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Hey,
I just watched the video comparison by pocketnow, and I was stunned how much slower the TP was than the Sony X1!
It's actually kind of worrying. Considering the similarity of the hardware, what could be the cause for this?
Now that TF3D can be ported to the X1, does that make the X1 the preferable device? I was really hoping to be happy with a subsidized FUZE, but I hate rotation speed sluggishness.
Could this be fixed by firmware? Or, more importantly, will it?
I have some questions just like, plus my Touch Pro disapointing me, it's too expensive to have so much bugs, problems, lags, I'm really dissapointed, i wanna get back to my old school SonyEricsson W810i (Sony ...).
I wish they will make a software update (in english and french language), to fix ALL of this!
i've had my TP for 4 days and already I'm praying for a god-damned update.
soft-resets just to keep **** running acceptably is a pain in the wang. (and yes, i do check my task manager to make sure i don't have half a dozen different thing's going)
Um. Flash new rom?
I'm not sure what you mean by slower rotation. If you mean the Gsensor rotating the screen then you can adjust the timeout of the rotation.
I think it is set to 200ms by default. So if you rotate TP there is always the 200ms delay. I've changed it to 40 and the rotation is almost instantenous now.
HTC uses always second class hardwares, but sells its products with first class prices.
where is it possible to adjust the timeout mate? sounds like a plan to me.
enzo_450 said:
where is it possible to adjust the timeout mate? sounds like a plan to me.
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I used the Advanced Configuration Tool for this. Another possibility is to adjust it in Gyrator.
alright, i'll have to have a look into it properly next week after exams, cheers for the tip.
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HTC uses always second class hardwares, but sells its products with first class prices.
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That comment made no sense whatsoever. Are you saying the Touch Pro is slower than the Xperia because it's made by HTC? Why don't you take into consideration that both phones are manufactured by HTC, so your comment is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
but the x1 doesnt have the g sensor or accelerometer. Can someone confirm.
Hemant said:
but the x1 doesnt have the g sensor or accelerometer. Can someone confirm.
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That's the truth, the only way to rotate is by mapping 1 of the buttons to screen rotation or opening the keyboard.
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I'm not sure what you mean by slower rotation. If you mean the Gsensor rotating the screen then you can adjust the timeout of the rotation.
I think it is set to 200ms by default. So if you rotate TP there is always the 200ms delay. I've changed it to 40 and the rotation is almost instantenous now.
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Doesn't that affect battery life by reading the sensor data 5x more often?
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Doesn't that affect battery life by reading the sensor data 5x more often?
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Not really. At least I didn't notice any difference in battery life. I think the power consumption of the Gsensor is not very high in the first place.
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I'm not sure what you mean by slower rotation. If you mean the Gsensor rotating the screen then you can adjust the timeout of the rotation.
I think it is set to 200ms by default. So if you rotate TP there is always the 200ms delay. I've changed it to 40 and the rotation is almost instantenous now.
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To clarify, I think OP was referring to this 1-day old video by pocketnow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfBLsMl-yoI
I think OP also mentioned TouchFLO 3d on the X1, also shown in a fresh video by pocketnow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WA-DdszBo0
No, I meant the time it takes for the screen to rotate when the keyboard is extended. Since the X1 has no Gsensor, it's impossible to compare "auto" rotation speeds.
Check out the video here:
http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=6183
It's pretty bad when it comes to important apps like Opera. And I'm kind of stunned because they share the same hardware... except the video display. And one would think that the larger display would be slower -- not faster -- than the smaller one.
This leaves me back to thinking it's driver-related (i.e., firmware). But I wonder if this is truly software-related that can be fixed, or if there is a hardware accellerator in the X1 that gives it that great switch speed.
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I'm not sure what you mean by slower rotation. If you mean the Gsensor rotating the screen then you can adjust the timeout of the rotation.
I think it is set to 200ms by default. So if you rotate TP there is always the 200ms delay. I've changed it to 40 and the rotation is almost instantenous now.
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Thanks dogyo01. That's exactly right. I've updated my original post with the hyperlinks.
