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Ok, for us how are new to the moto phones, can you please explain the difference between these two options.
Which one do you prefer? Which one uses more battery?
Ambient Display uses more battery it doesn't use Motorola's separate low power CPU. Half-baked not as reliable as Moto Display.
Both accomplish the same task.
You have the option on the 2015 X. I wish the ir sensor worked with ambient display
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So there is no real advantage in ambient over moto display? Better go with moto?
I actually prefer the look of Ambient Display, but wish it worked as well as Moto Display. I've got Ambient enabled on my GPE HTC M8 (via DigitalHigh LolliGPE ROM), but it's not as responsive as the Nexus 6 Ambient Display, and nowhere near the finely tuned beast that is Moto Display. But, it looks really cool.
In short, the Ambient Display is Lollipop's default lockscreen shown in black and white. It's interactive, meaning you can tap on the black and white notification, and the screen will fully turn on in color, and you can do whatever you normally do with the notifications.
Moto Display is a similar, but separate lock-screen, where notifications show up on a black and white, low-power screen that shows up to three (I think) of your most recent notifications. You can tap on the circle, and drag for actions, such as dismiss, open, unlock, etc. There is still the stock Lollipop lock-screen if you just press the power button instead of picking up or waving over the phone, so it is completely separate from the default lockscreen.
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Fantach said:
So there is no real advantage in ambient over moto display? Better go with moto?
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So, yes, go with the Moto Display if you value battery life more than aesthetics, because the Moto Display uses the low-power, dedicated CPU core to run the sensors that turn on Moto Display, which Ambient Display doesn't. Ambient uses the phones internal sensors to determine whether you're picking up the phone or not, which uses more power than the proprietary chip/core.
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As an aside, there is one more dedicated CPU core that does natural language processing, which is what allows you to always talk to the phone and have it respond to a certain keyphrase. Another really cool addition that makes the Moto X line a notch above the other flagships, IMO
what about
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.greatbytes.activenotifications&hl=en
jonathanbailie said:
I actually prefer the look of Ambient Display...
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Thanks a lot for such a detailed explanation. I appreciate it
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what about
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.greatbytes.activenotifications&hl=en
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I've used that on my M8 and Nexus 5 before and it works really well. It essentially mimics Moto Display, but since those phones don't have the hardware to match the DynamicNotifications like the Moto X does, it does create more battery drain. That app does work as advertised though; it's good, especially if you've got an AMOLED device.
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Thanks a lot for such a detailed explanation. I appreciate it
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Yeah man, that's what we're here for :good:
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I've used that on my M8 and Nexus 5 before and it works really well. It essentially mimics Moto Display, but since those phones don't have the hardware to match the DynamicNotifications like the Moto X does, it does create more battery drain. That app does work as advertised though; it's good, especially if you've got an AMOLED device.
Yeah man, that's what we're here for :good:
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Also it doesn't respect the smart locks you set. If you're connected to a device that's supposed to keep your device unlocked the dynamic notifications will relock the device. Happens with acdisplay as well.
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Coming from a Nexus 6, I may end up getting the Pure. I'm a little worried that Motorola is losing its luster under Lenovo so I'm concerned for updates & support, but using the Nexus 6 for almost a year, I feel like Google's additions of Motorola's features weren't all there yet and Moto Display is one of the ones I was missing.
It felt more limited on my 2013 Moto x vs the Nexus 6 since the Nexus 6 is basically a black and white version of your lock screen so you see all the notifications when it 'breathes' vs the 2013 Moto X's one at a time (it improved a lot on the 2014 one if I'm not mistaken), but the thing I don't like about it on my Nexus 6 is that simply touching the screen anywhere fires up the whole screen which likely needlessly wastes battery. I'm constantly activating the whole screen on my Nexus 6 and it's very annoying, especially when all I'm trying to do is put the phone in my pocket, but my hand brushes against the screen. To me, the 2013 Moto x, it was a deliberate action when I wanted to preview a notification or swipe up/down to fire up the display.
Though with a non-amoled screen, it probably doesn't matter any more, power wise.
Is the colored Moto Display new to the 2015 Moto XPE, or was that on the older 2014 Moto X as well? I've never seen it before, so I'm thinking it has to be because of the LCD instead of AMOLED.
If you don't know what I mean, the new Moto X Pure/Style can show colors (instead of just black and white notifications) in its Moto Display feature.
jonathanbailie said:
Is the colored Moto Display new to the 2015 Moto XPE, or was that on the older 2014 Moto X as well? I've never seen it before, so I'm thinking it has to be because of the LCD instead of AMOLED.
