I missed this, both the 10in & 8.4in are part of the Android Enterprise program, delivering at least one major OS update (9) and "Delivery of Android security updates within 90 days of release from Google, for a minimum of three years"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...ar-of-excellence-for-enterprise-mobility/amp/
https://www.android.com/enterprise/device-collection/#android_enterprise_recommended
I'm wondering if Huawei will release Android 9 (Pie) in 90 days. It would be really cool. I hope they will.
edit: It looks like, it is meant just for security patches
The commitment to get googles enterprise seal of approval is all of the following;
Patches for 3 years within 90 days of google release
At least 1 major OS version update
So at minimum, Android pie, and a patch every 3 months for 3 years. But possibly more...
Just give me 8.1 so I can use Netflix PiP. That's all I want.
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EU device stuck on July update, as soon as Google drop the October patch on my pixel, I'm starting a media campaign about how Huawei have already broken the Android Enterprise 90 day commitment. I'm returning both our devices for refund as they were sold under deception. I
Tick tock.....
The media lap up this sort of news.
I got .182 ist (C432) on my CMR-W09 20 minutes ago. IT has Security fix 01.08.2018.
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with CMR-AL09 still in 8.0.0.161(C432) / Security Patch: June 1, 2018,
3 months passed, almost 4 months
After a month, still the same situation.
No security patches, no 8.1, and I should stop because speaking about Android P on M5 is just an illusion.
Firmware with july, august and September security patches (on October) are "available" on HFF.
Shame yourself Huawei, shame yourself.
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You really need to be talking to Google to get Huawei booted off the Android Enterprise programme, it's giving the programme a bad name. At least Samsung had the decency not to enrol rather lie about updates ...
Funny how I thought Huawei will make sure all their flagship tablets will be updated regularly.
I am also stuck on .169 with july security update but via HFF I keep seeing some other regions are getting their updates and it makes me wonder if it is really Huawei's fault or just some regional bureaucracy stoppage.
I don't quite understand why updates with Android is so difficult. For Windows, updates will go to ANY computers, any brand or no brand. If anything, Windows 10 updates are forced down the users' throat wanted or not.
Why can't Google take more control of their own OS's updates? It is not as if PC makers don't mess with and install crap over Windows, yet the core OS will get updated without the need for any help from the PC makers.
alvinlwh said:
I don't quite understand why updates with Android is so difficult. For Windows, updates will go to ANY computers, any brand or no brand. If anything, Windows 10 updates are forced down the users' throat wanted or not.
Why can't Google take more control of their own OS's updates? It is not as if PC makers don't mess with and install crap over Windows, yet the core OS will get updated without the need for any help from the PC makers.
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Google is going into that direction now with Treble, but unless almost all OS versions are not treble compatible there is no force to do so. In addition as Google has no possibility to push out updates to end customer devices directly (beside Pixel / Nexus devices) but only by the channel of producer / provider they need their cooperation ... but unfortunately updates don't sell new devices, in contrary they stimulate people to use their devices longer. Do you see the dilemma?
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Google is going into that direction now with Treble, but unless almost all OS versions are not treble compatible there is no force to do so. In addition as Google has no possibility to push out updates to end customer devices directly (beside Pixel / Nexus devices) but only by the channel of producer / provider they need their cooperation ... but unfortunately updates don't sell new devices, in contrary they stimulate people to use their devices longer. Do you see the dilemma?
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I completely agree with this part "updates don't sell new devices". However it can also apply equally to computers. I cannot understand why Windows can retain control of their OS (too much in fact for Windows 10) but Google cannot. Is it not in Google's interest to have a stable and secure OS?
I think Project Treble (and Android One I think) is a way to retain control, but Google stills leaves it to manufacturers to implement it or not right?
alvinlwh said:
I don't quite understand why updates with Android is so difficult. For Windows, updates will go to ANY computers, any brand or no brand. If anything, Windows 10 updates are forced down the users' throat wanted or not.
Why can't Google take more control of their own OS's updates? It is not as if PC makers don't mess with and install crap over Windows, yet the core OS will get updated without the need for any help from the PC makers.
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windows is a massive mess when it comes to updates, Microsoft has to tip-toe around drivers, and even then they always mess up, and you end up waiting for the OEM to release a driver update package, which they never do. Then you hunt the drivers yourself, and find the OEM's who made the parts, are now out of business, or simply do not support the products anymore.
