Ive seen MS chose to combine IM and SMS and to me this looks really messy.
First of all the integration of IM is quite nice but I wish it was kept seperate from SMS conversations since these are to the majority of people still different than IMs and used on different devices or apps. I dont want to continue a conversation automatically on a different app or something. This will be very annoying to the other user.
Certainly if somebody just left his/her pc on or IM on accidently....
They should have added facebook private messaging as well and IM/SMS seperated like it was and just added a chat pivot in the messaging hub.
to me an sms is still something every user has always with him her, like when u send somebody an address or something it should be on their phones and not deliverd trough IM and its annoying having to switch first.
Its kind of short sighted implementation, the idea is good but the reality will be very annoying the way it works now.
you will get a ton of sms like notifications for every IM which can be annoying since on a chat conversation people send much more messages per minute than trough sms. Having to toggle online offline all the time will be a pita
am i the only one who thinks this will be garbage? Instead they should have allowed third party apps like whatsapp to use this on user permission. I hope I can switch off the live messenger. Or just revert back to the original sms screen
I like the idea to have an overview of my messages regardlessly whether they come via SMS, Windows Live or Facebook. Although I agree that getting notifications for all those messages shown on the SMS tile would be kind of overwhelming. But I can imagine Microsoft changes the way the tile works. So it still shows the number of SMS, but in addition to that shows an icon or something when you recieve a chat message from Facebook or Windows Live.
In my opinion.. the best feauture ever, of every OS. Loved that!
I love it as well, and think its nice not to have to go to 4 different places for my facebook, text, wlm & (eventually skype).
While I hope they either have a toggle setting for separate 'rows', or add it soon after Mango for those who really don't like it, I honestly doubt they want to mess it up by having too many places for messages. It fits in pretty perfectly with their vision for the overall UI design imo.
For me,M$ thread is not a new idea,it just copying the messaging app in the HP webos...however HP webos messaging is better,they can download apps that support HP connect and integrate into the messaging app(so,this means they can have more than 1 im clients in 1 messaging app).
Feel so sorry to HP webos,always being copied by others,even the UI design of playbook has been copied
Marvin_S said:
First of all the integration of IM is quite nice but I wish it was kept seperate from SMS conversations since these are to the majority of people still different than IMs and used on different devices or apps. I dont want to continue a conversation automatically on a different app or something. This will be very annoying to the other user.
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Threading will be the beginning of the end for SMS IMNSHO. Most people still use SMS because it's what they know and are used to.
My wife is a great example, she keeps sending me SMSes while I'm out because that's what she's used to. Even though I've had email (and to some extent IM) on my phones since forever. With a "messaging hub" it takes all the guesswork out of the equation - she'll write the message as she normally does and the phone will decide whether it should deliver via FB, Messenger, Skype or SMS.
Now, if you don't want to continue the conversation if the user has moved to a different device you don't have to. The phone will tell you how the message was sent as well as what services the recipient is currently logged on to.
Marvin_S said:
to me an sms is still something every user has always with him her, like when u send somebody an address or something it should be on their phones and not deliverd trough IM and its annoying having to switch first.
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This just proves my point - you're used to SMS. And again, you can choose whether to send as SMS or IM.
Personally I find this feature great. Two things should be done to make it even better though;
1. Implement a industry-wide protocol so it doesn't matter if you're on a crackberry, iphone or windows phone. Sure, Skype and Messenger goes a long way towards achieving this but there are still people who use smaller IM services only.
2. Allow third-party apps to hook in to the messaging hub - there's a few apps out there today that are not chat apps as such but still implement messaging. Being able to receive (and reply to) these messages from the same place would be great. It would also make it easier for other IM services to integrate with the OS.
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Although I agree that getting notifications for all those messages shown on the SMS tile would be kind of overwhelming.
