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I already posted this in the Nexus dev forum, and I hate to clutter the boards, but I know that there are a bunch of talented devs here that may not see it on those forums. If we can bust the 30fps cap for good, and get the GPU overclocked, then we could see some serious gaming performance out of our Snapdragon devices.
I'm sure we all heard about being able to overclock the GPU on some of the old MSM devices, but the Snapdragon handles the graphics chip in a different way. The goal of this thread is to try and overclock the GPU on Snapdragon devices as well.
There is nothing GPU related in acpuclock-scorpion.c (the Snapdragon cpu clock settings) at least for setting gpu clock speed as far as I can tell.
In board-mahimahi.c (Nexus board file) and board-supersonic.c (Evo board file) there is some kgsl init code, but so far as I can tell it isn't setting the clock there, instead it seems to be pointing to PWR_RAIL_GRP_CLK to set the clock in both devices. It defines the variable in each of those files but I'm not sure where that variable is set, since it doesn't seem to be in any of the other board files as far as I can tell. I could be completely off here too though.
In drivers/video/msm/gpu/kgsl/kgsl.c there is a method called kgsl_clk_enable that seems to be called whenever the GPU is enabled. It looks like this:
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/* the hw and clk enable/disable funcs must be either called from softirq or
* with mutex held */
static void kgsl_clk_enable(void)
{
//clk_set_rate(kgsl_driver.ebi1_clk, 128000000);
clk_set_rate(kgsl_driver.ebi1_clk, 245000000); // Looks like it sets the GPU clock, right? Wrong.
clk_enable(kgsl_driver.imem_clk); // Enable the clock
clk_enable(kgsl_driver.grp_clk); // Enable another clock, but why?
}
The line that's been commented out is the original value, I replaced it with my value on the line below it in a failed attempt to overclock it. Probably a stupid effort on my part, I doubt it's that simple, but it was worth a shot. The comments at the end of the line are also my additions.
According to the clk.h files in the standard linux kernel, clk_set_rate is obviously a method to set the clock rate. The first variable is a struct that tells it which clock to set, and the second variable is a long value that is the rate you want it set at. Is it setting the right clock there for Snapdragon chips? Or is it only the clock for older chips?
I'm in way over my head with this source, I'm but a lowly Java dev, but I really wanna solve this. Can anyone with a little more experience than me throw in a little more info? Sorry if it doesn't make much sense, if it isn't clear just ask me & I'll try to explain a little more.
Regards,
Jesse C.
EDIT: Okay I did a little more digging and those kgsl settings should work for QSD8x50 chips. In the config file, under Drivers, Graphics Support, it allows you to enable 3D accelleration for QSD8x50 & MSM7x27 chips. The tag for that is CONFIG_MSM_KGSL_MMU. If you check in kgsl.c it checks to see if that is enabled in the config, and if it is then it compiles and uses kgsl.c & all of the kgsl code. That tells me that the clock is either not being set, or the wrong clock is being set. I'm adding some debug code right now so I can see in dmesg what code is actually being run.
Dude I have no idea how to do this but bump and best of luck
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Isn't this Helping ? http://androidhtc.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=androidhtc/kernel.git;a=blobdiff;f=arch/arm/mach-msm/clock-7x00.c;h=ef178abfcd46cf78dd47962d75298691f887ebf2;hp=d68fea09d1996daeff99365ced9785d65b1cb001;hb=23ff83048726252bc785699fc749a3e364a3bdb0;hpb=110e73c591db3fd23d8558659f8a6a0dfe5ba912
It looks like here he sets the clock writel(grp,MSM_CLK_CTL_BASE+0x84); 0x84
And here is the Orginal topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=697673..
fstluxe said:
Isn't this Helping ? http://androidhtc.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=androidhtc/kernel.git;a=blobdiff;f=arch/arm/mach-msm/clock-7x00.c;h=ef178abfcd46cf78dd47962d75298691f887ebf2;hp=d68fea09d1996daeff99365ced9785d65b1cb001;hb=23ff83048726252bc785699fc749a3e364a3bdb0;hpb=110e73c591db3fd23d8558659f8a6a0dfe5ba912
It looks like here he sets the clock writel(grp,MSM_CLK_CTL_BASE+0x84); 0x84
And here is the Orginal topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=697673..
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Yeah I saw that, but that won't work for us, because it is for one of the old MSM7500 chips instead of the new QSD chips we have in Snapdragon devices.
I am working on a few things now and I recommend you check the Nexus forum since that thread is a lot more active.
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Yeah I saw that, but that won't work for us, because it is for one of the old MSM7500 chips instead of the new QSD chips we have in Snapdragon devices.
I am working on a few things now and I recommend you check the Nexus forum since that thread is a lot more active.
