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[Q] [Poll] Did you choose to root/flash your S6?

So the security system KNOX and the mobile payment system Samsung Pay has started the controversial debate about rooting/flashing your new S6/S6 Edge..
While we still are months (years?) away from a fully working system and large merchants adapting the system, it is still a very valuable and kind of cool feature to have on your phone.
But when you're browsing the forums you see custom ROMs and mods that could further power your S6 to unlock it's full potential and with root you can of course modify your Android experience to just the way you want it.
We have also yet to see a release date for other countries than the US and China. I live in Sweden and doubt I will see Samsung Pay working here since the magnetic terminals rarely can be used because of the chip-security VISA and MasterCard require.
The question still resides.. Is it worth tripping KNOX and losing Samsung Pay, which might never even come to your country (or at least not in 1-2 years), for unlocking Androids full power and the S6 full potential?
To flash or not to flash, that is the question...

I'd love to root, but it's not available for my version yet. I'm also not clear on what Samsung Pay does for me that's better than Google Wallet.

flu13 said:
I'd love to root, but it's not available for my version yet. I'm also not clear on what Samsung Pay does for me that's better than Google Wallet.
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Samsung Pay uses MST technology in addition to NFC, meaning that you can pay with your phone virtually anywhere credit cards are accepted.

flu13 said:
I'd love to root, but it's not available for my version yet. I'm also not clear on what Samsung Pay does for me that's better than Google Wallet.
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MST technology

Whaaaat?? How does that work? How will it work with an old-fashioned magnetic card swipe reader? Crazy.

flu13 said:
Whaaaat?? How does that work? How will it work with an old-fashioned magnetic card swipe reader? Crazy.
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It emulates an magnetic field that works exactly as you should swipe your card.

That makes my head spin.

I rooted. I have no desire to pay with my phone.

So do we know 100% that root definitely kills the option for Samsung Pay? Or that with Knox tripped it will negate Samsung Pay? I've read about here and there but I guess I haven't quite seen if someone actually tried to use the pay after root and it didn't work?

highaltitude said:
So do we know 100% that root definitely kills the option for Samsung Pay? Or that with Knox tripped it will negate Samsung Pay? I've read about here and there but I guess I haven't quite seen if someone actually tried to use the pay after root and it didn't work?
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According to SamMobile tripping KNOX will disable Samsung Pay.
We've yet to get any official statement though, right?

ZoZo- said:
According to SamMobile tripping KNOX will disable Samsung Pay.
We've yet to get any official statement though, right?
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I am looking at buying one to replace my wife's S4 and hadn't really read up on it a whole little yet. Thanks for the info I had not looked there. Next time keep the attitude to yourself.

highaltitude said:
I am looking at buying one to replace my wife's S4 and hadn't really read up on it a whole little yet. Thanks for the info I had not looked there. Next time keep the attitude to yourself.
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I'm sorry, you must've missunderstood me.. I didn't mean to have any attitude. I was mainly trying to get confirmation if there were any official statement from Samsung since I don't know if there is any..

No problem, guess I took it the wrong way too. It was just how it was written the "though?"
Anyhow, I have rooted (between my wife and I) our last 8+ phones so naturally I am looking to root the S6 when we get one, just wanted to find out for sure if it made things worse. I suppose if I am not going to use Sam Pay then it wouldn't matter. I just would rather not lose options or features. I did see a thread of a DEV that claims to have achieved root without tripping KNOX. Not sure if it will make it's way to us or not.

highaltitude said:
No problem, guess I took it the wrong way too. It was just how it was written the "though?"
Anyhow, I have rooted (between my wife and I) our last 8+ phones so naturally I am looking to root the S6 when we get one, just wanted to find out for sure if it made things worse. I suppose if I am not going to use Sam Pay then it wouldn't matter. I just would rather not lose options or features. I did see a thread of a DEV that claims to have achieved root without tripping KNOX. Not sure if it will make it's way to us or not.
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Same here! Always been rooting the phones, when you have the option of complete flexibility with the OS, why not?
Yea, better to have the possibility of the feature, even if one will use it or not, than to lock yourself out directly, hopefully that Dev has found a way and if so it won't be long time before it gets to us.
Also, since installing Nova Launcher Prime I haven't really had the need to root it since the phone is blazing fast and you can you hide away the apps you don't use/want to see in the drawer.

