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Question Absolutely looking forward to Adaptive Pixel Tech

This might be the year Samsung actually leaps Google in photo quality
The Samsung Galaxy S22 is here at last and with it comes a brand new way to take photos that should finally eclipse Google's Pixel camera quality.
www.androidcentral.com
With Adaptive Pixel technology, Samsung is using both multi-frame capture and pixel-binning, as well as a third brand new concept: adding in the raw 50MP or 108MP image — that's the difference between the Galaxy S22/22+ and the S22 Ultra — to the final product to bring fine detail back to the image.
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What we've been shown of Adaptive Pixel so far is stunning. Essentially, by taking the bright 12MP photo and combining it with the detailed — and more naturally-lit — higher resolution photo, the Galaxy S22 should deliver not only more detailed photos in any lighting condition, but also ones that are correctly lit.
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Thanks for posting this. Something to look forward to while we're waiting and hope the upcoming reviews after the embargo will confirm this.

There doesn't seem to be an embargo this time first reviews already shared on YouTube

Some more praises from TechRadar.
The Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra's zoom capabilities are blowing us away

The zoom images and the advanced edge detection for portrait is absolutely stunning. Check out the fur on the dog around 1:35 mark.

Timestamped video of the clear night and day difference between a regular 12mp shot and one with adaptive pixels. Night and day difference.

Question S22 Ultra Weak HDR Effect

Hey Folks,
Not sure if you guys have noticed.
I don't have my old S21 Ultra with me anymore. But I have seen a similar thread on Samsung Member too. The OP had a S21 Ultra with S22U side by side.
So based on my memory, I found the HDR effect under YouTube and Netflix is considerably weaker as compared with S21U. Colour is less popping and vivid.
Could you guys please also post your findings here?
I am using the SG Gen 1 version.
Cheers

akira888 said:
Hey Folks,
Not sure if you guys have noticed.
I don't have my old S21 Ultra with me anymore. But I have seen a similar thread on Samsung Member too. The OP had a S21 Ultra with S22U side by side.
So based on my memory, I found the HDR effect under YouTube and Netflix is considerably weaker as compared with S21U. Colour is less popping and vivid.
Could you guys please also post your findings here?
I am using the SG Gen 1 version.
Cheers
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You got your screen on normal or Vivid? I just watched this video at 2k HDR and it looked pretty good to me? How's it look for you?

akira888 said:
Hey Folks,
Not sure if you guys have noticed.
I don't have my old S21 Ultra with me anymore. But I have seen a similar thread on Samsung Member too. The OP had a S21 Ultra with S22U side by side.
So based on my memory, I found the HDR effect under YouTube and Netflix is considerably weaker as compared with S21U. Colour is less popping and vivid.
Could you guys please also post your findings here?
I am using the SG Gen 1 version.
Cheers
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Yes. Just watched one. It looks the same as is did on my previous phone (Pixel 6 Pro).
It seems that Samsung is no longer jacking the screen brightness to 100% for HDR content, so it doesn't look nearly as vivid as before. Maybe it's a YouTube issue though, as my Pixel was the same way

Paul_Deemer said:
You got your screen on normal or Vivid? I just watched this video at 2k HDR and it looked pretty good to me? How's it look for you?
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I got it on Vivid.
I think HDR is enabled. But not as strong as S21U. The effect looks to be tuned down by Samsung not sure if on purpose. On S21U, screen can become so bright and colour is more popping. If I were to rate S21U' HDR effect on 10, S22U is on 6 at most.

Yes.. i noticed hdr10 playback issue on my s22 ultra. Movies and videos look dull and less brightness.
I even compared it with my s20 plus side by side.
My 2 year old s20 plus looks stunning and easily beats my s22 ultra.
Hope samsung will fix this bug.
I am highly disappointed with my s22 ultra now.

Hey folks,
I think HDR is definitely enabled but I tend to believe that Samsung has tuned down the contrast and vibrancy, or maybe brightness.

akira888 said:
Hey folks,
I think HDR is definitely enabled but I tend to believe that Samsung has tuned down the contrast and vibrancy, or maybe brightness.
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A couple of questions:
1. Did you have your screen mode set to vivid?
2. Did you have adaptive brightness off and extra brightness turned on?
3. Did you have max resolution set?
4. Video brightness set to bright?
Not sure if there is any setting related to HDR?
Video looks fantastic on my s22 ultra.