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okey, But as far as I know that code is not standard... Becouse the Vugue msm7500 device is originally WM device.. so the Smart dzo managed this custom code.
I wil follow the nexus form .. This is Damn interesting !
i wish you guys the best of luck..wish i could help..i love xda..lol
I'm going to bump this, would be nice if more people were working on this.
Man... I absolutely love my phone. It really sux that this even needs to be asked. This device is so much more capable and I cannot understand why HTC would cripple it so badly. Look at the Samsung galaxy s or the Droid x. Or even a more similar phone like the nexus or incredible. They all stomp this phone when it comes to anything graphics wise even if it is just swiping home screens. It makes me sad. Lol
I love how it makes you sad, but you still lol. Lol (correctly placed)
This is big but first let's get a true cap fix!
Sent from my Evo 4G
How is there such little interest in this subject? This intergrated gpu will probably overclock like a beast... and maybe we can get actual fps.
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How is there such little interest in this subject? This intergrated gpu will probably overclock like a beast... and maybe we can get actual fps.
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I'm thinking this is also one of those things awaiting source. Even the overclocked kernals make my phone reset so I'm waiting for a more stable release myself. Since you're still posting here does that mean you decided to keep your evo?
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I'm thinking this is also one of those things awaiting source. Even the overclocked kernals make my phone reset so I'm waiting for a more stable release myself. Since you're still posting here does that mean you decided to keep your evo?
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I don't know, yet I am in deep havoc lol. I activated my phone on the 20th. I have till 13th of July to pay my bill, so don't know.
I mean the locked bootloader of the Droid X is kind of lame. Also on the Evo, I have a 10$ discount because of the IO conference... unlimited texts too, and I bought two batteries for it with a charger(for 10$ lol, and they actually last a long time 1500ma, I put the 2 extras in my wallet)
Also I think I can upgrade my phone right away already if I read things right, so if Sprint gets an awesome phone I can upgrade to that whenever.
Verizon is more expensive, but I like how they let me do a 1 year contract. The Droid X is also nicer, I mean it has a better camera, and the mic quality when taking videos isn't piss, hopefully someone fixes that. It also has a real graphics card.
So yeah, it's hard to decide. A better phone, vs saving me some money. Though I plan to attend the IO conference once again. I'm still porting my distrubuted prime client onto Android, hopefully it will be high performance. So it's not like I just go there for a phone ^^. Hell I didn't even know about the phones till they said "Where do you want the Droid delivered" I lol'd. Though my time is limited, summer classes at UC Berkeley are tough : /
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How is there such little interest in this subject? This intergrated gpu will probably overclock like a beast... and maybe we can get actual fps.
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Yep, looks like til we get the kernel in our hands they're tied.
Also what's the point of overclocking if their is still a limit on FPS..
Eventually this will be the next thing on our todo list
some of the source for the OpenGL ES GPU core was announced as being released today
Qualcomm releases open-source 3D Snapdragon driver
http://www.androidcentral.com/qualcomm-releases-open-source-3d-snapdragon-driver
havent looked at it yet, but im sure in the very least this should at least help shed some more light on overclocking the GPU and add another piece to the puzzle!
git location -
https://www.codeaurora.org/gitweb/q...b819424af4be;hb=refs/heads/android-msm-2.6.32
topdnbass said:
Yep, looks like til we get the kernel in our hands they're tied.
Also what's the point of overclocking if their is still a limit on FPS..
Eventually this will be the next thing on our todo list
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There isn't really a fps cap with the novatek kernel hack. It made the display much smoother for me and I am using it on EvolutionX. So beast.
Good news about the drivers, maybe we can actually see some overclocking now.
I want this to happen!
Nova runs pretty well on the Evo. Gameloft updated it recently.
I would just like for iphone ports to run well.
I hear the Palm Pixi has the same GPU. It is clocked at 190mhz. What about the Evo?
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I hear the Palm Pixi has the same GPU. It is clocked at 190mhz. What about the Evo?
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The Pixi doesn't have the same GPU, it has one of the low/mid-range MSM7227 (I think thats the model?) chips. It's similar as it's one of Qualcomms latest gen chips, but it is NOT a Snapdragon so it's different.
Also, the Snapdragon GPU's on HTC devices are clocked as follows:
GRP_CLK: The actual graphics clock, 256mhz
IMEM_CLK: The gpu memory clock, 256mhz
EBI1_CLK: As best I can tell, the bus that the GPU is on is EBI1, this is the clock for it, 128mhz
If you want more info, look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710850 since that thread is a lot more active, but please don't clutter it, there's actual devving going on there
Thanks for the info. I just wonder how they're going to get 3d games to work on the Pixi then... weird.
It was announced that the Pixi would get 3d gaming with the 1.4.5 update.