Samsung Pay after Root

Hello everyone,
I've been hopping around, trying to do some research on this but decided to make a post to confirm and also in hopes of informing others.
Is it true that once rooting the Note 5, we permanently lose Samsung Pay abilities due to tripping the KNOX meter?
Thanks!

Yes, the way Samsung designed Samsung pay is to make it as secure as possible, and unfortunately that includes blocking access on modded devices. Is there a way around this? I belive it would have to involve tricking Knox and I don't think it will be easy.
With that said, the galaxy s6 had a root that didn't trip knox. Even still, had to be extremely careful after that with flashing roms and such but it was b possible.
It's really the only thing that's going to make me think twice about rooting.
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Indeed. I know there are alternatives like PayPal but what about Android Pay? Will we still be able to use that as an alternative, after root?

I dug around the Korean Samsung pay apk that's floating around and I found where it's doing that check, it's just a matter of disabling it and seeing it it works. Also, the string says something to the effect of "this application won't work on rooted devices for security, please unroot your device to use Samsung pay". Notice it says unroot. We'll see what the reality is when we get our hands on the final US apk.
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This is my only concern at this point. While I don't know for sure how much if at all I'll be using Samsung Pay, I don't want to root and trip Knox quite yet so I can at least try it when it's released.

You guys are exactly in my situation. I want root but i think samsung pay might be a nice feature.. speacially sonce it works anywhere eith a card reader, not just tap and go.. only if they swipe only. Some how samsung pay still works... thats awesome
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egren58 said:
You guys are exactly in my situation. I want root but i think samsung pay might be a nice feature.. speacially sonce it works anywhere eith a card reader, not just tap and go.. only if they swipe only. Some how samsung pay still works... thats awesome
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It has a magnet that emukayes your cards magnetic strip

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It has a magnet that emukayes your cards magnetic strip
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All i know is thats awsome
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What about if we used root cloak and or Xprivacy on xposed to hide detection of root or somthing? Maybe somone needs to create an app like root cloak that his the detection of it checking if you tripped Knox? Also why is everyone so worried about Samsung Pay Google Wallet allows you to use the app on rooted debices and it does the NFC paying and they send you a physical debit card. You can even send money to people through the app too.
Does Samsung Pay have some extra cool feature that Google Wallet Doesn't? I'm just asking cause I haven't looked into Samsung Pay. In my opinion if a pay system app can't be used on r root I'm not sure if I trust the app because they might think it will be hacked but they need to make it secure on all aspects.

I've been accepted into Samsung Pay beta testing and unfortunately since I've tripped knox this is what happens. I have the apk files for both the app and framework.

Deathbyillusion said:
What about if we used root cloak and or Xprivacy on xposed to hide detection of root or somthing? Maybe somone needs to create an app like root cloak that his the detection of it checking if you tripped Knox? Also why is everyone so worried about Samsung Pay Google Wallet allows you to use the app on rooted debices and it does the NFC paying and they send you a physical debit card. You can even send money to people through the app too.
Does Samsung Pay have some extra cool feature that Google Wallet Doesn't? I'm just asking cause I haven't looked into Samsung Pay. In my opinion if a pay system app can't be used on r root I'm not sure if I trust the app because they might think it will be hacked but they need to make it secure on all aspects.
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I agree 1,000%. Google Wallet is accepted at a lot of places and works well while rooted. If I have to part with Samsung Pay to 1) Turn the camera shutter sound off on my phone via Root Explorer...2) Disable a bunch of Samsung bloat I don't use...3) Have the ability to back up my apps and data as well as restore them...4)Customize my phone using XPosed and Wanam on a deodexed stock rom...etc, then it's not even a close trade off. I'm going with root 3 times out of 4.

