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Hi guys,
Am I able to root nb4 firmware on n9005 without tripping the knox? I've paid and downloaded the gta:sa and i can't play it on my phone!
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brysonwong said:
Hi guys,
Am I able to root nb4 firmware on n9005 without tripping the knox? I've paid and downloaded the gta:sa and i can't play it on my phone!
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Short answer is no.
radicalisto said:
Short answer is no.
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Does the long answer means that i won't be able to root without tripping knox in the soon future?
i tried to use kingo root and and states that know will definitly be tripped.
De La Vega isnt comfortable for now on the nb4.
Im asking knowing that the dev's might find a way to revert knox, but that might take time and theres way im staying unrooted all this time.
eeebbr said:
Does the long answer means that i won't be able to root without tripping knox in the soon future?
i tried to use kingo root and and states that know will definitly be tripped.
De La Vega isnt comfortable for now on the nb4.
Im asking knowing that the dev's might find a way to revert knox, but that might take time and theres way im staying unrooted all this time.
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At this time and the forseeable future the answer is you will trip Knox... I believe most devs have given up as some believe it is an e-fuse.... Once tripped the fuse "burns" out so it can't be fixed....
ultramag69 said:
At this time and the forseeable future the answer is you will trip Knox... I believe most devs have given up as some believe it is an e-fuse.... Once tripped the fuse "burns" out so it can't be fixed....
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After coming from the galaxy 2 I can't even think of a possibility that I won't be able to root or switch roms.
Question is if the devs will be able to help with rooting without the knox tripping.
If the answer to that question remains a no I curse samsung and will take the risk of losing the warrenty.
What do you think?
A solution to Knox 0x1 won't be here anytime soon, IMHO, and even if there was a solution/exploit available tomorrow, Samsung would be busier than a one-armed bricklayer in Baghdad trying to patch it out, because a flaw in enterprise-grade security makes enterprises not interested in buying into the ecosystem, funnily enough.
BodenM said:
A solution to Knox 0x1 won't be here anytime soon, IMHO, and even if there was a solution/exploit available tomorrow, Samsung would be busier than a one-armed bricklayer in Baghdad trying to patch it out, because a flaw in enterprise-grade security makes enterprises not interested in buying into the ecosystem, funnily enough.
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thanks for confirmation for my thoughts.
warrenty voided..
time to enjoy my note 3 the way it should be :victory:
I don't know why they cram Knox onto our phone, and charge us for it, if we don't want it... If businesses want it so much, make it an optionable addition....
ultramag69 said:
I don't know why they cram Knox onto our phone, and charge us for it, if we don't want it... If businesses want it so much, make it an optionable addition....
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I would even pay an additional fee to be able to kick out bloatware and only have apps on my device that I want / use. Now you only can turn some bloatware off (having the factory preset version on board. Let's say up to a few tens of bucks. Then there is no reason for me to root anymore. Useless system resource consuming apps are the biggest pain in my ass on such beautiful device.
So im itching to root my phone. Its been a month now and im getting kinda bored.
About the knox
What are the disadvantages when knox is tripped?
xDreDz said:
So im itching to root my phone. Its been a month now and im getting kinda bored.
About the knox
What are the disadvantages when knox is tripped?
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No Samsung Pay/Some other services. No warranty in some areas.
I'm personally holding out for a bit before I root. On S5 ways were discovered to root/flash without tripping Knox. A solution for S7 as far as I know is like what happened on S6 were a dev bootloader was leaked/released.
I've only just got device so going to wait a month or two and if nothing arises and there is something worth rooting for I will root again.
Is someone woking on it tho?
TheATHEiST said:
No Samsung Pay/Some other services. No warranty in some areas.
I'm personally holding out for a bit before I root. On S5 ways were discovered to root/flash without tripping Knox. A solution for S7 as far as I know is like what happened on S6 were a dev bootloader was leaked/released.
I've only just got device so going to wait a month or two and if nothing arises and there is something worth rooting for I will root again.
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Is someone woking on it tho?
