Battery health at 92,7% after 6 weeks - is it normal? - General Questions and Answers

I have a POCO F3 that I've purchased about a month and half ago. I've dialed the code *#*#6485#*#* to check my battery health by diving the current battery capacity for the factory battery capacity and then by multiplying that result by 100 and it was at 92.7%. Is it normal after about 6 weeks of use with the phone?

crazy_penguin said:
I have a POCO F3 that I've purchased about a month and half ago. I've dialed the code *#*#6485#*#* to check my battery health by diving the current battery capacity for the factory battery capacity and then by multiplying that result by 100 and it was at 92.7%. Is it normal after about 6 weeks of use with the phone?
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Check what cpuz reports. To me that doesn't look normal, something is with the battery sensors. Have you installed any custom kernel or anything that might play with "Advanced Charge Control Interface" ?

LAST_krypton said:
Check what cpuz reports. To me that doesn't look normal, something is with the battery sensors. Have you installed any custom kernel or anything that might play with "Advanced Charge Control Interface" ?
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What is cpuz? I haven't installed anything

LAST_krypton said:
Check what cpuz reports. To me that doesn't look normal, something is with the battery sensors. Have you installed any custom kernel or anything that might play with "Advanced Charge Control Interface" ?
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Oh ok. It's an app. I've installed and this is what appears about my battery's info

@crazy_penguin
IMO you can't compute Battery health at your own - at least not the way you did it. And Android OS also can't.
Battery health - also called battery lifespan - simply tells you amount of time your battery can last until it needs to be replaced / fully recharged.
Battery health always is expressed as estimated time - in hours and minutes, not as percent of whatever.
More info here:
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crazy_penguin said:
I have a POCO F3 that I've purchased about a month and half ago. I've dialed the code *#*#6485#*#* to check my battery health by diving the current battery capacity for the factory battery capacity and then by multiplying that result by 100 and it was at 92.7%. Is it normal after about 6 weeks of use with the phone?
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It's not normal, in that period, it shouldn't decrease a full 2%. Sometimes, a malfunctioning OS may report false calculations.
On my old device, I used two different systems, they showed different calculations of battery health.
One OS showed ~68-67%, the other showed 76.4%. I don't trust calculations anyway.

Mohamedkam000 said:
It's not normal, in that period, it shouldn't decrease a full 2%. Sometimes, a malfunctioning OS may report false calculations.
On my old device, I used two different systems, they showed different calculations of battery health.
One OS showed ~68-67%, the other showed 76.4%. I don't trust calculations anyway.
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Wipe cahce partiton or even do a factroy reset. If you have TWRP check what battery % it shows there.

jwoegerbauer said:
IMO you can't compute Battery health at your own. And Android OS also can't.
Battery health - also called battery lifespan - simply tells you amount of time your battery can last until it needs to be replaced.
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Meh, stop worrying.
An Li useful life is about 200 full charge cycles (0-100%).
Partial midrange charging cycles (40-62%) can yield hundreds even thousands more full charge cycles to the battery's lifespan.
Estimate battery health by SOT and by drain reported overnight.
When your SOT dips much below 80% of it's new capacity, the Li is degraded and at the end of its usable lifespan.
Replace before it fails and damages the phone.
Any battery swelling in a failure.
Cell phone Li's hate high cell voltage, temperatures and high discharge rates.
Keep charge cycles between 40-72% to extend life.
Li's love frequent midrange power cycling.
Avoid discharging below 20% or constantly charging to 100%.
Minimum start charge temp is 72F, 82-92F is best. Low temp charging can cause Li plating.
Never attempt to charge a Li below 40F!!!
If battery temp is exceeding 100F use cooling.
Apps like Accubattery's history logging are useful is seeing actual battery discharge and charging times. Useful is spotting excessive battery drain.
Eventually the battery will need replacement. On a heavily used phone that's 1-2 years.
No big deal... just do it!
Always use a new OEM seal if the phone is watertight.

LAST_krypton said:
Wipe cahce partiton or even do a factroy reset. If you have TWRP check what battery % it shows there.
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Oh don't worry, I never considered this a problem, phone was just fine in everything except at the health calculation.
I'm just showing the OP that maybe it has something to do with the OS.

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Wipe cahce partiton or even do a factroy reset. If you have TWRP check what battery % it shows there.
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how do I wipe cache?