Rubby1025 said:
A couple of questions:
1. Did you have your screen mode set to vivid?
2. Did you have adaptive brightness off and extra brightness turned on?
3. Did you have max resolution set?
4. Video brightness set to bright?
Not sure if there is any setting related to HDR?
Video looks fantastic on my s22 ultra.
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1. Vivid
2. Adaptive brightness on
3. Qwhd
4. Yes
Thanks for the thoughts. I used the above same settings on my s21U and and S22U.
Will try to disable the adaptive brightness to see the change in effect.

akira888 said:
1. Vivid
2. Adaptive brightness on
3. Qwhd
4. Yes
Thanks for the thoughts. I used the above same settings on my s21U and and S22U.
Will try to disable the adaptive brightness to see the change in effect.
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If you had adaptive brightness on then you did not have max brightness turned on. You are not shown the option to max out brightness until you turn off adaptive brightness thx.

I am having the same issue with hdr10 video playback. It looks dull and very low brightness.
This can be seen when you compare s22 ultra side by side with other phones like s20 and s21 series phones.
This is major flaw , you cant see this until you see it side by side comparison.

akira888 said:
Hey Folks,
Not sure if you guys have noticed.
I don't have my old S21 Ultra with me anymore. But I have seen a similar thread on Samsung Member too. The OP had a S21 Ultra with S22U side by side.
So based on my memory, I found the HDR effect under YouTube and Netflix is considerably weaker as compared with S21U. Colour is less popping and vivid.
Could you guys please also post your findings here?
I am using the SG Gen 1 version.
Cheers
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I am getting the same issue bro.. have you find any solution for this. Hdr playback looks dull on my s22 ultra. Hope samsung will fix this..

Rubby1025 said:
If you had adaptive brightness on then you did not have max brightness turned on. You are not shown the option to max out brightness until you turn off adaptive brightness thx.
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HDR does not work on S22 Ultra, that's it, or maybe very bad. My S20+ did way better, I tried every options.

Try this?

Still doesn't work
You can see a lot of tech youtubers complain about this. Everything super bright but not HDR videos...

akira888 said:
Hey Folks,
Not sure if you guys have noticed.
I don't have my old S21 Ultra with me anymore. But I have seen a similar thread on Samsung Member too. The OP had a S21 Ultra with S22U side by side.
So based on my memory, I found the HDR effect under YouTube and Netflix is considerably weaker as compared with S21U. Colour is less popping and vivid.
Could you guys please also post your findings here?
I am using the SG Gen 1 version.
Cheers
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Their is a setting to increase video brightness, I stumbled across it tonight but not tested yet, maybe this will help.
Edit, ignore me didn't read the replies before I posted.

rosso22 said:
Their is a setting to increase video brightness, I stumbled across it tonight but not tested yet, maybe this will help.
Edit, ignore me didn't read the replies before I posted.
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There are actually several brightness settings in different menus and can be easily missed.

Question Is it normal or not ?

Hello everybody,
I just bought a used S22 ultra wich is in mint condition. But i immediatly see that picture quality was ... BAD. Especially with the main lens. I got blurry areas accros the pic, strong artifacts and noise. I took the same pic with my old S20, and the quality is better !!
I just want to ask you what you think. Is there a problem or not?
I already did a factory reset... but it does not help.
Seriously, the quality is bad, the grass at the bottom and relatively blurry on the s22 while on the s20 the quality is consistent.
As well as the whole left side of the picture.
Thanks for you feed back.

Poor test subject. Try a picket fence or brick house instead. Something the wind can't move.

ribariba said:
Hello everybody,
I just bought a used S22 ultra wich is in mint condition. But i immediatly see that picture quality was ... BAD. Especially with the main lens. I got blurry areas accros the pic, strong artifacts and noise. I took the same pic with my old S20, and the quality is better !!
I just want to ask you what you think. Is there a problem or not?
I already did a factory reset... but it does not help.
Seriously, the quality is bad, the grass at the bottom and relatively blurry on the s22 while on the s20 the quality is consistent.
As well as the whole left side of the picture.
Thanks for you feed back.
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You said that it is used. Did you buy it from somebody directly or from a store?
What camera mode were you using? If you haven't already , download and install Expert RAW from the Galaxy Store.
I'll take a few and upload so we can compare.

