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First off this isn't a guide about how to make your battery last longer between charges, at least it isn't yet. If a demand arises I will happily facilitate. *EDIT* For simplicity's sake I am including a link to V7's battery guide which addresses increasing the time between charges. ✭[GUIDE][26-07-2016]Extreme Battery Life Thread(Greenify+Amplify+Power Nap)✭This guide is about reducing wear that happens from many thing we all either knowingly do; out of a possible misunderstanding, or ignorance. All of this information is available doing a simple Google search, I am posting it here though for those who otherwise would not think to Google it. Furthermore I claim credit for absolutely none of this, but I do hope you find it helpful.
HOW TO PROLONG YOUR Li-Ion BATTERY'S LIFE
1) Keep your battery at room temperature: Heat is the worst enemy of your cell phones battery. So keeping your battery at room temperature (65-75*F) is the first step towards prolonging your battery's life. According to Battery University
each 8°C (15°F) rise in temperature cuts the life of a sealed lead acid battery in half.
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They also go on further adding
Once the battery is damaged by heat, the capacity cannot be restored.
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There are many things you can do to keep your battery cooler, such as taking it off the charger when the phone is done charging, and avoiding prolonged continuous usage. Also avoid leaving your phone in your car, it gets upwards of 140* in a car during the summer. The worst thing that can happen to a Li-Ion battery is a full charge and high heat, so avoid charging your phone until your car has cooled off if you are charging your battery in the car. Heat is by far the greatest factor when it comes to reducing the lifespan of a Li-Ion battery.
2) Use partial-discharge cycles: According to lancair.net
Using only 20% or 30% of the battery capacity before recharging will extend cycle life considerably
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Other sites I read while researching this stated that users should use up to 80% of their energy before recharging, they were all consistent with regards to a few things including: avoiding full discharges will prolong battery life, and it takes several partial charges to use one full charge cycle. Additionally Li-Ion batteries do not have "charge memory", but your digital device most likely does. Discharging the battery until cut off after every 30 charge cycles re calibrates the devices gauge.
3) Avoid keeping your battery at 100%: Every source I referenced for this guide said the same thing about keeping your battery at a full capacity, but oranageinks.com explains it most simply by stating
Permanent capacity loss is greatest at elevated temperatures with the battery voltage maintained at maximum (fully charged).
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4) If you are going to store your battery for an extended period store it at about 50% charged: This goes hand-in-hand with number 3. Also keeping the battery cool during extended storage will slow deterioration. Keeping the battery in a sealed bag or tupperware in your refrigerator is okay, but storing your battery in the freezer is not. When a battery is fully charged oxidation is occurring at its highest rate, and oxidation is essential corrosion. Oxidation occurs whether the battery is in use or not, for this reason it is better to get a high capacity battery rather than a spare. So with this said it almost should go without saying that if you can, buy batteries with a recent manufacture date.
5) Avoid completely discharging your battery: Lancair.com states:
Very deep discharges will quickly, permanently damage a Li-ion battery. Internal metal plating can occur causing a short circuit, making the battery unusable and unsafe. Most Li-ion batteries have protection circuitry within their battery packs that open the battery connection if the battery voltage is less than 2.5 V or exceeds 4.3 V, or if the battery current exceeds a predefined threshold level when charging or is charging
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now that explain why my battery drain so fast,my phone temperature is a bit high these days,thank you :good
I decrease my battry drain with installing som suitable kernal
this way realy effective in my device battry mangement
You're absolutely right, and you hit the nail on the head,
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realy[sic] effective in my device battry[sic] mangement
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But the physical battery itself needs care too. Device battery management is more related to how much power the CPU sees that the device has. Understanding how a Li-Ion battery works is kinda important at this point. So basically the positive electrode is made of Lithium cobalt oxide (cathode), or LiCoO2. The negative electrode is made of carbon (anode). When the battery is charging, ions of lithium move through the electrolyte from the positive electrode to the negative electrode and attach to the carbon. During discharge, the lithium ions move back to the LiCoO2 from the carbon. Over time the Lithium ions bond to the carbon thereby restricting the flow, creating resistance which decreases the battery's ability to deliver current. So properly caring for your battery is really the only thing that will slow the inevitable. Its kinda the same thing for a car...all cars eventually die, but if you take care of them they will last much longer than if you neglect them.
Thanks for this. It's not the usually same guide for battery improvementent.
My battery life got a little better.
Thanks mate, that's some good information.
Hi.
Just wondering:
in "5) Avoid completely discharging your battery"
Most battery calibration softwares say you SHOULD fully discharge your battery then fully charge it for a good calibration.
So, someone like me, who likes to try new roms, new nightlys all the time, are "slowly" burning the battery to ashes by calibrating it after every flash.
It looks like running the processor faster than specified (overclocking) can result in higher temperatures inside the device and faster battery wear as a result.
azraelus said:
Hi.
Just wondering:
in "5) Avoid completely discharging your battery"
Most battery calibration softwares say you SHOULD fully discharge your battery then fully charge it for a good calibration.
So, someone like me, who likes to try new roms, new nightlys all the time, are "slowly" burning the battery to ashes by calibrating it after every flash.
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YES you are slowly burning the battery out, by draining it after every flash. The battery is going to die inevitably anyways though, most of the sources I found suggest doing a "full drain" every 30 charge cycles. Perhaps this is when you should go ahead and do your battery calibration. Also a full drain is not exactly self-explanatory in this case. Your device may say that a battery has 1% of its energy left and to an extent it does, but the battery is designed to cut off before it gets too hot or too low. If you have a tendency to cut your phone back on after it dies then you will deplete the battery completely, possibly resulting in permanent damage.
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It looks like running the processor faster than specified (overclocking) can result in higher temperatures inside the device and faster battery wear as a result.
