 years of OS and security updates" and "Pixel’s software and security updates for three years. See website for details." And the website reference is the FAQ page that I linked to above. That page states:
"Pixel phones get Android version updates for at least 2 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store. After 2 years, we can't guarantee more updates." and "Pixel phones get security updates for at least 3 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store, or at least 18 months from when the Google Store last sold the device, whichever is longer. After that, we can't guarantee more updates."
Again, it'd be great to see these phones official support period be extended. But from what I can tell, Google is sticking to 2 years of OS updates + another 1 year of security updates. Even with Treble support.
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I take your point. I was hoping they just hadn't updated the support page as it doesn't list the Pixel 2 yet. But you may be right.... the tech specs section is badly worded and may be misleading.
Coming from the Nexus 5x and there are many Oreo roms..so i was wondering why there ist noch Oreo Rom for the Pixel..? And dont get me wrong..i have no problem with that..Just wonderering
With Kind regards
Ah..OK..after some reading..the first step is not really good finished yet..custom Recovery and root.
Wow..never was thinking that root and other stuff will be so complicated as on an iPhone to get it Jailbreaked
Are we in the point that google want that we just use our phones..?
Then we dont need sources and others...
..sorry..but i must write it down here..and hope to get some answers..
.. because the way to get all things done..from the HTC desire (bravo with Android 1-2) till the Nexus 5x and Samsung s6 was always the same..and now this..
I have for sure some Experience to look behind some curtain..but atm i am a bit frustrated
Root is no problem, fastboot boot to TWRP and install it.
This phone is much more challenging than other handsets due to the fact Google has implemented dual booting partitions. It also seems they aren't as interested in the developer community now that they are making their own phones and not just putting out an OS for Android. So, this handset isn't as friendly for devs, except for those who are really into masochistic behavior (self punishment). If you're looking for a really robust developer community you probably should stick to Samsung or a few other manufacturers and avoid Google for the foreseeable future.
Just my thoughts.
Really unbelievable that there are no ROMs due to those issues.
Will sell my Pixel and keep my Nexus 6P
I'm thinking of selling my pixel and getting a oneplus 5, or waiting to see how the modding scene evolves for the razor phone.
Truly disappointed the pixel line didn't follow on from nexus devices.
I will do so.
Got my pixel used and defective, Google will replace it for free so I will be able to sell it as new.
Would it be possible to install substratum and xposed framework?
Thought of getting nexus 6p,but bought the pixel thinking that it would get more development..
now I'm regretting that decision..?
I would of thought there would be possibly some way of reformatting the partition size or even changing partitions completely
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I would of thought there would be possibly some way of reformatting the partition size or even changing partitions completely
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for that ..S-off is needed..but a great idea through
Really funny how things have changed. It wasn't that long ago that if you wanted a phone that was easy to root, and had tons of developers, with tons of ROM options, you got a Nexus. Now that the Pixels are here, it's just the opposite.
The only saving grace is Google will continue supporting the pixel until October 2019 so I'm not going to be stranded with a phone I can't update.
Got the XL as a warranty replacement for my almost 2 year old 6P that had battery dying issues.
I do like the XL, have it rooted with Magisk, just waiting for Pure Nexus. If revo gets Xposed working Oreo, may not go custom rom at all.
Not many things the phone can't do that requires custom
bootloader unlock and custom kernel if required for some tweaks, however
pure android is actually freaking lovely
is any other device on oreo? let alone 8.1 (if you have beta)
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Not many things the phone can't do that requires custom
bootloader unlock and custom kernel if required for some tweaks, however
pure android is actually freaking lovely
is any other device on oreo? let alone 8.1 (if you have beta)
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Quite a few devices are getting both official and unofficial 8.0 updates. As far as 8.1 I'm pretty sure it's still in beta so it's only available for the Google family of devices as there is no way to look into the source of the beta and try to compile it for other phones.