Here are a few shots to compare.
The first pair were taken with the camera in Photo Mode
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The second pair were taken with the camera in Pro Mode
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The third pair were taken using Expert RAW
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blackhawk said:
Poor test subject. Try a picket fence or brick house instead. Something the wind can't move.
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I didn't know that the S22 ultra was only capable of capturing still subjects. However, I obviously compared several photographs and not only this one. This is an example.

gernerttl said:
Here are a few shots to compare.
The first pair were taken with the camera in Photo Mode
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The second pair were taken with the camera in Pro Mode
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The third pair were taken using Expert RAW
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Ok. Thank you for your photographs. I can still see that yours seem more homogeneous and consistent in terms of quality than mine.
I tried with the "pro" mode as well as with "Expert Raw", there is a minimal difference.
On the other hand, I should perhaps specify that I use an S22 ultra with the EXYNOS chip and not SNAPDRAGON. What about you?
So according to you, it is not obvious that there is a problem?

ribariba said:
Ok. Thank you for your photographs. I can still see that yours seem more homogeneous and consistent in terms of quality than mine.
I tried with the "pro" mode as well as with "Expert Raw", there is a minimal difference.
On the other hand, I should perhaps specify that I use an S22 ultra with the EXYNOS chip and not SNAPDRAGON. What about you?
So according to you, it is not obvious that there is a problem?
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At first glance, not really. If I zoom in enough, then yes.
The S22 Ultra is a really good phone. Ultimately, it is your decision whether you are happy with it. Keep in mind that Samsung sends out monthly updates. It's not uncommon for it to update the camera during these updates. I received updates for the Camera and Expert RAW apps. Also, Android 13 work OneUI 5 will be released later this year or early next year. That will come with camera improvements.
I have the S22 Ultra Snap Dragon. There are some differences with the cameras.
S22 Ultra Snapdragon vs Exynos: do you really get different cameras?
The Galaxy S22 Ultra might be the best camera phone around, but... which model are you exactly talking about? The Snapdragon US version actually captures different photos than the Exynos model in the rest of the world...
www.phonearena.com
I'm not sure if it's enough to worry about. I think it's more of a software processing difference rather than a hardware difference.

ribariba said:
I didn't know that the S22 ultra was only capable of capturing still subjects. However, I obviously compared several photographs and not only this one. This is an example.
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Motion blurring from the wind...
Straight high contrast lines instead of rocks
Faces with AF lock on closest eye. Skin tone should be true; leaves don't show this.

ribariba said:
Ok. Thank you for your photographs. I can still see that yours seem more homogeneous and consistent in terms of quality than mine.
I tried with the "pro" mode as well as with "Expert Raw", there is a minimal difference.
On the other hand, I should perhaps specify that I use an S22 ultra with the EXYNOS chip and not SNAPDRAGON. What about you?
So according to you, it is not obvious that there is a problem?
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Speaking of updates. Have you gotten the latest update?
Galaxy S22 series gets camera improvements with latest software update
The Galaxy S22 series latest software update (June) brings hidden camera improvements!
www.phonearena.com
Part of it was an update for the camera and fixes some of the issues you are experiencing.

ribariba said:
I just want to ask you what you think. Is there a problem or not?
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I would say maybe.
Most of the users would not care or see what you have identified, but I do agree it does not look ok for a >$1000 camera phone.
Some variation in lens quality or (mis)alignment is normal and it depends on you if you accept it or replace it. Be aware that this phone has 5 single cameras, so if you exchange the phone, one camera might be better, but others might be worse. On the other hand, it is the main camera, you identified it and now never will be happy, so I think you should take into account to try to exchange it.
Please share some more comparisons to make it more clear how significant this issue is.
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Speaking of updates. Have you gotten the latest update?
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In his example picture the AVF1 is listed.

Thank you all for your answers and opinions.
I took several "test photos" this morning. Frankly it's disappointing.
Indeed, as indicated, I have the last update of June.
My problem is a consistency problem, some areas are blurred and others are sharp. And I think that no update will change anything, it is a hardware problem.
I place here a photograph where this is particularly noticeable. I circle the sharp areas. Seriously, the problem is obvious, right?

I had to look few times to perceive the problem. As I'm not that interested, generally, in taking photos then to me the problem/issue is negligible. However, to you and anyone else I guess, who are more invested in taking photos then to them these imperfections are a problem

ribariba said:
Thank you all for your answers and opinions.
I took several "test photos" this morning. Frankly it's disappointing.
Indeed, as indicated, I have the last update of June.
My problem is a consistency problem, some areas are blurred and others are sharp. And I think that no update will change anything, it is a hardware problem.
I place here a photograph where this is particularly noticeable. I circle the sharp areas. Seriously, the problem is obvious, right?
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The image isn't showing shooting settings.
Again... this is not the way to test lene blur. Use solid subjects that can't be move by the wind.
A lense blur chart is better.
All lens have a blur pattern that varies throughout their aperture range if any. If you got a bad copy, return it.