Try discharging until it dies then charge to 100%
Repeat 2 more times to recalibrate the battery % indicator.
Not worth the trouble though...

blackhawk said:
Try discharging until it dies then charge to 100%
Repeat 2 more times to recalibrate the battery % indicator.
Not worth the trouble though...
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so it's not worth doing it? I shouldn't worry about those 93%?

crazy_penguin said:
so it's not worth doing it? I shouldn't worry about those 93%?
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As long it shutdown at 5% and charges to 100% there's nothing that should to be done.
A sudden capacity drop, erratic fast charging indicate a battery failure.
A swollen battery is a failure.
You have none of these symptoms.

it's fine, I agree

I don't think it's typical, what you use it for is dependent? Maybe if intensive video processing and tweaking, playing and watching live?
May Anyone ask how something functions, too? What could I get to learn about the quality and capability of your real battery?

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Battery recalibration after ROM update

http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/nexus-one-faq-how-tos/5625-calibrate-your-battery.html
RECALIBRATION:
A recalibration is mostly needed, when dealing with different kernels (ROOT!). Most custom recovery images provide the option "battery stats wipe" under the menue "Wipe".
Here is how ya do it!
1. Enter Recovery Mode
3. Enter "Advanced"-Menue
4. do "Wipe Battery stats"
5. reboot
Calibrate the battery by completely draining it until the phone completely shuts itself off.
Turn the phone on again and let it shut itself off one more time.
Then charge your phone while it is off for over 8 hours.
This will fully charge the battery so that when the Android is turned on, it now sees the battery as full.
It is recommended to repeat this process at least one more time.
You should see a significant increase in your battery’s charge life.
Calibration of a battery can be done at any point and a maintenance calibration is recommended every month.
Thanks for this useful guide
Hi,
Your posted information doesn't sound true for me. Why should recalibrating increase the battery life? The battery is full when the end voltage is reached an no more charge can be taken (4,2v @ lipo) and it is empty if the minimum allowed voltage is reached (should be with Deffy's technology 2,8v?). So why should recalibrating increase battery life?
Greetings, Jo
DOCIOHN said:
Hi,
Your posted information doesn't sound true for me. Why should recalibrating increase the battery life? The battery is full when the end voltage is reached an no more charge can be taken (4,2v @ lipo) and it is empty if the minimum allowed voltage is reached (should be with Deffy's technology 2,8v?). So why should recalibrating increase battery life?
Greetings, Jo
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It's well known that this procedure will indeed produce better battery performance. Most devices have a similar procedure. Even HTC has given some calibration procedures in order to improve battery performance.
How do you enter Advanced Recovery? I can get my phone into recovery but that's all.
tim440 said:
How do you enter Advanced Recovery? I can get my phone into recovery but that's all.
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Hey,
You have to user Clockwork MOD recovery, and then when inside it go to Advanced, and you will see the battery wipe option.
cheers
DOCIOHN said:
Hi,
Your posted information doesn't sound true for me. Why should recalibrating increase the battery life? The battery is full when the end voltage is reached an no more charge can be taken (4,2v @ lipo) and it is empty if the minimum allowed voltage is reached (should be with Deffy's technology 2,8v?). So why should recalibrating increase battery life?
Greetings, Jo
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lion battery recalibration/recondition was already there long before android even existed...
Since I flashed several ROMs I tried this and I am happy! Battery consumption seems to be better after this workaround. I'm on 1.3 Ghz @ 72 Vsel with my Defy and easily reach an uptime of 2 days, mostly a bit more..
Thanks again!
There will be almost no impact on total runtime, just the percentage meter can become more accurate by "calibrating" the battery. In addition to a complete discharge (I do not encourage you to discharge more than ONE auto-off, you shorten the battery life by discharging below 3.0 V) you need to have a nearly constand discharge current on most phones for this calibration to become really accurate.
What is the effect? Well, not much. Your phone just knows better how much battery is left, so maybe the "empty batt" message @15% comes later. The usage time and the auto-off threshold are not impacted at all.
When we are talking about a battery that has been put away for months without use, you may be right. One charge-discharge-charge cycle may bring back some capacity. But this is not true for any regularly used battery.
If you care about battery life time (in months/years, not a single charge): Charging above 4,0 V has a great negative impact on it; Constantly holding the charge @ 3,5-4,0V may nearly double the life of a battery but you can only use about 50% of its capacity this way.
I'm not sure if calibration/full discharge is necessary/recommended. From many readings calibration is not necessary for lithium battery. Actually it is recommended against full discharge as lithium battery has limited full discharge/recharge cycles.
after doing research on all methods to recallibrate checking pros and cons finally i got the answer brothers...its very simple no need for cwm or drain full abttery kill your batery download recallibrate delete batterystat.bin....all fake bother....just do a simple step remove your battery for 2-5 minutes and than on it....you are recalibrated....simple
galaxyfitankit said:
after doing research on all methods to recallibrate checking pros and cons finally i got the answer brothers...its very simple no need for cwm or drain full abttery kill your batery download recallibrate delete batterystat.bin....all fake bother....just do a simple step remove your battery for 2-5 minutes and than on it....you are recalibrated....simple
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See this screenshot.........i am charging my cell and it is showing also its charging but not even d graph nor the battery icon is increasing .
Seriously help me
see this sir...i hopwe u can help anything in this:crying:
abhinavvaidya90 said:
See this screenshot.........i am charging my cell and it is showing also its charging but not even d graph nor the battery icon is increasing .
Seriously help me
see this sir...i hopwe u can help anything in this:crying:
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take out battery for about 10 minutes. And then try to charge again.
If you will see same problem i think you need to buy new battery.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1443108
This is firmware problem format your phone and than it will be fine or go to stock firmware
galaxyfitankit said:
This is firmware problem format your phone and than it will be fine or go to stock firmware
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i did but to no vail
then buy a new battery ?
buy i new battery bro...and if warranty left than go to service centre the problem also ...is your battery swelled up kya?