Much better (Y)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/and...ck-overclocking-tuning-snapdragon-s1-t2883708
I am posting here as I am not allowed to do so in development subforum.
Anyway, I am the developer of the OpenFIMG project (formerly GLES6410), which is aiming to provide proper OpenGL support on devices with FIMG 3DSE 3D engine, found in S3C6410, S5PC100 and probably also in S5P6442. The project is in a pretty advanced state as it is already capable of running Android 2.3 with hardware acceleration. Still many OpenGL extensions and some core features (like lighting) are still missing. More info can be found here: https://github.com/tom3q/openfimg/wiki.
It is very likely (and almost confirmed) that the SoC used in Galaxy 3 (S5P6442) contains the same GPU as the one in S3C6410, which is the chip inside Galaxy Spica and similar phones, at least basing on what Quadrant and GLbenchmark show and on GL libraries supposed to be dumped from Galaxy 3.
What I am trying to say is that my project may also be useful on Galaxy 3, but I am the only developer working on it and I am doing it in my free time, so it does not progress as fast as one may expect. In other words, I am looking for some other developers interested in this project.
If you are interested, then do not hesitate to drop me a PM.
Mod EDIT : moving this to development
EDIT: Attached some documents about FIMG 3DSE (based on S3C6410 documentation and my reverse engineering)
EDIT: The project has been successfully used on G3. Builds of ICS for G3 use OpenFIMG as primary graphics driver currently and there are update packages for CM7.
Very interesting .. I send you PM.
Galaxy 3 has no GPU.
mpbm23 said:
Galaxy 3 has no GPU.
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Based on what?
All my sources state that it has exactly the same FIMG 3DSE rev. 1.5 as in S3C6410.
Based on the fact that no site says that the I5800 has a GPU and that graphics on games are really laggy.
Unless you are not talking about a discrete GPU.
No mobile phone contains a discrete GPU. All of them are embedded inside some SoC chip, some are better (SGX, Adreno), some are worse (FIMG 3DSE).
It is exactly the same as with Spica and similar phones. Games are laggy because the hardware is not a speed daemon and the performance is even more impacted by really _broken_ drivers.
Then why nobody write that it has GPU like all the other phones like Galaxy S ,Nexus S etc?
mpbm23 said:
Then why nobody write that it has GPU like all the other phones like Galaxy S ,Nexus S etc?
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Because it is a low end phone, software support for this GPU is very bad and the GPU itself is not a speed daemon.
tom3q said:
Because it is a low end phone, software support for this GPU is very bad and the GPU itself is not a speed daemon.
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Okay..so your project involves developing real good drivers so that even the g3 low end gpu can perform better, right?
Sent from the 3rd Galaxy !
Yes. Of course, it will not work on par with Adreno 200 or similar GPUs, but should at least work a bit better. The main target is to run Android 2.3 (and future versions, which will not work will original drivers, because of missing extensions) with full hardware acceleration and without bugs found in Samsung drivers.
Hmmm.. Nice .. Good luck with your project.. One of our devs marcellusbe is working on porting CM7 to G3.. This would surely help him ..
Sent from the 3rd Galaxy !
cool... if so this is gonna make new benchmark .. pun intended ... best of luck man.... I had thought of throwing this phone a long time back but you guys always give hopes... and ofcourse result..
Wow interesting!
This should be moved to dev section I have sent a PM to haree
Cool. So what can others help with?
Too interesting
I'ld like to help with whatever i can
I'll back you up in spirit, sorry,i know nothing about programming
VERY intresting!
and yes the galaxy 3 does have a gpu and yes it has been confirmed (or atleast i heard) that it has this gpu..cant wait to see the outcome!
Actually, I will need some people who would compile, test and eventually fix the code for Galaxy 3, because the only phone with this GPU I have is a Galaxy Spica (i5700) and there may be some subtle differences between them. (Especially in the kernel part, where kernel modules may require changing of some addresses or some other fragments of code.)
Preferably, I would like someone to help me with the project, but I understand this is not an easy task, so not everyone can apply.
I don't mind being a tester
Edit: also will we be able to play gameloft games and nfs shift?
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dilzo said:
I don't mind being a tester
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Nice, thanks.
However, you have to understand that it is not a simple drop-in replacement of standard GL libs. This project replaces the whole graphics subsystem of the phone, including some kernel modules and this makes testing a bit more complicated as it needs pretty big modification of the phone software.
If it is not a problem for you then ok.
dilzo said:
Edit: also will we be able to play gameloft games and nfs shift?
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It all depends if all the extensions required by these games will get implemented. Also, there may be some problems with screen resolution of Galaxy 3, which is a not standard one. I cannot give any claims regarding the performance as the real performance of this hardware is unknown.