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To clarify, I think OP was referring to this 1-day old video by pocketnow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfBLsMl-yoI
I think OP also mentioned TouchFLO 3d on the X1, also shown in a fresh video by pocketnow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WA-DdszBo0
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LoL! That's funny. There's other things to consider IMO. Like the fact that the Touch Pro does have the g-sensor and it's running in the background. Also manilla and biotouch is running in the background. The person in the video says they both don't have any programs running, but what I'd like to see is how long it takes the X1's screen to rotate on those panels it uses
I just moved from a Nexus One to the G2x, and the biggest thing that is bothering me at the moment is the way kinetic scrolling works. On the Nexus One, it felt very natural, but on the G2x, it feels wrong, sort of like the feeling you get in a revolving door with a speed governor. As an example, on the Nexus One if I gave the list of cities in Groupon a really fast swipe, it would scroll all the way through the list without stopping, just gradually slowing down over a period of a couple of seconds. With the G2x, the same swipe only gets me through a third of the list. I have the same kind of feeling in a long web page in the browser, too, but there's another annoying effect, too: it seems to take ages to finally stop moving -- sort of like the "friction" is too high when the list or web page is moving quickly, but it's too low when the list is moving slowly.
Anybody else feel the same? Is there any setting anywhere to control that?
I feel ya. Like flicking jelly. Only scrolls like a page. No big deal but yea.
Like heavy weight setting.
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i thought it was just me, or the launcher i'm using. hopefully a cooked rom will improve this.
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i thought it was just me, or the launcher i'm using. hopefully a cooked rom will improve this.
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Yeah, that's probably going to be my number 1 motivation for moving to a new ROM when they come out.
I noticed this as well... scrolling quickly is no big deal, I just flick a couple times in a row instead of just once. The coasting slowly to a stop is a little annoying but I'm already used to it.
I don't like it either.
And WTF is up with pinch zooming in the gallery app? That **** is mental.
It definitely takes some getting used to. Can't wait for an update or some Cyanogen goodness.
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There *has* to be a way to control this. Scrolling in some apps (like Firefox) feels completely different.
Ain't that bad. Annoying... but meh. I know custom roms will fix it.
Most of the little quirks are just software bugs that I'm simply overlooking for the time being.
Yeah, definitely annoying. When trying to scroll straight up and down a webpage, it goes diagonally and just feels like the page is "floating". Definitely different than any other phone I've used.
I'm coming from an n1 too. It is definitely different. I am having the added problem of the page shaking if I hold my finger on the screen. Very annoying. Can anyone else report similar behavior?
The scrolling is getting on my damn nerves. I hope it gets fixed soon.
Some phones exhibit choppy scrolling, especially when navigating long web pages when multiple apps are running in the background. Rate this thread to express how you smooth scrolling feels on the OnePlus 5 under such conditions. A higher rating indicates that scrolling is always buttery smooth, even when you're reading a 10,000 word article on "how to kiss a girl".
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I see no 'jelly screen'. Then again, I'm an old guy and I rely pretty firmly upon my progressive lenses.
None of the jelly problems with my OnePlus+ 5 running the latest OS
Scrolling smoothness is really nice on the 5. If you want a really smooth experience, change your CPU governors to OnDemand from interactive. The difference is very noticeable.
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Scrolling smoothness is really nice on the 5. If you want a really smooth experience, change your CPU governors to OnDemand from interactive. The difference is very noticeable.
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can we do that on the stock kernel?
Yep. I use the ex kernel manager and on stock rom with stock kernel. I have like 5 or so options for governor.
One thing I've noticed with these last few builds.. if you have an app in app locker, there's frame drops and stutters if you scroll through in your recents..
I've found same event. Then i chose to adjust animation scale to 0.5 or 0. Which makes it much better.
No changes to animation speed, no changes to kernel or governor and have seen no jelly effect, this only affects a very small number of devices, I've had two Oneplus devices, bought one on launch at midnight then lost it four days later, ordered another and got it three days later, no jelly effect whatsoever.
The speed of this phone is insane.
Apps can lag that correct but only because of the app or the content, so for example a half loaded chrome page can lag, that has nothing to do with the phone at all my PC which is worth over £4000 can lag on webpages if they haven't loaded properly, it's not the hardware.