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Yes O/C can raise temperatures of the device. Certain kernels run a little hotter than others. My device is currently O/C'd and isn't any hotter than normal when I am not using the device due to CPU governors and what not, and its only marginally hotter than it is when at the stock clock speed. Prolonged heavy use takes a toll on the battery, due to the heat its creating. Also don't let the little bit of heat increase stop you from O/C'ing your device. Many manufacturers use the same cpu with different clock speeds, EX Snapdragon S3 chip is used in the EVO 3D @ 1.2GHz, and the HTC Rezound @ 1.5GHZ from the factory. This is done to reduce power consumption on power hungry phones or to extend the life of a cpu that has proven itself reliable(such as in the example of the Snapdragon S3)...it also helps to market devices without spending more on development.
Good adwise! :good:
This is all very good advice. A lot of it I knew, but I learned a couple new things as well. Glad to see someone making it more easily available to our community!
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Found this same information when researching my netbook battery.Turns out there is a good reason it will sleep/hybernate/power off at 3 percent, can damage a cell. On the upside this one will charge faster.
Thanks for the information.
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Oh god, by "avoiding keep it at 100%" you mean "don't use it constantly while charging", right?
I have a seriously problem.
Wish I could do something about #1. My phone can get pretty hot when I'm using it and I like to do a lot of things like playing games or dling torrents which gets it toasty.
Will definitely unplug before 100% from now on though. Thanks
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Oh god, by "avoiding keep it at 100%" you mean "don't use it constantly while charging", right?
I have a seriously problem.
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Yea that's pretty much the gist of it...heavy use while charging creates even more heat than just heavy use or just charging. Since doing the research for this thread I've been doing things a little differently myself. Instead of leaving it on the charger most of the day I charge it at night and use it til about 50% then charge it up to 80%...it may be in my head but I highly doubt it. Doing as I described I have had 1 full charge (from 40% to 100%) and a top off charge (50% to 80%) and my device has been on since yesterday morning (so 36 hours+ with only a 30% top off charge). This is with moderate use, and my phone is currently at 70%...MUCH better than before though.
This guide is still meant more for longer term physical battery care, but it appears to have helped extend time between charges.
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Wish I could do something about #1. My phone can get pretty hot when I'm using it and I like to do a lot of things like playing games or dling torrents which gets it toasty.
Will definitely unplug before 100% from now on though. Thanks
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Try a different kernel, or underclocking your phone, that should help with the heat.
Thanks, I'll keep this in mind!
Thanks for the advice, but i thought discharge it completely wont do any harm to the battery since the protection circuit will stop at around 3..0-3.4 mV?
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Thanks for the advice, but i thought discharge it completely wont do any harm to the battery since the protection circuit will stop at around 3..0-3.4 mV?
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That is about the point the device will cut off, but if you turn it back on like I used to until the device won't turn back on that's when the battery is completely discharged. Battery University goes on to say
Each cycle wears the battery down by a small amount. A partial discharge before charge is better than a full discharge. Apply a deliberate full discharge only to calibrate a smart battery and to prevent “memory” on a nickel-based pack.
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Link to article HERE
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i wish there's a way to stop charging once it reaches 85-95% like my laptop...
I read that a battery will last longer if you don't let it get below 40%, and full discharges are bad for the longevity. Is this true? Here is a good read on the subject. http://batteryuniversity.com/index.php/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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I read that a battery will last longer if you don't let it get below 40%, and full discharges are bad for the longevity. Is this true? Here is a good read on the subject. http://batteryuniversity.com/index.php/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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that is true. the affect is probably minimal though(like we probably lose .7% of our battery per month if dont let it get low before charging it, instead of the typical 1% per month)
i get through half of my day with about 50% battery less, sometimes more. so i've made it a habit of charging it once i see it's around this 50% mark.
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I read that a battery will last longer if you don't let it get below 40%, and full discharges are bad for the longevity. Is this true? Here is a good read on the subject. http://batteryuniversity.com/index.php/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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The effect is accelerated/more pronounced below 20%...
Here is the good thing though... These phone's minimum operating voltage is higher than the minimum voltage of a Li ION battery. Using standard battery life measurements, the 0% according to the phone, is about 20% of standard.
Should you do a full discharge every now and then in order to calibrate the battery? I haven't been able to find a definitive answer on this in other related threads. Some say you should, some say it's not necessary since the battery doesn't have memory cells. I have never let my battery get below 50% and everything seems to work fine but it does seem to make sense to do a full discharge from time to time so the battery knows its capacity.
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Should you do a full discharge every now and then in order to calibrate the battery? I haven't been able to find a definitive answer on this in other related threads. Some say you should, some say it's not necessary since the battery doesn't have memory cells. I have never let my battery get below 50% and everything seems to work fine but it does seem to make sense to do a full discharge from time to time so the battery knows its capacity.
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Li-ON battery's do not need to be calibrated. that was only with old battery tech such as Ni-Cad or NIMH
I let mine get low all the time I use my phone a lot. Hopefully its not to expensive to replace battery since Google thinks that replacing a battery is to complicated for us tech savvy people
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I don't worry about it. I charge it overnight. If I've over used it in the day and I feel it will die before bed, i'll top it up but not to protect the battery. Just to ensure I can use my phone.
If they wanted you to do anything special with charging / draining, it would be in the instructions
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Li-ON battery's do not need to be calibrated. that was only with old battery tech such as Ni-Cad or NIMH
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The battery itself does not but occasionally the controller needs a kick in the pants. Deep drains on li-ion should be avoided at all costs. The phone hasn't been out long enough to even think about the sort of problem. But after a couple hundred charges you might see a behavior that will be corrected by one full discharge.
Its not uncommon to see cases where you actually replace the cell behind a controller and the controller not picking up the change in capacity. Never in cell phones mostly laptop battery rebuilds etc but it exhibits an idea of what happens. The battery controller takes note of the original, current maximum and current charge capacity. Not sure how I suppose voltage versus read amp hours. But as a battery gets old you might start seeing the maximum capacity reading fluctuate. But if at any time the actual chemical capacity is higher than the controller thinks it is the controller will prevent the battery from reaching its potential.