There are more issues than the A/B partition scheme that these phones have:
1) They are extremely expensive so there were not too many people who bought them in the first place
2) There are a lot of people and devs who have sold their Pixels for Pixel 2's
3) Project Treble which sounded like a good idea has actually caused more problems for this phone for custom development, which did not affect any Nexus models. All the kinks related to this need to be worked out too as it is a new issue as of Oreo
You will see some rom action in the foreseeable future though
hardslog said:
There are more issues than the A/B partition scheme that these phones have:
1) They are extremely expensive so there were not too many people who bought them in the first place
2) There are a lot of people and devs who have sold their Pixels for Pixel 2's
3) Project Treble which sounded like a good idea has actually caused more problems for this phone for custom development, which did not affect any Nexus models. All the kinks related to this need to be worked out too as it is a new issue as of Oreo
You will see some rom action in the foreseeable future though
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Can you share a link where I can find the OMNIROM you are actually runningp please ?
Thank you !
vlucchetti said:
Got the XL as a warranty replacement for my almost 2 year old 6P that had battery dying issues.
I do like the XL, have it rooted with Magisk, just waiting for Pure Nexus. If revo gets Xposed working Oreo, may not go custom rom at all.
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How would you rate the Pixel against the Nexus 6P?
Is it worth the upgrade?
I got a broken 6P for 80€ and a broken Pixel for 180€
Both were replaced (Nexus against Nexus, cause it was bought from 3rd party and not Google).
Nexus would sell for 250€, Pixel for 400€
Sui77 said:
How would you rate the Pixel against the Nexus 6P?
Is it worth the upgrade?
I got a broken 6P for 80€ and a broken Pixel for 180€
Both were replaced (Nexus against Nexus, cause it was bought from 3rd party and not Google).
Nexus would sell for 250€, Pixel for 400€
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I miss my 6P, thought it was an awesome phone but the battery issue SOT of 2 hours after 2 years was killing me. Got the XL as a warranty replacement for virtually nothing, so it was a win-win.
Once the custom roms roll out, it will rival or exceed the 6P, I have no doubt.
"HMD Global has announced the rollout of Android 10 for the Nokia 8.1, making it the first Nokia smartphone to get a stable build of the latest version of Android."
https://m.gsmarena.com/nokia_8_1_android_10_update-news-39549.php
Is this good news for any Android One phone, or Android One project, or is it a matter of manufacturers that build the phones, maybe this could have good effect on development of Android 10 for A2 Lite ?
Nokia always gave timely updates to their devices, this matter doesn't really have any effect on other androidone devices. Nokia also adds other features to their phones (they're all androidone afaik), like round ui, pixel blue accent color and cam2api. As far as updates go, xiaomi isn't that good with their androidone phones, so don't get your hopes up and get frustrated afterwards. I would love to have Android 10 soon but, I know it's not gonna happen. Cheers.
its strictly related to nokia, this. the fact that they will push it sooner then xiaomi means nothing to us. it all depends on Xiaomi when they will start working for it, and when will they release... nokia is known for being faster to update then xiaomi thats for sure. so just sit and wait
...or, you could install unofficial android 10, there is a good GSI version here on xda which works fairly well.
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Nokia always gave timely updates to their devices, this matter doesn't really have any effect on other androidone devices. Nokia also adds other features to their phones (they're all androidone afaik), like round ui, pixel blue accent color and cam2api. As far as updates go, xiaomi isn't that good with their androidone phones, so don't get your hopes up and get frustrated afterwards. I would love to have Android 10 soon but, I know it's not gonna happen. Cheers.
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My brother is using a Nokia 7 plus and I had Android 9 weeks before him and even with security updates Nokia isn't faster all the time compared to Xiaomi.
I've never managed to get any kind of custom rom working through TWRP because of the kinstalldeviceopenerror.
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My brother is using a Nokia 7 plus and I had Android 9 weeks before him and even with security updates Nokia isn't faster all the time compared to Xiaomi.
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Okay let me ask this, do you consider the Pie update we got as stable? Because I still think that we never got a stable build of Pie from Xiaomi. I can't even update to September update because it breaks the digitizer for me and I can't even use the screen properly. I have no idea how stable is Nokia's version of Pie but maybe you can enlighten us about that.