Deathbyillusion said:
Does Samsung Pay have some extra cool feature that Google Wallet Doesn't? I'm just asking cause I haven't looked into Samsung Pay. In my opinion if a pay system app can't be used on r root I'm not sure if I trust the app because they might think it will be hacked but they need to make it secure on all aspects.
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Yes, Samsung Pay uses MST (magnetic secure transmission), aka the tech they acquired from LoopPay. This allows you to use your phone to pay at terminals, even if they don't have NFC. It'll emulate the magnetic field created when you physically swipe your card. So, basically it'll work in most places that Google Wallet (or Apple Pay) won't.
Sure, you can just use the Google Wallet card, but if you have it connected to multiple accounts, it's not always easy to remember which one is set as default or to change on the fly the one you want to use. At least with Samsung Pay & the Wallet app, I can choose my card on the fly.

I'm in the beta and raring to go. Sadly my BoA debit card was compromised earlier in the week and so I have to wait for the new one to arrive before I can test.

goobyjr9 said:
I've been accepted into Samsung Pay beta testing and unfortunately since I've tripped knox this is what happens. I have the apk files for both the app and framework.
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Did you try odin back to stock and activating Samsung Pay? If not, can you try it out and let us know the results?
I got into Samsung Pay today but too sick to go try it out somewhere.

RMXO said:
Did you try odin back to stock and activating Samsung Pay? If not, can you try it out and let us know the results?
I got into Samsung Pay today but too sick to go try it out somewhere.
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Any update? Did you ever try it?
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LaRosa217 said:
Yes, Samsung Pay uses MST (magnetic secure transmission), aka the tech they acquired from LoopPay. This allows you to use your phone to pay at terminals, even if they don't have NFC. It'll emulate the magnetic field created when you physically swipe your card. So, basically it'll work in most places that Google Wallet (or Apple Pay) won't.
Sure, you can just use the Google Wallet card, but if you have it connected to multiple accounts, it's not always easy to remember which one is set as default or to change on the fly the one you want to use. At least with Samsung Pay & the Wallet app, I can choose my card on the fly.
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So I too have been accepted to the beta for Samsung pay. The only issue is I don't have any qualifying debit or credit cards to add because they don't have that many the day except at this time which is kind of dumb. But you spoke of LoopPay and I had also read that Samsung had acquired that or something like that so I checked in Google Play and sure enough LoopPay is still there so I thought hey if they have this cool feature where you can just use existing card readers and phone acts as a magnetic strip and seeing how the new Samsung phones have a feature built in and that it's possible that it works if you're rooted or if it doesn't it probably just checks for root and in theory you could just use root cloak to hide your route for the app so I thought why not download LoopPay.
So I downloaded Lupe installed it I'm verified my information but then when I go to add cards it says you currently don't have a connecting device to add a card because with LoopPay it requires you to buy a fob that plugs in to where the 3.5 mm or you can also use a card reader in the 3.5 mm which costs around 40 or 50 bucks. If the LoopPay hardware is built into our devices why does it ask me to have these add ons hooked into the 3.5 mm? Why would they do this? that seems pretty stupid if you ask me.
Maybe they can update LoopPay to not have to have the additional hardware that you need to buy. As far as what I've been saying about the app there's no information in Google Play saying that they are emerging over the Samsung pay for that the apps closing but I could be or they just haven't released anything yet. But it would be kind of a stupid move to murder / to Samsung pay for everyone because not everybody has a Samsung device and won't be able to use samsung pay so maybe that's why is not changing or merging.