I have an Asus T100taf and I don't think autobrightness will ever work again on it, quite a shame really.
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windows is a massive mess when it comes to updates, Microsoft has to tip-toe around drivers, and even then they always mess up, and you end up waiting for the OEM to release a driver update package, which they never do. Then you hunt the drivers yourself, and find the OEM's who made the parts, are now out of business, or simply do not support the products anymore.
I have an Asus T100taf and I don't think autobrightness will ever work again on it, quite a shame really.
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At least my 8 years old Windows 7 laptop is still getting updates. Can't say the same for a 2 years old Android.
I noticed you are having problem with a Windows 10 tablet, that one is indeed a massive mess, no option to delay or turn down updates, Windows will force the updates through no matter you like it or not, often disrupting the use of equipment with massive slowdowns or reboot. Worse, sometimes bricking the computer. At least on Windows 7, I can delay accepting updates for a few weeks/months to give them a chance to pull dodgy updates.
Point I am trying to make here is on Windows (7 at least), I can tell the OS to look for an update from its makers and install it if it is available, the OEM of the machine have no input in this process. Where as on Androids, I have to depend on the maker of the OEM to update my OS which is not made by them. I know that OEMs often customise (meaning mess around) with the Android OS but so do many Windows computer OEMs yet the core Windows OS still get updated regularly.
Also, Asus is not quite out of business, but they are the worse for providing updated firmware. I had a ZF3 (Android) for a few months and every single update breaks the phone a little. They released a final update that breaks many functions for many users (check their own forum) and then say they will not be providing anymore updates. I now avoid anything with an Asus name on it.
alvinlwh said:
At least my 8 years old Windows 7 laptop is still getting updates. Can't say the same for a 2 years old Android.
I noticed you are having problem with a Windows 10 tablet, that one is indeed a massive mess, no option to delay or turn down updates, Windows will force the updates through no matter you like it or not, often disrupting the use of equipment with massive slowdowns or reboot. Worse, sometimes bricking the computer. At least on Windows 7, I can delay accepting updates for a few weeks/months to give them a chance to pull dodgy updates.
Point I am trying to make here is on Windows (7 at least), I can tell the OS to look for an update from its makers and install it if it is available, the OEM of the machine have no input in this process. Where as on Androids, I have to depend on the maker of the OEM to update my OS which is not made by them. I know that OEMs often customise (meaning mess around) with the Android OS but so do many Windows computer OEMs yet the core Windows OS still get updated regularly.
Also, Asus is not quite out of business, but they are the worse for providing updated firmware. I had a ZF3 (Android) for a few months and every single update breaks the phone a little. They released a final update that breaks many functions for many users (check their own forum) and then say they will not be providing anymore updates. I now avoid anything with an Asus name on it.
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I had a ZF3 also, that phone didn't really last that long, but I found it fine for the year I had it, accidentally took it swimming (RIP). I had a good experience with the updates, Zen UI was a bit heavy, but it did get Android N, shame about Oreo. But after that I have ditched them, there are better manafacturers, I was considering the Asus Zenfone 3 zoom as my next phone, but they sabotaged it with a snapdragon 625. I would have preferred something faster. Every phone they have has a flaw on it, which is a real shame. I would get an Asus 5z for example, but LCD err no, my OP5T has spoiled me with Amoled glory
Asus is still in business, but I mean on the individual device level, I can't find a driver for a "Capella Micro Brightness sensor xxxx" can't remember the numbers but I put it into Google and nothing, can't find any drivers for that, so bye bye autobrightness. That tablet also is kinda dead, I broke the screen on it, and apart from 2 that I replaced (and broke again, by opening the device too far!!) the replacements don't work, they have phantom touches or are very weak. The device was flawed from the get-go, it was mainly held together with the front glass, now I removed it, it is very wobbly and weak.
Android tablets, at least they aren't broken by updates so much, I had an Asus tablet, but an update came along, and bricked it!! I told Asus and they agreed about an RMA (within warranty period thank god), but I also managed to break the screen on that (god I'm a nightmare, except my phone has no scratches or scuffs ) but besides that tablet I don't think has any updates, it topped out at Android N also, despite having a relatively simple SOC and everything.