If you don't know what I mean, the new Moto X Pure/Style can show colors (instead of just black and white notifications) in its Moto Display feature.
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I believe that's the blue screen when you activate the phone with moto voice.
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biggiestuff said:
I believe that's the blue screen when you activate the phone with moto voice.
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No, that's not what I mean. I haven't actually seen it since the first time I used Moto Display, but it had a little blue part below the ring that said "touch to start" or something. Since then, I haven't seen anything bit black and white on Moto Display.
Isnt the Moto Pure screen LDC this time? Means the Moto Display will use more power than AMOLED?
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Isnt the Moto Pure screen LDC this time? Means the Moto Display will use more power than AMOLED?
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Yeah it would do kost likley. But the less power used during web browsing on the LCD is probably a greater saving in power overall compared to the AMOLED.
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Tested ambient display on mxpe for about 2 weeks. I changed back to moto display and am happy about it.
For like media player, moto display you need to push on the lock icon and slide it to the task you want. Making accidentally unlocking in pocket harder.
Ambient display kept unlocking in my pocket.
I think Moto display is way better but it's a shame that it isn't in any custom ROM only in stock
bublz654 said:
I think Moto display is way better but it's a shame that it isn't in any custom ROM only in stock
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Hey. You can flash moto display. With any compatible ROM like trupurexmm. Flash with twrp. I don't know about other recovery's.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...ast-smooth-t3237155/post63574299#post63574299
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Hitti2 said:
Hey. You can flash moto display. With any compatible ROM like trupurexmm. Flash with twrp. I don't know about other recovery's.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-style/development/rom-trupurex-fast-smooth-t3237155/post63574299#post63574299
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Would I be able to flash it on a CM13 based ROM though ?
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Would I be able to flash it on a CM13 based ROM though ?
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That I do not know.
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Hi all!
I wonder if Samsung galaxy S7 have PWM for brightness control.
If you do not know what PWM (Pulse-width modulation, screen flickering) means, look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation
In brief, it is a method to control screen brightness by turning the lighting on and off rapidly (ex. 240Hz).
Why is it bad? Because some people are very sensitive to PWM even if they cannot see it. PWM could give you headaches and eye fatigue after using the device.
I am currently using a LG G2 and am very happy that it does not have PWM. I can use it for reading even in a dark room.
So far, I have not found a single review with PWM test.
Glad to hear other people are concerned about PWM in phones. I have this problem and at one point it was so bad I dropped out of school, and lived in a dark room.
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Hi all!
I wonder if Samsung galaxy S7 have PWM for brightness control.
If you do not know what PWM (Pulse-width modulation, screen flickering) means, look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation
In brief, it is a method to control screen brightness by turning the lighting on and off rapidly (ex. 240Hz).
Why is it bad? Because some people are very sensitive to PWM even if they cannot see it. PWM could give you headaches and eye fatigue after using the device.
I am currently using a LG G2 and am very happy that it does not have PWM. I can use it for reading even in a dark room.
So far, I have not found a single review with PWM test.
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S7 definitely uses PWM, so if you are sensitive this isn't the phone for you.
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Glad to hear other people are concerned about PWM in phones. I have this problem and at one point it was so bad I dropped out of school, and lived in a dark room.
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Yes and I am really upset that if they make a flagship device (i.e. the price tag is HIGH), why can't they spend a few more bucks for normal brightness control solution instead of using cheap one.
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S7 definitely uses PWM, so if you are sensitive this isn't the phone for you.
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Unfortunately, I am sensitive to PWM
AFAIK, Galaxy S2 (or S3) didn't use PWM and may be there is a chance that S7 won't.
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Yes and I am really upset that if they make a flagship device (i.e. the price tag is HIGH), why can't they spend a few more bucks for normal brightness control solution instead of using cheap one.
Unfortunately, I am sensitive to PWM
AFAIK, Galaxy S2 (or S3) didn't use PWM and may be there is a chance that S7 won't.
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Yeah. Last August I interviewed a display engineer for Apple through my connections, and he says almost all Apple products since 2010 have a 100Khz PWM frequency below 50%, above is DC. Exceptions are the infamous 1st-gen retina Macbook with LG panel, first retina iPad, etc. I actually needed a flicker free laptop so I got a Macbook Pro 2015 with AMD graphics and installed WIndows on it :laugh:
Would like to stick with Android though.
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Yeah. Last August I interviewed a display engineer for Apple through my connections, and he says almost all Apple products since 2010 have a 100Khz PWM frequency below 50%, above is DC. Exceptions are the infamous 1st-gen retina Macbook with LG panel, first retina iPad, etc. I actually needed a flicker free laptop so I got a Macbook Pro 2015 with AMD graphics and installed WIndows on it :laugh:
Would like to stick with Android though.
