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General New Joying Android 10 UIS7862 Octacore 1.8GHz (4GB RAM, 64GB flash)

EDIT: XDA didn't like me attaching the photos, just got broken links so I'm sorry that they're embedded like this.
Joying just sent me a review unit of their new 10.1" Android 10 head unit so I figured it should have its own thread. It looks like they're pumping out updated versions of all their previous devices by the day so I imagine they'll have versions of this in all the different screen sizes soon. First impression is good. The interface is appreciably more responsive than the Intel unit I currently have in the car. I'm working on some videos but figured I'd throw some pictures in here. Here is an unboxing and interface tour video: https://youtu.be/h__Zc0fwOtw
The PCB looks is clearly iterative but looks to have some significant redesigns, especially with the power supply which is much larger than on the previous Intel design, through that might be required for extra derived voltages for the new UIS7862 SoC.
The previous Intel PCB used an STM32 MCU in between the main SoC and the bluetooth module which probably contributed to the difficulty interfacing Bluetooth devices that weren't specifically allowed by Joying. The area where this chip was now looks to be filled with power components though the same Bluetooth module is still used. I'm hopeful that this means there's direct communication from the SoC to the BT module, but that'll take more digging to determine. There is also a new general purpose ARM Cortex-M4 MCU added between the SoC carrier board and the DSP chip (GigaDevice GD32F330R8T6). I'm curious if that's taken the place of the old STM32 chip or if it's used for something else. Hopefully I'll be able to determine what it's used for, but I'm not touching anything until I get it installed and reviewed.
The green PCB is the Intel board and the yellowish one is the new Android 10 board. Of note is the fact that the new PCB has Joying's name silk screened onto it where the old Intel one didn't. So, at bare minimum, this board is spun just for Joying, even if the only differences are the silk screen layers.
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Increased BT functionality would be huge (by hack or otherwise).
Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

I'm just curious about:
- How's the WiFi speed, especially in combination with Bluetooth switched on and your phone linked (was absolutely terrible on the SC9853i's due to combined frequency/bandwidth use)
- Does Google Voice work with phone calls?
- Has CANbus functionality improved? Especially: does it now support 2-way Airconditioning control? (previously it was only possible on Ford AFAIK to also raise/lower temps from the Airco app)
- which launcher do they now use/include (do they include the T'eyes launcher or some look-a-like?)
- And like you already mentioned: what can be connected via Bluetooth? Still only Joying/FYT "allowed" hardware?

surfer63 said:
I'm just curious about:
- How's the WiFi speed, especially in combination with Bluetooth switched on and your phone linked (was absolutely terrible on the SC9853i's due to combined frequency/bandwidth use)
- Does Google Voice work with phone calls?
- Has CANbus functionality improved? Especially: does it now support 2-way Airconditioning control? (previously it was only possible on Ford AFAIK to also raise/lower temps from the Airco app)
- which launcher do they now use/include (do they include the T'eyes launcher or some look-a-like?)
- And like you already mentioned: what can be connected via Bluetooth? Still only Joying/FYT "allowed" hardware?
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I'll work on these today and tomorrow but I can answer the launcher question. Thus far it looks identical to the launcher on my current SC9853i unit with the exception of a slight tweak to the EQ app which adds the ability to set a Q value for each of the fixed frequencies.

techy101 said:
I'll work on these today and tomorrow but I can answer the launcher question. Thus far it looks identical to the launcher on my current SC9853i unit with the exception of a slight tweak to the EQ app which adds the ability to set a Q value for each of the fixed frequencies.
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So I'm looking at buying one of these new Android 10 Units.....Seems like they have a 7" Version SKU: JY-UQS03N4G with the Dual ARM Cortex0A75 but cant verify its the same hardware.
I currently have the PX5 Android 8 version.
So Im wondering the following:
So hows the sound quality?
The Android Auto/Apple Auto working? I know there were issues with the version I have
How fluid/Quick is the touch screen?
Any negatives you have noticed so far?

JRANGER615 said:
So I'm looking at buying one of these new Android 10 Units.....Seems like they have a 7" Version SKU: JY-UQS03N4G with the Dual ARM Cortex0A75 but cant verify its the same hardware.
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I can answer most of the questions in the next day or two when I get it installed in the car, but I'm pretty sure that it is the same hardware. From what I've seen they just slap different screens onto one or two head unit bodies (not sure what else to call it...) and that has the same 2x A75's and 6x A55's but also includes the 4G module that mine doesn't have. Looking at the PCB I really wonder if the radio isn't already there and they just don't populate the antennas and remove the mobile data option from the firmware.