ribariba said:
Thank you all for your answers and opinions.
I took several "test photos" this morning. Frankly it's disappointing.
Indeed, as indicated, I have the last update of June.
My problem is a consistency problem, some areas are blurred and others are sharp. And I think that no update will change anything, it is a hardware problem.
I place here a photograph where this is particularly noticeable. I circle the sharp areas. Seriously, the problem is obvious, right?
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Like I said previously, at first glance I didn't see a problem. If I look closely, then, yes. It depends on what you are planning to do with the images. Most people will probably not see, nor care about the noise and over processing (which is what is causing a lack of sharpness).
If you intend to make prints any larger than 4x6, then yes it could be a problem.
It is not a problem of the camera hardware. Both the Exynos and SD S22 Ultras have the same camera hardware. The area that you circled is an area of high contrast and lighting differences. As the article I posted stated, the Exynos powered phones struggle with dynamic range, low light areas, and tend to over process the images. That is exactly what is happening in the images you provided.
Because Exynos chips have different architecture, the software is different. It's not a problem of the camera hardware, it is a problem of how the software processes the data to render the photo. Samsung has to tweak its Camera and Expert RAW apps to work better with the Exynos processor.
If you shoot with Expert RAW or in Pro mode, then process the RAW file (.dng) using Lightroom or Gimp (which is free), you will probably see an improvement.
Ultimately, it is up to you whether you like the results you are getting from the camera. As the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

blackhawk said:
The image isn't showing shooting settings.
Again... this is not the way to test lene blur. Use solid subjects that can't be move by the wind.
A lense blur chart is better.
All lens have a blur pattern that varies throughout their aperture range if any. If you got a bad copy, return it.
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I know that engineers don't set up cameras by taking nature shots. But I don't work at Samsung, I'm not an optician, I don't have all the tools to clearly establish the problem. I'm just trying to describe it to you.
Yes I think I have a defective phone, and it's not that easy to walk into a Samsung service center and tell them: replace this phone because it's defective!
And if I take pictures of grass trees it's because it's the easiest thing to take a picture of. This is what contains the most details to help define where the sharp and blurred areas are. But this problem has nothing to do with "motion blur"!

gernerttl said:
Like I said previously, at first glance I didn't see a problem. If I look closely, then, yes. It depends on what you are planning to do with the images. Most people will probably not see, nor care about the noise and over processing (which is what is causing a lack of sharpness).
If you intend to make prints any larger than 4x6, then yes it could be a problem.
It is not a problem of the camera hardware. Both the Exynos and SD S22 Ultras have the same camera hardware. The area that you circled is an area of high contrast and lighting differences. As the article I posted stated, the Exynos powered phones struggle with dynamic range, low light areas, and tend to over process the images. That is exactly what is happening in the images you provided.
Because Exynos chips have different architecture, the software is different. It's not a problem of the camera hardware, it is a problem of how the software processes the data to render the photo. Samsung has to tweak its Camera and Expert RAW apps to work better with the Exynos processor.
If you shoot with Expert RAW or in Pro mode, then process the RAW file (.dng) using Lightroom or Gimp (which is free), you will probably see an improvement.
Ultimately, it is up to you whether you like the results you are getting from the camera. As the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
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I bought this phone as the flagship phone from Samsung. They do a large advertising campaign around the performance of the camera. I take a lot of pictures and videos with my phones, and I have never encountered such poor quality. I know that the software part is not perfect and will get better with updates.
For me it is a hardware problem because I took the same pictures by rotating the phone 180° and the sharp and blurred areas were also rotated 180°, regardless of any other change in brightness or contrast. Moreover these "areas" are also present in the DNG files outside of any post processing.

ribariba said:
I know that engineers don't set up cameras by taking nature shots. But I don't work at Samsung, I'm not an optician, I don't have all the tools to clearly establish the problem. I'm just trying to describe it to you.
Yes I think I have a defective phone, and it's not that easy to walk into a Samsung service center and tell them: replace this phone because it's defective!
And if I take pictures of grass trees it's because it's the easiest thing to take a picture of. This is what contains the most details to help define where the sharp and blurred areas are. But this problem has nothing to do with "motion blur"!
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Download and use a blur chart. You need flat target surface.
Where is the AF lockon at?!! That's important.
AF lock on dead center of the blur chart.
If you want accurate results, at least try to do it right. You need good documentation especially if sending it in for repair.
Photography is filled with learning curves, no one knows everything, but the more you know the better. Plenty of Pro Shooter that are sharing their hard earned craft skills for free on various websites.
If within it's return period, do it. Getting Samsung to repair it will be tedious... you are now experiencing some of this.