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This was because we had a older kernel on the s5 where the actual hacking method without tripping knox worked. So we could flash old kernel, root and than get the new kernel back. This isn't possible here
Tkkg1994 said:
This was because we had a older kernel on the s5 where the actual hacking method without tripping knox worked. So we could flash old kernel, root and than get the new kernel back. This isn't possible here
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Yes, point is that a new kernel exploit may be found at some point so new way on S7.
Too bad iPhone hackers don't work on android would have likely discovered a method by now
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Time will come where someone will discover thag exploit. The question is " when '
oplix said:
Too bad iPhone hackers don't work on android would have likely discovered a method by now
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LOL. The Android developers whose work you see here on XDA are as smart / capable as anyone hacking Apple. If there is is a way to do it, they'll figure it out. But Samsung really locked down the S7, so it's not going to be easy even for "iPhone hackers."
meyerweb said:
LOL. The Android developers whose work you see here on XDA are as smart / capable as anyone hacking Apple. If there is is a way to do it, they'll figure it out. But Samsung really locked down the S7, so it's not going to be easy even for "iPhone hackers."
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exactly. they are developers. they are not a group of hackers dedicated to finding an exploit in a single device. it was merely an observation but it sounds like you took it personally.
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Time will come where someone will discover thag exploit. The question is " when '
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Not even custom kernel work right
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oplix said:
exactly. they are developers. they are not a group of hackers dedicated to finding an exploit in a single device. it was merely an observation but it sounds like you took it personally.
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They are developers who focus on rooting Android devices, not just application developers. Are you new to this forum? Some of the smartest "hackers" (if you prefer that term) are here, and they've found exploits for many, many Android phones that were supposedly locked down by the manufacturers. My last phone was an LG, and one of the incompetent "developers" here developed Stump and Bump, giving us root and recovery.
Jailbreaking an iPhone is no harder than finding root exploits for modern Android phones. You sound like an Apple fanboy.
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No Samsung Pay/Some other services. No warranty in some areas.
I'm personally holding out for a bit before I root. On S5 ways were discovered to root/flash without tripping Knox. A solution for S7 as far as I know is like what happened on S6 were a dev bootloader was leaked/released.
I've only just got device so going to wait a month or two and if nothing arises and there is something worth rooting for I will root again.
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from my understanding you won't get Samsung pay anyway if it's locked for your phone's region
Thread cleaned can we knock off the android vs apple trolling please
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I've heard that previous samsung phones disabled certain features, are there any known drawbacks for rooting the s22 ultra? Will magisk be able to hide the status?
Instantly lose warranty.
Troubleshooting will be harder as you alter the setup and make the device unique from the stock ones.
No going back once you trip the Knox e-fuse.
No secure folder or Knox functionality.
Trade-in option with Samsung or carriers is gone once the e-fuse is tripped.
The only way to revert the e-fuse trip is to replace the mobo as it's a physical eprom like breakable link within a chipset likely a big proprietary BGA.
blackhawk said:
Instantly lose warranty.
Troubleshooting will be harder as you alter the setup and make the device unique from the stock ones.
No going back once you trip the Knox e-fuse.
No secure folder or Knox functionality.
Trade-in option with Samsung or carriers is gone once the e-fuse is tripped.
The only way to revert the e-fuse trip is to replace the mobo as it's a physical eprom like breakable link within a chipset likely a big proprietary BGA.
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so what exactly is the knox functionality?
damaisnland said:
I've heard that previous samsung phones disabled certain features, are there any known drawbacks for rooting the s22 ultra? Will magisk be able to hide the status?
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You also lose Samsung Pay, and some apps actually need Knox on (banking apps mostly).
joancolmenares said:
You also lose Samsung Pay, and some apps actually need Knox on (banking apps mostly).
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How about google pay? Also is there no way around using the banking apps?
damaisnland said:
How about google pay? Also is there no way around using the banking apps?