I put together an unboxing, initial impressions and quick interface tour video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h__Zc0fwOtw I'll have an install video coming out soon and a full review. This has been my first experience trying to make videos like this where I actually have to talk so I'm still trying to figure out how to put them together and how to not stumble through all my words
First impressions of this unit are very positive, though I'm expecting to be more critical in the full review once I've had time to test everything out. I laid into them in my review of the Intel unit I bought for a bug that resets all the trip computer units to metric every time it reboots so I was surprised they sent me a review unit . I'm hoping that bug is fixed, but I highly doubt it. I'm really interested in seeing if they managed to eliminate the slight hiss (EMI) when nothing is playing and it's not muted. The expanded power might help with that, as well as the fact that the SoC carrier board has shrunk and there is more clearance between it and the DAC output traces.
The first bug I ran across is a small one, but it's very difficult to swipe away and close apps in the recent apps screen. Like, you have to grab it at a very specific spot on the icon and drag it all the way to the edge of the screen... That strikes me as a strange one but it's actually somewhat infuriating so I hope it can be fixed.

I believe the CPU on this board is the Unisoc Tiger T618. Its specs most closely match the specs that we already know, except the 2 Arm A75 cores are supposed to be at 2.0GHz stock. The T618 is a 4G chip so the modem would be built in, but disabled via config file. You could solder on the antennas and also solder in a SIM tray and then enable the modem and it should work. I've already learned that the chinese resellers will cripple their devices to sell "features". Teyes is a great example, they will disable certain bluetooth features unless you pay for the more expensive model. I believe the resellers have few versions of boards, mainly ram and storage difference, maybe DSP difference, but that's about it. It is their decision to disable/omit 4G only to sell it in a more expensive model. It is not like regular phone manufacturers that will disable features via efuses or different chips.

Joying/ joyus simply reducing manufacturing costs and maximising margin/profit.
I could be wrong but think these will be mostly a port of previous code, complete with old and new bugs but on "cost effective" hardware.

gamer765 said:
I believe the CPU on this board is the Unisoc Tiger T618. Its specs most closely match the specs that we already know, except the 2 Arm A75 cores are supposed to be at 2.0GHz stock. The T618 is a 4G chip so the modem would be built in, but disabled via config file. You could solder on the antennas and also solder in a SIM tray and then enable the modem and it should work. I've already learned that the chinese resellers will cripple their devices to sell "features". Teyes is a great example, they will disable certain bluetooth features unless you pay for the more expensive model. I believe the resellers have few versions of boards, mainly ram and storage difference, maybe DSP difference, but that's about it. It is their decision to disable/omit 4G only to sell it in a more expensive model. It is not like regular phone manufacturers that will disable features via efuses or different chips.
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I'd also assumed the 4G functionality was already included, simply because of the cost required to have multiple different parts. The antennas pads are kindly labeled on the PCB and there's already a header for the SIM tray so no soldering required for that part, assuming the pinouts are the same. I'd be interested in trying it if someone were able to figure out how to edit whatever files are required to enable the functionality in Android, if it's possible. I've even got the SIM tray and antennas from one of my units that I broke so the swap would only take five or ten minutes.
he Bluetooth on the previous version had a separate STM32 MCU in between the main SoC and the Bluetooth board and I'm pretty confident that was acting as a gatekeeper and is what prevented us from easily adding functionality. That chip isn't present on top layer of the new PCB but it could be hiding on the bottom. I'll find out when I pull it all apart (after I get it installed and do the review lest I break something)

I remember in the sc9853 thread there was mention of a crruptoff file you place while flashing to basically disable the no sim card message if it's missing the sim card. But I'm thinking that configuration information is stored inside the fytdata partition that the resellers pretend doesn't exist.

Love your reviewing everything. I went ahead and ordered my unit since it has to come from China and that will probably take months.

JRANGER615 said:
Love your reviewing everything. I went ahead and ordered my unit since it has to come from China and that will probably take months.
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You'll be surprised. Each of the three units I've ordered from them have come in (Minnesota, USA) exactly one week from the date of order, though I imagine that may be a or two more depending on where you live.

techy101 said:
You'll be surprised. Each of the three units I've ordered from them have come in (Minnesota, USA) exactly one week from the date of order, though I imagine that may be a or two more depending on where you live.
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Well i ordered from their website and when i checked the US warehouse they didnt have the 7" version. So i dont think ill be that Lucky but one can hope

JRANGER615 said:
Well i ordered from their website and when i checked the US warehouse they didnt have the 7" version. So i dont think ill be that Lucky but one can hope
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All mine have come from the Chinese warehouse. Two have come via DHL and one via FedEx. DHL is especially fast. The darn thing will land on the east coast at 4am, then make it to Minneapolis by 10am, and by 11am it's on a truck for delivery. That's been my experience with them every time I've ordered things from China with DHL.

gamer765 said:
I remember in the sc9853 thread there was mention of a crruptoff file you place while flashing to basically disable the no sim card message if it's missing the sim card. But I'm thinking that configuration information is stored inside the fytdata partition that the resellers pretend doesn't exist.
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This worked in the previous PX5 Firmwares and early SC9853i firmwares, but it no longer works.
I assume they removed the check for the file.

I'll investigate, but I did see in SystemUI that it checks for fixwifi to determine whether to show or hide the signal bars.

Progress! Thus far I can confirm that Bluetooth is still locked down and the "call xxxx" Google assistant bug is still present.

