Im going to openly say this now... I am PISSED! Massively.... I thought the style was supposed to be their Flagship?!?!?!
Either way nonetheless Ladies and Gents - We Present the Moto X Force
Motorola Moto X Force vs Moto X Style vs Moto X Play: What's the difference?
Motorola has very quietly announced the Moto X Force, which brings the 2015 Moto X offering to three models if you ignore the Moto X Style Pure Edition.
The Moto X Force brings with it flagship specs and a slightly more expensive price than the Moto X Style, but it's the unbreakable display that makes this Moto X model more interesting than its siblings.
We have put the Moto X Force up against the Moto X Style and the Moto X Play to see what the differences are between the three devices and how they compare. Read on if you want some help deciding which X is right for you.
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Motorola Moto X Force vs Moto X Style vs Moto X Play: Design
The Motorola Moto X Force measures 149.8 x 78mm and offers a curved rear between 7.6mm and 9.2mm. The Moto X Style is larger in height but smaller in width, measuring 153.9 x 76.2mm with a curve between 6.1mm and 11.06mm. The Moto X Play is the smallest of all three of these devices however, measuring 148 x 75mm with a curve of 8.9mm to 10.9mm.
The Moto X Force is the slimmest overall and one of the lightest, hitting the scales at 169g, which is the same as the Moto X Play. The Moto X Style is 10 grams heavier at 179g.
All three of the Moto X devices come with a water-repellant nano-coating and they are all available to customise through Moto Maker. The Force only comes in one colour as standard, while the Style and Play come in two base colours.
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Motorola Moto X Force vs Moto X Style vs Moto X Play: Display
The Moto X Force comes with a 5.4-inch AMOLED display offering a resolution of 2560 x 1440 for a pixel density of 540ppi. It's the ShatterShield feature that makes this device stand out from the crowd however. Motorola claims this display is completely unbreakable and its confidence is supported with a four-year warranty.
The Moto X Style has a slightly larger 5.7-inch TFT LCD display that also offers a Quad HD resolution but the increase in size drops the pixel density to 520ppi. It is protected by Corning Gorilla Glass 3, but no unbreakable claims come with this model or the Moto X Play.
The Moto X Play has a 5.5-inch display that offers a Full HD resolution for a pixel density of 403ppi, which is the lowest of this bunch. Corning Gorilla Glass 3 is on board again but dropping this device at a bad angle probably wouldn't end well.
The Force has the smallest display but also the sharpest, and strongest if Motorola's claims are anything to go by.
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Motorola Moto X Force vs Moto X Style vs Moto X Play: Camera
The Moto X Force has a 21-megapixel rear snapper, like the Moto X Style and Moto X Play. All three feature an aperture of f/2.0, along with functions such as 4x digital zoom, slow motion video, burst mode, night mode and auto HDR.
The Moto X Play doesn't offer as many functions as the Moto X Force and the Moto X Style however, despite offering the same amount of megapixels. For example, both the latter devices offer phase detect auto-focus and 4K video capabilities, while the Moto X Play doesn't.
In terms of the front-facing snapper, the Moto X Force has a 5-megapixel sensor, as does the Moto X Style and Moto X Play. Motorola doesn't detail the features of the Moto X Play's front camera but the Moto X Style and Moto X Force appear to be identical.
There is a wide-angle lens, night mode, a flash and an aperture of f/2.0. The Moto X Force and Moto X Style front-facing cameras also have larger 1.4um pixels for better low light shots.
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Motorola Moto X Force vs Moto X Style vs Moto X Play: Hardware
The Moto X Force has the Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 processor under its hood, Adreno 430 graphics and 3GB of RAM support. The Moto X Style takes the processor down a notch to the Qualcomm Snapdragon 808 with Adreno 418 graphics but there is still 3GB of RAM support. The Moto X Play has the Qualcomm Snapdragon 617 processor, Adreno 405 graphics and 2GB of RAM on board.
The Moto X Force comes in 32GB and 64GB storage options, offering microSD support for up to 2TB. The Moto X Style comes in 16GB, 32GB and 64GB options with microSD support for up to 128GB. The Moto X Play is available in 16GB and 32GB storage options, also with microSD support.