Hi guys.
First if this isnt the best section for this please move it to where it needs to go.
I was looking around Aliexpress and saw an octo core phone with mtk 6595 cpu, 4gb ram, 13mp camera etc and for the equivalent of £54 cost it seemed too good to be true. unfortunately that now seems the case. i noticed it was quite laggy which you wouldnt think an octo core phone would be and the photos were poor which a 13mp camera shouldnt produce.
so i downloaded some hardware identifying apps. some state the same details that the seller did. some state however - dual core 6572 cpu, 6mp camera. it also shows only 2 point multitouch where as more modern phones would allow more point multitouch. also when i downloaded google camera and went into the resolution settings, 6.2mp is the max allowed.
so i'm having a battle back and forth that either he refunds most of what i paid and lets me keep this poor phone as a spare for my son at a much lower price or pays the return postage costs and shows me some sort of guarantee i'll get my money back when he receives.
So....the question is, how has he or someone else set it so that it can fool some apps into reading incorrect data? and, even if i turn off data all together it still shows 4g for both sims even though 1 isnt even a 4g sim/data plan?
cheers guys.
marc.knuckle said:
Hi guys.
First if this isnt the best section for this please move it to where it needs to go.
I was looking around Aliexpress and saw an octo core phone with mtk 6595 cpu, 4gb ram, 13mp camera etc and for the equivalent of £54 cost it seemed too good to be true. unfortunately that now seems the case. i noticed it was quite laggy which you wouldnt think an octo core phone would be and the photos were poor which a 13mp camera shouldnt produce.
so i downloaded some hardware identifying apps. some state the same details that the seller did. some state however - dual core 6572 cpu, 6mp camera. it also shows only 2 point multitouch where as more modern phones would allow more point multitouch. also when i downloaded google camera and went into the resolution settings, 6.2mp is the max allowed.
so i'm having a battle back and forth that either he refunds most of what i paid and lets me keep this poor phone as a spare for my son at a much lower price or pays the return postage costs and shows me some sort of guarantee i'll get my money back when he receives.
So....the question is, how has he or someone else set it so that it can fool some apps into reading incorrect data? and, even if i turn off data all together it still shows 4g for both sims even though 1 isnt even a 4g sim/data plan?
cheers guys.
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He probably just changed the specs in the build.prop files so it shows that the phone is more powerful than it actually is and changed some images for the sim 4G.
janekmuric said:
He probably just changed the specs in the build.prop files so it shows that the phone is more powerful than it actually is and changed some images for the sim 4G.
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Is there any way to prove this or revert it back to stock without the false info?
If your phone has the mtk 6595 CPU your antutu benchmark must be 40000 or more if not then its probably a scam phone download and run the latest antutu benchmark 35000 is fine too but not 25000
Bigbossyousef said:
If your phone has the mtk 6595 CPU your antutu benchmark must be 40000 or more if not then its probably a scam phone download and run the latest antutu benchmark 35000 is fine too but not 25000
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it fails to finish the test saying something about failed network something or other yet still shows 48695 score. it actually doesnt mean much whatever the score is as it runs sluggishly, wont run any games like dead trigger 2 or similar and stutters playing youtube vids. also google camera shows max camera resolution allowed is 6.2mp rather than the 13mp claimed.
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Is there any way to prove this or revert it back to stock without the false info?
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It's possible but there is no point in that since it won't do anything to the speed of the device. You would just be wasting time.
janekmuric said:
It's possible but there is no point in that since it won't do anything to the speed of the device. You would just be wasting time.
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Part of the reason is for proof to get a refund and the other reason is if i keep it and eventually sell it, I'd want to have the correct details on it
marc.knuckle said:
Part of the reason is for proof to get a refund and the other reason is if i keep it and eventually sell it, I'd want to have the correct details on it
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Just download CPU-Z it shows all the correct specs. Then edit the build.prop file so the specs are matching. Make sure to do some research before you cahange anything in the build.prop and always remember to make a backup.
janekmuric said:
Just download CPU-Z it shows all the correct specs. Then edit the build.prop file so the specs are matching. Make sure to do some research before you cahange anything in the build.prop and always remember to make a backup.
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cpuz shows it as octa core but specifically that only 2 cores are working and only at 1.2ghz which is further confirming that it is actually a mt6572.
also, any ideas if there are custom roms that i could install and would this then wipe the fake build.prop details?
thanks again
marc.knuckle said:
cpuz shows it as octa core but specifically that only 2 cores are working and only at 1.2ghz which is further confirming that it is actually a mt6572.
also, any ideas if there are custom roms that i could install and would this then wipe the fake build.prop details?
thanks again
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I didn't find any roms for your phone, but you don't need to install a rom to change build.prop details. Also build.prop does not contain most of the specs. A lot of them are in the hardware and in the kernel.