I can imagine bluetooth being forever locked down since the apk does all the checks before allowing a device to connect.

techy101 said:
Progress! Thus far I can confirm that Bluetooth is still locked down and the "call xxxx" Google assistant bug is still present.
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Reduced production costs, porting and bugs

General Teyes cc3 or navifly?

Looking to buy one or the other.
Can anyone tell me which one is better to root.
Also I like that navifly has 5g wifi.
I'm rocking a pixel 3.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001652626325.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001948289474.html
Thanks for the help.

They are both FYT based units. Rooting should be 100% identical.
There is no 5g wifi. There is the new 5G mobile network and there is 5 GHz wifi (or 2.4 GHz wifi).
Both do NOT support 5G, and both do have 5 GHz wifi.
Like said: both are produced by FYT including the Android layer and builtin apps. T'eyes and NaviFly are only resellers where T'eyes probably has by far the best support and most probably the better quality control, but is also more expensive.
Those resellers only vary in 2/32GB vs. 4/64GB, DSP or no DSP, STN or IPS or QLED displays, with or without 4G.
Note: the QLED screen is new and theoretically better than IPS (which is again better than STN)

Thank you so much for your help.
I'm still a tad confused though.
It would appear that the navifly supports 5ghz wifi.
And from my understanding using android auto wireless with my pixel 3 needs 5ghz wifi support.
I don't believe the teyes can do this.
Is this correct? Sorry pretty noob here just asking questions.

dillyoee said:
Thank you so much for your help.
I'm still a tad confused though.
It would appear that the navifly supports 5ghz wifi.
And from my understanding using android auto wireless with my pixel 3 needs 5ghz wifi support.
I don't believe the teyes can do this.
Is this correct? Sorry pretty noob here just asking questions.
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Take a look at the Teyes website https://cc3.teyes.ru/
and read the Teyes CC3 topic. All things you ask are mentioned there already in the first post. Do some searching and reading!

surfer63 said:
Take a look at the Teyes website https://cc3.teyes.ru/
and read the Teyes CC3 topic. All things you ask are mentioned there already in the first post. Do some searching and reading!
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dillyoee said:
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Can I use my pixel 3 for android auto wirelessly with both units ?

Is it possible to flash the teyes software on the navifly?

Denzis1 said:
Is it possible to flash the teyes software on the navifly?
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Not right away. The T'eyes firmware comes with builtin registration routines to make sure it is a T'eyes unit. Same for T'eyes voice. They deactivate Google Assistant, but you can only use T'eyes voice if you register with T'eyes. That will not work with a NaviFly.
It requires quite some (illegal) hacking of the firmware.
If you really want to go forward with this you need to follow the 4pda forum threads.

Hmm. I really dig the software. Problem is there is no eu shipping only directly from china or russia.. is it possible to activate google assistant in the software

Denzis1 said:
Hmm. I really dig the software. Problem is there is no eu shipping only directly from china or russia.. is it possible to activate google assistant in the software
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Yes, but it is disabled again on every restart. I used the CC2 software on my Joying sc9853i and enabled GoogleAssistant again (and again and again) using a "boot script" that started with 30 seconds delay. Next to that: all voice "actions" are directed to T'eyes voice which is hugely annoying. Even with GoogleAssistant it is still hugely crippled as T'eyes defaults in everything to T'eyes voice
Also: It is really a demotivation strategy from T'eyes as you can't use any voice software (without hacks), even not T'eyes voice itself, if you did not activate T'eyes voice either. T'eyes is another supplier that does closed-source, protective actions on their hardware. Something many people blamed Fyt/Joying for. T'eyes even takes it a step further. But they do deliver a nicer looking product with good support. And they need to feed their family as well.
So I reflashed my Joying firmware again to my Joying unit.
I use CarWebGuru (paid) as launcher, GorillaSoft folder music player pro for music, Magic Earth (90%) and OsmAnd+ (10%) for navigation, and DAB-Z for (DAB) radio. I hardly even see the other software behind it and even removed some. Why would I install good looking radio, music, video apps if I don't use them anyway. And I don't see added benefit of T'eyes voice over Google Assistant, be it that Google Assistant does not make calls on my Joying unit.
Everyone should decide for him/herself, but don't cripple you unit only for good looks. But that's my point of view and you can decide for yourself.

surfer63 said:
I used the CC2 software on my Joying sc9853i and enabled GoogleAssistant again (and again and again) using a "boot script" that started with 30 seconds delay.
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Hi Surfer, would you mind sharing your boot script, please. I would like to play around with it. I have purchased a Navifly 7862 unit for my Kia Sportage and would like to see what can be achieved.

What are people's thoughts about the Navifly? There is not a lot of discussion about their particular implementation of the 7862 units. I ordered on yesterday and have just been advised that there will be a 12 day delay. This might actually be for the CANBUS rather than the head unit, though.
My car has multiple radio fascia options and only Navifly seem confident that they have my required fascia and their photos seem to show it.
I am curious to know if they cripple Android Assistant like Teyes does. I see you purchase a Navifly voice assistant so I assume that is the case. But that is not a deal breaker for me. I don't use Google Assistant currently.
Should there be a specific thread for the Navifly 7862 to be sure the Teyes thread doesn't get muddled?