Used to have older PSP batteries reach 100% real quick, quick fix was to deep discharge through the controller using a small light bulb. The battery would then take a significant charge and last a few more months before kicking the bucket.
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I read that a battery will last longer if you don't let it get below 40%, and full discharges are bad for the longevity. Is this true? Here is a good read on the subject. http://batteryuniversity.com/index.php/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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40% is a good number for storage, its actually better to store it at 40% than 100%. Actual use 20 to 25% is my personal range but I would say just never let it get below 15%. Lithium Ion does not mind being topped off. Deep discharged will ruin it real quick. My laptop battery lasted 3 years never letting it go below 25%, murdered a cell phone battery once a year letting it die.
I let it go to 1% and turn itself off. Then I charge it back up. But if I know I am going out in the next few hours I charge it as much as I can before I leave.
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Li-ON battery's do not need to be calibrated. that was only with old battery tech such as Ni-Cad or NIMH
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lots of the fuel gauges for these types of batteries do need to be calibrated. this is not true for the N5 though(i think). I want to say i remember reading that this fuel gauge is different, like a 'smart fuel gauge' or something
kmx said:
I let it go to 1% and turn itself off. Then I charge it back up. But if I know I am going out in the next few hours I charge it as much as I can before I leave.
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You shouldn't do that almost ever. And by no means as a regular practice.
Molitro said:
You shouldn't do that almost ever. And by no means as a regular practice.
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Thats what the built in protection is for:
Marine6680 said:
The effect is accelerated/more pronounced below 20%...
Here is the good thing though... These phone's minimum operating voltage is higher than the minimum voltage of a Li ION battery. Using standard battery life measurements, the 0% according to the phone, is about 20% of standard.
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lots of the fuel gauges for these types of batteries do need to be calibrated. this is not true for the N5 though(i think). I want to say i remember reading that this fuel gauge is different, like a 'smart fuel gauge' or something
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Its not any different. as with older battery technologies they would loose capacity until they are calibrated 0% to 100% this is due to the chemistry of the battery
LI-ON battery's have a different chemistry which allows them to store greater capacity without loss like NI-CAD and NIMH did this is why you turn off your phone for a week and turn it on you find it still has about the same battery percentage as you turned it off before.
here's an example of a NI-CAD battery which needs to be calibrated.
You have a drill you haven't used for 3 days it was fully charged before you put it away if you take that same drill 3 days later you'd find it dead. where as LI-ON battery's would still be alive and full capacity. if you charge it from there it wouldn't be calibrated. as calibration requires you to drain the battery 2 times or more till it reaches it full capacity and charge it back up to 100% and repeat.
If you were to do that with a LI-ON battery you're basically doing nothing but wasting your charge cycles on the battery and you could kill it as LI-ON battery's DO NOT LIKE TO BE EMPTY
Because of all that NI-CAD and NIMH mess mostly all power tools you'd find in a shop such as home depot are now equipped with LI-ON battery's as they don't require calibration and can be left for months and it would still have its initial capacity prior to charging because Ni-cad battery's suffer from a memory effect and LI-ON does not, NI-CAD Requires full discharge before recharge LI-ON does not you get the point here right? LI-ON is better!
Now for those apps that claim calibrate the battery they do nothing they just Improve the reading of the software in android to get the battery percentage which is reset every time the battery charges to 100% so in short don't calibrate your battery
You can read more here http://www.diffen.com/difference/Li-ion_vs_NiCad
and watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrcbcm11830
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Its not any different. as with older battery technologies they would loose capacity until they are calibrated 0% to 100% this is due to the chemistry of the battery
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The battery controller is still the source of the problem. If the batteries chemical capacity at a given moment is 1800 mah down from its original 2300 and the charge controller thinks the capacity is 500 the controller will only charge the battery to 500. Most controllers do not act like their dumber counter parts which will trickle or cut off when the cells characteristics indicate it is reaching a full charge.
The controller in these batteries while varying greatly in design all have one thing in common. They are designed for safety. The controller will actually stop accepting a charge forever if the voltage of the cell goes below a certain point. It will also never charge it above the current observed maximum capacity no matter what reality is.
You can poll a battery using vendor specific commands to get the designed, current maximum and current charge. The current maximum charge capacity is a changing value it will change over the life of the battery. This was an aging laptop battery that while the controller knew what the "Full Charge Capacity" was currently it decided not to report that to windows resulting in a hilarious 410%.
But we are talking about a problem that really won't rear its head for 1 or 2 years and were talking about doing it once or twice over the life of the battery. People doing it now and all the time WILL kill the battery very quickly for no benefit.
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Its not any different. as with older battery technologies they would loose capacity until they are calibrated 0% to 100% this is due to the chemistry of the battery
LI-ON battery's have a different chemistry which allows them to store greater capacity without loss like NI-CAD and NIMH did this is why you turn off your phone for a week and turn it on you find it still has about the same battery percentage as you turned it off before.
here's an example of a NI-CAD battery which needs to be calibrated.
You have a drill you haven't used for 3 days it was fully charged before you put it away if you take that same drill 3 days later you'd find it dead. where as LI-ON battery's would still be alive and full capacity. if you charge it from there it wouldn't be calibrated. as calibration requires you to drain the battery 2 times or more till it reaches it full capacity and charge it back up to 100% and repeat.
If you were to do that with a LI-ON battery you're basically doing nothing but wasting your charge cycles on the battery and you could kill it as LI-ON battery's DO NOT LIKE TO BE EMPTY
Because of all that NI-CAD and NIMH mess mostly all power tools you'd find in a shop such as home depot are now equipped with LI-ON battery's as they don't require calibration and can be left for months and it would still have its initial capacity prior to charging because Ni-cad battery's suffer from a memory effect and LI-ON does not, NI-CAD Requires full discharge before recharge LI-ON does not you get the point here right? LI-ON is better!