The biggest battery sits within the Moto X Force with a whopping 3760mAh capacity, while the Moto X Play sits closely behind with a 3630mAh battery. The Moto X Style has the smallest battery at 3000mAh.
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Motorola Moto X Force vs Moto X Style vs Moto X Play: Software
All three Moto X devices come with Android 5.1.1 Lollipop out of the box, but they will all get a Marshmallow update eventually. Motorola doesn't add as much bloatware as Samsung and Sony do so you get a close to pure Android experience with its devices.
The software experience between the Moto X Force, Moto X Style and Moto X Play will be identical. You'll get Android with a few extra Motorola-specific apps like Motorola Assist and voice-activated commands.
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Motorola Moto X Force vs Moto X Style vs Moto X Play: Price
The Moto X Force starts at £499, which is £100 more than the Moto X Style and £220 more than the Moto X Play. The Moto X Style starts at £399 and the Moto X Play starts at £279.
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Motorola Moto X Force vs Moto X Style vs Moto X Play: Conclusion
The Motorola Moto X Force follows in the footsteps of the Moto X Style but bumps the specs up in a couple of areas and of course, adds that unbreakable display.
You pay an extra £100 for a slightly bigger battery than the Moto X Play, but a significantly bigger one than the Moto X Style, a faster processor, smaller but sharper display and more storage, as well as a slimmer handset overall than both models.
The quietly announced Moto X Force wins or draws on almost all spec fronts so if you are someone who is constantly dropping their smartphone, this decision will be a no brainer. The Moto X Force offers everything and more than the Moto X Style and Moto X Play.
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IMHO Motorola went backwards on this one... I think that they should have given the bigger battery to the MOTO X Style... 3760mAh
The Play should have had the 3000mAh Battery and the Force should have Had the 3630mAh Battery
Yes the Moto X force (Droid Turbo 2 in the US) is a more powerful phone but it has a price tag to match. It was launched here in the US for Verizon wireless only, 32gig is $624 off contract or $720 for the 64gig variant. That's $174 or $220 more respectively compared to the Moto X Pure edition here in the states. Yes it's a better phone but the performance difference for the price isn't worth it in my book. It also doesn't help that it loses the stereo speakers for a mono loud speaker on the front.
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The big question, will the Force be available in the US through Moto Maker direct?
I'm not changing carriers just for the Droid Turbo 2. The Force really hits the mark with the 4 year warrantee shatter proof screen. PocketNow seemed to throw the Droid Turbo 2 around pretty good.
I'll be disappointed if I cannot order this in US through Moto Maker.
sailindawg said:
The big question, will the Force be available in the US through Moto Maker direct?
I'm not changing carriers just for the Droid Turbo 2. The Force really hits the mark with the 4 year warrantee shatter proof screen. PocketNow seemed to throw the Droid Turbo 2 around pretty good.
I'll be disappointed if I cannot order this in US through Moto Maker.
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It probably never will. The Moto Maxx is the international version of the Droid Turbo and after more than a year, it never got to be available directly from Motorola U.S.
I'm guessing because of the Verizon exclusivity agreement.
F###ing Verizon. That would really suck. A phone with a feature like shatter proof screen & only one company can carry it in US? That's crap. I know I could probably buy the Verizon phone & put a GSM sim card in it, but I don't want the big red crap ware.
I don't get moto. On the one hand, we are only making our phones direct, but then they come out with a carrier specific phone with some specs that are much more desirable than what they call their high end phone. I don't get it.
It's called money and fulfilling a contract Motorola has with Verizon. They do this every year with the droid. What's surprising is that anyone would be surprised. The T2 won't get quick updates and the four T2s I have seen have had dark, dingy screens but I haven't heard others experiencing this. I'm happy with my MXPE.
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It doesnt has stereo speakers.
Moto Maxx in Brazil hasnt received updates as Moto X received. I recommend you to avoid this.
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It's called money and fulfilling a contract Motorola has with Verizon. They do this every year with the droid. What's surprising is that anyone would be surprised. The T2 won't get quick updates and the four T2s I have seen have had dark, dingy screens but I haven't heard others experiencing this. I'm happy with my MXPE.