@surfer63 compared to the PX5 MTCE i have now, there is equal stability in the basic software (especially google play) and in the management of radio, gps, audio? I am interested in a Navifly 7862 that has an affordable price, in particular I would buy it for the optical and coaxial outputs it has, i want to connect it directly to my Audison AP8.9 . Thanks for answer

ludditefornow said:
I am curious to know if they cripple Android Assistant like Teyes does. I see you purchase a Navifly voice assistant so I assume that is the case. But that is not a deal breaker for me. I don't use Google Assistant currently.
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Yes, they do. It seems to be the new FYT strategy.

bluemask69 said:
@surfer63 compared to the PX5 MTCE i have now, there is equal stability in the basic software (especially google play) and in the management of radio, gps, audio? I am interested in a Navifly 7862 that has an affordable price, in particular I would buy it for the optical and coaxial outputs it has, i want to connect it directly to my Audison AP8.9 . Thanks for answer
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You ask me , but I really don't know what it is compared to an mtce. I don't have an mtce. But I assume the basic software is all equal. Note thhought that until now the RDS-AF does not function correctly on FYT units. I guess the Chinese programmers translated the English specifications incorrectly.
And I am a basic audio listener. My unit is simply connected to my very simple car audio: two front speakers and 2 front tweeters.

is there firmware support from Navifly?
surfer63 said:
You ask me , but I really don't know what it is compared to an mtce. I don't have an mtce. But I assume the basic software is all equal. Note thhought that until now the RDS-AF does not function correctly on FYT units. I guess the Chinese programmers translated the English specifications incorrectly.
And I am a basic audio listener. My unit is simply connected to my very simple car audio: two front speakers and 2 front tweeters.
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Thanks @surfer63...how is the firmware support from Navifly?
Does it release updates of fw and mcu and where is possible to find it?
Do you think it is a reliable radio?

bluemask69 said:
is there firmware support from Navifly?
Does it release updates of fw and mcu and where is possible to find it?
Do you think it is a reliable radio?
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Reliabilty is not the strongest selling point of any of those Chinese units.
I guess they are more or less basically the same for any manufacturer over the several resellers: FYT as manufacturer in this case.
I also guess that the "mini"-assembly the resellers do, like TN/IPS/QLED screens can differ, but not so much.
The greatest difference could be in support: service desk, firmwares, broken parts, etc.
And I really have no clue there about Navifly.
As I don't have a Navifly I did not look at all for their firmware. And for that matter: Neither for firmware from Kingsbeat, Navifly, Zhan, etc.
And when it comes to firmware: All FYT compatibles on the same CPU, with/without DSP, in the same aspect ratio* can, with some tweaks, run each others firmware.
Now with the new models and new firmwares having protection in the apks, coupled to the MCU it gets more difficult.
*: not resolution, but aspect ratio: FYTs screen layouts in the apks are terribly old-fashioned and fixed: 1024x600 / 1280x730 =>16:9; Other layouts like 1280x480 or "Tesla style" really require a different firmware. FYT currently can only accomodate the several resolutions if the screen has the same aspect ratio. That is also one of the reasons the FYT apps themselves do not support split-screen. A feature they so much like to advertize, but doesn't work for their own apps. A few new developed apps do support this finally.

so..i decided to buy this Navifly CC3 HU on Aliexpress, the price is much lower than Teyes CC3 . Navifly ship the CC3 from Germany , Teyes ship only from China ...with customs duties.

bluemask69 said:
so..i decided to buy this Navifly CC3 HU on Aliexpress,
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Nice, I am very happy with mine. The navifly does not seem to have all restrictions that I am hearing from other units. But it does have some restrictions.
From China to Australia, mine landed on business Day 5 or 6.

ludditefornow said:
Nice, I am very happy with mine. The navifly does not seem to have all restrictions that I am hearing from other units. But it does have some restrictions.
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It would be nice to know what these restrictions are.

Question Are you satisfied with your FYT headunit? Buying advice needed!

After owning multiple rockchip devices (last a PX5 headunit), I'm now in theprocess of buying a new radio.
Initially I wanted to go for a MTCD radio with a PX6 cpu and 4GB of ram, but now also found the FYT devices with UIS7862, 6GB RAM and 128GB ROM.
(Mekede M600s)
And as "more RAM" is always very helpful with Android devices in the long term, I'm interested.
I saw that the community and ROM developement is not as big as for the MTCD devices, but I do not need to have that, if the devices itself are stable/good.
So I wanted to ask you guys, if you are satisfied with your decision and if you would buy it again?
Anything I need to know, coming from a MTCD device?
My main usage would be: Google Maps, Spotify, Bluetooth Connection to my phone for calls, Youtube, so nothing to fancy.