Now for those apps that claim calibrate the battery they do nothing they just Improve the reading of the software in android to get the battery percentage which is reset every time the battery charges to 100% so in short don't calibrate your battery
You can read more here http://www.diffen.com/difference/Li-ion_vs_NiCad
and watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrcbcm11830
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look man
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Partial discharge on Li-ion is fine; there is no memory and the battery does not need periodic full discharge cycles to prolong life, other than to calibrate the fuel gauge on a smart battery once in a while.
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now believe what you want
Once in a while isn't explicit. The video posted earlier says once a year or so... both of those are "a while" to me
It all depends on the controller and the software but mostly its no longer necessary.
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Molitro said:
You shouldn't do that almost ever. And by no means as a regular practice.
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Thanks for the recommendation.:angel:
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Thats what the built in protection is for:
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Fair enough.
But still doens't seem like a good practice given how the recommendations with this kind of tecnology are usually don't go too low and try to charge at different values, not always plug the charger at the same level.
Li Ion batteries charge to a maximum voltage before the charge stops in a phone or other device that charges while also operating.
To fully charge a Li Ion battery you need to monitor current draw of the battery as it is charging, it drops as the cell reaches saturation. This is difficult to do in an operating circuit... Though the tech may be getting better, as load sharing was not common for charging cell phones a few years ago, but it may now be, I have actually been looking for info on powered device charging, but find little beyond load sharing type.
So the battery in a phone could hold more juice if it was charged out of the device, and more still if the phones could run at the 3v minimum of Li Ion. (min voltage of arm devices is around 3.5v) Load sharing chargers can charge fully though.
Also charge rate affects battery life... slower charging is better for long lifespan. If you overnight charge, use the lowest rated charger you have, or standard USB charging. The current phones come with higher amp chargers now... It really doesn't speed up the overall charge cycle to 100% very much, but it does make charging to 80% quicker. So you can do a quick charge of a low battery to a usable level in a hurry.
Power tools use LiFe chemistry batteries which are more tolerant of abuse and misuse... at the cost of less voltage and capacity and more weight.
I work from home so it's easy for me to top off the phone as needed. I'll usually throw it on the charger for a while around 3-ish PM to make sure that I have a full charge going into the evening since I do a lot of reading on it after the kids are in bed. I'm definitely what you would call an opportunistic charger - there's no need to drain the battery all the way unless you absolutely can't get to a charger. I don't understand why people choose to run their batteries down all the way when they don't have to.
I’m curious about battery health as reported by Accubattery (I can’t find the battery health stat in the phone itself). I’ve had the 4a 5-6 days and the health is at 97% (3048/3140). Is that normal?
I had some issues with battery drain at first, getting around 4.5 hours (a few people here pointed out it’s likely due to it not being on wifi). But I did a factory reset and it seems to be doing better (now I’m on track for ~6).
I‘ve read battery health numbers aren’t super accurate so I imagine some fluctuation is normal. Just trying to verify whether I’ve lost 3% battery life in a week. Thanks!
I bought it a month ago. Holds at 104% for 3 weeks, and recently dropped sharply to 99%. I think you shouldn't believe the program
Li's like being use in their mid range; short midrange cycles/more frequent partial charges.
High cell voltage and high temperatures cause premature wear. Accubattery is encouraging this partial charge strategy although it's not necessary accurate.
Don't charge your battery to 100% very often.
80% is better, 64-70% is best.
Don't discharge past 20%, a low limit of 30-40% is best.
Never charge if battery is below 40F.
Avoid starting a charge if battery is below 72F whenever possible.
Low temp charging can cause Li plating which will permanently degrade the cell.
Avoid charging over 100F.
75-90F is best
Fast charging causes no harm.
cool thanks. accubattery went from 97% to 98% a few days later so I don't think it's super accurate. I've never had it say 100% on this new battery though so I'm worried it's a bit low but oh well. Thanks all.
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cool thanks. accubattery went from 97% to 98% a few days later so I don't think it's super accurate. I've never had it say 100% on this new battery though so I'm worried it's a bit low but oh well. Thanks all.
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First you need to set whatever is the actual capacity of the battery. Accubattery will use the capacity that the Android is reporting, typically 4170 for a 4300 ma battery in the Note 10+ case.
It's wrong; but Android is the culprit in this case.
Accubattery is a very useful apk. It adjustable alert when charged to X% is great. It also logs net power charging/discharging. I use it for battery temp too.
People expect too much out of it.
I doubt it's low, in fact it may well have a slightly higher than rated capacity. Take care of it and you can milk years out of it. Frequent midrange charges, and watch the heat.
If the phone battery temp when using gets into the high 90's, cool it down. I use a damp microfiber cloth or rag.
At a battery temp of 102F I screen off the device.
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Li's like being use in their mid range; short midrange cycles/more frequent partial charges.
High cell voltage and high temperatures cause premature wear. Accubattery is encouraging this partial charge strategy although it's not necessary accurate.
Don't charge your battery to 100% very often.
80% is better, 64-70% is best.
Don't discharge past 20%, a low limit of 30-40% is best.
Never charge if battery is below 40F.
Avoid starting a charge if battery is below 72F whenever possible.
Low temp charging can cause Li plating which will permanently degrade the cell.
Avoid charging over 100F.
75-90F is best
Fast charging causes no harm.
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Info is misleading, outdated (overlooks recent battery refinements) and originally based on much larger packs used in laptops, etc. Mobile devices discharge frequently, rarely spending significant time at high charge levels. Laptops are often tethered to a desk and charger for extended periods.