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I've read this in a few hands-on/reviews as well. The screen is apparently downright ugly compared to my beautiful MXPE.
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I'm jealous of the 2TB SD card expansion.. Not that I would ever use that much lol. But theoretically I could backup all my photos and videos from my pc and carry it around on my phone.
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in us its only on verizon so they need the faster processor and bigger battery to support all that verizon bloat... it will be locked down im sure like all moto phones on verizon have been forever... MXPE is free of bloat, easily unlockable bootloader if i choose, therefore it is a better choice for the value since you need to pay full price for the phone via payment plans now
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in us its only on verizon so they need the faster processor and bigger battery to support all that verizon bloat... it will be locked down im sure like all moto phones on verizon have been forever... MXPE is free of bloat, easily unlockable bootloader if i choose, therefore it is a better choice for the value since you need to pay full price for the phone via payment plans now
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Yah but remember the Moto X Force will be worldwide... (Ish)
I love my MXS Its an amazing device!
I'm tired of laggy phones, buggy software and that problems that are not described on the box when you buy it.
Had a S3, then got a S4, I REALLY got tired of Lagmsung and his awful updates, every update had new bugs and lagged the phone even more.
I gave a Moto X 2014 to my GF as a christmas gift, one year later the phone is still rocking, blazing bast, no bugs, lots of updates.
So, I was looking for a motorola replacement, suddenly my eyes saw this phone, on the paper it looks awesome, 3gb ram, 64gb storage, quad core 2,7ghz, 1440p screen...amazing! But, what on the software side?
I saw some weird things on the forums that triggered the alarms and I decided to not buy it until I know what's going on directly from its owners
Are you happy with the phone, or does it have bugs, strange camera/wifi/whatever issues, what about updates, are they ok? Also saw few cases of greyed LCD on the corners...
I won't tolerate more that "sell-and-forget" policy , giving my money to what doesn't deserve it.
Any comments are really appreciated,
Regards
The Marshmallow update took awhile for the maxx to reach its soak test phase, but its gonna be rolling out officially soon.
The phone is a beast of a device. The snapdragon 805 processor can still handle anything thrown at it, and its GPU performs beautifully.
Since Motorola runs on nearly stiock android you will have a smooth experience and run apps without any problems
The roms available for it are great too, Skrillax and Baybutcher both put a lot of work into CM and RR roms and I have no complaints about my device at all, and have no doubt i'll be using my device for a long time to come
I'm using a Droid Turbo, which is Verizons moto maxx
I know you will not be disappointed
I own three. One each for me and my wife and a backup still in the box. Sold our Nexus 5 phones and LG G2 backups to go all in on this device. It's worth it. It's the first phone I will be keeping for 2 years.
Make sure you get the XT1225 Moto Maxx. The XT1250 is also called the "Moto Maxx" -- but it's the really same device as the XT1254, Droid Turbo. The XT1250 = XT1254, even same FCC ID. You don't want that one unless you need CDMA bands or LTE band 13 (Verizon). Instead you probably want the XT1225 Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo.
The XT1225 has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 -- plus a ton of HSPA bands. Of the Quarks, the Moto XT1225 has greater number of LTE bands and greater number of HSPA bands. Unless you use Verizon, the XT1225 is the better Quark. Bootloader easily unlocked via Motorola website.
There are basically two Motorola Quark devices (two different FCC IDs), sold under three model names: Droid Turbo, Moto Turbo, Moto Maxx. All have the same hardware, but different radios. The Motorola Quark was basically the Moto Nexus 6 (Shamu) in a 5.2" size. In fact, as late as mid-August 2014, Google/Motorola was testing a 5.2" Shamu variant. We saw the leaked benchmarks... But Google decided on the 6" whale, which was a mistake. I bought the Quark instead.
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5.2" Moto Maxx vs massive 5.96" Nexus 6
Motorola obviously re-purposed the 5.2" "Shamu" variant as the "Quark" -- Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx, changed the camera and gave it a BIGGER battery. Still, a lot of the hardware specs remains the same as the Nexus 6.
Same manufacturer (Motorola),
same CPU/GPU (Snapdragon 805),
same RAM (3GB),
same resolution (1440p),
same "turbo" charger
same Qi wireless charging.