The jelly effect is there in all phones...just some people dont notice it
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The jelly effect is there in all phones...just some people dont notice it
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Yea its not mate. I'm not blind. I have perfect vision. Its not visible on either of my phones
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Yea its not mate. I'm not blind. I have perfect vision. Its not visible on either of my phones
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Every op5 has the screen panel upside down...
8hodgsonkh said:
Every op5 has the screen panel upside down...
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Makes no difference, the jelly effect is not present on every device, assuming that everyone has a problem seeing it because you can on your device does not mean that they have defective devices!
I've had two 1+5 devices and neither exhibited this issue, I tested it thoroughly, nothing is present, i recorded it and played it back in slow motion, comparable to any previous device i've ever had it's literally the same.
I did a video next to my HTC, there is no jelly.
Period.
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Makes no difference, the jelly effect is not present on every device, assuming that everyone has a problem seeing it because you can on your device does not mean that they have defective devices!
I've had two 1+5 devices and neither exhibited this issue, I tested it thoroughly, nothing is present, i recorded it and played it back in slow motion, comparable to any previous device i've ever had it's literally the same.
I did a video next to my HTC, there is no jelly.
Period.
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If yours is not defected you should try looking for the effect with your phone upside down if you see the jelly effect upside down its not defective but if you don't it is
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If yours is not defected you should try looking for the effect with your phone upside down if you see the jelly effect upside down its not defective but if you don't it is
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hahah mate you're missing the point, why would i hold my phone upside down? I appreciate once you've seen your phone has a defect it's impossible to ignore, i personally would make something up and send the bugger back until i got a phone that i couldn't notice it on, it would drive me mental, i don't care if they don't think it's an issue, it's bad if this many people have seen it.
All i'm saying is, I don't have this issue, check my video if you want or provide me with a fool proof test and i'll do it now, if it's me overlooking it then it's something so insignificant that i dont' actually mind, but maybe i would if i saw it.
Sorry i sound like i'm being a **** i'm not mate, but it's not present on either phone i've had, i'm sorry that yours is, funny thing is too a mate of mine just got one and he can't see it either, he mentioned that he did one time when scrolling on the web, but couldn't replicate it? Not sure if it's lag or something?
I haven't notice any of the "jelly effects" ..ok I havent recorded my screen and play the exported video in -x16 speed to check it either..
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Welp, not exactly.
Why? Because its not a hardware flaw, its a "design choice". The Display (of every current OP5 out there right now) is mounted upside down, meaning the direction the phone refreshes its display is from the bottom towards the top.
While this is not a defect or problem from a technical point of view, it can still be perceived by a lot of people, since our brains are usually expecting the panel to refresh from the top towards the bottom. The Jelly comes due to the panel not updating all pixels at once but by line after line instead.. our brain gets used to the bottom of the screen beeing updated later and simply ignores it (very rough explanation but im missing the needed vocab here).. the screen refreshing towards the top the messes with some peoples perception, therefore they notice the "Jelly" aka the lines refreshing last at the top..
This issue is purely caused by our brain expecting the panel to refresh from a different direction, so its simply a matter of getting used to it. I had headaches when using the phone in the first week or so, now I barely notice the Jelly, if at all.
Some, like me, will notice it instantly at first, others might never (Just like the discussions over frame rates, input lag and so on ). There are several factors to consider, everyone has a different sensitivity towards stuff like this and in the end, remember, its no hardware flaw, its a design choice and technically present on every OP5.
Unless they decide to either change the way the display refreshes within the Driver or Display Controller (well, that would actually be some serious work and would need cooperation with Samsung due to them producing the Displays and the Drivers, if its possible at all - again, several dependencies here) or change the direction of the screen in a later model, the "Jelly - Issue" will consist.
But hey, you are right in your other post, if you dont see it, be glad about it and dont bother to start looking for the Issue, no point to try to search for flaws that you didnt have for now, be happy with your phone
Just trying to clear up some of the confusion
Yet, this shouldnt be the topic of this thread, since this is about Scrolling smoothness, which has nothing to do with the Jelly Effect....
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For me, it hasnt been the smoothest experience to be honest.. while the phone is crazy fast, the overall handling feels very jittery.. Lots of dropped frames, way more than on my Nexus 5 running MIUI.. My N5 and my iPhone 6 feel so much smoother..
Might have to mess with custom kernels and so on a bit more, overall it at least feels smoother than an S8 tho :laugh:
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Welp, not exactly.