travisw0204 said:
I agree 1,000%. Google Wallet is accepted at a lot of places and works well while rooted. If I have to part with Samsung Pay to 1) Turn the camera shutter sound off on my phone via Root Explorer...2) Disable a bunch of Samsung bloat I don't use...3) Have the ability to back up my apps and data as well as restore them...4)Customize my phone using XPosed and Wanam on a deodexed stock rom...etc, then it's not even a close trade off. I'm going with root 3 times out of 4.
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Just wanted to give you a heads up that you can disable the camera shutter sound even if your bone stock or rooted just by going into the camera settings scrolling to the bottom and tapping the disable shutter sound button. Atleast Its def been in my camera app since the day I purchased my phone. Any who just wanted to point that out. Thanks

veritasaequita said:
Just wanted to give you a heads up that you can disable the camera shutter sound even if your bone stock or rooted just by going into the camera settings scrolling to the bottom and tapping the disable shutter sound button. Atleast Its def been in my camera app since the day I purchased my phone. Any who just wanted to point that out. Thanks
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I definitely don't have it. Its all good though. I have the Sprint variant of the phone.

travisw0204 said:
I definitely don't have it. Its all good though. I have the Sprint variant of the phone.
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Oh that makes sense, bring your Sprint device into a T-Mobile thread and complain
On a serious note, it seems like Sprint takes out quite a few features, kinda sucks. A simple feature for muting the shutter sound? Why remove?

leo9891 said:
Oh that makes sense, bring your Sprint device into a T-Mobile thread and complain [emoji14]
On a serious note, it seems like Sprint takes out quite a few features, kinda sucks. A simple feature for muting the shutter sound? Why remove?
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Actually I was just speaking in general as far as people justifying why they root. Its pretty universal as far as what you can and can't do. ?
I actually haven't owned a Samsung device where you could turn the shutter sound off for Sprint. The last one I could was the HTC EVO LTE. Its an easy fix once rooted though. My Gear 2 had no shutter sound option either. I had to root it in order to turn it off. Its something about privacy or something like that. I can easily turn the volume on my Ringer to silent and it will remedy that problem.

root access to S8 or S8+

does any know if s8 or s8+ can be rooted?
are there plans to do this or does samsung now block this?
some tools titanium backup et.al. need root access

Yeah I also want to root it. Plz anyone tell the method.
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Won't be a method until it's released, then I'm certain the devs here will start cracking on it. Give time, the guys here are pretty good at what they do but there's still no guarantee root will be achieved (US models that is).

waninae39 said:
does any know if s8 or s8+ can be rooted?
are there plans to do this or does samsung now block this?
some tools titanium backup et.al. need root access
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Root will happen
(If not I'll be suprised)
Look at s7 edge (exynos) if you want to have the approximate method.
Once twrp is released, I bet around the beginning of Mai, you will be able to install it using Odin (breaks knox, s pay, etc)
From there you'll be able to flash whatever you want (magisk, SuperSU, etc)
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Although I just stumbled over this:
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Finally, the Exynos 8895 also includes what Samsung is calling an “enhanced security sub-system with a separate security processing unit” for use with user authentication, mobile payments, and the like. Based on Samsung’s description this sounds a heck of a lot like Apple’s Secure Enclave, which would be a very welcome development, as in Apple’s case it has made their phones a lot harder to break into.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11149/...-8895-soc-10nm

yeah, saw on their website that encryption layers are going to be a lot stronger. I still think it'll be cracked. It's a large enough phone. just might take longer than normal.

Even root on Verizon's locked bootloader?
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Yea root not enough for me, also need unlocked bootloader

geez the phones not even out yet. Gotta give the devs time to get there hands on the phone, then time to actually find a way to root it.

Would it be wise to right off the bat unenable automatic downloads of "Security Update: Improves Performance and Battery" in case someone finds a way to Root and they slip in an irreversible Firmware Update?

I bought this phone knowing it's going to be at least a year before at minimum root being achieved
if at all ,so I'm not getting my hopes up at all
This phone might be the straw the breaks the developers backs
I only needed a rooted phone for ARU unchained anyway ,but since the area51 got it to work unrooted
I can afford to wait

The Phone Company said:
Would it be wise to right off the bat unenable automatic downloads of "Security Update: Improves Performance and Battery" in case someone finds a way to Root and they slip in an irreversible Firmware Update?
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i mean yea, kinda, but your not gonna get updates. Personally I am just gonna update my phone, and hopefully they find a way to root. My biggest concern is using samsung pay with my Gear S3, while having my phone rooted. idk if that will be possible so until then im just gonna wait.