ribariba said:
I bought this phone as the flagship phone from Samsung. They do a large advertising campaign around the performance of the camera. I take a lot of pictures and videos with my phones, and I have never encountered such poor quality. I know that the software part is not perfect and will get better with updates.
For me it is a hardware problem because I took the same pictures by rotating the phone 180° and the sharp and blurred areas were also rotated 180°, regardless of any other change in brightness or contrast. Moreover these "areas" are also present in the DNG files outside of any post processing.
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Did you read the article I posted about the differences between the SD and Exynos models? Camera orientation is irrelevant.
The camera hardware is not the problem. It is the processing after image capture that is causing the issues. The problems you point out are all in areas where there is significant lighting differences.
RAW image capture and post processing will reduce the issues; it won't completely alleviate them.
At any rate, if you are that dissatisfied with your phone, then return it.

gernerttl said:
Did you read the article I posted about the differences between the SD and Exynos models? Camera orientation is irrelevant.
The camera hardware is not the problem. It is the processing after image capture that is causing the issues.
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Have you read his description:
ribariba said:
For me it is a hardware problem because I took the same pictures by rotating the phone 180° and the sharp and blurred areas were also rotated 180°...
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If the affected areas rotate, when the hardware is rotated, the effect is caused by hardware. It might be more or less visible depending on sharping algorithms, but I would not wait for software updates or hope to get better lenses in a Snapdragon variant. It is some kind of lottery, usually the more the bigger the sensors are if the rest of the hardware keeps its size.
blackhawk said:
If within it's return period, do it. Getting Samsung to repair it will be tedious... you are now experiencing some of this.
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Do so!

I am getting this kind of pic in nightmode on ultrawide lens in some cases, don't know what is the issue but it doesn't happen in normal low light shot or shot in expert raw app for the same scenes,can anyone help

Question Screen quality and brightness - Galaxy S22 Ultra vs Pixel 7 Pro

I just messed with the Pixel 7 pro at Best Buy before mine arrives tomorrow and I am a little alarmed at how bad the screen looks. I normalized the colors and settings on both the Pixel and my S22 Ultra and the Samsung is brighter, more readable, less dim, if that makes sense, than the Pixel. Even at low brightness when I was messing with things the Samsung had readable text. When I lowered the brightness on the Pixel it started to look just hazy and muddy. Both devices 1440p. The Pixel's auto brightness kept failing. It stuck with what I moved the slider to even after toggling the option. A reboot seemed to fix it temporaily.
Anyone who came from an S22 phone and has a Pixel now, what are your thoughts on the screen?
In terms of specs, Samsung is using a "Dynamic AMOLED 2x" panel, according to Phonearena, and the Pixel is using "LTPO AMOLED".
A side question, can you manually set your colors for text, background, etc? Or do you HAVE TO use the material you nonsense and let it pick for you? If so, anyone know if the Pixel 6 has mods available to make it more manual without using exposed?

xgerryx said:
I just messed with the Pixel 7 pro at Best Buy before mine arrives tomorrow and I am a little alarmed at how bad the screen looks. I normalized the colors and settings on both the Pixel and my S22 Ultra and the Samsung is brighter, more readable, less dim, if that makes sense, than the Pixel. Even at low brightness when I was messing with things the Samsung had readable text. When I lowered the brightness on the Pixel it started to look just hazy and muddy. Both devices 1440p. The Pixel's auto brightness kept failing. It stuck with what I moved the slider to even after toggling the option. A reboot seemed to fix it temporaily.
Anyone who came from an S22 phone and has a Pixel now, what are your thoughts on the screen?
In terms of specs, Samsung is using a "Dynamic AMOLED 2x" panel, according to Phonearena, and the Pixel is using "LTPO AMOLED".
A side question, can you manually set your colors for text, background, etc? Or do you HAVE TO use the material you nonsense and let it pick for you? If so, anyone know if the Pixel 6 has mods available to make it more manual without using exposed?
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I had a S22 for a week or so and the wife and I had a 21 Ultra for over a year and a half. Neither of us have had any readability issues with our Pixels. She has a 6 Pro and I have the 7 Pro now. The only thing I didn't care for is the hollow feeling and sound when tapping. The auto brightness is a bit more responsive on the Samsung but it works fine here. Other than that we are very happy with the switch. My advice is to try it out for yourself and ignore the kool-aid floating around. I was concerned at first too.