Same 64GB internal storage as the 64GB version of the Nexus 6.
Bigger battery than the Nexus 6, even though a smaller phone!
We will soon get stock Marshmallow (in soak tests), but we already have custom ROM Marshmallow.
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Droid Turbo XT1254 (sold by U.S. carrier Verizon; 32/64GB internal memory)
U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 (sold by U.S. regional CDMA/LTE carriers; 32GB internal memory)
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"international" Moto Maxx XT1225 (64GB internal memory)
Moto Turbo XT1225 (sold in India, but identical to Moto Maxx XT1225)
I live in the U.S. but have THREE "international" XT1225, as it has ALL the U.S. carrier AT&T LTE bands (2,4, 5, 17), plus all the Brazil LTE bands (3, 7) when I visit Brazil (my wife is Brazilian).
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I own three. One each for me and my wife and a backup still in the box. Sold our Nexus 5 phones and LG G2 backups to go all in on this device. It's worth it. It's the first phone I will be keeping for 2 years.
Make sure you get the XT1225. The XT1250 is also called the Moto Maxx, but it's the same device as the XT1254, Droid Turbo. The XT1250 = XT1254, even same FCC ID. You don't want that one unless you need CDMA or LTE band 13 (Verizon).
The XT1225 has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17, plus a ton of HSPA bands.
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I was wrong, it's a droid turbo! So, will it have issues on european bands?
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I was wrong, it's a droid turbo! So, will it have issues on european bands?
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I added more to my reply above. Read again, see the all the bands for each Quark device.
Also, the Droid Turbo XT1254 comes in 32/64GB internal memory, while the Moto XT1225 is 64GB only internal memory.
Big thanks, I still don't know what model is, I've asked the seller.
It's the 64gb black model with the red letters "droid" on the back, no signs of Verizon anywhere, just like this:
In Spain we have 800 mhz LTE band, so the xt1250/1254 will not work with it, right?
Anyway I'm happy with wcdma, usually got around 12Mbits, more than enough for my everyday purposes, loosing LTE won't keep me from buying, but having ollocked bootloader will.
From what I've read, only the xt1254 has it locked, and only Sunshine can unlock it and only in certain 4.4 version, so if it has other newer build version it'll be unlockable, right?
I always hated HTC for this, all s-on and s-off stuff, complex and dangerous procedures to unlock, bricks..that was my last htc(wildfire).
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Big thanks, I still don't know what model is, I've asked the seller.
It's the 64gb black model with the red letters "droid" on the back, no signs of Verizon anywhere, just like this:
In Spain we have 800 mhz LTE band, so the xt1250/1254 will not work with it, right?
Anyway I'm happy with wcdma, usually got around 12Mbits, more than enough for my everyday purposes, loosing LTE won't keep me from buying, but having ollocked bootloader will.
From what I've read, only the xt1254 has it locked, and only Sunshine can unlock it and only in certain 4.4 version, so if it has other newer build version it'll be unlockable, right?
I always hated HTC for this, all s-on and s-off stuff, complex and dangerous procedures to unlock, bricks..that was my last htc(wildfire).
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If it says "Droid" on the back, it is the Verizon model.
dabyd64 said:
Big thanks, I still don't know what model is, I've asked the seller.
It's the 64gb black model with the red letters "droid" on the back, no signs of Verizon anywhere, just like this:
In Spain we have 800 mhz LTE band, so the xt1250/1254 will not work with it, right?
Anyway I'm happy with wcdma, usually got around 12Mbits, more than enough for my everyday purposes, loosing LTE won't keep me from buying, but having ollocked bootloader will.
From what I've read, only the xt1254 has it locked, and only Sunshine can unlock it and only in certain 4.4 version, so if it has other newer build version it'll be unlockable, right?
I always hated HTC for this, all s-on and s-off stuff, complex and dangerous procedures to unlock, bricks..that was my last htc(wildfire).
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If it says "Droid" on the back, it is the Verizon model.
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Right. Only the Verizon model XT1254 Quark is called Droid (Droid Turbo), although the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx is exactly identical. There was no "exclusivity" except in the Droid name. One of the other Quarks is even called Moto Turbo.