The CORRECT way to Calibrate Battery

What is honestly the CORRECT way to do this?
I've seen some which says:
1. "Completely Drain your battery -> Wipe Battery stats -> Charge to full"
and some other who says:
2. "Complete Drain -> Charge to full -> Wipe battery stats -> Drain your battery -> charge to full"
and there are also a few who says:
3. Charge to full -> wipe battery stats -> drain -> charge to full
A little confused here
Also, is it absolutely necessary to calibrate everytime we flash a new ROM or Kernel? Or is it more of a "suggested" kind of thing?
Step 3 is best. Charging to full then wiping the stats will make the os know at which voltage the battery is charged to full, and then draining it till it turns off will tell the os at which voltage it is drained out.
Li-on batteries arent meant to be fully drained and they dont develop memory. Draining below 15% is not recommended
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
Over-discharging Lithium-ion
Li-ion should never be discharged too low, and there are several safeguards to prevent this from happening. The equipment cuts off when the battery discharges to about 3.0V/cell, stopping the current flow. If the discharge continues to about 2.70V/cell or lower, the battery’s protection circuit puts the battery into a sleep mode. This renders the pack unserviceable and a recharge with most chargers is not possible. To prevent a battery from falling asleep, apply a partial charge before a long storage period.
Battery manufacturers ship batteries with a 40 percent charge. The low charge state reduces aging-related stress while allowing some self-discharge during storage. To minimize the current flow for the protection circuit before the battery is sold, advanced Li-ion packs feature a sleep mode that disables the protection circuit until activated by a brief charge or discharge. Once engaged, the battery remains operational and the on state can no longer be switched back to the standby mode.
Do not recharge lithium-ion if a cell has stayed at or below 1.5V for more than a week. Copper shunts may have formed inside the cells that can lead to a partial or total electrical short. If recharged, the cells might become unstable, causing excessive heat or showing other anomalies. Li-ion packs that have been under stress are more sensitive to mechanical abuse, such as vibration, dropping and exposure to heat.
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I think 3rd is better..
still confuse then...
shud u calibrate the battery if ur unrooted and on stock ???
rrohanjs said:
shud u calibrate the battery if ur unrooted and on stock ???
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Don't think you can if u're unrooted
hellcatt said:
Li-on batteries arent meant to be fully drained and they dont develop memory. Draining below 15% is not recommended
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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Yes that is correct, discharging it a full cycle below 15% is not healthy for the battery, IF you do it very often. If you read it further in the article it states that you should and can re-calibrate the statistics every 40 partial charges or 3 months. Discharging it a full one cycle every now and then is OK. Not every week!
source: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/battery_calibration
Wiping battery stats does nothing. It's a myth debunked a couple of weeks ago by Dianne Hackborn.
Skip that step and just charge it whenever you want. Every couple of months allow a full discharge and do a full recharge. Done. No hassle, no root needed.
EDIT: Gah, sorry for the post revival, was searching for something and not paying attention :/