This one, the MediaPad M5 has been the best so far, I've had about 3 updates, bug fixes mainly, but also GPU Turbo, they did take a while pushing that to the EU, but at least it was still done!
At least I can root and do what I want with my devices now, unlike my Mediatek Asus tablet, and the Windows one, that is toast now anyway, slow atom cpu.
Funnily enough, the MediaPad M5 is the most powerful laptop I own, it zips through web pages where my Asus devices will be chugging along, and well my iPad 2 might load it tomorrow
Windows was good, until 10. I have a windows XP laptop, that is fully supported on 7, missing a GPU driver for Windows 10, but there is a fan made one! (never heard of this happening before) and it works, but I prefer windows 7 as it's more fitting for the device.
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I had a ZF3 also, that phone didn't really last that long, but I found it fine for the year I had it, accidentally took it swimming (RIP). I had a good experience with the updates, Zen UI was a bit heavy, but it did get Android N, shame about Oreo. But after that I have ditched them, there are better manafacturers, I was considering the Asus Zenfone 3 zoom as my next phone, but they sabotaged it with a snapdragon 625. I would have preferred something faster. Every phone they have has a flaw on it, which is a real shame. I would get an Asus 5z for example, but LCD err no, my OP5T has spoiled me with Amoled glory
Asus is still in business, but I mean on the individual device level, I can't find a driver for a "Capella Micro Brightness sensor xxxx" can't remember the numbers but I put it into Google and nothing, can't find any drivers for that, so bye bye autobrightness. That tablet also is kinda dead, I broke the screen on it, and apart from 2 that I replaced (and broke again, by opening the device too far!!) the replacements don't work, they have phantom touches or are very weak. The device was flawed from the get-go, it was mainly held together with the front glass, now I removed it, it is very wobbly and weak.
Android tablets, at least they aren't broken by updates so much, I had an Asus tablet, but an update came along, and bricked it!! I told Asus and they agreed about an RMA (within warranty period thank god), but I also managed to break the screen on that (god I'm a nightmare, except my phone has no scratches or scuffs ) but besides that tablet I don't think has any updates, it topped out at Android N also, despite having a relatively simple SOC and everything.
This one, the MediaPad M5 has been the best so far, I've had about 3 updates, bug fixes mainly, but also GPU Turbo, they did take a while pushing that to the EU, but at least it was still done!
At least I can root and do what I want with my devices now, unlike my Mediatek Asus tablet, and the Windows one, that is toast now anyway, slow atom cpu.
Funnily enough, the MediaPad M5 is the most powerful laptop I own, it zips through web pages where my Asus devices will be chugging along, and well my iPad 2 might load it tomorrow
Windows was good, until 10. I have a windows XP laptop, that is fully supported on 7, missing a GPU driver for Windows 10, but there is a fan made one! (never heard of this happening before) and it works, but I prefer windows 7 as it's more fitting for the device.
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Going off topic now but...
My Asus ZF3 is the ONLY phone (Android or not) that I had problem pairing the Bluetooth with my car. I am not the only one with the problem, people from US, TW, ES, BR, MY, etc all had reported the same problem. What Asus suggested is changing the car and some guy from US actually did that and still cannot pair his phone with his car. Instead of admitting that there is a fault with their messing around with the core firmware that broke the Bluetooth function, they insist it was someone else's fault. 2 or 3 updates later, the Bluetooth function was fixed BUT then they broke the camera focus (by then I had already dumped it). Based on their own forum, it seem that the update caused the OIS motor to burn out making it impossible move the lens to focus. For many owners, this point in time is already beyond 1 year of the original purchase date, making the phone out of warranty and costing them money to fix it, thanks to Asus's own update. Looking at their forum today, after the final update (Asus abandoned the phone now), the camera problem is still not fixed and there now are battery fast draining problem, WiFi problem, OTG problem, signal strength problem, missing VoLTE... Their support is useless, asking them something as technical as you "Capella Micro Brightness sensor xxxx" problem will get them all confused.