That was also why I included the actual FCC ID numbers with the LTE/HSPA bands in my post above.
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Droid Turbo XT1254 (sold by U.S. carrier Verizon; 32/64GB internal memory)
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"international" Moto Maxx XT1225 (64GB internal memory)
Moto Turbo XT1225 (sold in India, but identical to Moto Maxx XT1225)
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In your Droid picture, you can see the FCC ID at the bottom of the phone.
I just rotated and cropped your picture. But again, if it says Droid, it's the XT1254.
The Moto Maxx doesn't have any tramp stamps like that on the back.
This is one of my XT1225:
Only the "M" logo. The FCC ID on the XT1225 is there at the bottom, but very lightly printed. Depends on the angle so you can see it. Not visible in this picture.
Finally I got the model. XT1254, so definitely a Verizon DROID MAXX. (very slow communication with seller, lots of time to get answers)
Apart of locked bootloader and missing 800MHz LTE band, it's the same as Moto MAXX. I can live with it.
The phone is the rocket it should be? Really good camera? Fast wifi, no strange hangs, no random connection drops...?
The damn thing is not cheap, so I want to be 100% sure!
Thanks to all for the experiences!
dabyd64 said:
Finally I got the model. XT1254, so definitely a Verizon DROID MAXX. (very slow communication with seller, lots of time to get answers)
Apart of locked bootloader and missing 800MHz LTE band, it's the same as Moto MAXX. I can live with it.
The phone is the rocket it should be? Really good camera? Fast wifi, no strange hangs, no random connection drops...?
The damn thing is not cheap, so I want to be 100% sure!
Thanks to all for the experiences!
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Camera is good, but does not have OIS (Optical Image Stabilization) like the Moto Nexus 6.
OIS and stereo speakers are the only two features that would have made this phone even better. Motorola put those features on their Nexus 6 (Shamu), which came out at the same time -- so I don't understand why not on the Quark. (Of course, it does have a bigger battery than the Nexus 6, even though it's a smaller phone.)
Phone is very fast, very responsive.
It is a 1,5 years old phone (Released 2014, November) and you should expect not high end features.
It had a high spec at the time of launching, but support from motorola has been sparse.
It has its comunity in xda, but as it was not a high seller phone, don't expect a lot of development to it.
All development done for this phone here on xda has been done by just a few developers who have their lives outside xda and everyone here should be very thankful to them.
If you have got a good price on it, go for it. If not, I think you should go to a newer phone.
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It is a 1,5 years old phone (Released 2014, November) and you should expect not high end features.
It had a high spec at the time of launching, but support from motorola has been sparse.
It has its comunity in xda, but as it was not a high seller phone, don't expect a lot of development to it.
All development done for this phone here on xda has been done by just a few developers who have their lives outside xda and everyone here should be very thankful to them.
If you have got a good price on it, go for it. If not, I think you should go to a newer phone.
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I disagree. It's still one of the best phones out there.
5.2", 1440p AMOLED display (fantastic colors, Apple's iPhone 7 is rumored to be switching to AMOLED. We already have it.)
3G RAM
Snapdragon 805
21 megapixel camera
64GB internal memory
Qi wireless charging
Turbo charging
3900 mAh battery
There's only a few phones that match or exceed that. The 2015 Nexus phones don't even have Qi wireless charging. I was a Nexus fanboi for years, but Google has lost their way on Nexus phones. The LG 5X this year only has 1080p and 2GB RAM. The Nexus Huawei 6P doesn't have features this Quark has and is STILL too big, at 5.7".
I had a 2015 LG G4 I won for FREE in a contest, and I sold it to keep this phone. I even bought a 3rd XT1225, just in case something happened to mine and my wife's XT1225 phones.
As far as specs, only with the new 2016 Snapdragon 820 phones do we have some real competition (like the Galaxy S7, where Samsung increased the battery size and uses the Snapdragon 820). All the 2015 phones used either the problematic Snapdragon 810 or the slower 808. Benchmarks on those phones were often LOWER than on our Snapdragon 805.