[GUIDE] How to prolong the life of your Li-Ion battery

First off this isn't a guide about how to make your battery last longer between charges, at least it isn't yet. If a demand arises I will happily facilitate. *EDIT* For simplicity's sake I am including a link to V7's battery guide which addresses increasing the time between charges. ✭[GUIDE][26-07-2016]Extreme Battery Life Thread(Greenify+Amplify+Power Nap)✭This guide is about reducing wear that happens from many thing we all either knowingly do; out of a possible misunderstanding, or ignorance. All of this information is available doing a simple Google search, I am posting it here though for those who otherwise would not think to Google it. Furthermore I claim credit for absolutely none of this, but I do hope you find it helpful.
HOW TO PROLONG YOUR Li-Ion BATTERY'S LIFE​
1) Keep your battery at room temperature: Heat is the worst enemy of your cell phones battery. So keeping your battery at room temperature (65-75*F) is the first step towards prolonging your battery's life. According to Battery University
each 8°C (15°F) rise in temperature cuts the life of a sealed lead acid battery in half.
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They also go on further adding
Once the battery is damaged by heat, the capacity cannot be restored.
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There are many things you can do to keep your battery cooler, such as taking it off the charger when the phone is done charging, and avoiding prolonged continuous usage. Also avoid leaving your phone in your car, it gets upwards of 140* in a car during the summer. The worst thing that can happen to a Li-Ion battery is a full charge and high heat, so avoid charging your phone until your car has cooled off if you are charging your battery in the car. Heat is by far the greatest factor when it comes to reducing the lifespan of a Li-Ion battery.
2) Use partial-discharge cycles: According to lancair.net
Using only 20% or 30% of the battery capacity before recharging will extend cycle life considerably
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Other sites I read while researching this stated that users should use up to 80% of their energy before recharging, they were all consistent with regards to a few things including: avoiding full discharges will prolong battery life, and it takes several partial charges to use one full charge cycle. Additionally Li-Ion batteries do not have "charge memory", but your digital device most likely does. Discharging the battery until cut off after every 30 charge cycles re calibrates the devices gauge.
3) Avoid keeping your battery at 100%: Every source I referenced for this guide said the same thing about keeping your battery at a full capacity, but oranageinks.com explains it most simply by stating
Permanent capacity loss is greatest at elevated temperatures with the battery voltage maintained at maximum (fully charged).
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4) If you are going to store your battery for an extended period store it at about 50% charged: This goes hand-in-hand with number 3. Also keeping the battery cool during extended storage will slow deterioration. Keeping the battery in a sealed bag or tupperware in your refrigerator is okay, but storing your battery in the freezer is not. When a battery is fully charged oxidation is occurring at its highest rate, and oxidation is essential corrosion. Oxidation occurs whether the battery is in use or not, for this reason it is better to get a high capacity battery rather than a spare. So with this said it almost should go without saying that if you can, buy batteries with a recent manufacture date.
5) Avoid completely discharging your battery: Lancair.com states:
Very deep discharges will quickly, permanently damage a Li-ion battery. Internal metal plating can occur causing a short circuit, making the battery unusable and unsafe. Most Li-ion batteries have protection circuitry within their battery packs that open the battery connection if the battery voltage is less than 2.5 V or exceeds 4.3 V, or if the battery current exceeds a predefined threshold level when charging or is charging
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now that explain why my battery drain so fast,my phone temperature is a bit high these days,thank you :good
I decrease my battry drain with installing som suitable kernal
this way realy effective in my device battry mangement
You're absolutely right, and you hit the nail on the head,
Saeedblack said:
realy[sic] effective in my device battry[sic] mangement
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But the physical battery itself needs care too. Device battery management is more related to how much power the CPU sees that the device has. Understanding how a Li-Ion battery works is kinda important at this point. So basically the positive electrode is made of Lithium cobalt oxide (cathode), or LiCoO2. The negative electrode is made of carbon (anode). When the battery is charging, ions of lithium move through the electrolyte from the positive electrode to the negative electrode and attach to the carbon. During discharge, the lithium ions move back to the LiCoO2 from the carbon. Over time the Lithium ions bond to the carbon thereby restricting the flow, creating resistance which decreases the battery's ability to deliver current. So properly caring for your battery is really the only thing that will slow the inevitable. Its kinda the same thing for a car...all cars eventually die, but if you take care of them they will last much longer than if you neglect them.
Thanks for this. It's not the usually same guide for battery improvementent.
My battery life got a little better.
Thanks mate, that's some good information.
Hi.
Just wondering:
in "5) Avoid completely discharging your battery"