Yes. I've written about this a bunch. Look for my posts
You really don't need a modified "hal/mal" ROM with FYT.
Buggy MTCD is dead, long live MTCD

Very happy with my Navifly 7862 4gb. GPS is terrific and can't recall an unexpected reboot. Radio app is a bit naff but bang for buck, I would do it again in a heartbeat.
Bluetooth to phone is seamless and hotspot from phone via macro works like a charm.
If you are the sort of person who looks to find fault, you probably won't be happy. If you just want a system that works for the most part and you know the interface limitations, you will be fine.

Icefeldt said:
After owning multiple rockchip devices (last a PX5 headunit), I'm now in theprocess of buying a new radio.
Initially I wanted to go for a MTCD radio with a PX6 cpu and 4GB of ram, but now also found the FYT devices with UIS7862, 6GB RAM and 128GB ROM.
(Mekede M600s)
And as "more RAM" is always very helpful with Android devices in the long term, I'm interested.
I saw that the community and ROM developement is not as big as for the MTCD devices, but I do not need to have that, if the devices itself are stable/good.
So I wanted to ask you guys, if you are satisfied with your decision and if you would buy it again?
Anything I need to know, coming from a MTCD device?
My main usage would be: Google Maps, Spotify, Bluetooth Connection to my phone for calls, Youtube, so nothing to fancy.
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I've been kind of keeping my eye on this too, but so far (to me anyway) it looks like
"same sh*t, different pile".
Meanwhile I was pleasantly surprised in my shift from px5 to px6. Px6 seems to be a fairly large upgrade as compared to px5.... runs smoother with a lot fewer bugs. Bluetooth is still a problem when trying to connect devices other than phone though
For me, I have a lot of gadgets connected to my system (tv, front cam, rear cam, dash cam, siriusXM tuner, OBD bluetooth adapter, OBD USB adapter...etc), and I find FYT is more restrictive and locked up when it comes to connecting all these peripherals. That was the make/break for me and is what made me decide to stick with mtcd

Bob_Sanders said:
I've been kind of keeping my eye on this too, but so far (to me anyway) it looks like
"same sh*t, different pile".
Meanwhile I was pleasantly surprised in my shift from px5 to px6. Px6 seems to be a fairly large upgrade as compared to px5.... runs smoother with a lot fewer bugs. Bluetooth is still a problem when trying to connect devices other than phone though
For me, I have a lot of gadgets connected to my system (tv, front cam, rear cam, dash cam, siriusXM tuner, OBD bluetooth adapter, OBD USB adapter...etc), and I find FYT is more restrictive and locked up when it comes to connecting all these peripherals. That was the make/break for me and is what made me decide to stick with mtcd
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I respectfully disagree. Ex. MTCD hardware developer here.
Context is everything.
What FYT processor/MCU did you compare.
I have the opposite experience and find my 7862UIS/MCU 53 = YIN far superior and without any of the issues you mention.
On my FYT platform, it is FAR less restrictive. The bonus is the processor is superior and has 4g built in!
Then there is the audio quality, my FYT is simply amazing.
Back to MTCx, isn't it the reason so many mods / modded ROMs exist - again with their horrible problems and daily reports of issues - for the MTCx platform, to fix bugs and get around restrictions. But don't take my work for it, read the MTCD forums and compare.

marchnz said:
I respectfully disagree. Ex. MTCD hardware developer here.
Context is everything.
What FYT processor/MCU did you compare.
I have the opposite experience and find my 7862UIS/MCU 53 = YIN far superior and without any of the issues you mention.
On my FYT platform, it is FAR less restrictive. The bonus is the processor is superior and has 4g built in!
Then there is the audio quality, my FYT is simply amazing.
Back to MTCx, isn't it the reason so many mods / modded ROMs exist - again with their horrible problems and daily reports of issues - for the MTCx platform, to fix bugs and get around restrictions. But don't take my work for it, read the MTCD forums and compare.
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Yeah, Thanks.
I read your other thread on your switch-over from mtcd with great interest. The problem I'm having is that you jumped ship at the PX5 level. I on the other hand went on to px6 from the px5, and there is no comparison between the two (both were Dasaita). The px6 is light-years ahead of the px5 both in terms of speed and stability. I used to have to do full reboots on the PX5 pretty much weekly to clear up the bugs. With the PX6 I have had to reboot maybe twice in the last 6 months.
I think to sum it up best, comparing the px5 to the px6 is about the same as comparing a 1960's black and white tv to a 60 inch lcd tv of today.
And with Dasaita in particular, the choice of input/output ability simply can not be beat. I have not seen another head unit which supplies the number of input/output jacks and plugs that Dasiata does.
Dedicated inputs for tpms, dash cam, front cam, and TV so I don't have to use up my USB slots. It also has dual subwoofer outputs so I don't have to weaken the signal with a Y splitter for my dual amps.
Now that being said, the new FYT machines do seem to have a slightly brighter screen which is always welcomed, and some also have digital audio outputs but that's not really something I would ever use.