Not sure by what you mean by lack of development. We have CM12.1, CM13, Mokee ASOP and Resurrection Remix, and custom kernel. Yes, Motorola should be ashamed for slow rollout of both Lollipop and Marshmallow to one of their still-best phones. I will criticize them forever for that. Motorola should also be ashamed for not rolling this phone out to all countries. It's what the 2014 Moto X should have been, instead of copycat of the 2013 LG G2 copycat it was. The 2014 Quark and Shamu (Nexus 6) were the first two real top tier phones Motorola has released that could compete equally with LG and Samsung top tier phones... (and the Nexus 6 was too big.) But dev work on this phone has been outstanding.
ChazzMatt said:
I disagree. It's still one of the best phones out there.
5.2", 1440p AMOLED display
3G RAM, Snapdragon 805
21 megapixel camera
64GB internal memory
Qi wireless charging
Turbo charging
There's only a few phones that match or exceed that. This year's Nexus phones don't even have Qi wireless charging. I was a Nexus faboi for years, but Google has lost their way on Nexus phones. The LG 5X this year only has 1080p and 2GB RAM. The 6P doesn't have features this Quark has and is STILL too big.
Not sure by what you mean by lack of development. We have CM12.1, CM13, Mokee ASOP and Resurrection Remix.
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Spec wise, it is a great phone, but:
Camera is not only Megapixels, and I think the camera is just regular.
Snapdradon 805 is almost 2 years old and now we have more battery friendly processors that would make a better use of a battery as giant as the one from this phone.
I think a smaller resolution would be more battery friendly and I sincerelly can't notice the difference between 1440p and 1080p and a 5 inch screen.
I didn't mean lack of development, but just a few developers.
I think when baybutcher27, Skrilax_CZ and yourself move on to newer phones, I don't think we will see any new development for our quarks.
mirdones said:
Spec wise, it is a great phone, but:
Camera is not only Megapixels, and I think the camera is just regular.
Snapdradon 805 is almost 2 years old and now we have more battery friendly processors that would make a better use of a battery as giant as the one from this phone.
I think a smaller resolution would be more battery friendly and I sincerelly can't notice the difference between 1440p and 1080p and a 5 inch screen.
I didn't mean lack of development, but just a few developers.
I think when baybutcher27, Skrilax_CZ and yourself move on to newer phones, I don't think we will see any new development for our quarks.
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Well, 1440p is the standard for top tier phones. I specifically want that and not 1080p. I had 1080p with my 2013 LG Nexus 5. I want better, 1440p.
Yes, when @baybutcher27 and @Skrilax_CZ move on to other phones that will be a sad day. By that time, I will see what other phones are out there. But this is the first phone I will keep for a two full years, which is amazing. Believe me, I look at specs of other phones, but the combination of what this phone has still satisfies me.
IF for the Quark successor Kinzie (Moto X Force, Droid Turbo 2), Motorola would have added rear camera OIS and stereo speakers, I would have jumped. But instead they went with silly plastic film "scratchless" gimmick -- and made the battery smaller.
If Google would have made the 2015 5.2" Nexus LG 5X a true top-tier phone -- with 1440p, 3GB RAM and also had Qi wireless (like the 2013 LG Nexus 5), I would have gone back to Nexus. Instead they made the more reasonable size phone a "mid tier" phone, while keeping phablet 5.7" with top tier specs (and even that doesn't have Qi wireless).
5.1- 5.3" is the "sweet spot" for mainstream populace. Even LG went back down to 5.3" display and Samsung has stayed with 5.1" for at least 3 generations for their mainstream Galaxy flagship. You can have a larger phablet (like the Note), if you also make the mainstream size with top tier specs.
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Well, 1440p is the standard for top tier phones. I specifically want that and not 1080p. I had 1080p with my 2013 LG Nexus 5. I want better, 1440p.
Yes, when @baybutcher27 and @Skrilax_CZ move on to other phones that will be a sad day. By that time, I will see what other phones are out there. But this is the first phone I will keep for a two full years, which is amazing. Believe me, I look at specs of other phones, but the combination of what this phone has still satisfies me.
IF for the Quark successor Kinzie (Moto X Force, Droid Turbo 2), Motorola would have added rear camera OIS and stereo speakers, I would have jumped. But instead they went with silly plastic film "scratchless" gimmick -- and made the battery smaller.