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I think you have to install some stuff like Safety Net for banking apps to work, no idea if GPAY is affected but I'm assuming it is
joancolmenares said:
I think you have to install some stuff like Safety Net for banking apps to work, no idea if GPAY is affected but I'm assuming it is
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thank you
Correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't magisk hide allow GPay to work?
damaisnland said:
How about google pay? Also is there no way around using the banking apps?
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Banking apps, google pay work with magisk and zygisk just fine.
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Banking apps, google pay work with magisk and zygisk just fine.
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so in terms of software, everything will work but the phone wont be elligible for things like trade ins?
damaisnland said:
so in terms of software, everything will work but the phone wont be elligible for things like trade ins?
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I don't know about the other stuff but banking apps work fine with magisk+zgysik+adaway combination.
Root is now a personal choice. Where I am it does not void the warranty. A hardware failure must still be covered. As far as everything else goes you just need to decide if it's worth it. Last time I rooted the only real benefit I got was AdAway. Sure I could use Titanium Backup, but there was no point in it anymore. Using magisk-hide made G-Pay and everything else work and I could run a custom kernel but it actually wasn't worth the hassle. To me anyway....
If it weren't for the warranty and such, ZERO. I've been on Pixels for years and the first thing I do when I get a phone is unlock the bootloader so I can root when it's available. Viper4Android and DarQ are worth it alone. Not being able to root is going to be a serious adjustment for me.
Let's not forget that a (un)rooted samsung phone will also not be able to :
- run latest samsung health
- correctly pair with galaxy watch
You'll also lose access to all future updates.
DaReDeViL said:
Let's not forget that a (un)rooted samsung phone will also not be able to :
- run latest samsung health
- correctly pair with galaxy watch
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It's been fix with new patch, secure folder too
Only rooted phone now
- can't use SPay (GPAY is alternative) in mobile, still can use watch
- can't use Samsung pass (Google password alternative)
- No OTA (Can flash with odin)
- No warranty
dr.ketan said:
It's been fix with new patch, secure folder too
Only rooted phone now
- can't use SPay (GPAY is alternative) in mobile, still can use watch
- can't use Samsung pass (Google password alternative)
- No OTA (Can flash with odin)
- No warranty
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Sure but if you're UNrooted you're stuck anyway, isn't it?
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Sure but if you're UNrooted you're stuck anyway, isn't it?
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SPay and s pass yes, it will never work
Rest of things works again once we re lock bootloader
dr.ketan said:
SPay and s pass yes, it will never work
Rest of things works again once we re lock bootloader
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Oh! I just exchanged my unrooted relocked s21 with a brand new one just to regain use of samsung health which was refusing to work ...
DaReDeViL said:
Oh! I just exchanged my unrooted relocked s21 with a brand new one just to regain use of samsung health which was refusing to work ...
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This is thief - police game lol.
Dev community fix the issue and Sammy introduce new with new os update
But agree, development is pain on Samsung now a days, though on A12 everything good now except old SPay and s pass issue
Could there be any downside to root my phone now (with Magisk) as if I were doing it later?
Is it possible that future versions of Magisk (or any other rooting method) will retain more original factory features (Google Pay, Samsung Pay, Widevien DRM etc...?
Or is this very unlikely?
At least everything related to Knox (e.g. Samsung Pay, Secure Folder....) will not work any more once unlocked and rooted - even if relocking and going back to full stock.
GPay should work now..... but this is judging from my experience with other current phones, still waiting for Samsung to deliver my S22U
s3axel said:
At least everything related to Knox (e.g. Samsung Pay, Secure Folder....) will not work any more once unlocked and rooted - even if relocking and going back to full stock.
GPay should work now..... but this is judging from my experience with other current phones, still waiting for Samsung to deliver my S22U
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What about warranty ? does unlocking bootloader or rooting or flashing custom rom break he warranty ?
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What about warranty ? does unlocking bootloader or rooting or flashing custom rom break he warranty ?
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Yes
Does relocking your bootloader revert to allowing you to use bank apps once again?
nabil427 said:
What about warranty ? does unlocking bootloader or rooting or flashing custom rom break he warranty ?