Zeal415 said:
i mean yea, kinda, but your not gonna get updates.
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What do you mean? Even my Note 4 after ages waiting for the newest Android (Lollipop and Marshmallow) and nothing else for some suspicious reason recently they have been pushing updates pretty regular with the exact same description I posted, "improves performance and enhances battery life" or some $h!t which from experience these updates definitely do NOT do anything of the sort so it makes you wonder…

Zeal415 said:
i mean yea, kinda, but your not gonna get updates. Personally I am just gonna update my phone, and hopefully they find a way to root. My biggest concern is using samsung pay with my Gear S3, while having my phone rooted. idk if that will be possible so until then im just gonna wait.
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I use Samsung pay with my gear S3 and it's linked to my rooted 6p.

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What do you mean? Even my Note 4 after ages waiting for the newest Android (Lollipop and Marshmallow) and nothing else for some suspicious reason recently they have been pushing updates pretty regular with the exact same description I posted, "improves performance and enhances battery life" or some $h!t which from experience these updates definitely do NOT do anything of the sort so it makes you wonder…
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I hear you, preference I guess, I just like being up to date. I find that sometimes you are unable to use certain features without the updates.
I have the note 4 myself, and the only update that was a problem with that phone was MM, you could not downgrade from it. I have the AT&T variant so, no root access, and the current temp root that they have listed on the forums is not viable because your only temp rooted on experimental testing firmware.
The main feature you'll be missing out on is Bixby most likely, idk how good it will be or how bad, but you'll be behind that, apparently Bixby is not finished yet, and will not be shipped with the phone, at least not the complete version.
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I use Samsung pay with my gear S3 and it's linked to my rooted 6p.
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Thanks! Now I know.

Zeal415 said:
The main feature you'll be missing out on is Bixby most likely, idk how good it will be or how bad, but you'll be behind that, apparently Bixby is not finished yet, and will not be shipped with the phone, at least not the complete version.
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Haha, Buzby (as I call it) is the one INTRUSION I do NOT want!! Never asked for it, just forced upon us. This would be great, but I suspect the Phone already has Bixby embedded into it, what with all the hype (publicity for it) about it not functioning at launch I believe is a marketing ploy to bring attention to it. The part that is not being made available at launch is their end, nothing to do with needing an update for it to work (for those who blindly want it).
See, you watch, they will make such a big deal, like a major announcement when it is made to function and they "switch on their Bixby servers" it'll be posted all over the web like when the Note 7 fiasco (supposedly) happened.
Stop for second. And think. THINK. For yourself. That right there is invaluable advice. Bixby is not your friend.

bryce850 said:
I use Samsung pay with my gear S3 and it's linked to my rooted 6p.
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I use it also from my S7 Edge. Works just fine. I have the BT version of the Gear S3 tho. Pay dont work with international(the one on amazon) version of the S3.

A few questions about rooting from a noobie.

I haven't rooted a phone since I had my Galaxy S2 so i'm a bit out of the loop.
I'm just wondering if it's possible to continue using banking apps (Halifax) and Google Pay after rooting?
Is it possible to return to completely stock when the time comes to sell the phone?
Can anyone recommend a custom rom to try first? I'm not looking for any specific features i'm just a bit bored and fancy tinkering with my phone
Thanks

Goooober said:
I haven't rooted a phone since I had my Galaxy S2 so i'm a bit out of the loop.
I'm just wondering if it's possible to continue using banking apps (Halifax) and Google Pay after rooting?
Is it possible to return to completely stock when the time comes to sell the phone?
Can anyone recommend a custom rom to try first? I'm not looking for any specific features i'm just a bit bored and fancy tinkering with my phone
Thanks
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Is it a OnePlus or something!! If its OnePlus you can completely go stock while selling (msm tool) helps you with that...some banking app works some dont according to yours app!