While there's nothing amiss with avoiding extremes one should not feel compelled to carry around a damp microfiber cloth (lol) to cool the phone when it reaches body temp. Yep, battery capacity may drop 10% over the life of the device by not getting panties in a knot over thermals. It's just a phone ...
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Info is misleading, outdated (overlooks recent battery refinements) and originally based on much larger packs used in laptops, etc. Mobile devices discharge frequently, rarely spending significant time at high charge levels. Laptops are often tethered to a desk and charger for extended periods.
While there's nothing amiss with avoiding extremes one should not feel compelled to carry around a damp microfiber cloth (lol) to cool the phone when it reaches body temp. Yep, battery capacity may drop 10% over the life of the device by not getting panties in a knot over thermals. It's just a phone ...
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This has nothing to do with laptops although on my e6400 you can software disable battery charging at will.
The Li battery weakness is it's user. Any time it's taken to a full charge you are doing substantially more damage than a 64% top off. One full charge cycle vs >1/20% a full charge cycle.
That's a lot of lost life.
You'll get about 2 years out of it or less with your plan if you're a heavy user.
Rather inept management when you could get years more...
blackhawk said:
This has nothing to do with laptops although on my e6400 you can software disable battery charging at will.
The Li battery weakness is it's user. Any time it's taken to a full charge you are doing substantially more damage than a 64% top off. One full charge cycle vs >1/20% a full charge cycle.
That's a lot of lost life.
You'll get about 2 years out of it or less with your plan if you're a heavy user.
Rather inept management when you could get years more...
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We'll agree to disagree on the applicability and merits of aggressive battery management on modern mobile devices. I am quite familiar with the arguments but have no stomach to rehash the details (which matter). Best wishes, mate.
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We'll agree to disagree on the applicability and merits of aggressive battery management on modern mobile devices. I am quite familiar with the arguments but have no stomach to rehash the details (which matter). Best wishes, mate.
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Fair enough... the devil is in the details.
I'll see how my 10+ does. Lol I may end up tearing it down to replace the bloody charging port before the battery needs replacement
A battery replacement isn't the end of the world.
Cheers, mate.
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I bought my phone 4 weeks ago . I am currently using Realme 8 pro.
In accubattery it shows i have 89% battery health. Is accubattery accurate?
It makes me concern why my battery sustaining so fast .
blackhawk said:
Fair enough... the devil is in the details.
I'll see how my 10+ does. Lol I may end up tearing it down to replace the bloody charging port before the battery needs replacement
A battery replacement isn't the end of the world.
Cheers, mate.
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Hi
I bought my phone 4 weeks ago . I am currently using Realme 8 pro.
In accubattery it shows i have 89% battery health. Is accubattery accurate?
It makes me concern why my battery sustaining so fast .
Mi Nabil said:
Hi
I bought my phone 4 weeks ago . I am currently using Realme 8 pro.
In accubattery it shows i have 89% battery health. Is accubattery accurate?
It makes me concern why my battery sustaining so fast .
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Not really. The value it uses is from the Android OS its self which is inaccurate and constant.
In my case it is 4100 mAh.
On my original 4300 mAh battery it was off by 200 mAh, on the replacement 300. Assuming the battery was as speced. It could have even been over the speced value.
Depending on the battery temperature and the charge range Accubatter's estimate can vary by 200 even 300 mAh.
Set it so it will read 100% by entering the value Accubattery thinks it sees when the battery is fully charged. It makes it easier and less dissettling to track
In the course of the battery's life you'll probably end up reloading and losing the data but for short term monitoring it's very useful.
It's logging history is great for quickly spotting excessive battery usage or slow charging. With those considerations in mind it's a useful tool that doesn't consume very battery it's self.
After the Pro version is active I firewall* block it as it is constantly in internet contact otherwise... I don't need that. If you disable Playstore or Google play Services it will revert back to the free version unless firewall blocked I disable the former two most of the time so there's that.
That's my biggest complaint about it.
*Karma Firewall, a great freeware apk that uses almost no battery
Sir in my case it showed accurate capacity of my battery.
When charged my phone first my phone had 99% battery health.
But 4 weeks later it says something 89 percent.
I don't know about battery science. But can you tell me in short is it okay? . Or i should go to coutomer care?
Mi Nabil said:
Sir in my case it showed accurate capacity of my battery.
When charged my phone first my phone had 99% battery health.
But 4 weeks later it says something 89 percent.
I don't know about battery science. But can you tell me in short is it okay? . Or i should go to coutomer care?
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Really I doubt they would accept Accubattery's data.
When your SOT drops significantly and it's not because of excessive battery usage by apk(s), then you know you have a problem.
Heavily used phones will get about 1-2 years of usable battery life. I'll probably replace mine again at the 1 year mark.
If you want it to last longer only charge to 80-90%
Don't discharge below 30%
Li's like frequently midrange charge/discharge cycles. Frequent midrange partial charges prolong their life a lot.
Never charge if below 40°F
Do not charge below 72°F, 85-95F is the optimum start charge temperature.
Do not allow battery temperature to exceed 100F when charging, cool as needed.
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Really I doubt they would accept Accubattery's data.
When your SOT drops significantly and it's not because of excessive battery usage by apk(s), then you know you have a problem.
Heavily used phones will get about 1-2 years of usable battery life. I'll probably replace mine again at the 1 year mark.
If you want it to last longer only charge to 80-90%
Don't discharge below 30%
Li's like frequently midrange charge/discharge cycles. Frequent midrange partial charges prolong their life a lot.
Never charge if below 40°F
Do not charge below 72°F, 85-95F is the optimum start charge temperature.
Do not allow battery temperature to exceed 100F when charging, cool as needed.
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One more question sir.
What is better for battery health charging 20 to 100% once or charging 20 to 80% twice in a day.
blackhawk said:
Really I doubt they would accept Accubattery's data.