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Okay let me ask this, do you consider the Pie update we got as stable? Because I still think that we never got a stable build of Pie from Xiaomi. I can't even update to September update because it breaks the digitizer for me and I can't even use the screen properly. I have no idea how stable is Nokia's version of Pie but maybe you can enlighten us about that.
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In my eyes our Android Pie is very stable. I never had to reboot my device due to system instability bugs. The worst one I ever had was the screen rotate flash bug. My battery backup after one year of usage is still superb, usually I get 7 hours of screentime within 5-6 days of usage. Most reported bugs appear to be on devices which had installed custom firmware and messed up vendor partitions.
The only thing I dislike on this device is the low headphone sound volume while using a European Union display language. I'm just using U.S. English to fix that.
I don't know about bugs in Nokia phones, my brother never told me about anything special and I can't check his phone because he's in England and I'm in Germany.
Any news for Android 10 update?
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Any news for Android 10 update?
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Nothing official, but I think q1/2020 would be a good guess.
Last year Mi A1 got the Android 9 update on the 23rd of december.
My guess is Mi A2 Lite will get Android 10 in late december.
Hi guys,
i know Oneplus gives us three year of support.
I'm considerung to buy a OnePlus 7 Pro because my current sony smartphone haven't a good update Situation atm.
But i take care that i get fast Android Security Patches so i want to ask how OnePlus stands regarding this topic.
Do they offer the monthly security patches for every month and make them almost available at the same time as Google publish them?
Whats your experiences?
Almost available is the key word...it usually lands within weeks of Google's publish date...But why would you buy a OP7Pro now when it's already outdated by OP7TPro?
Just don't go for a 5G device currently would be my advice. Currently no sign of android 10, beta programme or even any communication from OnePlus about this update. You'd have thought they hadn't even produced the device the way they are ignoring owners.
Thanks at both of you.
No worry a 5g phone isn't a option für me because 5g is still in a very early state and LTE is more than enough for me.
The reason why i consider the OnePlus 7 pro over the t version are the many custom roms for that device. And they are mostly GApps free.
Personally i avoid the usage of every rom with preinstalled Google Apps and Services because of privacy reasons.
Hey,
I love my Pixel 2 and I have now received the last official Google update, running Android 11.
My question is what is the risk if I stick with my end of life official android version on my Android 11?
I've got no real urge to move to Lineage OS, especially as it's currently only up to android 10 for the Pixel 2 (Thanks to those guys still doing the development, I don't mean to belittle their efforts).
I don't really understand if there's a huge security risk involved in keeping my phone going as long as possible without further Official updates. I've changed the battery and charging port on the phone and it runs like new. I also enjoy the Android 11 features. Do you expect that Lineage will continue to Android 11 for the Pixel 2?
Thanks in Advance
DantonFerntash said:
Hey,
I love my Pixel 2 and I have now received the last official Google update, running Android 11.
My question is what is the risk if I stick with my end of life official android version on my Android 11?
I've got no real urge to move to Lineage OS, especially as it's currently only up to android 10 for the Pixel 2 (Thanks to those guys still doing the development, I don't mean to belittle their efforts).
I don't really understand if there's a huge security risk involved in keeping my phone going as long as possible without further Official updates. I've changed the battery and charging port on the phone and it runs like new. I also enjoy the Android 11 features. Do you expect that Lineage will continue to Android 11 for the Pixel 2?
Thanks in Advance
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The risk is probably small, but since we're no longer getting basic Android security updates, technically those vulnerabilities could be used to hack your phone.
What does your Pixel 2 say under Settings -> About Phone -> Android version (tap on it)?
Mine is showing:
Android version
11
Android security update
October 5, 2020
Google Play system update
December 1, 2020
Kernel version
4.4.223-ElementalX-P2-4.09
Build number
RP1A.201005.004.A1
Shouldn't the security update also be December? I'm curious if yours shows December for everything.