My pixel 7 pro arrived today. Screen is crap. Yellow tint to everything. Colour temperature doesnt seem right. Its as you say, looks muddy, drab. I'm coming from a oneplus 7 pro which has a fantastic screen. Its been reported but google havent acknowledged a problem yet.
Its really dissapointing... Has anyone else compared their pixel to another OLED phone?
Pixel 7 & 7 Pro display colors appear washed out on some units
A section of Google Pixel 7 and 7 Pro users are reporting that display colors appear washed out and whites have yellow tint.
piunikaweb.com

discophil said:
My pixel 7 pro arrived today. Screen is crap. Yellow tint to everything. Colour temperature doesnt seem right. Its as you say, looks muddy, drab. I'm coming from a oneplus 7 pro which has a fantastic screen. Its been reported but google havent acknowledged a problem yet.
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Any pictures of this yellow tint or are you just repeating what you read elsewhere?
Or did you enable night mode lol

Screen is superior to the S22 Ultra according to DXOMark and sits behind only the iPhone 14 Pro Max.
Google Pixel 7 Pro Display test - DXOMARK
We put the Google Pixel 7 Pro through our rigorous DXOMARK Display test suite to measure its performance across six criteria. In this test summary, we will break down how it fared in a variety of tests and several common use cases. Overview Key display specifications: 6.7 inches OLED (~89.6%...
www.dxomark.com
Certainly better than any screen on any phone I've ever owned but to each their own.

iRhyiku said:
Any pictures of this yellow tint or are you just repeating what you read elsewhere?
Or did you enable night mode lol
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LOL no, i dont have night mode enabled.
I know these things are subjective and what's technically correct might not be what people prefer. For instance a warmer colour temperature I think is what might actually be correct and accurate for a cinema/movies, but for general display use people I think usually prefer a cooler white over a warmer one. Like if i look at a sheet of A4 paper in daylight, it looks white as white, not with a yellow tint.
Its very difficult to photograph the difference. Human eyes are more sensitive the the difference in colour temp. However...
The one way i can think of to show the difference between a cooler (normal for most phones?) display such as my oneplue 7 pro is to take a photo of ONLY the oneplus's full white screen. I can then use photo as a custom white balance on my DSLR. So that the oneplus screen is what the camera will use as true white. Then we can see a direct comparrison against the Pixel 7 pro and see that its got a warmer/yellow colour temp/tint. I also adjusted the brightness of each phone to be the same by using the DSLR to measure the brightness.
See photo below. Untouched image on the top (oneplus on the left, pixel on the right). Then a saturation boosted image below that.
I think all google needs to do is add back the option to manually set a cooler colour temperature and also add an option to boost the saturation. I know this likely isnt "accurate"... but people like pretty colours lol and have probably got used to oversaturated OLED displays.

I personally love the display on this phone. No complaints about it.

discophil said:
LOL no, i dont have night mode enabled.
I know these things are subjective and what's technically correct might not be what people prefer. For instance a warmer colour temperature I think is what might actually be correct and accurate for a cinema/movies, but for general display use people I think usually prefer a cooler white over a warmer one. Like if i look at a sheet of A4 paper in daylight, it looks white as white, not with a yellow tint.
Its very difficult to photograph the difference. Human eyes are more sensitive the the difference in colour temp. However...
The one way i can think of to show the difference between a cooler (normal for most phones?) display such as my oneplue 7 pro is to take a photo of ONLY the oneplus's full white screen. I can then use photo as a custom white balance on my DSLR. So that the oneplus screen is what the camera will use as true white. Then we can see a direct comparrison against the Pixel 7 pro and see that its got a warmer/yellow colour temp/tint. I also adjusted the brightness of each phone to be the same by using the DSLR to measure the brightness.
See photo below. Untouched image on the top (oneplus on the left, pixel on the right). Then a saturation boosted image below that.
I think all google needs to do is add back the option to manually set a cooler colour temperature and also add an option to boost the saturation. I know this likely isnt "accurate"... but people like pretty colours lol and have probably got used to oversaturated OLED displays.
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I have my Pixel now and this is correct. The screen is like dim and drab compared to the galaxy at the same brightness level in exactly the same place. I have everything set up the same on both. 50% brightness on the Pixel doesn't look close to normal compared to 30% on the Galaxy, or what my Oneplus 8 Pro was either.
This is pretty disappointing. Still going to give it a chance for a week before I decide but this is noticeably worse.
The kicker with this is that Google provide almost zero customization, even compared to Oneplus. I am totally ok relying on mods and root, which I will be doing, but it needs to be at least possible.

Actually! This should give us the proper answer! I just read on the below link that 'A colour temperature of 6500 K is standard for ordinary PC use and for the sRGB standard'
https://www.eizo.co.uk/knowledge/monitor-expertise/color-temperature-on-an-lcd-monitor/
I've set the colour temperature on my DSLR manually to 6500K. So anything that is 6500k should look white on the photo. Again, photo below comparrison from oneplus 7 pro and pixel 7 pro with the saturation boosted image on the bottom.
The pixel is defo yellower vs 6500k standard. The oneplus is bit too blue vs 6500k. Either way... yes. the pixel has a yellow tint vs what it probably should be (given no user settings for us to be able to change the colour temp settings.