On to Windows, I hated Windows 10 so much that I actually use my 8 years old Windows 7 i3 laptop more often than my 3 years old Windows 10 i5 laptop. While the i3 is slower and less powerful, it is more predictable without the random crashes of Windows 10. Worse of all, Windows 10 likes to install updates and reboot without warning, causing serious inconvenience and could lead to a brick if it try to install an update on shutdown when the laptop is low on power.
...going back on topic now about the M5
I do agree with you that the M5 is pretty damn good in most aspect except the DPI and the thing seems to be confused about if it is a phone or a tablet, causing strange rendering of some apps. However (personally) I do find that Android devices do slow down to a point of almost unusability after around 18 months and I am very careful about installing the "final" update. I had 2 tablets (Toshiba AT300 and Nvida Shield K1) so far that are kind of rendered almost unusable after the "big final" update.
I do not root my devices anymore after a really bad experience where I bricked a brand new Motorola Atrix 4G thanks to a guide with incorrect instructions (I copied and pasted the commands so it was not a mistype by me) and I got laughed out of the forum (cannot remember if it is here or somewhere else) without any help. Can't afford to brick brand new devices all the time.
alvinlwh said:
I don't quite understand why updates with Android is so difficult. For Windows, updates will go to ANY computers, any brand or no brand. If anything, Windows 10 updates are forced down the users' throat wanted or not.
Why can't Google take more control of their own OS's updates? It is not as if PC makers don't mess with and install crap over Windows, yet the core OS will get updated without the need for any help from the PC makers.
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Its very simple. A mobile phone is not a PC. There is no IBM PC specification, no BIOS or common HAL. On a PC you need to install drivers and do all sorts of other maintenance. You have problems with abandoned PC hardware, which in a PC you can swap out with something else, you have driver incompatibility problems left right and centre, a fragile registry, DLL dependency hell, a joke of a security model, A PC slows down badly over time, due to its bloated servicing model, Android devices don't (unless the manufacturer is bullied into putting a version of OS it was never intended to run on it). PC is a upgradable long term device, mobiles are non upgradable disposable devices.
Its very clear you don't understand the technical difference between a PC and a mobile device. Come back when you do. Don't feel bad, the cretins in the tech press don't understand either, and it's their job to understand...
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Its very simple. A mobile phone is not a PC. There is no IBM PC specification, no BIOS or common HAL. On a PC you need to install drivers and do all sorts of other maintenance. You have problems with abandoned PC hardware, which in a PC you can swap out with something else, you have driver incompatibility problems left right and centre, a fragile registry, DLL dependency hell, a joke of a security model, A PC slows down badly over time, due to its bloated servicing model, Android devices don't (unless the manufacturer is bullied into putting a version of OS it was never intended to run on it). PC is a upgradable long term device, mobiles are non upgradable disposable devices.
Its very clear you don't understand the technical difference between a PC and a mobile device. Come back when you do. Don't feel bad, the cretins in the tech press don't understand either, and it's their job to understand...
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It is very similar to a PC, well a linux running PC. Yes there are a few limitations, but you can run alternate OSes on android devices, eg. remember the Ubuntu on your phone type thing, that didn't last long because driver support doesn't really exist for components in your phone.
It's a shame it isn't i suppose, but then again i made the decision to buy a tablet over a windows laptop. I can't really argue which one is better, since we could be here all day. Sometimes it's nice to have a mobile device, others it is a crushing limitation. Thankfully i got my bootloader unlock code before it was too late!
What a shame
Android 9 and no Netflix PIP . Can't believe that I choose wrongly with the M5 ... There's a lot of potential but lack of interest by developers ( Netflix to be specific) and Huawei itself.
Hi
I am on OOS 10.0.11.GM21BA with Magisk and TWRP and I want to update to Android 11 11.0.3.1.GM21BA.
However, I saw that there are mentions of stuck devices after updating and the need for patched boot.img and what not.
Until now I used following method to update:
Disable Magisk Modules
Download newest TWRP to SD
Download Full OTA from OP servers to SD
Flash OTA via local update in system settings
Flash A/B retention script with Magisk
Install Magisk to inactive slot
Reboot
Is this method still a valid way of updating? Do I need some extra steps for the update to Android 11?
I would wait... major reported issues even on Pixel phones.
If your current OS is fast, stable and fulfilling it's mission, let it be.
You have nothing to gain.