Bob_Sanders said:
Yeah, Thanks.
I read your other thread on your switch-over from mtcd with great interest. The problem I'm having is that you jumped ship at the PX5 level. I on the other hand went on to px6 from the px5, and there is no comparison between the two (both were Dasaita). The px6 is light-years ahead of the px5 both in terms of speed and stability. I used to have to do full reboots on the PX5 pretty much weekly to clear up the bugs. With the PX6 I have had to reboot maybe twice in the last 6 months.
I think to sum it up best, comparing the px5 to the px6 is about the same as comparing a 1960's black and white tv to a 60 inch lcd tv of today.
And with Dasaita in particular, the choice of input/output ability simply can not be beat. I have not seen another head unit which supplies the number of input/output jacks and plugs that Dasiata does.
Dedicated inputs for tpms, dash cam, front cam, and TV so I don't have to use up my USB slots. It also has dual subwoofer outputs so I don't have to weaken the signal with a Y splitter for my dual amps.
Now that being said, the new FYT machines do seem to have a slightly brighter screen which is always welcomed, and some also have digital audio outputs but that's not really something I would ever use.
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Youll find exactly the same input wise and more on the FYT platform.

marchnz said:
Youll find exactly the same input wise and more on the FYT platform.
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Not on Joying or navifly. I looked. Maybe I'm missing these inputs?
Here's Dasaita..... a second DEDICATED plug set for
DVR (C)
TV (E)
TPMS (H)
Dual sub outputs (A)
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Bob_Sanders said:
Not on Joying or navifly. I looked. Maybe I'm missing these inputs?
Here's Dasaita..... a second DEDICATED plug set for
DVR (C)
TV (E)
TPMS (H)
Dual sub outputs (A)
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Look a little more on the latest FYT platform models.
All of these inputs are present or catered for with USB or AUX inputs, TPMS is USB for instance.
Also, FYT feature an optical out, which MTCx does not have.
You still haven't said what FYT you owned, context/specifics is really important.
The point is, the newer FYT units blow the MTCx units away in nearly every aspect, especially sound, while providing for the same features and more than the MTCx platform.

marchnz said:
Look a little more on the latest FYT platform models.
All of these inputs are present or catered for with USB or AUX inputs, TPMS is USB for instance.
Also, FYT feature an optical out, which MTCx does not have.
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Well... that's exactly what I am saying. Because of the dedicated inputs I don't have to use up my USB inputs, or my AUX inputs. I can use those for other things (which I do). Also, the supplied software is completely built around those inputs. The software knows exactly where to go. The TV module for example is automatically turned on/off, and tuned up when I bring up the TV app. It all operates in one smooth motion. The FYT units are just plain lacking in this respect.
As for the digital outputs... if you are going to go digital you need high quality dacs... and I wouldn't exactly call the electronics inside these machines... "high quality"
You still haven't said what FYT you owned, context/specifics is really important.
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I haven't owned one.... but that's my point with your argument... you haven't owned a PX6. You are comparing PX5 technology to the FYT. A cardboard box probably has higher quality and better sound than the PX5.
I have looked at FYT and the lack of input/output ability is the dealbreaker for me. To me these things aren't just Head units. They are central control centers... or at least that's what I bank on them for. If I was looking for a typical head unit I would go with Pioneer or Kenwood.

Bob_Sanders said:
Well... that's exactly what I am saying. Because of the dedicated inputs I don't have to use up my USB inputs, or my AUX inputs. I can use those for other things (which I do). Also, the supplied software is completely built around those inputs. The software knows exactly where to go. The TV module for example is automatically turned on/off, and tuned up when I bring up the TV app. It all operates in one smooth motion. The FYT units are just plain lacking in this respect.
As for the digital outputs... if you are going to go digital you need high quality dacs... and I wouldn't exactly call the electronics inside these machines... "high quality"
I haven't owned one.... but that's my point with your argument... you haven't owned a PX6. You are comparing PX5 technology to the FYT. A cardboard box probably has higher quality and better sound than the PX5.
I have looked at FYT and the lack of input/output ability is the dealbreaker for me. To me these things aren't just Head units. They are central control centers... or at least that's what I bank on them for. If I was looking for a typical head unit I would go with Pioneer or Kenwood.
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I think I was highly skeptical like you initially, the chinese origin headunits appear to be largely copies and reuse, with little improvements between generations. I was surprised at just how good, at least my unit is.
Disappointing you couldn't find an FYT unit that meets your needs, they really are great.
At least the FYT unit I have, which is an YIN 53 / Mekede has inputs you mention. It's also listed on the schematic diagram obtained from 4pda.
Regarding the optical output, consider optical provides a multichannel noise immune method to connect a power amp via a single "cable."
Don't forget the MCUs on the MTCx platform are the same between processors, also bugs are widely reported in the MTCD forums, including PX6.
Maybe we agree to disagree.

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Disappointing you couldn't find an FYT unit that meets your needs, they really are great.
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Disappointing to this point anyway.... they'll probably come around though in time.