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But why? Are you less likely to want to read a message coming in thru Messenger than one delivered via SMS? I for one don't care how my messages are delivered, I just want to be notified. It's a bit like having three post boxes outside your house - one for deliveries by DHL only, another for Deutsche Post and a third for everyone else - i.e. pointless
I really like this new feature as well. I am confident that any replies you send to someone will use the same service they used to "text" you, unless you choose to change it. People on non-WP7 phones won't suddenly need to be jumping all over the place.
On the other hand, when other people send you messages from multiple sources (SMS, FB, WLM, etc), you will be able to get all of the messages in one convenient place. I like that.
i want to start by saying i love my htc titan and the wp7 os. just one thing keeps bothering me....its the damn twitter and facebook notifications. i can have the titan side by side with my iphone 4 and my iphone gets notifications way before the titan does. not only does the me hub not make a sound so i have to check it all the time but it get them way later. the facebook app just sucks in general, and it doesnt show half of my notifications. the mehdoh twitter app is great except it doesnt get notifications in a timely manner neither. so before i switch back what does everyone use(app wise) and how do yall deal with the notifications.
Well it depends really. I use the built in "Me" hub for most of my stuff but since I have 3 twitter accounts for various business I use Seesmic.
Personally I would get really annoyed if my phone was dinging constantly from the flood of tweets. It is bad enough that I have notifications pop up on my desktop. I sggest letting microsoft know on their uservoice site that you want faster notifications on certain apps. They will listen.
Mehdoh runs as a background task so polls when the OS schedules it to (which MS claims is every 30 minutes, but in reality is more every 30-60 minutes... often closer to the latter).
If you want instant (or as close as) notifications then you need a twitter client that has push notifications. Rowi has them... Birdsong allegedly has them but a lot of people say its currently broken.
I have apps that send notifications but don't have a live tile which is extremely annoying because I end up missing all these notifications.
A notification center and a backup solution are desperately needed on this OS.
Hi everybody,
I'm new so I'm sorry if I violated a rule, or I missed the section, or else.
But I bought recently this beautiful smartwatch and paired with my P9 lite (Nougat) and I just saw the VERY BIG problem of this watch: WhatsApp's notifications.
So I started to download all the solutions, like the Chat Hub, W History etc etc ... all s**t both software and UI.
Downloaded Notification for Gear s123 (both versions available) but app crashed frequently.
I downloaded Double Check that you can receive notification via this app and WhatsApp too, so double notifications for one message and the watch receive double notifications too and often the watch did not vibrated.
With all this "test" I understand the mechanism of Gear s2's notifications system so I started to develop an app for that, but immediately I applied the first rule of programming:
If something has already been done, do not do it again.
I looked for a message merger:
Then I downloaded an app called Disa from the play store and installed the WhatsApp plugin and now all is ok !!!!!
PRO
- Read all messages
- Reply to all messages
- On phone, you can merge all the notification from the same sender.
CONS
- When you open a message on watch you can see this struct:
Sender
Messages
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messages
But only when you open the notification!
-Sender profile image no more on the background of the watch when receiving a notification.
-Has a different UI for use whatsapp.
However, it's a temporary solution, basically it's just an update to whatsapp or Gear or ... Then I don't know if an update will breaks the app, but at the moment works very very well.
Now I'm working on the development of an app I'm going to do for free but my work takes me a long time.
I hope to have helped.
Best regards!
Thank you so much for the tip! Appreciate your work and may you develop an awesome app to rectify a problem that Samsung doesn't want to
Thank you, I appreciate your support.
However it's not all the fault of Samsung. In fact, the Gear Notification Manager (seems) works that if the app on the phone has the permission to vibrate, the smartwatch vibrates, if the notification on the smartphone contains some information (in this case the messages) then the smartwatch shows that information. WhatsApp restricts Gear functionality through the notification system it has adopted. In other words, Disa sends notifications to the smartphone in a different way, for example, Disa doesn't show the sender's profile photo.