Goooober said:
I haven't rooted a phone since I had my Galaxy S2 so i'm a bit out of the loop.
I'm just wondering if it's possible to continue using banking apps (Halifax) and Google Pay after rooting?
Is it possible to return to completely stock when the time comes to sell the phone?
Can anyone recommend a custom rom to try first? I'm not looking for any specific features i'm just a bit bored and fancy tinkering with my phone
Thanks
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You will have to play around with Magisk and its modules. I use Magisk and its Hide ability and it works for my banking apps. For google pay you might need something like this

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You will have to play around with Magisk and its modules. I use Magisk and its Hide ability and it works for my banking apps. For google pay you might need something like this
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No modules needed to get GPay working, just with Magisk Hide it'll work

Question Rooting now or later?

Could there be any downside to root my phone now (with Magisk) as if I were doing it later?
Is it possible that future versions of Magisk (or any other rooting method) will retain more original factory features (Google Pay, Samsung Pay, Widevien DRM etc...?
Or is this very unlikely?

At least everything related to Knox (e.g. Samsung Pay, Secure Folder....) will not work any more once unlocked and rooted - even if relocking and going back to full stock.
GPay should work now..... but this is judging from my experience with other current phones, still waiting for Samsung to deliver my S22U

s3axel said:
At least everything related to Knox (e.g. Samsung Pay, Secure Folder....) will not work any more once unlocked and rooted - even if relocking and going back to full stock.
GPay should work now..... but this is judging from my experience with other current phones, still waiting for Samsung to deliver my S22U
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What about warranty ? does unlocking bootloader or rooting or flashing custom rom break he warranty ?

nabil427 said:
What about warranty ? does unlocking bootloader or rooting or flashing custom rom break he warranty ?
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Yes

Does relocking your bootloader revert to allowing you to use bank apps once again?

nabil427 said:
What about warranty ? does unlocking bootloader or rooting or flashing custom rom break he warranty ?
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I definitely want to root my phone to gain maximum control over it.
The conrol over my phone is more important to me than the warranty.
As far as I know sadly until now Knox was never bypassed.

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Yes
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I wish someone could find a solution to bypass Knox.

dj24 said:
Does relocking your bootloader revert to allowing you to use bank apps once again?
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I have read that banking apps work on rooted devices. You do not need to relock your bootloader.

Alibab said:
I have read that banking apps work on rooted devices. You do not need to relock your bootloader.
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They do, at least on my recently rooted phones and for the apps I use.... Safetynet passes, Gpay ist working fine....
But this is the usual cat&mouse game , actually for the S22U my intention is to try going unrooted - we'll see how long this holds

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Is it possible that future versions of Magisk ...?
Or is this very unlikely?
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Indeed we have no idea about "future of magisk" so don't rely on future verion of magisk
If you want to root, just look into current scenario and decide you want to root or not. As of now (On OneUI 4.0 on other devices) Samsung Pay & Samung Pass (and Knox thingy) doesn't work. Though it doen't mean everything other works, still you needs to patch multiple things like Samsung Health, Secure folder, Private sharing and may be more. Also many apps may not work but you needs to hide them with magisk (Still no guarantee it will work)
So my pesonal advice is to before jumping to rooting, read as much possible rooting and magisk thread. Rooting is one way, once you trip knox, it's for forever and some stuff never work again even after relocking bootloader.