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I definitely want to root my phone to gain maximum control over it.
The conrol over my phone is more important to me than the warranty.
As far as I know sadly until now Knox was never bypassed.
s3axel said:
Yes
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I wish someone could find a solution to bypass Knox.
dj24 said:
Does relocking your bootloader revert to allowing you to use bank apps once again?
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I have read that banking apps work on rooted devices. You do not need to relock your bootloader.
Alibab said:
I have read that banking apps work on rooted devices. You do not need to relock your bootloader.
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They do, at least on my recently rooted phones and for the apps I use.... Safetynet passes, Gpay ist working fine....
But this is the usual cat&mouse game , actually for the S22U my intention is to try going unrooted - we'll see how long this holds
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Is it possible that future versions of Magisk ...?
Or is this very unlikely?
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Indeed we have no idea about "future of magisk" so don't rely on future verion of magisk
If you want to root, just look into current scenario and decide you want to root or not. As of now (On OneUI 4.0 on other devices) Samsung Pay & Samung Pass (and Knox thingy) doesn't work. Though it doen't mean everything other works, still you needs to patch multiple things like Samsung Health, Secure folder, Private sharing and may be more. Also many apps may not work but you needs to hide them with magisk (Still no guarantee it will work)
So my pesonal advice is to before jumping to rooting, read as much possible rooting and magisk thread. Rooting is one way, once you trip knox, it's for forever and some stuff never work again even after relocking bootloader.
Alibab said:
I definitely want to root my phone to gain maximum control over it.
The conrol over my phone is more important to me than the warranty.
As far as I know sadly until now Knox was never bypassed.
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There have been ongoing issues and failures with the variable rate displays going back to the N20U, it could to be an expensive gamble.
There's zero track record for this model but expect more of the same...
Relatively little display failures with the N10+ fixed rate display even after over 2 years.
The resale value will be diminished and forget a trade-in. Rooting will destroy some of its core functionality, forever. Too many "I bricked my phone" threads here already... at least take a few months to start to get to know your stock new phone. Better have deep pockets if you decide to root this Samsung...
dr.ketan said:
Indeed we have no idea about "future of magisk" so don't rely on future verion of magisk
If you want to root, just look into current scenario and decide you want to root or not. As of now (On OneUI 4.0 on other devices) Samsung Pay & Samung Pass (and Knox thingy) doesn't work. Though it doen't mean everything other works, still you needs to patch multiple things like Samsung Health, Secure folder, Private sharing and may be more. Also many apps may not work but you needs to hide them with magisk (Still no guarantee it will work)
So my pesonal advice is to before jumping to rooting, read as much possible rooting and magisk thread. Rooting is one way, once you trip knox, it's for forever and some stuff never work again even after relocking bootloader.
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dr.keaton you are my android guru!
Will you get your S22 next week?
What will you do with it? Will you root your device as soon as you have it?
On previous Note devices, I always waited for your first custom rom before I rooted my devices.
blackhawk said:
at least take a few months to start to get to know your stock new phone.
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I just love the sexy hardware of this phone.
I have nausea from the original software-stack of this device.
I would never use it with factory software in everyday life.
If it would be possible I would wipe everything from it and would install some GNU/Linux distro on it.
s3axel said:
They do, at least on my recently rooted phones and for the apps I use.... Safetynet passes, Gpay ist working fine....
But this is the usual cat&mouse game , actually for the S22U my intention is to try going unrooted - we'll see how long this holds
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It’s pretty annoying that you have to play such a cat & mouse game after you paid the hefty price of this device.
It is annoying how much Samsung, Google et al. are trying to restrict users freedom.
The kind of topic that makes me want to leave Android and go iPhone.
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The kind of topic that makes me want to leave Android and go iPhone.
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I can't see any reason why iphone/apple ecosystem would be better than Android.
I wish the Linux phone ecosystem was more mature.
Alibab said:
I just love the sexy hardware of this phone.
I have nausea from the original software-stack of this device.