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I didn't find any roms for your phone, but you don't need to install a rom to change build.prop details. Also build.prop does not contain most of the specs. A lot of them are in the hardware and in the kernel.
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I couldn't find a rom either. I didn't know if there was such a thing as a generic lollipop rom that could be flashed to any mediatek phone.
I didn't want to just edit the build.prop myself to the specs that i think it should have, i wanted to do some sort of wipe that would then correct it automatically.
Thanks again.
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I couldn't find a rom either. I didn't know if there was such a thing as a generic lollipop rom that could be flashed to any mediatek phone.
I didn't want to just edit the build.prop myself to the specs that i think it should have, i wanted to do some sort of wipe that would then correct it automatically.
Thanks again.
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Well, there isn't such a thing as a generic rom, but you still can make a recovery with MTKDroidTools or Easy Magic TWRP Installer (Recommended)
Try an app called hardware info also try asphalt 8 and beach buggy racing and gt racing too you can't judge a device playing one game if all games lag even on low graphics then its a scam and about ( CPU z) showing only two cores working might be due to the fact that most phones disable most of the cpu cores in idle mode but all core do work while gaming I have a lenovo a3500 with four cores( set CPU) shows only two cores working in idle but it reads 4 cores total so it doesn't mean that the cpu is fake if all cores are not active in idle in fact if all cores work in idle it would be a huge waste of battery and no mobile os wants to do that my last advice is to try several games and see
And remember gaming performance depends heavily on the GPU ( the graphics card ) and your phone might have the Mali mp you and its not good enough for most games nowadays
A quick list for you explaning performance rating asphalt 8 1280 x 800 high
Mali mp ( 4 fps )
Mali mp2 ( 7 fps )
Adreno 305 (17 fps )
Power vr 6430 ( 24 fps )
So run hardware info app and see if you have Mali or power vr 6430 if you have Mali then it explanes the bad performance due to what I said earlier
Hello comunity!
First: Sorry for my bad english.
2nd: I've had found the sources from the mt6797 which is build in the redmi note 4 MTK. Is this enought for building a AOSP rom ?
There's the link: https://github.com/MT6797?tab=repositories
venor sources: https://gitlab.com/mt6797/vendor
diedmaster said:
Hello comunity!
First: Sorry for my bad english.
2nd: I've had found the sources from the mt6797 which is build in the redmi note 4 MTK. Is this enought for building a AOSP rom ?
There's the link: https://github.com/MT6797?tab=repositories
venor sources: https://gitlab.com/mt6797/vendor
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No.
Mediatek + Xiaomi = No support, no kernel, nothing. Just deal with it. Trust me, I've been there. I had RN2. Ditched it after year.
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No.
Mediatek + Xiaomi = No support, no kernel, nothing. Just deal with it. Trust me, I've been there. I had RN2. Ditched it after year.
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mhm thats a REAL shame :/ but thanks for answer
Don't you think the developers who know how to develop AOSP already know? They are WAY ahead of you. If you checked the dev forum instead of being lazy you would see that there is already an alpha of CyanogenMod 14.1 which is built from sourcecode.
The problem is not MTK sources, it's Redmi Note 4 sources. Drivers for the camera and the fingerprint reader and stuff like that.
Sorry if you think I'm being rude, but this is borderline a troll/spam thread. You get people half excited from the title then share a repo link that any child could find in Google.
Please leave the development to the developers.
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No.
Mediatek + Xiaomi = No support, no kernel, nothing. Just deal with it. Trust me, I've been there. I had RN2. Ditched it after year.
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And yet you decided to try your luck and get another MTK device?
Most of us are aware that getting an MTK device means no AOSP. We get them because they have a high price-to-performance ratio.
Personally I am glad to move away from the Xperia series; it had every AOSP fork under the sun being made for it but they were ALL buggy. It's just torture. If you really want that kind of developer stuff, you should get a Google device.
CosmicDan said:
Don't you think the developers who know how to develop AOSP already know? They are WAY ahead of you. If you checked the dev forum instead of being lazy you would see that there is already an alpha of CyanogenMod 14.1 which is built from sourcecode.
The problem is not MTK sources, it's Redmi Note 4 sources. Drivers for the camera and the fingerprint reader and stuff like that.
Sorry if you think I'm being rude, but this is borderline a troll/spam thread. You get people half excited from the title then share a repo link that any child could find in Google.
Please leave the development to the developers.
And yet you decided to try your luck and get another MTK device?
Most of us are aware that getting an MTK device means no AOSP. We get them because they have a high price-to-performance ratio.