Comparing the Pixel 7 Pro side by side with the Pixel 6 Pro and S22 Ultra. The S22 Ultra is brighter and more saturated which I think looks better. The 6 Pro and 7 Pro screen both have a duller "natural" look with the 6 Pro slightly red and the 7 Pro slightly yellow, though white looks acceptable on all three. The brightness on the S22 Ultra at 40% is similar to the 7 Pro at 60% and the 6 Pro at 80%.
We need to petition Google to bring back the Saturated mode they had on previous pixels.

Unless one has a particular need for absolute color fidelity, it all comes down to what pleases. Hence discussions like this can seem pointless. For those who care about the technical analyses, however, here's a link to DxOMark's Google Pixel 7 Pro Display test. The P7P scored 153 points for Display Color. (High at 163 points was the Sony Xperia 5 IV.)
Color measurements for the Google Pixel 7 Pro are close to those of the reference target, and thanks to its color fidelity, the new device provides realistic and pleasant color rendering. The Pixel 7 Pro adapts its color gamut to image content and is uniform in color. Unlike the Apple device, however, the Pixel 7 Pro does not adapt its white point to the lighting environment.
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Curiously, however, the DxOMark table of all smartphone display scores lists the iPhone 14 Pro Max first with 149 points, immediately followed by the P7P with 149 points. The Samsung S22 Ultra is tied for tenth, with the iPhone 13, at 136 points. For some reason, DxOMark didn't score the OnePlus 7 Pro's display. DxOMark did rank its selfie camera (22nd at 113 points vs. 145 for the iPhone 14 Pro, 142 for the P7P, and 133 for the S22 Ultra).

RebDovid said:
Unless one has a particular need for absolute color fidelity, it all comes down to what pleases. Hence discussions like this can seem pointless. For those who care about the technical analyses, however, here's a link to DxOMark's Google Pixel 7 Pro Display test. The P7P scored 153 points for Display Color. (High at 163 points was the Sony Xperia 5 IV.)
Curiously, however, the DxOMark table of all smartphone display scores lists the iPhone 14 Pro Max first with 149 points, immediately followed by the P7P with 149 points. The Samsung S22 Ultra is tied for tenth, with the iPhone 13, at 136 points. For some reason, DxOMark didn't score the OnePlus 7 Pro's display. DxOMark did rank its selfie camera (22nd at 113 points vs. 145 for the iPhone 14 Pro, 142 for the P7P, and 133 for the S22 Ultra).
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All I want is a setting to manually adjust the colour temperature.
Its a stupidly simple thing to implement and I think it might already be there, just disabled from us being able to change it?
If you go to settings, make sure developer options is enabled. Then search settings for 'Color temperature' You can see theres an option for 'cool colour temperature' that shows up in the search results. But if you click it, it takes you nowhere. So its there in the dev options, its just hidden so we cant actually get to it and enable it.
Also on the on the DxOMark tests, this bit is interesting >

discophil said:
All I want is a setting to manually adjust the colour temperature.
Its a stupidly simple thing to implement and I think it might already be there, just disabled from us being able to change it?
If you go to settings, make sure developer options is enabled. Then search settings for 'Color temperature' You can see theres an option for 'cool colour temperature' that shows up in the search results. But if you click it, it takes you nowhere. So its there in the dev options, its just hidden so we cant actually get to it and enable it.
Also on the on the DxOMark tests, this bit is interesting >
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The quotation in my post includes the sentence you underlined.

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The quotation in my post includes the sentence you underlined.
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lol. So it does! When I click reply to your post , this is what I see. I was reading this as I was replying to you and that bit in the middle is missing on the reply screen. So I didnt see it.

discophil said:
All I want is a setting to manually adjust the colour temperature.
Its a stupidly simple thing to implement and I think it might already be there, just disabled from us being able to change it?
If you go to settings, make sure developer options is enabled. Then search settings for 'Color temperature' You can see theres an option for 'cool colour temperature' that shows up in the search results. But if you click it, it takes you nowhere. So its there in the dev options, its just hidden so we cant actually get to it and enable it.
Also on the on the DxOMark tests, this bit is interesting >
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I bet you someone can figure out how to access that color temp menu. Let's see if someone comes across this and figures that out. Do dialer codes work on this phone? On the s22 they don't.

Beefheart said:
No, I don't work for Google.
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Will do thanks.