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But buying an iPhone instead of an Android device is not the solution at all! :laugh:
Let us wait for a review (I know that guys from ixbit check PWM in smartphones).
If S7 fails, there is also a hope for a G5.
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But buying an iPhone instead of an Android device is not the solution at all! :laugh:
Let us wait for a review (I know that guys from ixbit check PWM in smartphones).
If S7 fails, there is also a hope for a G5.
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Yeah.
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Samsung-Galaxy-A5-2016-Smartphone.159387.0.html
Does A5 have similar display/OLED controller to S7?
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Yeah.
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Samsung-Galaxy-A5-2016-Smartphone.159387.0.html
Does A5 have similar display/OLED controller to S7?
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Not sure about the controller, but A5 sure has PWM.
Another confirmation:
In russian: http://www.ixbt.com/mobile/samsung-galaxy-a5.shtml#display-test
Google translate: https://translate.google.com/transl...msung-galaxy-a5.shtml#display-test&edit-text=
PWM oscillogram: http://www.ixbt.com/mobile/images/samsung-galaxy-a5/oled-mod.png
As you can see, the PWM is used only for brightness levels less than 75%. May be Samsung have updated the controller so it won't have PWM in S7. At least I hope so.
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Not sure about the controller, but A5 sure has PWM.
Another confirmation:
In russian: http://www.ixbt.com/mobile/samsung-galaxy-a5.shtml#display-test
Google translate: https://translate.google.com/transl...msung-galaxy-a5.shtml#display-test&edit-text=
PWM oscillogram: http://www.ixbt.com/mobile/images/samsung-galaxy-a5/oled-mod.png
As you can see, the PWM is used only for brightness levels less than 75%. May be Samsung have updated the controller so it won't have PWM in S7. At least I hope so.
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Here we go
http://laptopmedia.com/smartphone-r...del-for-all-2016-flagships/#display-and-sound
320 cd/m2 is very bright
and the 100% still kind of looks like PWM to me.
jtl999 said:
Here we go
http://laptopmedia.com/smartphone-r...del-for-all-2016-flagships/#display-and-sound
320 cd/m2 is very bright
and the 100% still kind of looks like PWM to me.
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Well, the hope is lost.
Anyway I'm going to look at the phone when it will be available in stores, but it looks like G7 has just become an outsider of my test: Xiaomi Mi5, LG G5 and HTC M10.
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Well, the hope is lost.
Anyway I'm going to look at the phone when it will be available in stores, but it looks like G7 has just become an outsider of my test: Xiaomi Mi5, LG G5 and HTC M10.
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This german review (will be in English soon, use google translate) also says PWM at 100%
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Samsung-Galaxy-S7-Smartphone-Erster-Eindruck.160891.0.html
Are there any Amoled displays out there without pwm?
My s7 screen flickers too. This phone is not made well
Luthein1 said:
My s7 screen flickers too. This phone is not made well
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Hi,
my s7 flickers too , my eyes burning , i m leave it ...........:crying: i search a flagship FLICKERFREE for replace my G2 ( s7 is a flash ship ...) , an idear ??
Ok
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I m search a review of the g5 , pwm or not ?
My G Flex 2 is totally flicker free..... Fantastic !!!
G4 too is flicker free, but not in low brightness.
I am pretty sure that there no Amoled screens without pwm. So ips/lcd is the way to go if your eyes are sensitive
https://translate.google.com/transl...d-Tablets-nutzen-PWM.163974.0.html&edit-text=
Moto X is AMOLED without PWM don't know which exact model
Wrong: Amoled yes, pwm 240hz - just follow link above
I really want the S pen from the note but I really like the 7 pro for the 90hz screen.
is there any way to overclock the note 10 display higher? even its its just to like 75hz that is fine.
preferably without having to root
Nope
sakshamgoyal01 said:
I really want the S pen from the note but I really like the 7 pro for the 90hz screen.
is there any way to overclock the note 10 display higher? even its its just to like 75hz that is fine.
preferably without having to root
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Not gonna happen. Not sure why Samsung didn't include a 90hz screen, since they make the screen 90hz for OP, and the upcoming pixel 4.
suzook said:
Not gonna happen. Not sure why Samsung didn't include a 90hz screen, since they make the screen 90hz for OP, and the upcoming pixel 4.