If Google would have made the 2015 5.2" Nexus LG 5X a true top-tier phone -- with 1440p, 3GB RAM and also had Qi wireless (like the 2013 LG Nexus 5), I would have gone back to Nexus. Instead they made the more reasonable size phone a "mid tier" phone, while keeping phablet 5.7" with top tier specs (and even that doesn't have Qi wireless).
5.1- 5.3" is the "sweet spot" for mainstream populace. Even LG went back down to 5.3" display and Samsung has stayed with 5.1" for at least 3 generations for their mainstream Galaxy flagship. You can have a larger phablet (like the Note), if you also make the mainstream size with top tier specs.
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Our dream phone would be april folls xda joke, the xda labphone.
Unfortunatelly, it was just a dream.
And yes, I have my quark for more than a year and it is already showing its age as the battery doesn't last anything closer to a day and I am already thinking in moving on to another phone in a couple of months.
ChazzMatt said:
I disagree. It's still one of the best phones out there.
5.2", 1440p AMOLED display (fantastic colors, Apple's iPhone 7 is rumored to be switching to AMOLED. We already have it.)
3G RAM
Snapdragon 805
21 megapixel camera
64GB internal memory
Qi wireless charging
Turbo charging
3900 mAh battery
There's only a few phones that match or exceed that. The 2015 Nexus phones don't even have Qi wireless charging. I was a Nexus fanboi for years, but Google has lost their way on Nexus phones. The LG 5X this year only has 1080p and 2GB RAM. The Nexus Huawei 6P doesn't have features this Quark has and is STILL too big, at 5.7".
I had a 2015 LG G4 I won for FREE in a contest, and I sold it to keep this phone. I even bought a 3rd XT1225, just in case something happened to mine and my wife's XT1225 phones.
As far as specs, only with the new 2016 Snapdragon 820 phones do we have some real competition (like the Galaxy S7, where Samsung increased the battery size and uses the Snapdragon 820). All the 2015 phones used either the problematic Snapdragon 810 or the slower 808. Benchmarks on those phones were often LOWER than on our Snapdragon 805.
Not sure by what you mean by lack of development. We have CM12.1, CM13, Mokee ASOP and Resurrection Remix, and custom kernel. Yes, Motorola should be ashamed for slow rollout of both Lollipop and Marshmallow to one of their still-best phones. I will criticize them forever for that. Motorola should also be ashamed for not rolling this phone out to all countries. It's what the 2014 Moto X should have been, instead of copycat of the 2013 LG G2 copycat it was. The 2014 Quark and Shamu (Nexus 6) were the first two real top tier phones Motorola has released that could compete equally with LG and Samsung top tier phones... (and the Nexus 6 was too big.) But dev work on this phone has been outstanding.
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So can I ask is the 1225 non international is an "Obake" rather than quark? Which one has a bootloader that can be unlocked through Motorola website or other utilities?
Thanks
bigjailerman said:
So can I ask is the 1225 non international is an "Obake" rather than quark? Which one has a bootloader that can be unlocked through Motorola website or other utilities?
Thanks
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what's an obake?
Quark is the code name for our device. XT1225/XT1250/XT1254.
Verizon's is the XT1254, and is identical to the U.S.MOTO MAXX XT1250 in every way, including the FCC ID and radio bands (CDMA/LTE,etc). Except, Verizon had Motorola lock down the bootloader.
The XT1225 and XT1250 can be unlocked via Motorola website code, for free.
"International" XT1225 has same hardware as the XT1254/XT1250, but has different radio bands -- so different FCC ID. No CDMA, more HSPA bands, more LTE bands (2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17), but not LTE 13 (Verizon). Sold under the "Moto Turbo" and "Moto Maxx" names, depending on where you buy it.
The Quarks were basically the 5.2" version of the Moto Nexus 6, minus stereo speakers and rear camera OIS -- but having a much larger battery (3900 mAh).
Verizon tried to claim the "Droid Turbo" was exclusive, but they lied. Even the "Turbo" name was used by Motorola for another Quark. (The XT1250 was exactly the same device Verizon sells as the Droid Turbo XT1254.)
bigjailerman said:
So can I ask is the 1225 non international is an "Obake" rather than quark? Which one has a bootloader that can be unlocked through Motorola website or other utilities?