I have owned several Joying units over the last 5 years or so, with generally good experiences. Last July/Aug I installed an SC 9853i in my Kluger/Highlander.
Recently a couple of things have gone pear shaped.
1) The google play store needs "uninstall updates" to function (had this with the older devices as well)
2) Waze and google maps are "freezing" sometimes very quickly sometimes after an hour.
3) The built in 4G has disappeared and I now only get 3G/H+ (this is subsequent a firmware update, which installed older modem firmware)
I have been unable to resolve these issues with Joying unfortunately.
They (Joying) were very good in the past sending me a new unit when the screen got a white ring around it, but really have had no luck with them resolving these issues.
I would probably buy a new device off them, but not the same device, the only problem is their website doesn't really have detailed enough information to make an assessment/comparison of the underlying hardware in each of their different models.

Found yet another reason to buy an FYT 7862UIS unit - Bluetooth Low Energy support.
My unit seamlessly connects to my Valentine One gen 2 radar locator. Every time. No hiccups, or pairing required.

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I have been unable to resolve these issues with Joying unfortunately.
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Sorry for going slightly off thread topic...
Did you try a reset? and then a firmware reload/update?
I had your first problem until I wiped the system and flashed the latest firmware (which was the same)
The apps freezing might indicate a temperature issue. See if it runs warm/hot?
I never used the 3g 4g module since I hotspot.

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if you are satisfied with your decision and if you would buy it again?
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Yea. I'm on my 2nd joying for my 2010 Rav4. I highly recommend getting one with buttons/knobs. Its very annoying to change volume by screen touching (even if you have steering controls). It seems the devices go thru these rounds of improvement that go like
Version 1 : great new screen, no buttons, no knobs
Version 2 : same new screen, touch buttons
Version 3 : same new screen, knobs and actual buttons
My only gripe is lack of customization of radio app, and the icons on the launcher have stupid large borders (wish the app icon was simply displayed)
I think they are coming out with a whole new ui

forgivegod said:
Sorry for going slightly off thread topic...
Did you try a reset? and then a firmware reload/update?
I had your first problem until I wiped the system and flashed the latest firmware (which was the same)
The apps freezing might indicate a temperature issue. See if it runs warm/hot?
I never used the 3g 4g module since I hotspot.
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Nah all good, have reset a number of times, and reloaded every version of firmware available to me. I only got the device in 2020 AUG, I feel like it may have had slightly different firmware on it (to what is available for download) based on the screenshots I sent to Joying when I was initially trying to troubleshoot. Yes even wiped completely twip_all.
I think its is running hot 70-90 degrees but this is a recent problem, it ran fine for 12 months.
We use (did use) 4G module for a hotspot in the car for all the passengers, it had worked seamlessly up until joying sent me their firmware
I wish I could identify what model they are selling for the 2018 Highlander, I would just buy a new one. I do like their product, and I'm currently 1 of three dodgy products with no resolution --- Chinese vendors

marchnz said:
Found yet another reason to buy an FYT 7862UIS unit - Bluetooth Low Energy support.
My unit seamlessly connects to my Valentine One gen 2 radar locator. Every time. No hiccups, or pairing required.
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What "brand" are you looking at

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What "brand" are you looking at
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ro.build.fytmanufacturer=116
MCU = NOR
Seller was Mekede. There is no "brand" on Android head units, only factory. You would be taking a gamble buying from any seller without asking for screenshots of the system info, they might ship a unit from any number of factories and therefore variants.

Question to the Joying owners in here ... Some people were complaining about the old Intel-based chip units from Joying having buggy firmware, I haven't really read this about the new UIS-based units. Did you notice noteworthy bootloops, bugs etc.?

Bought a PX4, not happy. Looking for a replacement.

Hi there,
Recently I bought a PX4 to replace my PX5 radio in my car, a Fiat Punto Evo. The PX5 did work as it should, but I was looking for something new and fresh. Since the PX4 is based on newer technology, and Android 11, I thought this was a step forward. This is an Isudar unit by the way.
However. I noticed the headunit isn't that great. I usually use 2-3 apps (Spotify, Google Maps/Waze and Flitsmeister, a navigational tool for speedtraps and so on) and the radio doesn't perform well when I have these apps opened. Google Maps crashes a lot of times, Flitsmeister freezes and when I want to go back to the homescreen, the screen flickers a few times back and forth. Also, it does reboot all of a sudden.
There is not a possibility to flash or update it since there is zero to little knowledge of the PX4. I'm thinking of the following options:
- Buy a PX6 board and swap it in
- Buy a PX6 headunit
- Maybe there is an alternative
What is a reliable brand in this sector? I see a lot of brands but I don't see the difference...
Cheers,
Jacco

There is no px4 and you don't say if it really is an MTCD type because you haven't posted enough information such as MCU type.
Brands mean little to nothing as the all sell from various factories and are no real "brands" for these Chinese units, only factories.
You want a 7862UIS FYT (4gb+) unit such as what mekede / navifly sell (type 116) These are much less buggy than mtcd type units and you don't need hacky modded firmware to make them work.