When your SOT drops significantly and it's not because of excessive battery usage by apk(s), then you know you have a problem.
Heavily used phones will get about 1-2 years of usable battery life. I'll probably replace mine again at the 1 year mark.
If you want it to last longer only charge to 80-90%
Don't discharge below 30%
Li's like frequently midrange charge/discharge cycles. Frequent midrange partial charges prolong their life a lot.
Never charge if below 40°F
Do not charge below 72°F, 85-95F is the optimum start charge temperature.
Do not allow battery temperature to exceed 100F when charging, cool as needed.
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Sir can you please answer my last question?
That i have qutioned you in previous reply
I have a POCO F3 that I've purchased about a month and half ago. I've dialed the code *#*#6485#*#* to check my battery health by diving the current battery capacity for the factory battery capacity and then by multiplying that result by 100 and it was at 92.7%. Is it normal after about 6 weeks of use with the phone?
crazy_penguin said:
I have a POCO F3 that I've purchased about a month and half ago. I've dialed the code *#*#6485#*#* to check my battery health by diving the current battery capacity for the factory battery capacity and then by multiplying that result by 100 and it was at 92.7%. Is it normal after about 6 weeks of use with the phone?
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Check what cpuz reports. To me that doesn't look normal, something is with the battery sensors. Have you installed any custom kernel or anything that might play with "Advanced Charge Control Interface" ?
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Check what cpuz reports. To me that doesn't look normal, something is with the battery sensors. Have you installed any custom kernel or anything that might play with "Advanced Charge Control Interface" ?
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What is cpuz? I haven't installed anything
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Check what cpuz reports. To me that doesn't look normal, something is with the battery sensors. Have you installed any custom kernel or anything that might play with "Advanced Charge Control Interface" ?
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Oh ok. It's an app. I've installed and this is what appears about my battery's info
@crazy_penguin
IMO you can't compute Battery health at your own - at least not the way you did it. And Android OS also can't.
Battery health - also called battery lifespan - simply tells you amount of time your battery can last until it needs to be replaced / fully recharged.
Battery health always is expressed as estimated time - in hours and minutes, not as percent of whatever.
More info here:
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crazy_penguin said:
I have a POCO F3 that I've purchased about a month and half ago. I've dialed the code *#*#6485#*#* to check my battery health by diving the current battery capacity for the factory battery capacity and then by multiplying that result by 100 and it was at 92.7%. Is it normal after about 6 weeks of use with the phone?
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It's not normal, in that period, it shouldn't decrease a full 2%. Sometimes, a malfunctioning OS may report false calculations.
On my old device, I used two different systems, they showed different calculations of battery health.
One OS showed ~68-67%, the other showed 76.4%. I don't trust calculations anyway.
Mohamedkam000 said:
It's not normal, in that period, it shouldn't decrease a full 2%. Sometimes, a malfunctioning OS may report false calculations.
On my old device, I used two different systems, they showed different calculations of battery health.
One OS showed ~68-67%, the other showed 76.4%. I don't trust calculations anyway.
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Wipe cahce partiton or even do a factroy reset. If you have TWRP check what battery % it shows there.
jwoegerbauer said:
IMO you can't compute Battery health at your own. And Android OS also can't.
Battery health - also called battery lifespan - simply tells you amount of time your battery can last until it needs to be replaced.
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Meh, stop worrying.
An Li useful life is about 200 full charge cycles (0-100%).
Partial midrange charging cycles (40-62%) can yield hundreds even thousands more full charge cycles to the battery's lifespan.
Estimate battery health by SOT and by drain reported overnight.
When your SOT dips much below 80% of it's new capacity, the Li is degraded and at the end of its usable lifespan.
Replace before it fails and damages the phone.
Any battery swelling in a failure.
Cell phone Li's hate high cell voltage, temperatures and high discharge rates.
Keep charge cycles between 40-72% to extend life.
Li's love frequent midrange power cycling.
Avoid discharging below 20% or constantly charging to 100%.
Minimum start charge temp is 72F, 82-92F is best. Low temp charging can cause Li plating.
Never attempt to charge a Li below 40F!!!
If battery temp is exceeding 100F use cooling.
Apps like Accubattery's history logging are useful is seeing actual battery discharge and charging times. Useful is spotting excessive battery drain.
Eventually the battery will need replacement. On a heavily used phone that's 1-2 years.
No big deal... just do it!
Always use a new OEM seal if the phone is watertight.
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Wipe cahce partiton or even do a factroy reset. If you have TWRP check what battery % it shows there.
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Oh don't worry, I never considered this a problem, phone was just fine in everything except at the health calculation.
I'm just showing the OP that maybe it has something to do with the OS.
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Wipe cahce partiton or even do a factroy reset. If you have TWRP check what battery % it shows there.
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how do I wipe cache?
Try discharging until it dies then charge to 100%
Repeat 2 more times to recalibrate the battery % indicator.
Not worth the trouble though...
blackhawk said:
Try discharging until it dies then charge to 100%
Repeat 2 more times to recalibrate the battery % indicator.
Not worth the trouble though...
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so it's not worth doing it? I shouldn't worry about those 93%?
crazy_penguin said:
so it's not worth doing it? I shouldn't worry about those 93%?
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As long it shutdown at 5% and charges to 100% there's nothing that should to be done.
A sudden capacity drop, erratic fast charging indicate a battery failure.
A swollen battery is a failure.
You have none of these symptoms.
it's fine, I agree
I don't think it's typical, what you use it for is dependent? Maybe if intensive video processing and tweaking, playing and watching live?
May Anyone ask how something functions, too? What could I get to learn about the quality and capability of your real battery?
I have always charged my phones to 100%, this 85% thing is very new to me.
I've never heard about it before until I saw it in my S22 ULTRA.
What are the benefits of charging only to 85%? Does it last as much as with 100%?