No worries.
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lol. So it does! When I click reply to your post , this is what I see. I was reading this as I was replying to you and that bit in the middle is missing on the reply screen. So I didnt see it.
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EtherealRemnant said:
I personally love the display on this phone. No complaints about it.
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How much has Google paid you?

Beefheart said:
How much has Google paid you?
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Shoot I wish they would! My husband wants a new computer lol

EtherealRemnant said:
Shoot I wish they would! My husband wants a new computer lol
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He's making fun of me, very classy.

Question S22 Ultra exynos camera picture quality.... and has it improved with A13 betas? Please share if you know or have expirienced better colour processing

I have Pixel 6 pro and have S22 Ultra, when I do photos side by side, S22 Ultra can't make so good photos. Colours are washed out, details are missing. Even same zoom level photos with pixel have more detail and for example, you can read letters of object you take photo (carbord box with black letters) and on S22 ultra you just get blurry black line.
Expert Raw gives better output, but still can't match Pixel 6 Pro.
So what I see hardware is there and sometimes S22 Ultra comes close, but just point and shoot not satisfied with such camera for price of phone.
Only hope is that Android 13 and software update might get things right. Please share if you know.

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I have Pixel 6 pro and have S22 Ultra, when I do photos side by side, S22 Ultra can't make so good photos. Colours are washed out, details are missing. Even same zoom level photos with pixel have more detail and for example, you can read letters of object you take photo (carbord box with black letters) and on S22 ultra you just get blurry black line.
Expert Raw gives better output, but still can't match Pixel 6 Pro.
So what I see hardware is there and sometimes S22 Ultra comes close, but just point and shoot not satisfied with such camera for price of phone.
Only hope is that Android 13 and software update might get things right. Please share if you know.
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Your s22 Ultra is faulty then. My phone taste fantastic photos...Full of crisp detail. Colour is a bit lacking....admittedly.

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Your s22 Ultra is faulty then. My phone taste fantastic photos...Full of crisp detail. Colour is a bit lacking....admittedly.
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I am not saying that there are crappy photos, but mi 11 ultra and Pixel 6 Pro are making better ones. And in all reviews there are this a bit of better detail with Snapdragon version.
So I just looking for ways to get S22 pictures to be natural colour and looking at least like Pixel 6 Pro.
But on paper S22 Ultra should be making better pictures because of all camera modules etc.

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I am not saying that there are crappy photos, but mi 11 ultra and Pixel 6 Pro are making better ones. And in all reviews there are this a bit of better detail with Snapdragon version.
So I just looking for ways to get S22 pictures to be natural colour and looking at least like Pixel 6 Pro.
But on paper S22 Ultra should be making better pictures because of all camera modules etc.
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I still reckon you have a dodgy phone. I replaced my mi11 with a S22 Ultra. The photos are waaaaay better.

Just small crop from S22 and Pixel 6 pro, this is what I am talking about.... 1st Pixel, 2ns S22 Ultra

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Just small crop from S22 and Pixel 6 pro, this is what I am talking about....
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The top one is the better....

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The top one is the better....
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2.9 MB or 2.4 MB file?

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2.9mb

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yes that's from cheaper pixel 6 pro and it's better

Pixel series from years had and still have very good algorytmics, software and all this make very good work.
Maybe in paper PIxels cameras don't look like other devices but in real this devieces from Google can make very good photos (not always movies) even after updates, and presentation next models (read aging device like samsung can do it)
Samsung do not focuses to do possibility maximum good software like Google in PIxel for cameras because easier and more profits is show new device for samsung.

Pixels have always been the best camera phones simply just for their pre- and post-processing, especially now with Tensor.
I saw reports about the camera quality being worse for the Exynos variant compared to Snapdragon on the S22 Ultra though, so for sure this is a factor as well. Europe just always gets screwed over.
There's not much you can do; did you try using the optimizing feature from the S22 Ultra's gallery/photo editing app? Heard it's pretty good. Otherwise you're probably stuck with either "blurry" photos (still good ones though!) or you need to tweak 'em manually.

Frau Son said:
Pixels have always been the best camera phones simply just for their pre- and post-processing, especially now with Tensor.
I saw reports about the camera quality being worse for the Exynos variant compared to Snapdragon on the S22 Ultra though, so for sure this is a factor as well. Europe just always gets screwed over.
There's not much you can do; did you try using the optimizing feature from the S22 Ultra's gallery/photo editing app? Heard it's pretty good. Otherwise you're probably stuck with either "blurry" photos (still good ones though!) or you need to tweak 'em manually.
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Expert Raw+ good light can do something close but still, it's 400 EUR more expensive and I need to make photos look better .
Yes they aren't garbage but even far from Mi 11 Ultra.