I would never use it with factory software in everyday life.
If it would be possible I would wipe everything from it and would install some GNU/Linux distro on it.
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Doesn't make much sense to buy this phone than if the native UI pukes you out.
The hardware is lacking; no SD card slot. A poorer form factor/layout than the N10+ as well and 1 mm thicker. No APTX HD and no 3.5 mm jack. Meh.
The most outrageous insult comes from Google Android itself; scoped storage is fully active. Nullifying some of the speed and efficiency; the old Intel/MS paradox reincarnates itself once again. With scoped storage come a slew of 3rd party app issues not create by Samsung at all.
Alibab said:
It’s pretty annoying that you have to play such a cat & mouse game after you paid the hefty price of this device.
It is annoying how much Samsung, Google et al. are trying to restrict users freedom.
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Hmm, honestly speaking nobody is forcing anybody to unlock and root his device
From an IT security standpoint there is a reason for preventing modifications to a phone used by many for things like paying, storing sensitive data, having access to restricted data via specific apps, to corporate email accounts for BYOD etc etc
I am among the first to embrace tweaking options but in the end it all depends on what I use root access for: easy backup/restore of apps including user data, adblocking, UI +system tweaking, limiting of (for me) unnecessary system processes to optimize battery - all of this could easily be integrated by the manufacturers ....
In the end the good thing about Android is that you have a choice and maybe for rooting/tweaking Samsung isn't the best due to Knox and it's irreversibility....
Alibab said:
dr.keaton you are my android guru!
Will you get your S22 next week?
What will you do with it? Will you root your device as soon as you have it?
On previous Note devices, I always waited for your first custom rom before I rooted my devices.
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Hopefully I am getting in couple of days.
First I will setup device and look if any hardware issue. If everything fine, will root same day.
dr.ketan said:
Hopefully I am getting in couple of days.
First I will setup device and look if any hardware issue. If everything fine, will root same day.
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What tests do you use to check hardware issues?
Since it is mostly unrecoverable, something has to physically happen. Any idea what it is?
Nothing changes physically except the values in the flash memory. You completely lose access to the device.
Some devices may use efuses which when blown physically break an electrical pathway permanently. Example Samsung Knox efuse.
blackhawk said:
Nothing changes physically except the values in the flash memory. You completely lose access to the device.
Some devices may use efuses which when blown physically break an electrical pathway permanently. Example Samsung Knox efuse.
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It isn't a Samsung Knox thing(software), it is a Qualcomm(hardware) thing, known as Qfuse. It is put there by Qcom to protect the interests of Samsung and mobile carriers.
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It isn't a Samsung Knox thing(software), it is a Qualcomm(hardware) thing, known as Qfuse. It is put there by Qcom to protect the interests of Samsung and mobile carriers.
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Samsung Knox is also hardware backed, and also has a fuse that is blown upon root, or being otherwise triggered.
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It isn't a Samsung Knox thing(software), it is a Qualcomm(hardware) thing, known as Qfuse. It is put there by Qcom to protect the interests of Samsung and mobile carriers.
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Which brings me to the question does the exynos soc have efuses?
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Which brings me to the question does the exynos soc have efuses?
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Yes, I think they do, the SoC is exynos but I believe they still has Qcom components on the board as well, including Qfuse.
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Samsung Knox is also hardware backed, and also has a fuse that is blown upon root, or being otherwise triggered.
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Yes, it is hardware backed by Qfuse, when Knox is triggered, the Qfuse is blown. That is what I meant by it being a factor of Qcom hardware, they are linked, but the Qcom hardware is where the rubber meets the road, not the Samsung Knox security measures. Pulling the trigger(Samsung knox) fires the missile but the warhead itself(Qfuse) is what does the work of destroying the target.
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Yes, I think they do, the SoC is exynos but I believe they still has Qcom components on the board as well, including Qfuse.
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The efuse is in the soc, I believe. Didn't easy find much on the exynos efuse. Could be firmware only. Since I never had that soc and run stock it's only a curiosity to me at this point.