Why? Because its not a hardware flaw, its a "design choice". The Display (of every current OP5 out there right now) is mounted upside down, meaning the direction the phone refreshes its display is from the bottom towards the top.
While this is not a defect or problem from a technical point of view, it can still be perceived by a lot of people, since our brains are usually expecting the panel to refresh from the top towards the bottom. The Jelly comes due to the panel not updating all pixels at once but by line after line instead.. our brain gets used to the bottom of the screen beeing updated later and simply ignores it (very rough explanation but im missing the needed vocab here).. the screen refreshing towards the top the messes with some peoples perception, therefore they notice the "Jelly" aka the lines refreshing last at the top..
This issue is purely caused by our brain expecting the panel to refresh from a different direction, so its simply a matter of getting used to it. I had headaches when using the phone in the first week or so, now I barely notice the Jelly, if at all.
Some, like me, will notice it instantly at first, others might never (Just like the discussions over frame rates, input lag and so on ). There are several factors to consider, everyone has a different sensitivity towards stuff like this and in the end, remember, its no hardware flaw, its a design choice and technically present on every OP5.
Unless they decide to either change the way the display refreshes within the Driver or Display Controller (well, that would actually be some serious work and would need cooperation with Samsung due to them producing the Displays and the Drivers, if its possible at all - again, several dependencies here) or change the direction of the screen in a later model, the "Jelly - Issue" will consist.
But hey, you are right in your other post, if you dont see it, be glad about it and dont bother to start looking for the Issue, no point to try to search for flaws that you didnt have for now, be happy with your phone
Just trying to clear up some of the confusion
Yet, this shouldnt be the topic of this thread, since this is about Scrolling smoothness, which has nothing to do with the Jelly Effect....
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For me, it hasnt been the smoothest experience to be honest.. while the phone is crazy fast, the overall handling feels very jittery.. Lots of dropped frames, way more than on my Nexus 5 running MIUI.. My N5 and my iPhone 6 feel so much smoother..
Might have to mess with custom kernels and so on a bit more, overall it at least feels smoother than an S8 tho :laugh:
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Yep I do understand how the jelly effect happens, and I understand that "some people" have this gift of being able to see it whilst everyone else "me" are left thinking the world has gone mad.
I've honestly put my two cents in here so many times and it's fallen on deaf ears by the sounds of things so I'm going to leave it, I don't have this effect on my phone, not did I on my previous oneplus five, I have video recordings of the screen in use and this jelly effect does not present itself, I'm sure that with video slowed down even me with my eyes could see it ?
Even if all that were true, if I have to be watching things in slow Mo to see them then I think it's safe to say that it's something that I don't have to worry about.
I also personally don't have lags and glitches on my device, I've also owned more devices than the average shop so i do have a basis for comparison, not only that but I have an unlimited phone supply partly due to where I work, comparing my phone side by side with any top tier device yields no other reason to believe anything other than what I've just written and that's not just me that's my work colleagues seeing the same.
Appreciate that yourself and others see this issue probably more than I.
If you have a fool proof way of me testing my device then please let me know and I'll check, I'll record it and I'll apologise profusely if its present.
People are way to focused on the jelly here, I really don't mind it.
What is worse for me is the stuttering. But it's hard to know if it's only me or not as nobody is discussing this, just discussing the jelly.
For me I get a weird stutter at the end of a lot of scrolls, happens more on small scrolls or flings, as it's slowing down I get a little stutter, especially noticeable in the likes of Instagram or YouTube or certain chrome pages like this (xda)
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People are way to focused on the jelly here, I really don't mind it.
What is worse for me is the stuttering. But it's hard to know if it's only me or not as nobody is discussing this, just discussing the jelly.
For me I get a weird stutter at the end of a lot of scrolls, happens more on small scrolls or flings, as it's slowing down I get a little stutter, especially noticeable in the likes of Instagram or YouTube or certain chrome pages like this (xda)
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Same here bro, jelly scrolling is ignored by eyes after some time but stuttering is clearly visible, especially scrolling webpages in chrome.