Most battery calibration softwares say you SHOULD fully discharge your battery then fully charge it for a good calibration.
So, someone like me, who likes to try new roms, new nightlys all the time, are "slowly" burning the battery to ashes by calibrating it after every flash.
It looks like running the processor faster than specified (overclocking) can result in higher temperatures inside the device and faster battery wear as a result.
azraelus said:
Hi.
Just wondering:
in "5) Avoid completely discharging your battery"
Most battery calibration softwares say you SHOULD fully discharge your battery then fully charge it for a good calibration.
So, someone like me, who likes to try new roms, new nightlys all the time, are "slowly" burning the battery to ashes by calibrating it after every flash.
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YES you are slowly burning the battery out, by draining it after every flash. The battery is going to die inevitably anyways though, most of the sources I found suggest doing a "full drain" every 30 charge cycles. Perhaps this is when you should go ahead and do your battery calibration. Also a full drain is not exactly self-explanatory in this case. Your device may say that a battery has 1% of its energy left and to an extent it does, but the battery is designed to cut off before it gets too hot or too low. If you have a tendency to cut your phone back on after it dies then you will deplete the battery completely, possibly resulting in permanent damage.
adrian816 said:
It looks like running the processor faster than specified (overclocking) can result in higher temperatures inside the device and faster battery wear as a result.
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Yes O/C can raise temperatures of the device. Certain kernels run a little hotter than others. My device is currently O/C'd and isn't any hotter than normal when I am not using the device due to CPU governors and what not, and its only marginally hotter than it is when at the stock clock speed. Prolonged heavy use takes a toll on the battery, due to the heat its creating. Also don't let the little bit of heat increase stop you from O/C'ing your device. Many manufacturers use the same cpu with different clock speeds, EX Snapdragon S3 chip is used in the EVO 3D @ 1.2GHz, and the HTC Rezound @ 1.5GHZ from the factory. This is done to reduce power consumption on power hungry phones or to extend the life of a cpu that has proven itself reliable(such as in the example of the Snapdragon S3)...it also helps to market devices without spending more on development.
Good adwise! :good:
This is all very good advice. A lot of it I knew, but I learned a couple new things as well. Glad to see someone making it more easily available to our community!
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Found this same information when researching my netbook battery.Turns out there is a good reason it will sleep/hybernate/power off at 3 percent, can damage a cell. On the upside this one will charge faster.
Thanks for the information.
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Oh god, by "avoiding keep it at 100%" you mean "don't use it constantly while charging", right?
I have a seriously problem.
Wish I could do something about #1. My phone can get pretty hot when I'm using it and I like to do a lot of things like playing games or dling torrents which gets it toasty.
Will definitely unplug before 100% from now on though. Thanks
Jane Shizuka said:
Oh god, by "avoiding keep it at 100%" you mean "don't use it constantly while charging", right?
I have a seriously problem.
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Yea that's pretty much the gist of it...heavy use while charging creates even more heat than just heavy use or just charging. Since doing the research for this thread I've been doing things a little differently myself. Instead of leaving it on the charger most of the day I charge it at night and use it til about 50% then charge it up to 80%...it may be in my head but I highly doubt it. Doing as I described I have had 1 full charge (from 40% to 100%) and a top off charge (50% to 80%) and my device has been on since yesterday morning (so 36 hours+ with only a 30% top off charge). This is with moderate use, and my phone is currently at 70%...MUCH better than before though.
This guide is still meant more for longer term physical battery care, but it appears to have helped extend time between charges.
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Wish I could do something about #1. My phone can get pretty hot when I'm using it and I like to do a lot of things like playing games or dling torrents which gets it toasty.
Will definitely unplug before 100% from now on though. Thanks
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Try a different kernel, or underclocking your phone, that should help with the heat.
Thanks, I'll keep this in mind!
Thanks for the advice, but i thought discharge it completely wont do any harm to the battery since the protection circuit will stop at around 3..0-3.4 mV?
ryanshady said:
Thanks for the advice, but i thought discharge it completely wont do any harm to the battery since the protection circuit will stop at around 3..0-3.4 mV?
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That is about the point the device will cut off, but if you turn it back on like I used to until the device won't turn back on that's when the battery is completely discharged. Battery University goes on to say
Each cycle wears the battery down by a small amount. A partial discharge before charge is better than a full discharge. Apply a deliberate full discharge only to calibrate a smart battery and to prevent “memory” on a nickel-based pack.
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Link to article HERE
*EDIT*
i wish there's a way to stop charging once it reaches 85-95% like my laptop...