Personally I am glad to move away from the Xperia series; it had every AOSP fork under the sun being made for it but they were ALL buggy. It's just torture. If you really want that kind of developer stuff, you should get a Google device.
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thanks for you answer,
I really didnt know that .. I thought with the SoC sources the drivers are allready included .. but okey, thanks anyway
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And yet you decided to try your luck and get another MTK device?
Most of us are aware that getting an MTK device means no AOSP. We get them because they have a high price-to-performance ratio.
Personally I am glad to move away from the Xperia series; it had every AOSP fork under the sun being made for it but they were ALL buggy. It's just torture. If you really want that kind of developer stuff, you should get a Google device.
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Who said I did? I have Global version of RN4 (mido). I just replied to him, cause I know that feeling to be disappointed by MTK device. I had one and that is definitely gonna be my last.
gr4nis said:
Who said I did? I have Global version of RN4 (mido). I just replied to him, cause I know that feeling to be disappointed by MTK device. I had one and that is definitely gonna be my last.
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Actually you said "We"
1. nominative plural of*I.
2. (used to denote oneself and another or others):
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/we
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gr4nis said:
Who said I did? I have Global version of RN4 (mido). I just replied to him, cause I know that feeling to be disappointed by MTK device. I had one and that is definitely gonna be my last.
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I mean if anything the Qualcomm variant is the dissapointing one, why would you buy it over the Redmi note 3 with a much faster processor and more rom support is beyond me.
Wilderone said:
Actually you said "We"
1. nominative plural of*I.
2. (used to denote oneself and another or others):
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/we
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What?
I didn't use word "We" in any of my posts. Is this reply for @CosmicDan?
Nintonito said:
I mean if anything the Qualcomm variant is the dissapointing one, why would you buy it over the Redmi note 3 with a much faster processor and more rom support is beyond me.
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It may be faster, but it's not better overall. SD 625 is based on newer architecture (14nm) which makes it cooler in load and offer your phone much better battery life. If you don't do serious gaming, the difference in speed is not even noticable (Also SD 650 is gonna throttling much sooner because of higher temperatures, which is point where SD 625 can match it's performance). And about ROMs... You can't be serious! RN3 Pro is year older than RN4X, which is still new device. Of course more people have it therefore more people develop for it. Give it some time, and RN4X gonna excede RN3Pro (even now there is developement for all ROM's I'm interested in and a lot more). Also 625 is newer than 650 so it's gonna be supported longer.
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Who said I did? I have Global version of RN4 (mido). I just replied to him, cause I know that feeling to be disappointed by MTK device. I had one and that is definitely gonna be my last.
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Oh sorry, I just assumed you had the MTK version because... well.. THIS IS THE MTK SUBFORUM.
You come in here and trash-talk a device/chipset you don't even have, and expect us to value your opinion? Please.
gr4nis said:
What?
I didn't use word "We" in any of my posts. Is this reply for @CosmicDan?
It may be faster, but it's not better overall. SD 625 is based on newer architecture (14nm) which makes it cooler in load and offer your phone much better battery life. If you don't do serious gaming, the difference in speed is not even noticable (Also SD 650 is gonna throttling much sooner because of higher temperatures, which is point where SD 625 can match it's performance). And about ROMs... You can't be serious! RN3 Pro is year older than RN4X, which is still new device. Of course more people have it therefore more people develop for it. Give it some time, and RN4X gonna excede RN3Pro (even now there is developement for all ROM's I'm interested in and a lot more). Also 625 is newer than 650 so it's gonna be supported longer.
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"Better" is subjective. For starters, my X20 Note 4 does not overheat (in fact this is the first I've ever heard about thermal issues on this thing). Secondly, battery life is a non-issue for me - I get ~5 hours SoT which is more than enough to last me a whole day, even two or three if I don't get to charge one night for whatever reason.
The SD is actually probably the same in gaming sine the MTK GPU is underpowered, but in the CPU department the Helio X20 beats the pants off of the SD. You say the speed is not noticeable yet you just admitted you don't even have a Note 4 MTK variant so how do you know? The numbers speak for themselves - the Geekbench score is just too big for it to not be noticeable when under load.
ROM's are a moot point, they don't interest me - only an idiot (or, I suppose, a former fan who regrets their purchase) buys a Xiaomi device and gets rid of MIUI. You can get a Nexus or last-gen Xperia device or whatever for cheaper if you want that crap.
Anyway, you said you don't even have an MTK device, yet you're in here criticizing it, that's like a perfect example of trolling. I'm unsubbing, not gonna waste my time on this anymore.
Personally, I got the Note 4 at the time (right near launch) because I needed a new phone RIGHT NOW, I wasn't going to wait ~6 months for a device that's the same price and only a little bit better - if I waited six months I could of saved more and gotten a high end device. But the SD variant only has two things going for it - better battery life, and support for non-MIUI ROM's - two things that I and many others don't need.