Running on Android 11 the OnePlus ranks second to Samsung in having severe aggressive background app killing issues. The full implementation of scoped storage in R will devour cpu cycles like a kid eats candy.
The endless popups asking permission to do everything will give you a new pastime.
I can likely coexist with Q... but R is for reject.
Thanks for the informations @blackhawk !
I was actually hoping that I had waited long enough by now for the initial issues to be gone. I actually want to update because of security patches in the first place, which we can't get on Q anymore, at least with stock OOS.
Also, I have multiple friends that updated (just stock phones) and didn't have any major problems, in regards to background killing of apps too, which I would definitely go crazy over if I had to experience that again.
Do you have any further insight to the update process posted?
Nightmare[ITA] said:
Thanks for the informations @blackhawk !
I was actually hoping that I had waited long enough by now for the initial issues to be gone. I actually want to update because of security patches in the first place, which we can't get on Q anymore, at least with stock OOS.
Also, I have multiple friends that updated (just stock phones) and didn't have any major problems, in regards to background killing of apps too, which I would definitely go crazy over if I had to experience that again.
Do you have any further insight to the update process posted?
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Can't help you on the update process.
I don't think R will ever be fixed. So much so that I bought another N10+ because both Google Android and Samsung have been dropping the ball so badly I'm stepping back for 2-3 years.
The fact that the N10+ is still a good viable choice today shows how poorly Samsung has done particularly in 2021.
I wouldn't even think twice about not getting security updates. Unless you do something stupid*, malware simply isn't an issue on Android 9 and up. Q has all of the worst vulnerabilities patched anyway. Don't buy into the Gookill security hype.
Been running unpatched Pie N10+ for close to 2 years with over a year on the current load. No malware forced reloads ever, and no malware in over a year. Redundantly backup all critical data and be ready to reload if needed. Really a reload be less trouble than trying to implement R.
Watch what you download, keep email in the cloud, watch over the download folder for anomalies and you'll be fine.
*no saving dumb bunnies...
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Can't help you on the update process.
I don't think R will ever be fixed. So much so that I bought another N10+ because both Google Android and Samsung have been dropping the ball so badly I'm stepping back for 2-3 years.
The fact that the N10+ is still a good viable choice today shows how poorly Samsung has done particularly in 2021.
I wouldn't even think twice about not getting security updates. Unless you do something stupid*, malware simply isn't an issue on Android 9 and up. Q has all of the worst vulnerabilities patched anyway. Don't buy into the Gookill security hype.
Been running unpatched Pie N10+ for close to 2 years with over a year on the current load. No malware forced reloads ever, and no malware in over a year. Redundantly backup all critical data and be ready to reload if needed. Really a reload be less trouble than trying to implement R.
Watch what you download, keep email in the cloud, watch over the download folder for anomalies and you'll be fine.
*no saving dumb bunnies...
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Sorry for the delayed response, it was actually not because I updated haha.
Well I can't really say much about R, since i haven't had personal day to day experience, and that's where the little things play a key role which can ruin your experience.
When it comes to the security part, I must say we have a different view on that topic. Unfortunately, you don't always have to be the reason for getting pwned, as there are vulnerability that are out of your ability to do something against it unless the system itself gets patched. The amount of those grows considerable faster once it's not updated anymore as the researchers know that there won't be any patch comming against it. Many of the vulnerability get searched on those system on purpose, especially if a big part of the users are still on that OS version. It becomes more lucrative for them then searching vulnerabilities on R and seeing it getting patched 4 weeks later.
Take RackTooth (which we currently don't know how it really works and how it can be fixed) for example, you are basically screwed once it gets out in the wild, if your device it not supported by the manufacturer anymore. That's also a reason why customs ROM are still so important and the manufacturer giving us the ability to unlock out bootloaders so we can continue to safely use our devices once they don't want to support it anymore.
I will probably be switching to Samsung too after my current device as I don't like where OnePlus is headed, especially with the Oppo codebase merge and them giving up on devices so fast.
It's been 2 years and they still haven't fixed the f*cking call on speaker mic problem, nor the audio quality when making a call with Galaxy Buds+! It is really ridiculous. Kinda regret making 10 people in my surroundings get OnePlus phones....
It feels like Samsung is the only real option left, which is sad to see.