New battery health

I’m curious about battery health as reported by Accubattery (I can’t find the battery health stat in the phone itself). I’ve had the 4a 5-6 days and the health is at 97% (3048/3140). Is that normal?
I had some issues with battery drain at first, getting around 4.5 hours (a few people here pointed out it’s likely due to it not being on wifi). But I did a factory reset and it seems to be doing better (now I’m on track for ~6).
I‘ve read battery health numbers aren’t super accurate so I imagine some fluctuation is normal. Just trying to verify whether I’ve lost 3% battery life in a week. Thanks!
I bought it a month ago. Holds at 104% for 3 weeks, and recently dropped sharply to 99%. I think you shouldn't believe the program
Li's like being use in their mid range; short midrange cycles/more frequent partial charges.
High cell voltage and high temperatures cause premature wear. Accubattery is encouraging this partial charge strategy although it's not necessary accurate.
Don't charge your battery to 100% very often.
80% is better, 64-70% is best.
Don't discharge past 20%, a low limit of 30-40% is best.
Never charge if battery is below 40F.
Avoid starting a charge if battery is below 72F whenever possible.
Low temp charging can cause Li plating which will permanently degrade the cell.
Avoid charging over 100F.
75-90F is best
Fast charging causes no harm.
cool thanks. accubattery went from 97% to 98% a few days later so I don't think it's super accurate. I've never had it say 100% on this new battery though so I'm worried it's a bit low but oh well. Thanks all.
suda space said:
cool thanks. accubattery went from 97% to 98% a few days later so I don't think it's super accurate. I've never had it say 100% on this new battery though so I'm worried it's a bit low but oh well. Thanks all.
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First you need to set whatever is the actual capacity of the battery. Accubattery will use the capacity that the Android is reporting, typically 4170 for a 4300 ma battery in the Note 10+ case.
It's wrong; but Android is the culprit in this case.
Accubattery is a very useful apk. It adjustable alert when charged to X% is great. It also logs net power charging/discharging. I use it for battery temp too.
People expect too much out of it.
I doubt it's low, in fact it may well have a slightly higher than rated capacity. Take care of it and you can milk years out of it. Frequent midrange charges, and watch the heat.
If the phone battery temp when using gets into the high 90's, cool it down. I use a damp microfiber cloth or rag.
At a battery temp of 102F I screen off the device.
blackhawk said:
Li's like being use in their mid range; short midrange cycles/more frequent partial charges.
High cell voltage and high temperatures cause premature wear. Accubattery is encouraging this partial charge strategy although it's not necessary accurate.
Don't charge your battery to 100% very often.
80% is better, 64-70% is best.
Don't discharge past 20%, a low limit of 30-40% is best.
Never charge if battery is below 40F.
Avoid starting a charge if battery is below 72F whenever possible.
Low temp charging can cause Li plating which will permanently degrade the cell.
Avoid charging over 100F.
75-90F is best
Fast charging causes no harm.
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Info is misleading, outdated (overlooks recent battery refinements) and originally based on much larger packs used in laptops, etc. Mobile devices discharge frequently, rarely spending significant time at high charge levels. Laptops are often tethered to a desk and charger for extended periods.
While there's nothing amiss with avoiding extremes one should not feel compelled to carry around a damp microfiber cloth (lol) to cool the phone when it reaches body temp. Yep, battery capacity may drop 10% over the life of the device by not getting panties in a knot over thermals. It's just a phone ...
DB126 said:
Info is misleading, outdated (overlooks recent battery refinements) and originally based on much larger packs used in laptops, etc. Mobile devices discharge frequently, rarely spending significant time at high charge levels. Laptops are often tethered to a desk and charger for extended periods.
While there's nothing amiss with avoiding extremes one should not feel compelled to carry around a damp microfiber cloth (lol) to cool the phone when it reaches body temp. Yep, battery capacity may drop 10% over the life of the device by not getting panties in a knot over thermals. It's just a phone ...
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This has nothing to do with laptops although on my e6400 you can software disable battery charging at will.
The Li battery weakness is it's user. Any time it's taken to a full charge you are doing substantially more damage than a 64% top off. One full charge cycle vs >1/20% a full charge cycle.
That's a lot of lost life.
You'll get about 2 years out of it or less with your plan if you're a heavy user.
Rather inept management when you could get years more...
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This has nothing to do with laptops although on my e6400 you can software disable battery charging at will.
The Li battery weakness is it's user. Any time it's taken to a full charge you are doing substantially more damage than a 64% top off. One full charge cycle vs >1/20% a full charge cycle.
That's a lot of lost life.
You'll get about 2 years out of it or less with your plan if you're a heavy user.
Rather inept management when you could get years more...
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We'll agree to disagree on the applicability and merits of aggressive battery management on modern mobile devices. I am quite familiar with the arguments but have no stomach to rehash the details (which matter). Best wishes, mate.