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Brightness, overall image quality, battery life. These appear to be the main reasons. Yeah the OP7 Pro has a higher refresh rate but don't be fooled, it's nowhere near as good as far as image quality and brightness. I guess it's up to personal preference.
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Brightness, overall image quality, battery life. These appear to be the main reasons. Yeah the OP7 Pro has a higher refresh rate but don't be fooled, it's nowhere near as good as far as image quality and brightness. I guess it's up to personal preference.
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I have both. Brightness? OP7pro is BRIGHTER than n10. Battery? Nope, I lost about 2% batt with 90hz on, not really a battery killer. Lol. People need to stop with the bs.
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I have both. Brightness? OP7pro is BRIGHTER than n10. Battery? Nope, I lost about 2% batt with 90hz on, not really a battery killer. Lol. People need to stop with the bs.
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Considering the OnePlus 7 Pro's display brightness spec is supposed to max out at around 820 nits while the note 10+ can reach 1300... you either got a special phone that no one has seen or you're full of crap.
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Considering the OnePlus 7 Pro's display brightness spec is supposed to max out at around 820 nits while the note 10+ can reach 1300... you either got a special phone that no one has seen or you're full of crap.
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Or I got a POS note10plus, because my OP7pro gets brighter. But who the f needs 1300 nits?
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Or I got a POS note10plus, because my OP7pro gets brighter. But who the f needs 1300 nits?
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People that leave their home and walk under that incredibly bright thing that we call "sun".
First thing i noticed upon setup.I tried messing with all display settings.Note 10 is supposedly one of the brightest display's on the market even more so than a xs max or a s10+.Do i have a defective unit? anyone else feel like their max brightness is low?
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First thing i noticed upon setup.I tried messing with all display settings.Note 10 is supposedly one of the brightest display's on the market even more so than a xs max or a s10+.Do i have a defective unit? anyone else feel like their max brightness is low?
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Agree.,,my OP7pro is brighter than my note10plus. This along with the issues of signal, is a deal breaker for me.
My note 9 was as well I tried all sorts to see why but I managed to sort it out by switching on performance mode and setting blue light filter on and to the lowest setting
Now the note 10 plus is brighter then my note 9 but in video the note 10 is not as vivid and bright I think it's due to the note 10 been more color accurate and them eliminating a lot of the blue light
But I think it does get bright just more in direct sunlight
Ok so i tested the v40, s9+ and note 10 all on the same youtube hdr video. s9+ and note10 on vivid, note 10 is definitely the brightest of the three.so the display is not faulty, its capable but you cannot go the high brightness manually. probably because of potential oled burn in warranty problems , samsung has capped the brightness under normal conditions. Also i noticed, if turn the screen temp to cool it looks a bit brighter. I read somewhere Samsung reduced blue light from their display starting with the s10. Might be why display appears to be dimmer. Wish it wasn't capped at the very least. you pay 1k for a flagship phone and samsung does this smh.
So yesterday my N20 Ultra arrived from wondamobile (highly recommended, everything went smooth), and I'm quite happy.
I do have 2 questions though:
- Is the back really made of glass? Everyone says it is, but it feels completely different from my Oneplus 7 pro (and yes, I know for certain I don't have the non-ultra). The glass on my Oneplus feels cool to the touch, while the note doesn't. It also sounds different when you tap them with your nails.
- I heard this phone had the highest peak brightness of any screen. On the highest non-adaptive setting my Oneplus 7 Pro gets much brighter. Is this just Samsung limiting the max brightness, or is this a random difference in panel quality or something? I saw Lew from Unbox therapy also had potentially related questions about the display.
I made a return of my N9860 256gb. Compared to Note 9, theNote 20 ultra's brightness sucks! I order a new 512gb model. I hope will get luck with last one
These displays should be able to get very bright...
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note20_ShootOut_1N.htm
there are simply Note 20 ultra that have dimmer screens, mine was one of them.
manager77 said:
there are simply Note 20 ultra that have dimmer screens, mine was one of them.
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Firmware glitch it sounds like... bad Samsung
It isn't a Hardware fault. Samsung limited the manual max brightness limit to be like that , so you only get the full brightness in adaptive brightness mode under direct sunlight
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there are simply Note 20 ultra that have dimmer screens, mine was one of them.
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It isn't a Hardware fault. Samsung limited the manual max brightness limit to be like that , so you only get the full brightness in adaptive brightness mode under direct sunlight
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So can you manually jack it up?
I never use adaptive brightness, lol it never worked right and still doesn't.
I don't want to kill my OLEDs or my eyes so typically it's at about the half way point or less on the 10+
The 20 U gets even brighter...
Using these devices in the sun is sort of asking for it.