You Said it all Dan..but many users think they know better...
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CosmicDan said:
Oh sorry, I just assumed you had the MTK version because... well.. THIS IS THE MTK SUBFORUM.
You come in here and trash-talk a device/chipset you don't even have, and expect us to value your opinion? Please.
"Better" is subjective. For starters, my X20 Note 4 does not overheat (in fact this is the first I've ever heard about thermal issues on this thing). Secondly, battery life is a non-issue for me - I get ~5 hours SoT which is more than enough to last me a whole day, even two or three if I don't get to charge one night for whatever reason.
The SD is actually probably the same in gaming sine the MTK GPU is underpowered, but in the CPU department the Helio X20 beats the pants off of the SD. You say the speed is not noticeable yet you just admitted you don't even have a Note 4 MTK variant so how do you know? The numbers speak for themselves - the Geekbench score is just too big for it to not be noticeable when under load.
ROM's are a moot point, they don't interest me - only an idiot (or, I suppose, a former fan who regrets their purchase) buys a Xiaomi device and gets rid of MIUI. You can get a Nexus or last-gen Xperia device or whatever for cheaper if you want that crap.
Anyway, you said you don't even have an MTK device, yet you're in here criticizing it, that's like a perfect example of trolling. I'm unsubbing, not gonna waste my time on this anymore.
Personally, I got the Note 4 at the time (right near launch) because I needed a new phone RIGHT NOW, I wasn't going to wait ~6 months for a device that's the same price and only a little bit better - if I waited six months I could of saved more and gotten a high end device. But the SD variant only has two things going for it - better battery life, and support for non-MIUI ROM's - two things that I and many others don't need.
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You should read more and write less. I was comparing SD 650 and SD 625. Didn't even mention MTK or RN4 (nikel). So your whole post is actually pointless.
gr4nis said:
You should read more and write less. I was comparing SD 650 and SD 625. Didn't even mention MTK or RN4 (nikel). So your whole post is actually pointless.
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You were comparing SD chipset in the wrong thread. This is a Mediatek subforum. So actually, his post is not pointless.
ekin_strops said:
You were comparing SD chipset in the wrong thread. This is a Mediatek subforum. So actually, his post is not pointless.
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True. It was OT, but I just responded to someone else's comment. Didn't come with it on my own.
CosmicDan said:
Don't you think the developers who know how to develop AOSP already know? They are WAY ahead of you. If you checked the dev forum instead of being lazy you would see that there is already an alpha of CyanogenMod 14.1 which is built from sourcecode.
The problem is not MTK sources, it's Redmi Note 4 sources. Drivers for the camera and the fingerprint reader and stuff like that.
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OK let me get this straight. The culprit here is xiaomi and not mediatek for not releasing sources? Is there any chance xiaomi will release sources? How come snapdragon note 4 has so many roms? Does that mean xiaomi has released sources for it? Has mediatek released sources for this device? Sorry for asking
adrxano said:
OK let me get this straight. The culprit here is xiaomi and not mediatek for not releasing sources? Is there any chance xiaomi will release sources? How come snapdragon note 4 has so many roms? Does that mean xiaomi has released sources for it? Has mediatek released sources for this device? Sorry for asking
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Neither note 4 has official source from Xiaomi. Difference is that Snapdragon devices can be made to boot from CAF source from Qualcomm due to sheer experience, and the same has not been accomplished with Mediatek's Helio X20 source. That and xda has a massssssssuve preference towards Qualcomm anyways due to repeat positive experiences, so most developers spend the time on Qualcomm devices.
CosmicDan said:
Oh sorry, I just assumed you had the MTK version because... well.. THIS IS THE MTK SUBFORUM.
You come in here and trash-talk a device/chipset you don't even have, and expect us to value your opinion? Please.
"Better" is subjective. For starters, my X20 Note 4 does not overheat (in fact this is the first I've ever heard about thermal issues on this thing). Secondly, battery life is a non-issue for me - I get ~5 hours SoT which is more than enough to last me a whole day, even two or three if I don't get to charge one night for whatever reason.
The SD is actually probably the same in gaming sine the MTK GPU is underpowered, but in the CPU department the Helio X20 beats the pants off of the SD. You say the speed is not noticeable yet you just admitted you don't even have a Note 4 MTK variant so how do you know? The numbers speak for themselves - the Geekbench score is just too big for it to not be noticeable when under load.
ROM's are a moot point, they don't interest me - only an idiot (or, I suppose, a former fan who regrets their purchase) buys a Xiaomi device and gets rid of MIUI. You can get a Nexus or last-gen Xperia device or whatever for cheaper if you want that crap.