DB126 said:
We'll agree to disagree on the applicability and merits of aggressive battery management on modern mobile devices. I am quite familiar with the arguments but have no stomach to rehash the details (which matter). Best wishes, mate.
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Fair enough... the devil is in the details.
I'll see how my 10+ does. Lol I may end up tearing it down to replace the bloody charging port before the battery needs replacement
A battery replacement isn't the end of the world.
Cheers, mate.
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I bought my phone 4 weeks ago . I am currently using Realme 8 pro.
In accubattery it shows i have 89% battery health. Is accubattery accurate?
It makes me concern why my battery sustaining so fast .
blackhawk said:
Fair enough... the devil is in the details.
I'll see how my 10+ does. Lol I may end up tearing it down to replace the bloody charging port before the battery needs replacement
A battery replacement isn't the end of the world.
Cheers, mate.
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Hi
I bought my phone 4 weeks ago . I am currently using Realme 8 pro.
In accubattery it shows i have 89% battery health. Is accubattery accurate?
It makes me concern why my battery sustaining so fast .
Mi Nabil said:
Hi
I bought my phone 4 weeks ago . I am currently using Realme 8 pro.
In accubattery it shows i have 89% battery health. Is accubattery accurate?
It makes me concern why my battery sustaining so fast .
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Not really. The value it uses is from the Android OS its self which is inaccurate and constant.
In my case it is 4100 mAh.
On my original 4300 mAh battery it was off by 200 mAh, on the replacement 300. Assuming the battery was as speced. It could have even been over the speced value.
Depending on the battery temperature and the charge range Accubatter's estimate can vary by 200 even 300 mAh.
Set it so it will read 100% by entering the value Accubattery thinks it sees when the battery is fully charged. It makes it easier and less dissettling to track
In the course of the battery's life you'll probably end up reloading and losing the data but for short term monitoring it's very useful.
It's logging history is great for quickly spotting excessive battery usage or slow charging. With those considerations in mind it's a useful tool that doesn't consume very battery it's self.
After the Pro version is active I firewall* block it as it is constantly in internet contact otherwise... I don't need that. If you disable Playstore or Google play Services it will revert back to the free version unless firewall blocked I disable the former two most of the time so there's that.
That's my biggest complaint about it.
*Karma Firewall, a great freeware apk that uses almost no battery
Sir in my case it showed accurate capacity of my battery.
When charged my phone first my phone had 99% battery health.
But 4 weeks later it says something 89 percent.
I don't know about battery science. But can you tell me in short is it okay? . Or i should go to coutomer care?
Mi Nabil said:
Sir in my case it showed accurate capacity of my battery.
When charged my phone first my phone had 99% battery health.
But 4 weeks later it says something 89 percent.
I don't know about battery science. But can you tell me in short is it okay? . Or i should go to coutomer care?
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Really I doubt they would accept Accubattery's data.
When your SOT drops significantly and it's not because of excessive battery usage by apk(s), then you know you have a problem.
Heavily used phones will get about 1-2 years of usable battery life. I'll probably replace mine again at the 1 year mark.
If you want it to last longer only charge to 80-90%
Don't discharge below 30%
Li's like frequently midrange charge/discharge cycles. Frequent midrange partial charges prolong their life a lot.
Never charge if below 40°F
Do not charge below 72°F, 85-95F is the optimum start charge temperature.
Do not allow battery temperature to exceed 100F when charging, cool as needed.
blackhawk said:
Really I doubt they would accept Accubattery's data.
When your SOT drops significantly and it's not because of excessive battery usage by apk(s), then you know you have a problem.
Heavily used phones will get about 1-2 years of usable battery life. I'll probably replace mine again at the 1 year mark.
If you want it to last longer only charge to 80-90%
Don't discharge below 30%
Li's like frequently midrange charge/discharge cycles. Frequent midrange partial charges prolong their life a lot.
Never charge if below 40°F
Do not charge below 72°F, 85-95F is the optimum start charge temperature.
Do not allow battery temperature to exceed 100F when charging, cool as needed.
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One more question sir.
What is better for battery health charging 20 to 100% once or charging 20 to 80% twice in a day.
blackhawk said:
Really I doubt they would accept Accubattery's data.
When your SOT drops significantly and it's not because of excessive battery usage by apk(s), then you know you have a problem.
Heavily used phones will get about 1-2 years of usable battery life. I'll probably replace mine again at the 1 year mark.
If you want it to last longer only charge to 80-90%
Don't discharge below 30%
Li's like frequently midrange charge/discharge cycles. Frequent midrange partial charges prolong their life a lot.
Never charge if below 40°F
Do not charge below 72°F, 85-95F is the optimum start charge temperature.
Do not allow battery temperature to exceed 100F when charging, cool as needed.
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Sir can you please answer my last question?
That i have qutioned you in previous reply