Alibab said:
I definitely want to root my phone to gain maximum control over it.
The conrol over my phone is more important to me than the warranty.
As far as I know sadly until now Knox was never bypassed.
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There have been ongoing issues and failures with the variable rate displays going back to the N20U, it could to be an expensive gamble.
There's zero track record for this model but expect more of the same...
Relatively little display failures with the N10+ fixed rate display even after over 2 years.
The resale value will be diminished and forget a trade-in. Rooting will destroy some of its core functionality, forever. Too many "I bricked my phone" threads here already... at least take a few months to start to get to know your stock new phone. Better have deep pockets if you decide to root this Samsung...

dr.ketan said:
Indeed we have no idea about "future of magisk" so don't rely on future verion of magisk
If you want to root, just look into current scenario and decide you want to root or not. As of now (On OneUI 4.0 on other devices) Samsung Pay & Samung Pass (and Knox thingy) doesn't work. Though it doen't mean everything other works, still you needs to patch multiple things like Samsung Health, Secure folder, Private sharing and may be more. Also many apps may not work but you needs to hide them with magisk (Still no guarantee it will work)
So my pesonal advice is to before jumping to rooting, read as much possible rooting and magisk thread. Rooting is one way, once you trip knox, it's for forever and some stuff never work again even after relocking bootloader.
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dr.keaton you are my android guru!
Will you get your S22 next week?
What will you do with it? Will you root your device as soon as you have it?
On previous Note devices, I always waited for your first custom rom before I rooted my devices.

blackhawk said:
at least take a few months to start to get to know your stock new phone.
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I just love the sexy hardware of this phone.
I have nausea from the original software-stack of this device.
I would never use it with factory software in everyday life.
If it would be possible I would wipe everything from it and would install some GNU/Linux distro on it.

s3axel said:
They do, at least on my recently rooted phones and for the apps I use.... Safetynet passes, Gpay ist working fine....
But this is the usual cat&mouse game , actually for the S22U my intention is to try going unrooted - we'll see how long this holds
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It’s pretty annoying that you have to play such a cat & mouse game after you paid the hefty price of this device.
It is annoying how much Samsung, Google et al. are trying to restrict users freedom.

The kind of topic that makes me want to leave Android and go iPhone.

DoKaTSuYa said:
The kind of topic that makes me want to leave Android and go iPhone.
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I can't see any reason why iphone/apple ecosystem would be better than Android.
I wish the Linux phone ecosystem was more mature.

Alibab said:
I just love the sexy hardware of this phone.
I have nausea from the original software-stack of this device.
I would never use it with factory software in everyday life.
If it would be possible I would wipe everything from it and would install some GNU/Linux distro on it.
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Doesn't make much sense to buy this phone than if the native UI pukes you out.
The hardware is lacking; no SD card slot. A poorer form factor/layout than the N10+ as well and 1 mm thicker. No APTX HD and no 3.5 mm jack. Meh.
The most outrageous insult comes from Google Android itself; scoped storage is fully active. Nullifying some of the speed and efficiency; the old Intel/MS paradox reincarnates itself once again. With scoped storage come a slew of 3rd party app issues not create by Samsung at all.

Alibab said:
It’s pretty annoying that you have to play such a cat & mouse game after you paid the hefty price of this device.
It is annoying how much Samsung, Google et al. are trying to restrict users freedom.
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Hmm, honestly speaking nobody is forcing anybody to unlock and root his device
From an IT security standpoint there is a reason for preventing modifications to a phone used by many for things like paying, storing sensitive data, having access to restricted data via specific apps, to corporate email accounts for BYOD etc etc
I am among the first to embrace tweaking options but in the end it all depends on what I use root access for: easy backup/restore of apps including user data, adblocking, UI +system tweaking, limiting of (for me) unnecessary system processes to optimize battery - all of this could easily be integrated by the manufacturers ....
In the end the good thing about Android is that you have a choice and maybe for rooting/tweaking Samsung isn't the best due to Knox and it's irreversibility....

Alibab said:
dr.keaton you are my android guru!
Will you get your S22 next week?
What will you do with it? Will you root your device as soon as you have it?
On previous Note devices, I always waited for your first custom rom before I rooted my devices.
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Hopefully I am getting in couple of days.
First I will setup device and look if any hardware issue. If everything fine, will root same day.

dr.ketan said:
Hopefully I am getting in couple of days.
First I will setup device and look if any hardware issue. If everything fine, will root same day.
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What tests do you use to check hardware issues?