Does it really recommended to charge it up to 85%? Im not an heavy user, but also I'm not changing my phone once a year, I'm changing it one time in 3-4 years.
Also, I tried to never charge my phone at night, and trying to catch the battery not lower than 10-15 percent to charge.
So basically, it bothers me a little bit in the eye to see that the phone is only about 85%, because that way basically the battery will run out much faster(significantly, yesterday 10% went down in 45 minutes, which means I'll lose 45 minutes from battery usage for nothing).
So, my question is, is it really worth it? Is there a significant difference between the two options? I'd love your help, thank you all!
The 85% is to protect and prolong the battery life. I agree that you will loose 15% of battery time if not charging to 100%. I charge to 100% and when battery is 10 - 15 I charge to full. I guess on the long run it's better for the battery to only charge to 85%, but I change phones every year or 2, so I'm not to worried about prolonging the battery life
Set low limit at 30-40%
Top limit of 72-85% is better.
Li's love frequent midrange power cycling.
Start charge temperature is important to prevent Li plating. Battery should be at least at 72F, 82-90F is better. Cool if charging temperature goes above 99F. Never charge in direct sunlight.
Never attempt to charge at 40F or lower
Avoid having the screen on while changing.
When using, turn phone off if battery temperature reaches 100F or cool it.
Replacing the battery isn't a big deal unless you don't do it on a timely basis. When an Li has reached 80% of it's original capacity it's reached the end of it's useful service life and is degraded.
Degraded Li's are more likely to fail which can heavily damage the phone. Any swelling is a failure replace immediately.
High voltage , temperature and current drain stress the battery. Other than avoiding low temperature charging and going to either low/high extreme voltage ranges constantly I wouldn't worry about it too much.
I now replace my heavily used Note 10+ battery every year or so to avoid another failure, routine maintenance. Batteries are cheap and relatively easy to replace.
blackhawk said:
Set low limit at 30-40%
Top limit of 72-85% is better.
Li's love frequent midrange power cycling.
Start charge temperature is important to prevent Li plating. Battery should be at least at 72F, 82-90F is better. Cool if charging temperature goes above 99F. Never charge in direct sunlight.
Never attempt to charge at 40F or lower
Avoid having the screen on while changing.
When using, turn phone off if battery temperature reaches 100F or cool it.
Replacing the battery isn't a big deal unless you don't do it on a timely basis. When an Li has reached 80% of it's original capacity it's reached the end of it's useful service life and is degraded.
Degraded Li's are more likely to fail which can heavily damage the phone. Any swelling is a failure replace immediately.
High voltage , temperature and current drain stress the battery. Other than avoiding low temperature charging and going to either low/high extreme voltage ranges constantly I wouldn't worry about it too much.
I now replace my heavily used Note 10+ battery every year or so to avoid another failure, routine maintenance. Batteries are cheap and relatively easy to replace.
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So, I understand that it recommended to charge up to 85%? :-D
I searched on google to buy a S22 ultra battery that will keep in home until I need it, but couldn't find one.
maor23 said:
I have always charged my phones to 100%, this 85% thing is very new to me.
I've never heard about it before until I saw it in my S22 ULTRA.
What are the benefits of charging only to 85%? Does it last as much as with 100%?
Does it really recommended to charge it up to 85%? Im not an heavy user, but also I'm not changing my phone once a year, I'm changing it one time in 3-4 years.
Also, I tried to never charge my phone at night, and trying to catch the battery not lower than 10-15 percent to charge.
So basically, it bothers me a little bit in the eye to see that the phone is only about 85%, because that way basically the battery will run out much faster(significantly, yesterday 10% went down in 45 minutes, which means I'll lose 45 minutes from battery usage for nothing).
So, my question is, is it really worth it? Is there a significant difference between the two options? I'd love your help, thank you all!
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If you can last to bedtime on an 85% charge then fine use that setting if you intend to keep the device for 3 years or longer.
If (like me) you need 100% charge to get through the day, continue charging to 100% and dont worry.
I have been using mobile phones for 25 years and I charge overnight as I sleep. I have NEVER had a battery failure or problems.
Life is short, enjoy your new phone
P.S. If you are worried about stressing the battery by charging to 100%, I suggest you also disable Fast-Charging as that is WORSE for a battery cell than 100% vs 85% iMHO.
I used to charge my Note 10+ to 100%, every day plug it while in my car or plug it to my laptop now and then. After 2 years of use battery health was 89%.
On my Lenovo laptop I stop charging at 60% as suggested by Lenovo vantage. Bull****. Battery lasts a lot less after one year. Almost the half.
Enjoy your gadgets and mobiles. Anyway after 2 years most of us get a new one.
blackhawk said:
Set low limit at 30-40%
Top limit of 72-85% is better.
Li's love frequent midrange power cycling.
Start charge temperature is important to prevent Li plating. Battery should be at least at 72F, 82-90F is better. Cool if charging temperature goes above 99F. Never charge in direct sunlight.
Never attempt to charge at 40F or lower
Avoid having the screen on while changing.
When using, turn phone off if battery temperature reaches 100F or cool it.
Replacing the battery isn't a big deal unless you don't do it on a timely basis. When an Li has reached 80% of it's original capacity it's reached the end of it's useful service life and is degraded.
Degraded Li's are more likely to fail which can heavily damage the phone. Any swelling is a failure replace immediately.
High voltage , temperature and current drain stress the battery. Other than avoiding low temperature charging and going to either low/high extreme voltage ranges constantly I wouldn't worry about it too much.
I now replace my heavily used Note 10+ battery every year or so to avoid another failure, routine maintenance. Batteries are cheap and relatively easy to replace.
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how does one set low limit?
i have a smart plug i use for my charger, only on long enough to charge phone from 20% to 85% (battery setting limit enabled).
i usually charge at 30% to 85%.