Well, there is, it's a RK3566 based one, MTCH_GS_V3.80_3.
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005003076011564.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.3d87355fOPaJSb&algo_pvid=d3ae804c-2a61-4fd9-80ae-8d3578cec8c8&algo_exp_id=d3ae804c-2a61-4fd9-80ae-8d3578cec8c8-16
I will look into those, thanks for that one!

Fryslanboy said:
Well, there is, it's a RK3566 based one, MTCH_GS_V3.80_3.
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005003076011564.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.3d87355fOPaJSb&algo_pvid=d3ae804c-2a61-4fd9-80ae-8d3578cec8c8&algo_exp_id=d3ae804c-2a61-4fd9-80ae-8d3578cec8c8-16
I will look into those, thanks for that one!
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Just for clarity, there is no PX4. The unit linked clearly lists PX6.
I no longer recommend the MTCx platform.

marchnz said:
Just for clarity, there is no PX4. The unit linked clearly lists PX6.
I no longer recommend the MTCx platform.
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Well, actually the details list two options, a PX4 one and a PX6...
But @marchnz is correct in both accounts
1) PX4 is something this guys invented, and is not widely used/accepted (yet). Regarding the CPU they are using, seems to be a slightly improvement/update to the PX5... but very slight improvement (newer tech, more speed per CPU, but less CPUs overall)
2) Even if you go to PX6, those CPUs are old compared to 7862UIS... so buying today a PX6 would be a bad investment. If you really want to reuse the unit and only invest on a CPU board, the only option will be to wait for those manufacturers to adopt the latest chip RK3588 (which has a version RK3588S that looks a lot like a car-oriented chip, even with a CAN bus interface). Of course, you might wait for months and there is no assurance that your MTC-H mainboard will be compatible with it.
By the way, PX5 and PX30 were real Rockchip car-oriented official products. I have never seen any Rockchip original document referring to RK3399 as PX6. I only see this nomenclature on the Android-Auto chinese sites. So, don't kill us if in a few weeks every chinese vendor starts to call RK3566 as PX4

Indeed, I thought the PX4 would be a slight improvement because of the newer technology, but the opposite is true, it's horrendous.
No, a PX6 would be a bad choice. the 7862UIS option would be great but I see nothing which would fit in my car, and waiting for the RK3588 could last a while with the current chip troubles.
I'm not going to kill anybody, no troubles

Fryslanboy said:
Indeed, I thought the PX4 would be a slight improvement because of the newer technology, but the opposite is true, it's horrendous.
No, a PX6 would be a bad choice. the 7862UIS option would be great but I see nothing which would fit in my car, and waiting for the RK3588 could last a while with the current chip troubles.
I'm not going to kill anybody, no troubles
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So, if not reusing the MCU is not a problem for you...what about looking for a 7862UIS with a screen that has the same physical size as your current unit?
All the plastic fascias/stereo-fronts are made (most probably) by the same factory, and then distributed to different radio-manufacturers. Its a very low margin manufacturing business that only works if you do runs with thousands of units produced... is not a business large enough to have multiple providers. So, most probably you will be able to take the fascia of your PX4 and adapt it to any unit (MTC or FYT) as far as the screens are the same size

Head Unit Recommendation

Hey there!
I'm new to the Topic of Android Head Units, and currently looking to get one for my Kia Ceed SW from 2007 which doesn't even have Bluetooth right now, so i'm looking for some help here. My Budget is around 200-350€ max. and i'd like to get something which would work with my steering wheel buttons. I thought about getting a 7" Unit because i'm not sure if 10" would fit. Shipping from germany would be a + for me, so i don't have to wait long.
I thought about getting an RX6 so i could use the Hal9k stuff, because it looks nice, and i like switching firmwares from time to time. But at the moment everythings still completely open. Every opinion would be greatly apreciated.
Thanks in Advance,
Tho

Do consider a uis7862 FYT (e.g. as sold by navifly/mekede, not endorsing either) they are miles better than the MTCD based units while cheaper than even the most overpriced Dasaita MTCD. A bonus is they sound significantly better too.
You won't regret it, it's the software and the hardware improvements that make a huge difference.
Join us here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...unisoc-ums512-q-a-mods-tips-firmware.4396339/

marchnz said:
Do consider a uis7862 FYT (e.g. as sold by navifly/mekede, not endorsing either) they are miles better than the MTCD based units while cheaper than even the most overpriced Dasaita MTCD. A bonus is they sound significantly better too.
You won't regret it, it's the software and the hardware improvements that make a huge difference.
Join us here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...unisoc-ums512-q-a-mods-tips-firmware.4396339/
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Hey there! Okay, sounds good. But where would i get a unit like that? I think all the ones from Amazon are MTCx ones.
Edit: I did some googleing and the ones from www.joyingauto.eu are not really declared which board it is. Or am i doing something wrong?