Little update:
Reply via Speech-to-text isn't supported on Gear.
I recently bought a Gear S3 and since then looking for a nice decent solution to the WhatsApp problem.
W-History is doing as promised, but a really ugly GUI.
Notifications for S123 doesn't work on my S3
Chat Hub I didn't check.
I ended up using Notifications Wear Style, which works well for me.
The free version can show 20 messages and then tells you to buy the premium version.
I was about to buy the premium version till I saw your post.
It made me really curious if you can come up with a free app and nice GUI would be a big plus.
Anyway, keep up the good work and hope to see your app soon.
Note that there are a lot of message merger in play store! I just download the first.
However, my work take me long time so I don't know when I can develop the app.
I can only view last received message from notifications thats it. Cant find a place for all messages.
Download from Play Store, an app called Disa. Then download (from app) the plugin for WhatsApp. After that you will able to read (and reply) all WhatsApp messagges.
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Download from Play Store, an app called Disa. Then download (from app) the plugin for WhatsApp. After that you will able to read (and reply) all WhatsApp messagges.
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Downloaded Disa yesterday, but when started it said that the original WhatsApp app needed to be deinstalled.
Is that correct ?
What are the consequences when the original client is deinstalled ?
Yes. I use this app from 9 days and no problem. The plugin support the end to end encryption.
If you use Disa you can't do call and videocall from WhatsApp.
For what remains you can do all what you do with WhatsApp.
On p9 lite works very well.
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Yes. I use this app from 9 days and no problem. The plugin support the end to end encryption.
If you use Disa you can't do call and videocall from WhatsApp.
For what remains you can do all what you do with WhatsApp.
On p9 lite works very well.
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Thanks for the quick answer and information.
Will I loose any current conversations from the original WhatsApp client when I deinstall it and start to use Disa ?
(just want to know before I get into surprises).
No problem man, we are all in the same boat.
And yes, you will loose all conversations.
Received today an upgrade for WhatsApp's plugin. Still no problem with the Gear.
was perfect solution if only allows call and videocall.. maybe in future this possible with Disa?
in every case thank you so much for the Trick
Well, I was thoroughly investigating the problem of notifications, not only with WhatsApp, but with apps like Telegram, Hagouts, Allo and so on. (Of all, only Facebook Messenger Lite had no problems and showed the history normally).
Well, from Android Nougat, the notifications have changed and have come to present more information, but the way Gear handles them yet! The Gear app sends the notifications by the title (or the name of the contact) AND the last information received.
Tizen receives the title and compares it with existing notification titles. If it matches, it will add the last information received in the saved messages. If the title of the notification differs from the one stored, it will understand that it is a new notification and then create a new page.
WhatsApp and Telegram notifications on Android nougat are like this:
For a message:
Name
For two messages:
Name (2 messages)
For three messages:
Name (3 messages)
And more ...
Therefore, the notification title changes each message, making what Tizen thinks is a new notification and creating a new page. The old message is deleted the title has changed and soon the system thinks it has been read.
Anyone who owned a device with the MM or lower could confirm my thesis?
yuzaman said:
was perfect solution if only allows call and videocall.. maybe in future this possible with Disa?
in every case thank you so much for the Trick
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Maybe... but I don't believe. The scope of Disa is to merge the messages not to do calls.
UPDATE: Yesterday I received an update of DIsa and WhatsApp's plugin. Still work!
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Maybe... but I don't believe. The scope of Disa is to merge the messages not to do calls.
UPDATE: Yesterday I received an update of DIsa and WhatsApp's plugin. Still work!
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Hi @erfack, I don't know if you are using any other method to read Whatsapp messages on Gear, but I have a Gear Sport and I still don't like any of the solutions when I compare to Android Wear.
I started to investigate it too, and this is what I found: If I connect an Android Wear device to my phone, a "Read More" option appears on the Gear Sport (tested in S2 and S3 too).