Slade8525 said:
how does one set low limit?
i have a smart plug i use for my charger, only on long enough to charge phone from 20% to 85% (battery setting limit enabled).
i usually charge at 30% to 85%.
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I just do it by eye. It's not rocket science.
Accubattery lets you set an alarm if you want.
maor23 said:
So, I understand that it recommended to charge up to 85%? :-D
I searched on google to buy a S22 ultra battery that will keep in home until I need it, but couldn't find one.
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Keeping a spare isn't a good plan as Li's start to degrade as soon as assembled. So after a year or more of sitting there it will have lost some of its initial capacity.
They should became easier in the future.
Any solution to modify the protect level?
"protect battery level 90%, 95% mod instead of 85%"
85% seem to be very short time of using
For anybody wanting to change the limit from 85% to lets say 90%, you can use the App called Galaxy Max Hz, you can find it on this forum : https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...ods-qs-tiles-tasker-support-and-more.4404929/
One of the options is to change the battery charge limit, on the lock screen it will still say : "Charging stopped at 85%" even though the battery is at 90% as set in Galaxy Max Hz
coolpixs4 said:
Any solution to modify the protect level?
"protect battery level 90%, 95% mod instead of 85%"
85% seem to be very short time of using
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85% is actually rather on the high side. Either correct the excessive battery drain or replace the battery. When an Li reaches 80% of its original capacity it's reached the end of its usable service life. It's degraded at that point. Degraded Li's are much more likely to fail. Any battery swelling is a failure.
My device does not have 'protect battery' toogle on quick settings
SS22+ OneUI4.1
coolpixs4 said:
Any solution to modify the protect level?
"protect battery level 90%, 95% mod instead of 85%"
85% seem to be very short time of using
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bixby probably
Actually, the protection level should be 80% or less to maximize the battery’s useful life.
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bixby probably
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coolpixs4 said:
Any solution to modify the protect level?
"protect battery level 90%, 95% mod instead of 85%"
85% seem to be very short time of using
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For anybody wanting to change the limit from 85% to lets say 90%, you can use the App called Galaxy Max Hz, you can find it on this forum : https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...ods-qs-tiles-tasker-support-and-more.4404929/
One of the options is to change the battery charge limit, on the lock screen it will still say : "Charging stopped at 85%" even though the battery is at 90% as set in Galaxy Max Hz
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freco said:
I used to charge my Note 10+ to 100%, every day plug it while in my car or plug it to my laptop now and then. After 2 years of use battery health was 89%.
On my Lenovo laptop I stop charging at 60% as suggested by Lenovo vantage. Bull****. Battery lasts a lot less after one year. Almost the half.
Enjoy your gadgets and mobiles. Anyway after 2 years most of us get a new one.
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I use the 60% protection on my Lenovo as they suggested and gess what, after 8 years my battery still works fine, and lasts for 2h/3h. I used my laptop every workday on heavy use, and it's the most cheap line, it cost me 300€ in 2015 (Lenovo G50-30 Celeron N2840). It's all day pluged, but when i need to use on battery it's fine!
So i realy think this battery protection works, and my S22 Ultra it's for last at least 5 years, and the 85% it's enough to run my workday.
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I use the 60% protection on my Lenovo as they suggested and gess what, after 8 years my battery still works fine, and lasts for 2h/3h. I used my laptop every workday on heavy use, and it's the most cheap line, it cost me 300€ in 2015 (Lenovo G50-30 Celeron N2840). It's all day pluged, but when i need to use on battery it's fine!
So i realy think this battery protection works, and my S22 Ultra it's for last at least 5 years, and the 85% it's enough to run my workday.
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Maybe. Depends on usage. On my N10+ which is heavily used with frequent charge cycling from 40-60% to 72 to 85% most times I get about 2 years out of a battery. Higher battery temperature shortens the lifespan as well. Fast charging is more stressful as is using the device right after a fast charge. High current drain while in use is also stressful; optimize the device to increase SOT and battery lifespan.
Frequent partial charge power cycling can extent the typical 200 full charge cycles to 800 or more. A partial charge is not a full charge cycle.
Start charge temperature matters.
It's an electrochemical reaction, heat is required for it to charge properly!
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Never attempt to charge if near freezing
Fast charging will not engage if battery temperature is below about 55F to protect the battery.
Charging below 72F or above 103F can cause Li plating which will permanently degrade the cell.
Optimum start temperature is 82-90F, cutoff is 100-102F max. Cool if needed.
Regardless of service time replace the Li when it reaches 80% of its original capacity. At 80% it's reached the end of its service life and is considered degraded. Degraded Li's are more likely to fail
Any swelling is a failure and it can destroy the device. Battery replacement isn't hard or expensive. Just part of routine maintenance...
maor23 said:
I have always charged my phones to 100%, this 85% thing is very new to me.
I've never heard about it before until I saw it in my S22 ULTRA.
What are the benefits of charging only to 85%? Does it last as much as with 100%?
Does it really recommended to charge it up to 85%? Im not an heavy user, but also I'm not changing my phone once a year, I'm changing it one time in 3-4 years.
Also, I tried to never charge my phone at night, and trying to catch the battery not lower than 10-15 percent to charge.
So basically, it bothers me a little bit in the eye to see that the phone is only about 85%, because that way basically the battery will run out much faster(significantly, yesterday 10% went down in 45 minutes, which means I'll lose 45 minutes from battery usage for nothing).
So, my question is, is it really worth it? Is there a significant difference between the two options? I'd love your help, thank you all!
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Here is a good article why it's recommended to not load the batt to 100%
How to maximize battery life: Charging habits and other tips
If you've ever wondered what the best way to charge your battery is, here are some scientifically proven tips for maximizing battery life.
www.androidauthority.com
Personally i just keep the load between 65% and around 20-30%. Only if i know that i will leave the house longer than 4 hours I do a 85% load or 100% if i want to film and take photos. But this rarely happens.