Coming from Samsung phones for the last 5 years or so, the OP6 doesn't seem to have the same momentum of scrolling that I'm used to. One flick delivered fast enough gets to the very bottom of all but the longest web pages or lists on the Samsung. OP6 just seems to need several flicks to do the same. It's not as bad as Iphone's scrolling (which feels more like a page down button to me than scrolling), but not as fluid as Samsung. I just unboxed OP6 tonight, so maybe I'll get used to it. But it conflicts the otherwise very fluid and fast interface.
Looked for a touchscreen sensitivity setting and didn't find one. Maybe this is normal? I feel like my thumb is gonna get a good workout with this device.
Anyone else come from Samsung who knows what I'm talking about?
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Playing with it more. If I use my index finger, and give it a longer swipe, it seems to have much more momentum and scrolls for much longer. But the shorter swipe with my thumb doesn't get me as far, no matter how fast I swipe. I think that is the difference. Samsung responds based more on speed than length of swipe where OP6 doesn't respond the same to a short fast swipe. Normal?
I noticed that too. Maybe is the speed u need !?
avetny said:
I noticed that too. Maybe is the speed u need !?
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This is hilarious!
avetny said:
I noticed that too. Maybe is the speed u need !?
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LMAO
Been noticing that scrolling seems off. When scrolling through home pages, it sometimes takes 2 or 3 swipes to go to the next page. Anyone notice this?
Yes, same with swiping up on apps to close them. Seems you just need to swipe a little more aggressively/quickly though and all is well.
Yeah, I came from a 13 pro max and the scrolling was flawless. I feel like I have to keep my finger on the screen to finish a swipe on the pixel, it's pretty annoying.
Is it as noticable when you turn off Smooth Display?
I just tried it with smooth display off and Ii works perfectly. Wonder if it's a bug
This is what happens.
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I just tried it with smooth display off and Ii works perfectly. Wonder if it's a bug
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It's one of the first things I turn off as I prefer speed over style but you're right in that there needs to be a balance or a fix. With it on, the phone feels slow/laggy especially scrolling down webpages
It's probably enough for me to return the phone. I can't go back to 60hz lol, it hurts my eyes. I wonder if the 6pro has the same issues.
So another bug, wondering if I made the right decision ordering one of these yesterday!
All new handsets have bugs, although this seems to have more than normal. Hopefully this one will quickly be fixed with an update. There is no way I'm spending the best part of £900 on a phone to only have the screen usable on 60hz.
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It's probably enough for me to return the phone. I can't go back to 60hz lol, it hurts my eyes. I wonder if the 6pro has the same issues.
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I'm wondering if the non-pro 7 has the same issues.
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I'm wondering if the non-pro 7 has the same issues.
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As it only has a 90hz screen it could be less prevalent.
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As it only has a 90hz screen it could be less prevalent.
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Yeah. **** I'm really wondering if it was the right decision to get the 7 Pro instead of the non-pro..
Can't say I've noticed an issue. What refresh rate is being displayed when you scroll?
Went to my local Currys and played around on the demo unit there for around 20 minutes. Really like the feel of it, looking forward to getting mine now.
Anyway, for what it's worth I found absolutely no evidence of this issue with smooth display enabled. Everything worked fine on web pages and in the UI (settings menu for example) with the scrolling silky smooth and zero lags, stutters or delays in touch responses.
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Went to my local Currys and played around on the demo unit there for around 20 minutes. Really like the feel of it, looking forward to getting mine now.
Anyway, for what it's worth I found absolutely no evidence of this issue with smooth display enabled. Everything worked fine on web pages and in the UI (settings menu for example) with the scrolling silky smooth and zero lags, stutters or delays in touch responses.
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Definitely some weird scrolling issues. Maybe it's on an old fw or because it's on demo mode and processing etc is bumped up to max. I wonder if they're messing about with the touch boost to try and increase battery life?
Here is what I'm talking about.
Nevermind, it won't let me upload my screen recording
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Here is what I'm talking about.
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I don't know if it's because I'm on a mobile browser, but if you have linked or added something there I don't see it.
Beefheart said:
I don't know if it's because I'm on a mobile browser, but if you have linked or added something there I don't see it.
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I'll try doing it from a PC
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I don't know if it's because I'm on a mobile browser, but if you have linked or added something there I don't see it.
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It won't let me upload a video.
Try this
New video by Paul armendarez
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