Nightmare[ITA] said:
Sorry for the delayed response, it was actually not because I updated haha.
Well I can't really say much about R, since i haven't had personal day to day experience, and that's where the little things play a key role which can ruin your experience.
When it comes to the security part, I must say we have a different view on that topic. Unfortunately, you don't always have to be the reason for getting pwned, as there are vulnerability that are out of your ability to do something against it unless the system itself gets patched. The amount of those grows considerable faster once it's not updated anymore as the researchers know that there won't be any patch comming against it. Many of the vulnerability get searched on those system on purpose, especially if a big part of the users are still on that OS version. It becomes more lucrative for them then searching vulnerabilities on R and seeing it getting patched 4 weeks later.
Take RackTooth (which we currently don't know how it really works and how it can be fixed) for example, you are basically screwed once it gets out in the wild, if your device it not supported by the manufacturer anymore. That's also a reason why customs ROM are still so important and the manufacturer giving us the ability to unlock out bootloaders so we can continue to safely use our devices once they don't want to support it anymore.
I will probably be switching to Samsung too after my current device as I don't like where OnePlus is headed, especially with the Oppo codebase merge and them giving up on devices so fast.
It's been 2 years and they still haven't fixed the f*cking call on speaker mic problem, nor the audio quality when making a call with Galaxy Buds+! It is really ridiculous. Kinda regret making 10 people in my surroundings get OnePlus phones....
It feels like Samsung is the only real option left, which is sad to see.
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There are security vulnerabilities, simply be aware of them and do what you to mitigate them.
After over a year of zero updates though I know the actual threat level is low. Updates are far more likely to cripple the phone than malware.
Most victims pawn themselves, one way or another. The other common inept screw up of those infected is failure to promptly address abnormal behaviors.
Malware needs to be resolved immediately and the phone shutdown until it is. Trojan preloaders count on a person's lack of wherewithal and failure to act promptly. If I got nailed now, at the worst I be reloaded and 99% fully operational in about 2 hours. 6 if I lost the SD card data.
So what? My data, security, everything is redundant, replaceable, resetable.
Right now unless you go with a older Samsung still running on 10 or 9, there aren't many good options. 2022 is looking bleak as well. This is one reason why I got another 10+. In my opinion it's the zenith of Samsung Note flagships and of Android OS. I'm a pragmatist, I go with what works best. The hype rolls right off like water from a duck.
We are in living a pond of hyperbole
blackhawk said:
There are security vulnerabilities, simply be aware of them and do what you to mitigate them.
After over a year of zero updates though I know the actual threat level is low. Updates are far more likely to cripple the phone than malware.
Most victims pawn themselves, one way or another. The other common inept screw up of those infected is failure to promptly address abnormal behaviors.
Malware needs to be resolved immediately and the phone shutdown until it is. Trojan preloaders count on a person's lack of wherewithal and failure to act promptly. If I got nailed now, at the worst I be reloaded and 99% fully operational in about 2 hours. 6 if I lost the SD card data.
So what? My data, security, everything is redundant, replaceable, resetable.
Right now unless you go with a older Samsung still running on 10 or 9, there aren't many good options. 2022 is looking bleak as well. This is one reason why I got another 10+. In my opinion it's the zenith of Samsung Note flagships and of Android OS. I'm a pragmatist, I go with what works best. The hype rolls right off like water from a duck.
We are in living a pond of hyperbole
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The Pixel 6 / Pro is looking better every day. For once they didn't use specs from 2 years prior.
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The Pixel 6 / Pro is looking better every day. For once they didn't use specs from 2 years prior.
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No SD card slot which makes it useless to me.
It also lacks the intense customization stock Samsung's have by way of the Galaxy store.
Samsung's also have builtin workarounds for the lame swipe gesture navigation; Samsung's can easily be set to have screen navigation buttons.
Word of caution, the Samsung interface on Android 11 variant is reportedly a mess.
The spen is a feature I appreciate more the longer I own* the 10+. It's remote bt control and Smart Capture are extremely useful to me. Otherwise when not needed it neatly nests out of sight.
For power users the Note series is still the weapon of choice in many ways.
*lol, I'm still exploring the features in my original 10+ Pie variant. There are many. I play around with it. Even more on the Q variant and new UI features too, I haven't even played with those yet