Full history:
I have a Gear Sport and, as many others, I'm trying to understand why the Read More options is not appearing in some third-party apps, like Whatsapp.
What I found is that if I have only my Gear Sport connected to my Galaxy S8+, the Read More options does not appear and I can only read the last message received, not the full conversation.
But if I connect another watch to my phone (I also have a Huawei Watch, which runs Android Wear 2) then the Read More option appears on the Gear Watch! Then I can read all messages received.
I have to believe that Samsung can correct this, since it appears to be a notification bug, solved somehow by the Android Wear connection.
For now, I'm just unable to switch from Android Wear to Tizen because of this ridiculous bug that is here since the Gear S2, as far as I read here on the foruns.
Anyway, thanks for your info on Disa!
Hi @Lucas_Skyline, I found there is an incompatibility by Tizen in the android notification system. This is caused by the new Android notification system that have more function and more types respect the oldest versions. Furthermore there's some difficulties about to write code 'cause, in Tizen, apps are written in C (now C++ and .NET too) while android is full Java. This is for Tizen. For WhatsApp, Mr. Zucks decided to not release API or source code of WhatsApp then is more hardest to circunmavigate this (ugly...very ugly!) bug.
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Hi @Lucas_Skyline, I found there is an incompatibility by Tizen in the android notification system. This is caused by the new Android notification system that have more function and more types respect the oldest versions. Furthermore there's some difficulties about to write code 'cause, in Tizen, apps are written in C (now C++ and .NET too) while android is full Java. This is for Tizen. For WhatsApp, Mr. Zucks decided to not release API or source code of WhatsApp then is more hardest to circunmavigate this (ugly...very ugly!) bug.
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Understood!
I was wondering why it works when I have a Android Wear device connected. I mean, it works on the Gear Sport, I connect my Huawei Watch and the "Read More" option appears. Maybe we could find a way to emulate an android wear device?
Is very very hard to simulate a OS (I think is possible, but the battery will drains after a couple of hour), but a custom solution is easy. Just change the notifications popup like Disa does. However I have the impression that is a commercial move by Android because Tizen is the 2nd wolrd's most popular OS for smartwatches ( Watch OS at 57%, Tizen at 19% and Android Wear at 18%).
not wark now whatsapp plugin ..
Hello,
I've been using the watch and I'm pretty satisfied with the experience but I am looking at expanding the user experience without my phone next to me. I have LTE watch. For example I can easily send text messages but most of the people are using FB Messenger or whatsapp- is there any way to send messages from watch on those two apps? I can only reply if I get the message but cannot start the conversaton. Thank you
Yep. This the problem which I also looked into.
There are only apps ( more/less smart) like "Informer" which work over notifications.
Catch is that there is no native Whatsapp app for Wear OS.
Untill someone make native Wear OS whatsapp client - situation will not change
Basically it should not be so hard. It can work somehow like Whatsapp client for desktop ( Windows ). An app like that i got for Tizen on Galaxy Watch
I use Samsung messages, but for some reason it does not display the Sender's name, only the number. I already have a number both in the international format and in the local, all the same, only a phone number. Anyone else?
you can sideload the app but whatsapp atm can't login twice
Hello!
I am very disappointed that there is no preview of the earlier Messenger notification, but only the last ones.
that's why I had an idea how to do it. maybe a bit strange but it works
I am sending a way, maybe someone will like it or think of how to improve it
I use Macrodroid from Store on my phone and make two makro's(in attatch)
This macro duplicate notify from Messenger and still alive. Works only when phone is block. When unlock Notification clear.
We can read all messages from Messenger app.
I set up Notification strange low on Macrodroid that on watch first see original last message from Messenger to fast replay
Herehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/154flHXPZo4Vd-Pe0lLBFQ6FY2kjafGB0?usp=sharingh
Nevermid i had problem with messenger app.
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Glad everything is now good.