Thanks
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Obake was the phone previous to quark. Obake were the droid maxx droid ultra and droid mini they are only unlockable if you can get one that was not updated to 4.4.4 only previous Android versions are unlockable on those phones via sunshine. The quark phones which are the Moto maxx Moto turbo and droid turbo are as of know all unlockable via either Motorola website for all but droid turbo, the droid turbo specifically can only be unlocked via sunshine app
ChazzMatt said:
I disagree. It's still one of the best phones out there.
5.2", 1440p AMOLED display (fantastic colors, Apple's iPhone 7 is rumored to be switching to AMOLED. We already have it.)
3G RAM
Snapdragon 805
21 megapixel camera
64GB internal memory
Qi wireless charging
Turbo charging
3900 mAh battery
There's only a few phones that match or exceed that. The 2015 Nexus phones don't even have Qi wireless charging. I was a Nexus fanboi for years, but Google has lost their way on Nexus phones. The LG 5X this year only has 1080p and 2GB RAM. The Nexus Huawei 6P doesn't have features this Quark has and is STILL too big, at 5.7".
I had a 2015 LG G4 I won for FREE in a contest, and I sold it to keep this phone. I even bought a 3rd XT1225, just in case something happened to mine and my wife's XT1225 phones.
As far as specs, only with the new 2016 Snapdragon 820 phones do we have some real competition (like the Galaxy S7, where Samsung increased the battery size and uses the Snapdragon 820). All the 2015 phones used either the problematic Snapdragon 810 or the slower 808. Benchmarks on those phones were often LOWER than on our Snapdragon 805.
Not sure by what you mean by lack of development. We have CM12.1, CM13, Mokee ASOP and Resurrection Remix, and custom kernel. Yes, Motorola should be ashamed for slow rollout of both Lollipop and Marshmallow to one of their still-best phones. I will criticize them forever for that. Motorola should also be ashamed for not rolling this phone out to all countries. It's what the 2014 Moto X should have been, instead of copycat of the 2013 LG G2 copycat it was. The 2014 Quark and Shamu (Nexus 6) were the first two real top tier phones Motorola has released that could compete equally with LG and Samsung top tier phones... (and the Nexus 6 was too big.) But dev work on this phone has been outstanding.
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ChazzMatt said:
what's an obake?
Quark is the code name for our device. XT1225/XT1250/XT1254.
Verizon's is the XT1254, and is identical to the U.S.MOTO MAXX XT1250 in every way, including the FCC ID and radio bands (CDMA/LTE,etc). Except, Verizon had Motorola lock down the bootloader.
The XT1225 and XT1250 can be unlocked via Motorola website code, for free.
"International" XT1225 has same hardware as the XT1254/XT1250, but has different radio bands -- so different FCC ID. No CDMA, more HSPA bands, more LTE bands (2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17), but not LTE 13 (Verizon). Sold under the "Moto Turbo" and "Moto Maxx" names, depending on where you buy it.
The Quarks were basically the 5.2" version of the Moto Nexus 6, minus stereo speakers and rear camera OIS -- but having a much larger battery (3900 mAh).
Verizon tried to claim the "Droid Turbo" was exclusive, but they lied. Even the "Turbo" name was used by Motorola for another Quark. (The XT1250 was exactly the same device Verizon sells as the Droid Turbo XT1254.)
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So here is probably a dumb question but here it goes.. I am not seeing MOTO MAXX or XT1225 at all. I dont know what I am missing here. https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/home/action/add
Should I be looking somewhere else. I apologize Ive been away from Motorola since my Razr M. Currently I am currently on a Xiaomi Mi3 on CM13 and that is what I want to do for my newly purhcased Moto Maxx xt1225 (Puerto Rico)
Thank you
EDIT
I SEE MY ERROR, I WAS LOOKING FOR THE PHONE DISPLAYED BUT EVIDENTLY I NEED TO COMPLETE THE ADB BOOTLAODER KEY..
SORRY GUYS
One thing to watch out for if you have the ballistic nylon version. If you keep your phone in your back pocket and fart a lot. The phone starts to smell like ass