Question Battery drain fast when reach 6%

My battery drains quickly when reached 6%, and drops after a minute to 5%, few seconds to 4%, 3%, 2% 1% and the samsung logo appears just as soon as possible.
Also when full charged to 100%, it will drop to 97% just in few minutes!
hello, this is normal(i think) same situation with S21 and S21ultra i have, quick drop few% from 100% and under 7% also unpredictable drop to 0.
vlubosh said:
hello, this is normal(i think) same situation with S21 and S21ultra i have, quick drop few% from 100% and under 7% also unpredictable drop to 0.
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from iphone 12 pro max to this phone, and really feel its weird
czw2002cn said:
from iphone 12 pro max to this phone, and really feel its weird
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battery management on both devices are different. for example I had an iphone 13 pro max and battery would stay at 100% for so much longer than the s22 ultra, but then the drain would happen a tad faster. Also the running apps play a role in draining after certain levels. powering up a device this type does take a lot of power. Did you try power saving options after reaching a certain power level?
Also not a good practice to allow the battery to get that low. Battery longevity will be compromised.
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Also not a good practice to allow the battery to get that low. Battery longevity will will be compromised.
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This is also important. and if for some reason you can't charge and you are getting to 15%, enable battery saving and if you get below 10 use Ultra battery saving.
some experts suggest it is a good measure to let the battery drain to 0 once or twice to get calibrated. It shows 5% but it might actually be a lot lower than that, hence the sharp drop to 0. It should in theory be better after "calibration". And of course, battery longevity will be compromised by anything you do to it, whether it's charging to 100% or draining to 0%. For calibration you do this once or twice.
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some experts suggest it is a good measure to let the battery down to 0 once or twice to get calibrated. It shows 5% but it might actually be a lot lower than that, hence the sharp drop to 0. It should in theory be better after "calibration". And of course, battery longevity will be compromised by anything you do to it, whether it's charging to 100% or draining to 0%. For calibration you do this once or twice.
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They're not experts. Lithium-ion batteries do not require recalibrating. Discharging to 0 is extremely hard on them.
"One particularly persistent battery myth is that you need to occasionally fully discharge and recharge to erase “battery memory.” This couldn’t be more wrong for lithium-ion batteries. It’s a leftover myth from lead-acid cells, and it’s pretty undesirable to charge your modern smartphone in this way"
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They're not experts. Lithium-ion batteries do not require recalibrating. Discharging to 0 is extremely hard on them.
"One particularly persistent battery myth is that you need to occasionally fully discharge and recharge to erase “battery memory.” This couldn’t be more wrong for lithium-ion batteries. It’s a leftover myth from lead-acid cells, and it’s pretty undesirable to charge your modern smartphone in this way"
Charging habits to maximize battery life
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thanks for setting me straight

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