Anyway, you said you don't even have an MTK device, yet you're in here criticizing it, that's like a perfect example of trolling. I'm unsubbing, not gonna waste my time on this anymore.
Personally, I got the Note 4 at the time (right near launch) because I needed a new phone RIGHT NOW, I wasn't going to wait ~6 months for a device that's the same price and only a little bit better - if I waited six months I could of saved more and gotten a high end device. But the SD variant only has two things going for it - better battery life, and support for non-MIUI ROM's - two things that I and many others don't need.
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I Agree 100%, i have MTK and my girl SD, MTK RULES!!!
adrxano said:
OK let me get this straight. The culprit here is xiaomi and not mediatek for not releasing sources? Is there any chance xiaomi will release sources? How come snapdragon note 4 has so many roms? Does that mean xiaomi has released sources for it? Has mediatek released sources for this device? Sorry for asking
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Do you not know that the combo of cpu, camera, soc, on the redmi note 4 is simillar to a lot of other androids lol. And those other androids have their sources released. You know where jm going with this. Redmi note 4 snapdragon having a lot of custom roms is in no way a big thanks to the redmi note ⁴ community itself. Get real.
personally I dislike miui as it has no support for advanced USB OTG features such as gamepad compatibility or being used as a usb keyboard/touchpad mouse for your pc . though at least the MTK chipset on this phone supports 10bit h265 and vp9 which makes it good for long trips. provided most of your trip isn't in direct sunlight.
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personally I dislike miui as it has no support for advanced USB OTG features such as gamepad compatibility or being used as a usb keyboard/touchpad mouse for your pc . though at least the MTK chipset on this phone supports 10bit h265 and vp9 which makes it good for long trips. provided most of your trip isn't in direct sunlight.
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hmm MTK Note4 Support advanced OTG, eyboard, mouse and my soudcard (Soundbalster USB XiFi works fine)
Looks like Lenovo released MM and Nougat open source code for our phone: http://lenovomobilesupport.lenovo.c...NES/P-SERIES/P2-SMARTPHONE/downloads/DS122001
I hope that developers can use it for making great roms for our phone.
ionutz1122 said:
Looks like Lenovo released MM and Nougat open source code for our phone: http://lenovomobilesupport.lenovo.c...NES/P-SERIES/P2-SMARTPHONE/downloads/DS122001
I hope that developers can use it for making great roms for our phone.
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Wow great news
I hope we see some Development soon
There is a chance for Lineage OS
i cant wait for an official lineage OS for my p2 when it comes i will root immediately.
sam00561 said:
i cant wait for an official lineage OS for my p2 when it comes i will root immediately.
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Same here :good:
Im from asus zenfone 2,the dev over there working hard to make from unofficial build to official.. from cm13 unofficial, then official los 14.. but here,los 13 update seem abit slow..
Great News. Hope some genius got time to make a beast of a custom ROM with overclocking options, kernel tweaks and shtloads of notification sounds. If someone explains a bit I can create our own (vibeui) xda-theme (dark orange) and bootanimations.
Why on earth do you want overclocking!?! It's acceptable if done on lower chips but the marginal overclocked speed boost on highly efficient and powerful SoCs like ours won't give you much other than to show off with benchmark scores.
It has 4Gigs of RAM with an octa core processor with a massive battery... What else do you want in small piece of metal and glass device
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Why on earth do you want overclocking!?! It's acceptable if done on lower chips but the marginal overclocked speed boost on highly efficient and powerful SoCs like ours won't give you much other than to show off with benchmark scores.
It has 4Gigs of RAM with an octa core processor with a massive battery... What else do you want in small piece of metal and glass device
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...higher clocks? (wouldn't be for me, but based on Mr. v. Hattem's post...)
Sad to see the two devs jump ship on this device.
Hope someone will pick it up eventually, the device is too good to let it sit untouched.
Very true.. had it been a mediatek or similar low end device then it's acceptable. But then that's not the case here.
Doesn't Lineage have a request forum for someone to pick up a device to develop like they did with CM Request Forum or they don't do that anymore?
Wmateria said:
Doesn't Lineage have a request forum for someone to pick up a device to develop like they did with CM Request Forum or they don't do that anymore?
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https://wiki.lineageos.org/device_requests.html
Yep, would be nice to see some tweaks for our P2s ! Must say the deodexed official isn't too bad though and Xposed will come to Nougat one day
There are very little things I would actually change on the stock ROM. But I did notice some lags while scrolling every now and then which did show me that the device has potential for some software optimization.
Customizing the actions of the HOME button would be nice (like double-click or reallocate a long press).
Also being able to use a Gamepad as the current ROM has a "sticky keys" problem for some reason.
yes i would like to see this ability to scroll through home and other screens by sliding finger across the home button.